Random Ra Material Questions
12-19-2014, 07:07 PM,
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(12-19-2014, 07:41 AM)andreazzi Wrote:  I am really dedicated to the understandig of this critical concept of space/time and time/space. This is the most direct question Don asks about this concept that I could find in the material, but Ra clearly uses Don's concept of Inner planes to explain it, but it doesn't mean much to me...

There is this portion:

Quote:71.6 ↥ Questioner: As an entity goes through the death process in third density and finds itself in time/space, it finds itself in a different set of circumstances. Would you please describe the properties or circumstances of time/space and then the process of healing of incarnative experiences that some entities encounter?

Ra: I am Ra. Although this query is difficult to answer adequately due to the limitations of your space/time sound vibration complexes, we shall respond to the best of our ability.

The hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. In your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. In time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. This property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense. In your framework each particle or core vibration moves at a velocity which approaches what you call the speed of light from the direction of supraluminal velocities.

Thus the time/space or metaphysical experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. In these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation.

The extreme fluidity of these regions makes it possible for much to be penetrated which must needs be absorbed before the process of healing of an entity may be accomplished. Each entity is located in a somewhat immobile state much as you are located in space/time in a somewhat immobile state in time. In this immobile space the entity has been placed by the form-maker and higher self so that it may be in the proper configuration for learn/teaching that which it has received in the space/time incarnation.

Depending upon this time/space locus there will be certain helpers which assist in this healing process. The process involves seeing in full the experience, seeing it against the backdrop of the mind/body/spirit complex total experience, forgiving the self for all missteps as regards the missed guideposts during the incarnation and, finally, the careful assessment of the next necessities for learning. This is done entirely by the higher self until an entity has become conscious in space/time of the process and means of spiritual evolution at which time the entity will consciously take part in all decisions.

Inner Planes

Basically, when they say "inner planes" they mean that literally. The planes are within you. So when you dream at night, and your consciousness withdraws from this physical world, you are perceiving inner planes. Dreams take place in time/space.

All planes of existence are merely focuses of attention -- even the physical world, which, is the most "outer" plane of them all, to my understanding.

Now, what makes something "outer" or "inner"? The distinction is created by the "self" or "ego". The self is the line, barrier, or demarcation between "where we are" and "who we are". It creates the distinction between inner and outer. Wherever your consciousness focuses creates an inner projection and an outer projection. The inner projection is "mind", the outer projection we call "matter" or "body".

So if you astral project, you moved out of phase with the physical plane (stepped back as it were), and what is "inner" and "outer" has now changed. If you are on the middle astral, the lower astral is now "outer" to you, and the higher astral is still "inner" to you. The "outer" is your body now (an ethereal time/space thoughtform body).

When Ra uses phrases like "space/time" and "time/space", they are indicating an orientation towards one side, or the other, of a specified continuum of experience. So "space/time" means "orientation towards space", and "time/space" means "orientation towards time".

For the most part, 3-dimensional space is understood. You can understand the tangible framework world of up/down, left/right, and forward/back. Those are your tangible dimensional expressions. But when we get into the concept of time, which is a fourth dimensional construct, it becomes a little more nebulous to most people. You move into a realm of nonlocality. This is why it becomes more intangible.

One important concept to grasp about space/time and time/space is there are vast areas on that continuum between "purely polarized toward space" and "purely polarized towards time". And in fact, it this factor precisely, which is why there are different planes of existence.

The more you are polarized towards space/time, the more tangible the illusion becomes, the more polarized you are towards time/space, the more intangible the illusion becomes.

The planes closest to the red ray physical energies, while not "physical in the strictest sense of the word" are still highly oriented toward space/time, and are still very much tangible. So the astral planes, for example, still comprise "form" and can be tangibly experienced. That is why, for example, your dreams resemble your physical life (among other, more obvious reasons). When you die, and are occupying your attention on the "astral planes", it is similar to being in a very conscious lucid dream. The reality very much resembles your physical reality, but it is much more malleable than physical energies.

If you go higher up in the planes (which are even more "inner" and more "pure time/space energies", you begin to leave tangible reality behind altogether. It becomes more of a conceptual, and purely mental experience. Even higher still it just becomes pure consciousness or beingness.

