Biased view of STS...and INFINITY
02-25-2009, 02:24 PM,
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RE: Biased view of STS
Quote:So, Chaotikmind, a question for you: what takes place in your prayers? What are the objects and intentions of your prayers? If other selves factor into your praying, what do you pray for them?

Well i guess i have to take prayers in a VERY broad sense (i'm not using what people usually call prayers), When i need something i use visualization to get it, that's the thing the closest to prayers i can think of right now, and it happen i include other selves, but very very rarely, two reason for that : if you include someone in a visualisation, you maybe going against his her own will , and i noticed with time it's a lot harder to overcome one others will than to get something material (seems rather normal indeed), second reason is explained by my previous post.

When i don't use that to get something specific (i think it's more what you asked) i just only focus on going away from here fast whatever the way. it's a very general request i know probably useless also. Everyone has his defect hehe.


Quote:Though... going it alone, while it may be suited to you at this particular nexus in your evolution because it is the most comfortable arrangement, is ultimately a more difficult path than exchanging energy with other selves.

if people were less weak , slaves , and more intelligent , probably it would worth interfering, for now it's lost, let's take the harder way, which also seems the better one from my point of view.

Quote:Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors

Certainly, but imagination is from a great help in that case, have you ever tried to talk to another yourself in your imagination, consciously i mean , can have a lot of answers about a lot of thing and fast.
i guess each person on a path build progressively his own tools to advance.


Quote:A. There is "polarity the concept" as a balance of energy configurations. It's definitely possible to be aware of this in 3rd density. But what I'm saying is that you would be aware of this polarity only in comparsion with other past experiences of polarity. It's a relative, personal experience of polarity. In other words, you have no way to, say, compare your polarity to another person's. There's no frame of reference other than self, which makes an absolute evaluation damn near impossible.

B. Then there is "absolute polarity" in the sense Ra talks about havestability: 51%/49% or 95%/5%. A third density entity would have a very hard time experiencing their polarity in this absolute context (it might be possible in some extraordinary transcendental episode). Remember also that a 3d entity has nothing to compare their polarity to other than the self.

A and B have maybe not a so clear separation IMO.
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02-25-2009, 04:43 PM,
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(02-25-2009, 02:24 PM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  A and B have maybe not a so clear separation IMO.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the distinction I'm attempting to draw deals not with polarity in general so much as what aspects of polarity one can make meaningful statements about.

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02-28-2009, 07:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-28-2009, 08:06 AM by AwakenedOneness.)
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Greetings to you All as One and One as All. One is. Fascinating thread full of purpose! “I” so enjoyed All’s postings. “I” make some offers here to the Oneness expressing as “Many” even though unsolicited…One so loves and enjoys company and diversity...thusly did it go forth into “Manyness”. Besides, this is very fun and funny indeed. This One comes for STA (Service to All) through the vibrational frequencies of Love, Joy, Laughter, and Merriment whilst doing it’s best to hold the LOO. “I” would write Service To One, but that acronym in LOO is already used. STA is a distinction I make (to include service to myself) because Ra’s terms have a lack of fullness about the STO/STS “orientations”. You might call me STO though Wink I would likely say something much like Jeremy did and retort: “Those are limiting labels, I am not limited by labels, words or intellectual concepts…Creator is not limited unless he chooses to be”, or as ayadew put it so well (bless you…your posts are divine): “The ultimate intention of STO action is STS because you are the Creator and you do it for yourself only, for you are all that is.” I would translate my awareness into words rather poorly as: “It’s all service to Creator no matter where it’s directed (STS/STO), the key is WHAT is being directed…”positive” love/light intending unity, or “negative” fear/dark intending continued separation…and as GLB said something about knowing your polarity/self/purpose and being true to it. I admit I’m no expert on the LOO/Ra materials, so please pardon any specific confusion or ignorance in regards to it. I do use the gateway frequently and more than that I shouldn’t say unless I want more lessons on humility Wink

I offer that Awareness is key. Many One are aware enough to realize the limitations of language and intellect. While quite well suited for communication about 3rd D reality, they are quite cumbersome to use for “explaining/discussing” higher dimensional realities and worlds. The language is inherently dualistic and polarized, but awareness of Unity cannot be. Thusly, One can have direct experience of higher dimensions/densities and gain awareness even beyond polarization into Unity itself, and have incredible difficulty “translating” it even unto their own intellect, much less anyone else’s. You can share your “thoughts” and “concepts” in words in forum, but can you share your awareness? Can awareness of Unity be transferred? How could it? When One is One, there is no “other” to transfer or share the awareness of it with. Upon return to “Our Individuated Self” as One in form of Manyness, we can serve to give hints, guidance, suggestions, keys and pointers in STO, but each must journey forth for themselves in perfect purpose to awareness itself as One. Limitations aside, the endeavors of language, concept, and mind are with perfect purpose and are catalyst/distraction, but we can also know they are no substitute for, and can never be, in themselves experience or awareness. This is similar as a general concept to what I think/assume/perceive Jeremy was getting at several times about labels and concepts and going beyond them, or rather not having them restrict/limit One.

