09-03-2012, 09:11 PM
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09-04-2012, 12:58 AM
(09-03-2012, 07:40 PM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-02-2012, 03:55 PM)TheEternal Wrote: The Point is Now, and Now exists everywhere on the Circle. The "line" of the Circle is actually just an illusion of movement within the Point. That being said, the "now" and "then" can be defined only as a relative perspective from the Now. Thus, all at once all geometry exists together, and completely individual. The Circle is a Point Opened. I am doing little more than examining perspectives and concepts. Who knows, I don't know much.
09-04-2012, 01:33 AM
Ritual is a tool. Nothing more or less.
The ritual is a pry bar for your mind. There is nothing that you cant do without a ritual that you can do with one, its aligning oneself to the work needed that is hard part. Robes, funny hats, special names, all of it dross, but for some, that dross triggers a reaction inside of them. Clears away all the unnecessary BS, gets one tapped into Everything. If one can reach a place where you do not need what amounts to mnemonic aid, the ritual is superfluous at best. All of this is not to say that those that use ritual are somehow cobbled by it necessarily. For some its just makes things easier, or is just simply reassuring.
09-04-2012, 09:20 AM
(09-04-2012, 01:33 AM)Goldenratio Wrote: Ritual is a tool. Nothing more or less. What you acknowledge is very much the case. Ritual is a matter of establishing both a particular environment and intent that enhances both the focus and the ability to connect. Much of it is bound to ancient ways that have persisted, and that persistence is more than mere superfluous following. It is as much a means of respect as it is tradition. And a recognition of the many that have connected in this exact way for countless years before. It is not taught from adept to student that the items and respectful adorning is unnecessary, because it is not an issue of necessity in the first place. It is a matter of following methods handed down from adepts and origins from which there was never any need to question necessity of their methods so long as their methods accomplished the goals. If such adorning was just a matter of tradition a student might choose to ask about the necessity. But where it also involves sacred symbolism, enhancement of intent, and a means of showing respect to the higher beings connected with, no student would want to question such things. For instance, if the color of my sash or robe, or a symbol on it, is the favorite color of a higher being with which I have familiarized myself, or some aspect of the ritual is something that such entity specifically asked for in future connections, then whether or not one could make the connection without such adornment is not the priority. Respecting the wishes of the one with which you connect is simple courtesy. I have far too often had associations with adepts which believed themselves to be powerful and commanded respect because of what they thought was power deserving of respect, and that attitude is what they brought to their circle/fields of connection. In my thinking such pompous arrogance only serves to reveal a flaw in one's character which the higher fields will immediately recognize, and there are some that will not respond 'well' to it.
09-04-2012, 10:26 AM
(09-04-2012, 09:20 AM)ShinAr Wrote: ... Indeed. The Creator is the most humble of all.
09-04-2012, 11:24 AM
The humility of Creator is something I can adopt in my life. In those exercises when I see myself as Creator, everything just becomes amazing. It truly will be amazing the day we merge back with Creator.