Anyways, I hope this helps your understanding Andreazzi. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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01-06-2015, 06:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-06-2015, 06:16 PM by Steppingfeet.)
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(10-08-2014, 12:42 PM)andreazzi Wrote:  Anyone able to explain this contradiction on the Orion group densities?

7.15: "...There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization..."

48.6: "...There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves."


(10-08-2014, 11:14 AM)anagogy Wrote:  Two possibilities as I see it.

The first one is that Ra was actually talking about negative polarity in general in the first quote you shared, and the second one was talking about the Orion Empire specifically.

The other possibility is that they actually meant to say "sixth density" in the last quote you shared.

In other words, transmission error.


(10-08-2014, 10:25 AM)andreazzi Wrote:  Oh! NOW, I see it! Look at the full 7.15 answer again:

"Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization."

Ra was refering to the negative mass consciousnesses which opposes the Confederation, in this part of the Galaxy, and which comprises the Orion Group. In other words, my mistake!

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Hey Daniel, I am having a conversation with László, the Hungarian translator, on the discrepancy between 7.15 and 48.6.

I found your question above. How did you arrive at the conclusion that you were mistaken?

As far as I can tell, it does indeed seem to be a glaring inconsistency. In both quotes Ra is talking about membership in the Orion Empire according to density of origin.

7.15: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=7.15
48.6: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=48.6

Like Anagogy, I suspect it was a transmission error: a misidentification of density.

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01-06-2015, 10:35 PM,
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It seems to me after some reading that in the first quote, Ra is speaking of the negative polarity in general, and in the second, more specifically the Orion Empire.

In my words, there are a similar number of fourth density negative social memory complexes as there are fifth density social memory complexes in total, but there aren't many 5th density negative complexes that interact with the "Orion Empire", an empire a being a structured hierarchy always looking for more other selves to conquer. The 5th density negative is working on conquering itself.

Quote:In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.


Same reason that 5th density positive doesn't have as many Wanderers as 4th and 6th. ^
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01-07-2015, 11:30 AM,
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(01-06-2015, 10:35 PM)Jade Wrote:  It seems to me after some reading that in the first quote, Ra is speaking of the negative polarity in general, and in the second, more specifically the Orion Empire.

In my words, there are a similar number of fourth density negative social memory complexes as there are fifth density social memory complexes in total, but there aren't many 5th density negative complexes that interact with the "Orion Empire", an empire a being a structured hierarchy always looking for more other selves to conquer. The 5th density negative is working on conquering itself.


Quote:In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.


Same reason that 5th density positive doesn't have as many Wanderers as 4th and 6th. ^


Jade: "It seems to me after some reading that in the first quote, Ra is speaking of the negative polarity in general, and in the second, more specifically the Orion Empire."

How did you get "negative polarity in general", though, from 7.15?

Ra indicates twice that they are speaking specifically and strictly about membership in the Orion organization:

7.15: "Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization."


Jade: "The 5th density negative is working on conquering itself." and "Same reason that 5th density positive doesn't have as many Wanderers as 4th and 6th. ^"

That's a great and helpful point. And is in keeping with 48.6, but points to the possibility of error in 7.15.

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01-07-2015, 11:43 AM,
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Tangential, but I had always thought that there were more fifth-density wanderers than fourth, based on this quote:

Quote:12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.
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01-07-2015, 12:04 PM,
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(01-07-2015, 11:30 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  
(01-06-2015, 10:35 PM)Jade Wrote:  It seems to me after some reading that in the first quote, Ra is speaking of the negative polarity in general, and in the second, more specifically the Orion Empire.

In my words, there are a similar number of fourth density negative social memory complexes as there are fifth density social memory complexes in total, but there aren't many 5th density negative complexes that interact with the "Orion Empire", an empire a being a structured hierarchy always looking for more other selves to conquer. The 5th density negative is working on conquering itself.




Quote:In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.


Same reason that 5th density positive doesn't have as many Wanderers as 4th and 6th. ^


Jade: "It seems to me after some reading that in the first quote, Ra is speaking of the negative polarity in general, and in the second, more specifically the Orion Empire."

How did you get "negative polarity in general", though, from 7.15?

Ra indicates twice that they are speaking specifically and strictly about membership in the Orion organization:

7.15: "Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization."

I suppose it was inference... in session 7 the gang was still exploring early concepts and it's possible Orion was congruent with negative entities, until they started to delve a bit deeper. The other inference is that maybe there are an almost equivalent amount of 4D Orion social memory complexes as there are (EARLY) 5D? Maybe it takes a bit of gathering the wisdom levels before a 5D entity resigns from the Orion group.

Quote:Tangential, but I had always thought that there were more fifth-density wanderers than fourth, based on this quote:




Quote: Wrote:12.28 Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

Interesting, I can sort of see where you would get that.... I suppose maybe my inference that there were more 4th than 5th density Wanderers could be wrong, but I always got the impression that 5D kinda sat out of the incarnating game for the most part - as this is not the density of understanding, and 5th D is all about accumulating wisdom.
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01-07-2015, 04:41 PM,
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(01-07-2015, 12:04 PM)Jade Wrote:  Interesting, I can sort of see where you would get that.... I suppose maybe my inference that there were more 4th than 5th density Wanderers could be wrong, but I always got the impression that 5D kinda sat out of the incarnating game for the most part - as this is not the density of understanding, and 5th D is all about accumulating wisdom.

I can see where you're coming from, too. "Foolhardiness or bravery" seems like more of a 4D attribute than a 5D one.
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01-07-2015, 06:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2015, 06:30 PM by Steppingfeet.)
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Quote:7.15: "Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization."

I suppose it was inference... in session 7 the gang was still exploring early concepts and it's possible Orion was congruent with negative entities, until they started to delve a bit deeper. The other inference is that maybe there are an almost equivalent amount of 4D Orion social memory complexes as there are (EARLY) 5D? Maybe it takes a bit of gathering the wisdom levels before a 5D entity resigns from the Orion group.

About your first inference, I could be solidly mistaken, but I don't think Ra uses Orion synonymously with the general negative polarity. In this particular quote, they say "this organization" in reference to the "group".

About the second inference, early fifth density would make sense; though it is only as an absolute last resort, when the need is dire, and when it is clear beyond all doubt that one can even begin to consider inserting a word not already explicitly articulated by Ra. And even then, it must go before the Council* for approval, a lengthy process, as you might imagine.

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01-08-2015, 01:09 PM,
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Hmm, maybe to figure it out more, we need to think of what the term "Orion (Group/Empire)" means.

When I've read the books, I take a more generalized approach to the word when Ra uses it as an example for the negative polarity. Like this sentence in 7.15, after the sentence in question:

Quote:Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes.

I have almost exclusively interpreted that to mean that there is 1/10th the number of negative polarity than positive polarity, IN GENERAL, due to the problem of spiritual entropy.

Now, I concede I could be totally wrong, and that Ra is talking about much more localized numbers having to do with us and the surrounding Logoi, and with very specific group associations. In fact, this makes more sense. However it is very much implied that anything outside of the Confederation and Orion Group is probably pretty fringe (in this Octave/this local sphere). It's also hard to shake the fact that Ra was the one who originally named the Orion group as an example of the negative polarity, then relating it to Hitler, to explain the dichotomy to Don. This happened just earlier in 7.12:

Quote:7.12 Questioner: I am interested in the application of the Law of One as it pertains to free will and what I would call the advertising done by UFO contact with the planet. That is, the Council has allowed the quarantine to be lifted many times over the past thirty years. This seems to me to be a form of advertising for what we are doing right now, so that more people will be awakened. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It will take a certain amount of untangling of conceptualization of your mental complex to reform your query into an appropriate response. Please bear with us.

The Council of Saturn has not allowed the breaking of quarantine in the time/space continuum you mentioned. There is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your peoples. Some are of the entities known to you as the group of Orion.

Secondly, there is permission granted, not to break quarantine by dwelling among you, but to appear in thought-form capacity for those who have eyes to see.

Thirdly, you are correct in assuming that permission was granted at the time/space in which your first nuclear device was developed and used for Confederation members to minister unto your peoples in such a way as to cause mystery to occur. This is what you mean by advertising and is correct. The mystery and unknown quality of the occurrences we are allowed to offer have the hoped-for intention of making your peoples aware of infinite possibility. When your peoples grasp infinity, then and only then, can the gateway be opened to the Law of One.

7.13 Questioner: You mentioned both our people and those of Orion coming here. Can you expand on that?

Ra: I am Ra. Your thought complexes did not match your vibratory sound complexes. We are unable to respond. Please restate your query.