09-05-2012, 01:58 PM
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(09-02-2012, 10:34 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-01-2012, 06:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Teachings and wisdom of a higher nature should be considered as being passed along from One and only One source, and it is the sole decision of this One source where, when, how and through who or what this information will be made available. Of course, higher inspiration is always passed along through all conduits which listen and are willing to receive and translate what comes from the Creator into any such endeavors they choose, so all beings in essence are guilty of bringing forth manifestations directed by a higher source. What I had meant by guilt and accused all individuals and manifestations of being guilty of is being navigated by a higher source, of having all thoughts and acts and general inspirations as being derived and fed from only One source, and literally everything which has entered our mass illusion is due to the input from this source which we are each then responsible for the quality of output. And while it is true that we share one muse, distortion arises when the lower form creates interference which scrambles the purity of the directed inspiration and would then produce either something entirely different but positively unique and with little loss of the original 'gleam' of the inspiring source in the case of those whose personal intentions as well are pure and positive and thus in alignment with the orientation of the highest muse, or would result in error which detracts from the originally intended truth and pure inspiration in the case where the personal intentions are negatively-oriented, maligned, and egotistical. Taking channeling as a prime example, the quality of the answers fed through the conduit is entirely dependent on the submissiveness and willingess to set aside one's own persona and quell all distortions of the psyche and place absolutely trust and faith in what is guiding without hesitation or doubt. In this way, the initial workings which were intended to come through the individual retain the purity of the concepts. However, when one allows their ego to be the guiding and sustaining factor, the capacity for error or negative inclusions become manifest. When sorting through channeled material it is very easy to discern where there is selflessness and the allowance of undistorted transmissions, and the difference of the material with those instances wherein the ego is taking most of the helm and colors the product with whatever particular biases it holds, be it self-assertion/desire for recognition of superiority, arrogance, or a very deeply concealed negative intention or mentality as some random examples. It would be similar to a priest who in actuality has very perverse beliefs and dark perspectives and intentions. In time, the true colors of the priest would show as indications of his dark flaws would shine through in his sermons which are mere facades of positivity veiling a negative orientation. All truth is inspired by the Creator, and while all error manifests from the Creator in the base sense, the prime benefactor of inspiration for this error is the ego and the ego alone. How may one profess to be of service to others and bring harmony to others if their deepest intentions and most manifest modes of being revolve around the aggrandizement and total empowerment of their self and the hoarding of power and knowledge solely for themselves without the consideration of freely sharing such beneficial information to others who would benefit extraordinarily from such assistance? When one desires to relay truth to others, they would do so as clearly and descriptively as possible so as to provide the basis that the interpretation of the information is situated in the perspective of undistorted truth in order to provide the recipients of the information a vivid understanding and clarified base with which to extract further wisdom and insight from alongside the core knowledge neatly presented to them, rather than speaking vaguely and cryptically, as this is the sign of one who withholds information and savors the meat of empowering information for themselves, while all others who they share it with are met with words which require fumbling to find the gist of and result in the vast possibility of severe misinterpretation and ultimately there is little practical assistance or benefit or clear understanding to be derived from the skewered information. When one receives inspiration from the One source and allows this inspiration to flow uninhibited, not only will one's personal works and endeavors have obvious colorations of this inspiration, but they will be inspired to do as you said, and recount events and circumstances as truthfully and accurately as possible rather than being veiled in deliberately maligning obscurity. Deceit, manipulation, slyness, and arrogance are products of the ego which distorts this inspiration for its own sustenance. Also Shin'Ar, speaking to the topic of ritual, I would actually like to lend credence to what Azrael said regarding that there exist adepts who don't require the use of extensive ritual in order to achieve higher contact or result in magical workings, however I by no means consider myself an adept and I'm somewhat confused as to whether the steps I take prior to 'channeling' would be considered ritual, as I usually regarded ritual as being highly complex or deeply elaborate or having specific intents, although on second thought right as I'm typing this I'm realizing that my 'preparation' does involve certain steps with certain intents that result in something which transcends causality. Would you consider this a "ritual"? I'm not sure what the occult etiquette is with divulging ritual 'secrets' but I personally could care less if I'm not 'supposed' to share these matters, and I wouldn't be against the notion of others re-enacting it, and in fact I would hope that whoever attempts it derives benefit from it: 1) Sit in silence and solitude. 