7.14 Questioner: I’ll just ask about Orion. You mentioned Orion as a source of some of the contacts of UFOs. Can you tell me something of that contact, its purpose?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, a simple example of intentions which are bad/good. This example is Adolf. This is your vibratory sound complex. The intention is to presumably unify by choosing the distortion complex called elite from a social memory complex and then enslaving, by various effects, those who are seen as the distortion of not-elite. There is then the concept of taking the social memory complex thus weeded and adding it to a distortion thought of by the so-called Orion group as an empire. The problem facing them is that they face a great deal of random energy released by the concept of separation. This causes them to be vulnerable as the distortions amongst their own members are not harmonized.

Still, it could just be a transmission error, which seems most likely, as Ra is terrible with numbers. As I just saw in a signature -

Quote:As far as we are aware we are in an infinite creation. There is no counting.
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01-08-2015, 04:12 PM,
RE: Random Ra Material Questions
I've considered that the 1/10th statement is in relation to this.. "We have opened our hearts in radiation of love to the entire creation. Approximately 90 percent of the creation is at some level aware of the sending and able to reply."

The negative polarity would make up the 10% that isn't able to respond due to the symbolic communication barrier.
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01-08-2015, 11:49 PM,
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Quote:Consider, if you will, a simple example of intentions which are bad/good.

I find it fascinating that by sixth density the unity of all dualities and opposites is so apparent that Adolf's intentions are described as "bad/good", presumably in contrast to "good/bad" intentions of, say, Mother Teresa.
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01-09-2015, 03:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-09-2015, 04:13 PM by Diana.)
RE: Random Ra Material Questions
(01-08-2015, 11:49 PM)Stranger Wrote:  
Quote:Consider, if you will, a simple example of intentions which are bad/good.

I find it fascinating that by sixth density the unity of all dualities and opposites is so apparent that Adolf's intentions are described as "bad/good", presumably in contrast to "good/bad" intentions of, say, Mother Teresa.

This may be a derailment, but Mother Teresa's intentions are certainly in question, if one has actually looked at her doings here. Marketing has made her into a saint. Some of her acts were reprehensible (like schmoozing the Haitian Devaliers and her Catholic nun thinking that poverty and suffering are good and applying that to the dying, while the vatican holds untold wealth it doesn't share with the starving of the world).
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01-09-2015, 04:30 PM,
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Here is a 20 minute vid on Mother Teresa. The narrater speaks in hyperbole but the author, Christopher Hitchens, was (now passed) a very serious political writer (the well spoken guy in the blue shirt), who researched her life.
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01-09-2015, 09:08 PM,
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Diana, thank you for bringing that to my intention about Mother Teresa. I wasn't aware of this alternate viewpoint of her work.

Up until now, I had thought that Ra was referring to Mother Teresa in this Q/A:

Quote:22.15 Questioner: Were any of these entities names that we know from our historical past? That have appeared as incarnated beings we find in our history?
Ra: I am Ra. The one known as sound vibration complex, Saint Augustine, is of such a nature. The one known as Saint Teresa of such a nature. The one known as Saint Francis of Assisi of such nature. These entities, being of monastic background, as you would call it, found incarnation in the same type of ambiance appropriate for further learning.

However having just done some quick research, Mother Teresa had never been declared a saint. Instead, it appears that Ra is referring to Teresa of Ávila, aka Saint Teresa of Jesus (28 March 1515–4 October 1582).

I don't claim anyone in this thread made this mistake, but it was a misunderstanding that I held which perhaps may be cleared up for others as well.
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01-13-2015, 02:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-13-2015, 03:06 AM by geomatria. Edit Reason: Added summary sentence. )
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(01-06-2015, 06:14 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  As far as I can tell, it does indeed seem to be a glaring inconsistency. In both quotes Ra is talking about membership in the Orion Empire according to density of origin.

7.15: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=7.15
48.6: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=48.6

I agree with you that Ra appears to be talking about Orion membership in both cases, rather than just the negative polarity.

Consider the possibility that in 7.15, Ra is counting social memory complexes, but in 48.6 Ra is counting individual mind/body/spirit complexes, and that the size of the Orion 5th density social memory complexes are on average much smaller than for 4th density.

Here are some actual numbers that are just pulled out of the air that may be off of the real values by many orders of magnitude, but may help illustrate this point. The Orion group includes, for example:
  • 1,000 4th density negative social memory complexes.
    Each 4th density negative social memory complex contains 3,000,000 mind/body/spirit complexes.
  • 1,000 5th density negative social memory complexes.
    Each 5th density negative social memory complex contains 30 mind/body/spirit complexes.
Thus in 7.15 when Ra says that there are "a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization" they are referring to social memory complexes as the "entities" (just as Ra is an entity even though Ra is a social memory complex). In 48.6 when Ra says "There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members" this is also accurate, since for every 100,000 4th density negative mind/body/spirit complexes in the Orion group, there is only 1 5th density negative mind/body/spirit complex, according to the above contrived example.

In other words, within the Orion group, there are large numbers of both 4th and 5th density social memory complexes, but the size of each 5th density social memory complex is on average much smaller than for 4th density.
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01-13-2015, 05:06 AM,
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(01-09-2015, 04:30 PM)Diana Wrote:  


Here is a 20 minute vid on Mother Teresa. The narrater speaks in hyperbole but the author, Christopher Hitchens, was (now passed) a very serious political writer (the well spoken guy in the blue shirt), who researched her life.

but he deafanatly can't spell to save his shirt!
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01-13-2015, 05:45 PM,
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(01-13-2015, 05:06 AM)Bluebell Wrote:  
(01-09-2015, 04:30 PM)Diana Wrote:  Here is a 20 minute vid on Mother Teresa. The narrater speaks in hyperbole but the author, Christopher Hitchens, was (now passed) a very serious political writer (the well spoken guy in the blue shirt), who researched her life.

but he deafanatly can't spell to save his shirt!

Ha! True. But it was the person who posted it—not Christopher Hitchens, who was a brilliant writer and speaker. His editor at Vanity Fair had to continually ask him to dumb down his articles because of his incredible vocabulary. Tongue
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01-13-2015, 06:15 PM,
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(01-08-2015, 01:09 PM)Jade Wrote:  When I've read the books, I take a more generalized approach to the word when Ra uses it as an example for the negative polarity. Like this sentence in 7.15, after the sentence in question:

Quote:Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes.

I have almost exclusively interpreted that to mean that there is 1/10th the number of negative polarity than positive polarity, IN GENERAL, due to the problem of spiritual entropy.

As that the 1/10th statement comes immediately on the heels of talking about the Orion Empire, I interpret the 10% to be a measure of the Orion group relative to the Confederation's numbers. Which for me is psychologically encouraging. : ) Especially in light of the fact that other... sectors of the infinite universe might have a very different ratio.



(01-13-2015, 02:54 AM)geomatria Wrote:  
(01-06-2015, 06:14 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  As far as I can tell, it does indeed seem to be a glaring inconsistency. In both quotes Ra is talking about membership in the Orion Empire according to density of origin.

7.15: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=7.15
48.6: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=48.6

I agree with you that Ra appears to be talking about Orion membership in both cases, rather than just the negative polarity.

Consider the possibility that in 7.15, Ra is counting social memory complexes, but in 48.6 Ra is counting individual mind/body/spirit complexes, and that the size of the Orion 5th density social memory complexes are on average much smaller than for 4th density.

Here are some actual numbers that are just pulled out of the air that may be off of the real values by many orders of magnitude, but may help illustrate this point. The Orion group includes, for example:

  • 1,000 4th density negative social memory complexes.
    Each 4th density negative social memory complex contains 3,000,000 mind/body/spirit complexes.
  • 1,000 5th density negative social memory complexes.
    Each 5th density negative social memory complex contains 30 mind/body/spirit complexes.
Thus in 7.15 when Ra says that there are "a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization" they are referring to social memory complexes as the "entities" (just as Ra is an entity even though Ra is a social memory complex). In 48.6 when Ra says "There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members" this is also accurate, since for every 100,000 4th density negative mind/body/spirit complexes in the Orion group, there is only 1 5th density negative mind/body/spirit complex, according to the above contrived example.

In other words, within the Orion group, there are large numbers of both 4th and 5th density social memory complexes, but the size of each 5th density social memory complex is on average much smaller than for 4th density.