2) Apply Sandwalwood essential oil to pointer finger, rub in lemniscate/infinity symbol/figure eight motion beneath/on nostrils 8 times, begin inhaling deeply through nostrils. 3) Apply Sandwalwood essential oil to pointer finger again, rub over pineal gland area in infinity symbol motion 8 times 4) The most crucial part: exposing self to 432hz frequency, listening to a very specific album in its entirety for invocation. 5) After several moments, ensue automatic writing. *) Throat friction technique may be performed for duration of 'channeling' where the larynx is used as a trigger to stimulate the pineal but is not necessary and should be done only after one has inhaled a sufficient amount of the fragrance of the Sandwalwood. While to an outside perspective this might seem simple, this is the very method which I use when accessing information much deeper within my consciousness and is what accompanies every single response I've created in my channeling thread. The technical explanation for the reasoning behind this ritual is simple: the Sandwalwood oil contains sesquiterpenes which oxygenate the limbic area of the brain and GREATLY stimulates the third eye. The 432hz frequency eases me into a vibrational state and frequency where I am in alignment with the Creator/Creation, and the specific album I use and the inclusion of the infinity motion and the number of times the oil rubbing is performed is meant to further display reverence to the Creator for the service I am performing and to manifest It further within through Its awareness of this 'calling' of mine through these symbolic gestures. In fact, while I've been able to post 'channeled' words just fine before I ever became instructed to perform this, the reason for all this is mainly to increase and refine the quality of the answers and to maximize my ability to bring forth higher-sourced answers. Basically all that I'm doing is stimulating my third eye while exposing it to a tone that puts me on a purer and higher wavelength, and the automatic writing bypasses the workings of my conscious mind and snatches data from my subconscious. So yes, would this be considered a ritual?
09-05-2012, 03:28 PM
Aha Yes, that would be a ritual.
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09-05-2012, 03:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-05-2012, 03:43 PM by godwide_void.)
Ah, that clears it up! Heh, I too have worked just fine from 'simply speaking' without ritual and many of my complex 'regular' writings have arisen from 'simply speaking', but out of my desire to provide others with a significantly higher quality of service, I decide to adopt the ritual for other's sake. Of course, there's nothing wrong with seeking improvement and applying factors that you know would bring out an even better quality in your work than what it normally produces at baseline.
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09-05-2012, 03:47 PM
Absolutely! I could probably examine my actions and find ritual in it, by all means. Once again, however, ritual is but a word, and can be redundant if stretched too wide.
That being said, why do we use the word "ritual"? We could just as well say "act", or "play", or perhaps even dance, as all of these things denote different manners in which the consciousness tunes itself.
09-05-2012, 04:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-05-2012, 04:15 PM by godwide_void.)
I would suppose we're using the word "ritual" to convey to each other the notion of taking certain steps both with certain intents in order to create a set of circumstances or an atmosphere to achieve a particular result based on said intent, and what would characterize it as a "ritual" would be the peculiarity and particularity of the steps involved in that ritual, considering that to an outside perspective the actions performed if the ritual were to be observed would appear disconnected or "pointless", nevertheless it is only to the perception of the individual performing the ritual that awareness of the deeper symbolic meaning behind each step in the ritual and how they come together in one flow to result in conditions that wouldn't arise by any other means, and the routine execution and specificity of performing each step holds extreme significance towards achieving the ultimate purpose of the "ritual" or particular steps performed.
If we were to witness the ceremonial dancing of certain cultures, be it Aztec or Mayan, to us their opting for certain movements and chants in conjunction with the clothes they wear would simply register as a simple dance routine. To them, however, it is entirely possible that the reason they perform certain movements with certain vocalizations together might be that it is their particular way of invoking some force or transmitting their intents or empowering their energy in the ritual, the clothes might be worn to honor their specific higher force, and each following step in the dance works to get them into a trance, and this all culminates into some end goal such as controlling the weather by evoking rainfall or something of the sort. My "ritual" would be much the same in that to an outsider, I just appear to enjoy rubbing oil under my nose and listening to music while I type, and this would appear slightly odd or pointless. Again, what characterizes it as a "ritual" is simply the fact that particular steps are taken with certain intentions to create specific conditions where a unique result arises, and this is all in a ceremonial, magical or sacramental context.
09-05-2012, 04:16 PM
So, in that regard, we can perhaps view ritual as a manifestation of ordering or sequencing, perhaps?