That's the closest yet I've seen to a bona fide solution to the inconsistency without writing it up as "transmission error", or "social memory complex brain fart". Thanks, Geomatria!

I don't know that that can be conclusively determined, though. The statement you propose may be speaking about individuals within a social memory complex (48.6: "There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members"), could just as well be using the term "members" for social memory complex. That's the direction I would lean, but you could be hitting the head on the nail.

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01-13-2015, 10:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2015, 12:25 AM by Stranger.)
RE: Random Ra Material Questions
Christopher Hitchens and Penn & Teller have one thing in common: their absolute hatred of all religion, and their disdain for the stupidity and naivete of those who believe anything other than the materialist mythology we're fed by society. They see themselves as knights in shining armor, saving mankind from a social disease (religion) that somehow got held over from the dark ages and is continuing to poison humankind. You could not have found a more biased source.

I don't think Mother Teresa or any other human was perfect, and yes it's unfortunate that according to dominant Christian doctrine, the most important benefit you can bring to someone is to convert them, thereby saving their soul for eternity. It seems that she may have thought, as do many missionaries today, that there is no service more essential that you can render to someone than to convert them. But I don't see anything in that entire invective that suggests her intentions, from within her frame of understanding of this illusion, were anything other than pure. The video doesn't reflect quite as well on its authors, however. I suppose it's kind of humorous that they all think they are doing a wonderful service for mankind.
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01-14-2015, 03:43 AM,
RE: Random Ra Material Questions
What if Ra meant fifth density social memory complexes this sentence:

"There are very, very few fifth-density [social memory complexes] Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves."

Since Ra is saying that negative fifth density do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves, then it must logically mean that they are very, very few fifth density social memory complexes, and that they are being more for themselves, alone. Not in a group. But that the number of fifth density entities or individuals are as large as fourth density entities or individuals?
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01-14-2015, 05:14 AM,
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they're all ignoring each other in peace.
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01-14-2015, 05:15 AM,
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i think it means they're not taking part in group activities.
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01-21-2015, 03:50 PM,
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(01-14-2015, 03:43 AM)Ankh Wrote:  What if Ra meant fifth density social memory complexes this sentence:

"There are very, very few fifth-density [social memory complexes] Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves."

Since Ra is saying that negative fifth density do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves, then it must logically mean that they are very, very few fifth density social memory complexes, and that they are being more for themselves, alone. Not in a group. But that the number of fifth density entities or individuals are as large as fourth density entities or individuals?

Ankh, I think this is a plausible and good solution as well. Thanks for this!

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01-22-2015, 01:45 PM,
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(01-13-2015, 10:17 PM)Stranger Wrote:  Christopher Hitchens and Penn & Teller have one thing in common: their absolute hatred of all religion, and their disdain for the stupidity and naivete of those who believe anything other than the materialist mythology we're fed by society.  They see themselves as knights in shining armor, saving mankind from a social disease (religion) that somehow got held over from the dark ages and is continuing to poison humankind.  You could not have found a more biased source.

I must come to the defense a bit for Christopher Hitchens. While there are many who show hatred and poke fun in very mean ways at religions (such as Bill Moyer), Hitchens, while speaking his truth, was always fair. He did not stoop to making fun of religion so much as point out the reasons why it does not serve humankind and why it is absurd. He also spent 2 years traveling the country and inviting any religious persons to his debates, which were always conducted fairly.

And, we are fed religion more than materialist "mythology." We have to be force-fed religion because it makes no sense whatsoever and it keeps the masses under control with fear (in my opinion). If one is of a scientific bent, and thinks for themselves, and requires evidence or direct experience rather than "taking things on faith" or someone else's word or experience, then what is wrong with looking at the facts? Even a cursory look into the bible, for instance (I have read the whole book), reveals endless atrocities and contradictions. Just read the ten commandments (specifically, thou shalt not kill), and then read the couple of pages after that qualifying when it is mandatory to kill (such as if a son talks back to his parents, he must be stoned to death).

I feel Hitchen's did a service to humankind by attempting to get people to wake up and think for themselves. He wasn't converting anyone as religious people do by proselytizing to those who are down and bribing with food and shelter and a heavenly afterlife. He wasn't asking anyone to follow him. And he didn't threaten that if someone didn't agree with him they would burn in hell forever or some other nonsense. 