09-05-2012, 04:31 PM
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You could put it that way, or that the execution of specific sequenced actions results in a directed manifestation, although then we could simply call cooking a ritual at that! What would set ritual apart from cooking in the context we're using it in would be that the specific actions employed would serve to work with unseen forces and be accompanied by the standard acknowledgement that the physical may be affected through the spiritual and certain actions in the physical coupled with certain volitions would create a change in the spiritual, which in turn would affect the physical.
09-05-2012, 04:34 PM
You can see the heat itself when you are cooking? :O
09-05-2012, 04:56 PM
Yes, but only when I evoke the spirit of Chef Boyardee.
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09-05-2012, 06:49 PM
Cmon you guys, there aint no spirit of chef boyardee, and there sure as hell aint no ravioli gods.
Now let me tell you about the Lords of the Cheesecake; those evil minions of obesity. I don't know how we managed to take the Ascended ones thread into such a dissection of ritual, but I think Godwide said it best. Ritual, regardless of its degree of complexity or simplicity, is a means to an end whereby either repeating something that was successful once before might result in success again, or where an intent to recognize, honor, or commemorate in some way is performed through a specific guideline. many rituals had no more intention than to acknowledge a specific holy day or seasonal festivity. If one had a very spiritual experience while picking their nose one day, and had the same experience each time they picked their nose in that specific environment, I daresay that nosepicking would be the ritual by which they reach that experience. But let me ask you both, if you had an experience where you interacted with what seemed to you to be a higher being, or at least a being that was not bound to the physical as you are, and that entity specifically told you that each time you followed a very specific ritual which it described to you and required of you in order to reconnect with it again, would you not attempt to meet that criteria, if not for any other reason than to simply see if it could be done again? many invocation rituals are very specific to certain higher beings, and many very intimate connections follow ritual because the entity requests such specifics. Will we refuse to comply to such ritual simply because we think it unnecessary in our mind? I do not think ritual is a matter of what we think, it is a matter of what is asked of us. There may be many things that we can accomplish without ritual. But if specifics are requested, compliance then is simple courtesy and respect.
09-05-2012, 06:58 PM
Ah, but the question is whether or not it is the ritual that causes the connection or the configuration of the consciousness? Ritual is designed to create a configuration, and thus repetition is meant to create memory of the configuration. In any such case there would be a gradual process whereby the individual would less and less need such a long reminder as a ritual and eventually it becomes an instant feeling.
My thought here is that when a ritual is given to someone from a higher being to be repeated for connection, it is for the individual, not because the higher being needs it. That being said, two individuals could connect to the same intelligence with one needing a ritual and the other not, because both would be accessing the same field from a different lens or perspective of consciousness.
09-05-2012, 06:59 PM
09-07-2012, 01:38 PM
09-07-2012, 02:13 PM
(09-07-2012, 01:38 PM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-05-2012, 06:59 PM)Patrick Wrote: Because the Creator is playful. The Creator is, was and always will be playful. ![]()
09-07-2012, 05:04 PM
Hail Eris!
09-08-2012, 08:17 AM
(09-05-2012, 06:58 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Ah, but the question is whether or not it is the ritual that causes the connection or the configuration of the consciousness? Ritual is designed to create a configuration, and thus repetition is meant to create memory of the configuration. In any such case there would be a gradual process whereby the individual would less and less need such a long reminder as a ritual and eventually it becomes an instant feeling. It is obvious that over time the procedures of the ritual will become more easily performed and remembered by the practitioner. If you are saying that once the practitioner reaches such skill that there is no longer a need for the ritual, you are also suggesting that the only reason for the ritual in the first place was to bring the adept to such skill where the connection could be made from memory. And you say that this is to bring the adept to the required vibration for the connection, and that the higher field was never in any need of it. So in your thinking, let's consider the affect of rituals which involve the harmonic alterations of ten people, or a hundred, or an entire village? What about ritual that is meant to enchant rather than connect to higher fields? What you are speaking to Azrael, is a specific ritual concerning the connection between an adept and a higher field of consciousness. In your mind you would make such a connection by the request of the higher field, following the requested specifications, not out of respect or honor, but out of desire to master the skill at which point you would then dictate to the higher field that you no longer require such ritual to connect with it. May I ask you, at this point, would you ask the higher field for such consideration of the connection, or would you simply attempt to make the connection without the usual procedures? Do you see my point here? What you are talking about is establishing authority and imposing your skill where it may or may not be wanted or respected in such deliverance. Can we really connect to a higher field if that field does not want to connect with us? It is not a matter of whether or not the higher field is able, or if the adept is able. It is a matter of courtesy offered by each in recognition and adoration of the Sacred Eye, regardless of skill or evolved status. Many rituals come to humankind from The Ancients and were established, not as a means of connection, but as a means of enchantment, for the purpose of healing and/or nurturing a population and/or environment. In such cases the skill of the priests performing the ritual, and their ability to memorize the ritual, is not the goal, and to intrude upon the goal out of an arrogant pride of authority or developed skill, would not be in the appropriate frame of mind for the true intent. It is here that we find the correction to your thinking. Intent! All true adepts will understand that intent is the true key to effective ritual. And in that intent there should not be the distraction of pride and authority. If true intent is the focus, the goal will be achieved. If the intent is distilled by the desires of the priest for their own development, such will never achieve the degree of intent that would be the hallmark of the true adept. Intent, whether to invoke, or to enchant, involves the complete and intense focus of the adept toward the achieving of the goal. When that focus is interrupted/polluted with distraction of other desire, the proper vibrations will not be achieved. One can demand that someone come to them, and such might come for some reason, but it will not be in the same vibration as one who is asked to come. And THAT is the difference between enchantment and disenchantment. Believe me, I know! (09-05-2012, 06:58 PM)TheEternal Wrote: My thought here is that when a ritual is given to someone from a higher being to be repeated for connection, it is for the individual, not because the higher being needs it. That being said, two individuals could connect to the same intelligence with one needing a ritual and the other not, because both would be accessing the same field from a different lens or perspective of consciousness. Yes, and what do you suppose is the reason why one would require the ritual, while another would not? Do you believe that an adept is the master of the ritual, and success is due to their own skill? How then, is the lesser adept able to also make the connection if he is less skilled? Therefore your very premise denies that it is the skill of performing the ritual that creates the connection. The connection between higher and lower fields of consciousness involves much more than mere ritual or the skill of its practitioners. The Sacred Eye is the Process of Being, which is the natural progression/revelation of the Divine Design. The establishing of the Sacred Eye is as natural as breathing. It does not involve any more skill than breathing does. It is this truth which the true adepts come to realize, which enables them to become powerful conduits of natural energies. Consider the words of Yadda where identity and resulting pride is regarded, "We say to you, you are not anything like you think you are. You are not what you do. You are not nine o’clock, ten o’clock, eleven o’clock, twelve o’clock. You must remove from yourself ideas this kind. Not help you. There is intense seeking in this group to know who you are. Remove from yourself all your clothing, your name, your nationality, your society, your neighborhood, your wife, your kiddies and your golf cart—all gone. Now who are you? We are not taking away from you, we wait for you to add to yourself the Creator. You have heard of the masters. Do you think people become masters because they do not know who they are?" UNQUOTE To presume that such power is the achievement of the skill of the adept is akin to suggesting that the moon is held in its orbit by such skill. It is not; it is the natural energies of the Divine Design at work. The adept simply learns how to channel them. And it is here that we come to understand the true intent of The Ancients and The Ascended Ones. They intend that we learn what they have to teach us, not for the purpose of being acknowledged as adepts, but so that humanity might benefit from that knowledge and wisdom. It is when such teaching becomes twisted to manipulate for the purpose of greed that humanity suffers as a whole. And this is what we see all around the earth to this day. And this is why so many struggle to balance that disharmony with the harmonic frequencies of enchantment, seeking the advice of the Ascended Ones in order to acquire information to that benefit. Much of that information is stored in fields of consciousness which can be accessed through the Sacred Eye, and much is also hidden, for the sake of uncorrupted preservation, within the writings, symbols, rituals and legends of culture around the world. This is what the Ancients have been trying to tell us for thousands of years. http://www.sacredeye.homestead.com
09-08-2012, 08:52 AM
Well, you're the expert~!