In the matter of Mother Teresa, Hitchens was a political writer who traveled the world and reported on what he found.
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03-18-2015, 01:43 PM,
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(01-06-2015, 06:14 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:  Hey Daniel, I am having a conversation with László, the Hungarian translator, on the discrepancy between 7.15 and 48.6.

I found your question above. How did you arrive at the conclusion that you were mistaken?

As far as I can tell, it does indeed seem to be a glaring inconsistency. In both quotes Ra is talking about membership in the Orion Empire according to density of origin.

7.15: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=7.15
48.6: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=48.6

Like Anagogy, I suspect it was a transmission error: a misidentification of density.

Sorry for this long delay, Gary! Smile

As I understood it, and I may be wrong, the Orion Empire is part of some other larger organization, just as Ra is part of the Confederation, as Ra said: "Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied." That is, the Orion group is comprised by this 'mass consciousnesses'. Apparently, Don asks about the densities of the Orion group and Ra answers considering not only that group, but the mass consciousnesses of which it is part.
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03-18-2015, 01:53 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-18-2015, 01:55 PM by andreazzi.)
RE: Random Ra Material Questions
I got lost in this. It is very very weird:

Quote:68.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?

Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.

How could that be? The entity would reverse polarity by some kind of kidnapping? 
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03-18-2015, 02:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-18-2015, 02:36 PM by APeacefulWarrior.)
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(03-18-2015, 01:53 PM)andreazzi Wrote:  How could that be? The entity would reverse polarity by some kind of kidnapping? 

If you read on, Ra explains further.  But yeah, that seems to be the gist.  If I'm reading it right, Ra's saying a 5D-neg tried to pretty much rip the spirit of the channeller away from its body and cast it into a dark realm where it can learn about the negative path for awhile.  Which would be a 5D-neg's idea of being useful.

On the plus side, this is some serious high-level stuff he's talking about.  If you read on, it's pretty clear this could only happen to someone who was already highly-energized and (likely) investigating magic and such.  So it doesn't sound like it could happen in peoples' random personal meditations or such.

Also, from further down, I love how succinct Ra can be sometimes.

Quote:68.17 Questioner: I am interested in how the first distortion applies to the negatively polarized entity misplacing the mind/body/spirit complex. Why is the negatively polarized entity followed to the place of negative time/space? Why would one of us freely follow the entity?
Ra: I am Ra. The positive polarity sees love in all things. The negative polarity is clever.

Time will tell.  It always does.
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03-18-2015, 02:37 PM,
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i don't wana turn into a gullible moron. sinkhole of indifference isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
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03-18-2015, 04:40 PM,
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(03-18-2015, 01:53 PM)andreazzi Wrote:  I got lost in this. It is very very weird:



Quote:68.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?

Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.

How could that be? The entity would reverse polarity by some kind of kidnapping? 

I have my own interpretations of this portion of the Ra material, based on my understanding and experiences with time/space, and in my opinion, Ra left out a bit of explanation here.

What I sincerely believe Ra meant to communicate is that the 5th density negative orion being was going to lure her away into negative time/space (which, to my personal understanding can only occur if your mind is turned to the negative).  This can happen for brief periods of time, afterall, we all occasionally, and sometimes frequently, find our minds drifting to darker subjects from time to time.  What would then happen is a kind of "brain washing".  To understand what I mean by "brain washing", I want you to picture the kind of charismatic charlatans that exist on our physical plane and who, furthermore, are masters of their craft, and who skillfully rob people blind by luring them into a false sense of security, and misdirecting attention until they have realized their self service agenda.  

Now, imagine those same qualities but refined to a magically precise edge (a fifth density level of wisdom, if you will).  The power of falsity is most great at this level of vibration.  

If this brainwashing were successful, she would have, in effect, changed polarity, thus becoming a more or less permanent resident of negative time/space.  Thus, the next incarnation would, by of free choice, be a space/time of equivalent negative vibration/polarity distortions.

Please let me know if I may clarify further.

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03-19-2015, 04:06 AM,
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You know, this suddenly leads me to an interesting question on the topic. Does anyone know if Ra has addressed it?

More or less, could a 5D- or 6D-negative entity deliberately LIE about its orientation, or otherwise conceal its true nature?

Time will tell.  It always does.
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