![]() Honestly, I don't recall saying anything about "skill"... Also, would we say then that it takes no skill for an adept to "channel"? Then we are all perfected adepts!
09-08-2012, 12:05 PM
(09-08-2012, 08:52 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Well, you're the expert~! You are beginning to understand now. Except that I would instead say that we are all adepts naturally becoming adept.
09-08-2012, 07:16 PM
Shin'Ar, consider lightening up
![]() We are not the trash of the universe, we are capable of coming up with our own ideas. Yeah, the ancients. Those ancient fields. Dem knowledge. Dem wisdom. We will just do fine, even if majority of our Earth ignores that. Just as any 3d veiled planet after ours will ignore anything that we might happen to record as "Ancient Teaching". Do not worry about that. We are not eternal beings of Love to follow ancient teachings, we are eternal beings of love to rediscover things that seemed impossible before.
09-08-2012, 07:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2012, 08:04 PM by godwide_void.)
(09-05-2012, 06:49 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Cmon you guys, there aint no spirit of chef boyardee, and there sure as hell aint no ravioli gods. Ah, but little did you know that the Cheesecake Lords were appointed to their profound positions as pastry gods by the supreme Chef and his Ravioli Council, and it is THEY who devised this 'Ancient Wisdom' you now speak of, my friend. ![]() Quote:I don't know how we managed to take the Ascended ones thread into such a dissection of ritual, but I think Godwide said it best. I am inclined to agree here that if one were to discover that by following a specific sequence of steps or a general set of actions that resulted in a certain variety of experience then the individual would inevitably adopt those actions and categorize the total set of actions as a particular designated methodology to reach that same result, and thus would a 'ritual' arises. Quote:But let me ask you both, In this scenario, if certain requirements were bestowed upon me by such a being and they were designated as the directions that were necessary to follow to invoke/evoke this being, and these directions manifested with the accompanying consideration that there were no alternatives to these directions nor was it optional if I intended to open lines of communication with this being, then I daresay that I would strive to meet that criteria in order to achieve the same results which the prior execution of those actions brought upon. Of course, I would also attempt to verify if any improvements could be made to this criteria or if there were in fact any alternative methods that could be implemented to achieve these ends, but in the case that no other route could manifest the same results, and only the application of this specific set of actions could accomplish that, then that is what I would inevitably have to adhere to. Quote:many invocation rituals are very specific to certain higher beings, and many very intimate connections follow ritual because the entity requests such specifics. If one were directly transmitted certain knowledge from a source intuited as higher or in possession of information far surpassing what a mere human possesses, and certain instructions were telepathically or symbolically relayed or via any other venue of communication which it used to establish contact with you, then it would be foolish to assume that its instructions are bunk, unnecessary or pointless. If one would not have the courtesy to uphold such a spiritual request or command, then it would be safe to say that the chances for once again establishing clear communication would not come to pass unless one decided to follow through on the specific instructions given which led to such communication in the first place. It seems to me to that assuming that one could simply skip ahead to powerful acts and bypass any of the steps needed to result in such actions would be akin to saying that one could digest food in the stomach without undergoing the process of preparing the food, holding it, placing it to one's mouth, chewing it, and essentially eating the food. Perhaps there exist simpler methods to achieve a result, and in the case of powerful adepts, they may possess certain understanding which allows them to have refined a certain set of actions down to its bare minimum but with having replaced 'unnecessary' steps with actions that accomplish more, or discover more efficient alternatives in their own rituals, and this hypothesis is made with the assumption that the ritual in question is a creation of the individual and not a specific set of instructions handed down by a guide or force perceived as external from oneself, in which case, as stated before, it would be foolish to try to pinpoint some substitution methods for specific directions given, but the fact still remains that to say one does not require ritual to achieve a result is exactly synonymous with saying that one does not need to follow any steps to achieve an action. Would this post have been made without my executing the ritual of typing it?
09-08-2012, 09:40 PM
![]() I will say that everything is gates... opening, and closing...
09-09-2012, 07:44 AM
(09-08-2012, 07:16 PM)Oldern Wrote: Shin'Ar, consider lightening up My friend I do not understand why you say 'lighten up' as though there is a problem with my use of ancient teaching as the premise for my understanding. If you, or others have a problem with that for some reason, I suggest that it is you that need to lighten your burdens. For if you deny me the choice to use ancient wisdom to manage my understandings, then you also have no right to employ whatever options that you might use to manage your own. I think you realize this Oldern, and I do not take offense to your remark. i am just pointing out that there is a reason for your taking offense and you should try to understand why that is. godwide_void Wrote:Ah, but little did you know that the Cheesecake Lords were appointed to their profound positions as pastry gods by the supreme Chef and his Ravioli Council, and it is THEY who devised this 'Ancient Wisdom' you now speak of, my friend. What is that term that Sheldon uses? Kablam? if you had an experience where you interacted with what seemed to you to be a higher being, or at least a being that was not bound to the physical as you are, and that entity specifically told you that each time you followed a very specific ritual which it described to you and required of you in order to reconnect with it again, would you not attempt to meet that criteria, if not for any other reason than to simply see if it could be done again? (09-08-2012, 07:54 PM)godwide_void Wrote: ... Of course, I would also attempt to verify if any improvements could be made to this criteria or if there were in fact any alternative methods that could be implemented to achieve these ends, but in the case that no other route could manifest the same results, and only the application of this specific set of actions could accomplish that, then that is what I would inevitably have to adhere to. But would that not be implying that the higher field did not already consider the efficient aspects of the connection, or that the connection is not already as efficiently established as it could be? Or that you know of a 'better way' to establish such connection. Is there not a certain arrogance implied in suggesting that a different means of establishing the connection would provide a better experience if the sharing? And does that not also suggest that there is also a certain arrogance/authority on the part of the higher being when it establishes a procedure? I cannot consider such as arrogance because the very nature of sharing is not arrogance, so it must have to do with authority. so what would give it that authority? To that my answer is experience and higher understanding, which is what we seek in the first place, is it not? If we seek higher information from these connections, why would we then attempt to establish our understanding as the authority between the two by questioning the methods of the higher? (09-08-2012, 07:54 PM)godwide_void Wrote: If one were directly transmitted certain knowledge from a source intuited as higher or in possession of information far surpassing what a mere human possesses, and certain instructions were telepathically or symbolically relayed or via any other venue of communication which it used to establish contact with you, then it would be foolish to assume that its instructions are bunk, unnecessary or pointless. If one would not have the courtesy to uphold such a spiritual request or command, then it would be safe to say that the chances for once again establishing clear communication would not come to pass unless one decided to follow through on the specific instructions given which led to such communication in the first place. Once again you answer my questions as though you had read my mind even before I had made the question. I should learn from past mistakes when responding to these posts piece by piece,lol. Your reply is perfect. Exactly as I knew you would state it. in fact, in the structure of reconfiguring these posts to place all the quote marks in their proper places, I lose track of whose words are whose. Sometimes I cannot tell you from I. Azreal and Lynn will love to hear that.
09-09-2012, 01:45 PM
This is all so very amusing, it's great to watch you guys.
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