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Pardon me for saying this so bluntly, but honestly I’m also posting to “write to myself” and to understand a bit about if there is value in these sorts of mental masturbations with “others” about that which is more properly the domain of journeying through the gateway utilizing awareness to go way beyond where “mental” and words can go. When One accesses the gateway to infinity and goes to higher levels of awareness in the 6th D and 7th D there is no need or utility (or ability) to contain that awareness gain in the mental body or words…except as it may somehow be of help in serving/supporting others. I currently believe the translated descriptions and concepts of awareness are pure folly, and I can be of more service to others by giving tips, guidance, encouragement, faith, hope, trust, etc. Part of my divine mission and service is to help “more fully” awaken wanderers, help them prepare for the gateway by achieving the pre-requisite of Self Mastery, and support them in accessing the gateway if they haven’t…not tell them what it’s like on the other side. In short, you ain’t never gonna “figure it out” in your “brain”, you just gotta go there yourself and get it in awareness! So, off I go into what I perceive to be folly…let’s see what happens…it’s playtime! Let the Creator play with himself…no wait, I didn’t mean it that way Wink

Let me begin by responding to Chaotikmind as it was/is his thread. But, I’ll weave in thoughts that will encompass replies to other poster’s responses as I go. Chaotikmind I wholeheartedly agree with what I think I perceive your statement about the bias about STS to be. From lurking here a while I’ve read/seen some for sure, but I see it all over the spiritual movement and in very wonderful spiritual friends. Question: Is it just bias, or perhaps, for some, even judgment? Even if it’s judgment, it’s a wonderful thing they are doing to themselves to increase their separation, widen their polarity within themselves, and provide the space for more growth where still needed. I trust All in their perfect and divine process and purpose. I know and see Divine Right Order everywhere I look. The Logo’s system is divine and marvelous in how it functions towards Unity…regardless. It constantly amazes me.

The good/evil judgment of polarization is actually a very advanced one to overcome…few have gotten beyond it...few have the courage to be in the presence of the one who would bar their way. Jeremy had it right when he said that people project it out so they don’t have to see/deal with it within. But, it can be transcended. I have done it. It is not impossible. This is a message of hope, news, and perhaps inspiration I wish to give All here. I read many thoughts in this thread that made me want to reply simply, “Argue for your limitations and they shall be yours.” I do not mean this in a “judgmental” or chastising way, I just mean to help you be aware of what you are choosing to do (assuming you weren’t). Your soul is an unlimited Co-creator hologram of the Creator and you are thusly without limitations-besides those you self-impose as you choose on purpose. When you are done having your limitations serve you…you will let them go and fly beyond them.
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I’m glad someone posted back to Chaotikmind kind and encouraging thoughts about his path. That he may in fact be service to others in ways difficult to see, or really an STO entity choosing a path that just doesn’t “appear” that way given some confusion all around. Or perhaps a shift in path will occur in Perfect Order? When you are an adept and shine brightly, you can radiate and serve the earth, animals, entities and more without leaving your house. You can serve others in your sleep. I did it last night for countless humans…tiring but rewarding. You can radiate love and light that does so much for the graduation/harvest. STS is often confused with deeds of kindness or more societal norms of service than need be. There are infinite ways to serve others…many of which are difficult to perceive or see directly.

More specifically Chaotikmind: I would say it’s a matter of the direction/vector of energy/intent/attention on the one hand, and a matter of implementation or quality/color of it on the other. I recall LOO states that STS orientation is service, and is love of/to self, and is serving the Creator. How then could this be judged to be “bad” or “evil”? It cannot while holding the LOO and being free of all confusion. Therefore, if someone thinks STS as an orientation in and of itself is bad/evil or has pre-determined associations and generalizations about that, then it is WITHIN THEM and being projected outward. More simply put: they are just confused. Certainly there can be actions, behaviors, choices that would appear “evil/bad” that an entity on STS path can make, but it has to do with those specifics and the individual themselves, not the orientation or path itself. All of the same “evil/bad” behaviors or choices are just as possible with STO orientated entities. Working on self, loving self and directing attention to self is merely a vector of energy pointing inwards. Since the Creator is within, this is still wonderful. Doing the same with “others” is a vector pointing “outwards”. That then is the general orientations/direction of the vectors of STS/STO. Now then we have the quality/color and implementation. In short, how it is done or carried out by an individual entity. As one vectors within for example, they can do anything they want with their choices and actions. They can do this in ways that are completely peaceful, loving, kind, spiritual, and yes, even unifying. “Bad/Evil” appearances are related to dysfunctional thought forms, programming of lower natures, judgment and self importance/pride issues…NOT related to the entity itself! It’s like seeing the difference being a child’s “bad” behavior and seeing them as a “bad” child. In the one/highest reality there are no “bad guys”, there is no “evil entity”, there is only Creator expressing in individuated Co-creators. But, in confusion, forgetting and the illusion of separation, entities do perceive there to be bad guys and evil. They do this by utilizing a marvelous faculty called judgment. If you have judgment within, it’s going to color/filter what you perceive without. But, it’s not out there…it’s in you...it’s not ultimately real…it’s your perception in duality. This is exactly what is so darn wonderful and refreshing about the LOO material…it is what is so freeing! It provides a way to let loose enormous joy and love…to radiated it unrestricted…for there is no need to withhold it from “anyone” or anywhere. You are free to love all unconditionally because you no longer feel any need to withhold love from those who don’t “deserve” it…the “evil ones”. Beyond this even, there actually aren’t even “evil/bad/negative” acts or behaviors, it’s just that 3rd D people choose to perceive them as such. It’s all a function of level of awareness and vibratory frequency.

I personally have closely observed the life of an STS oriented Co-creator who arrived at complete enlightenment. The entity actually graduated (harvested) very quickly and moved on. He is an incredible soul and very advanced. In my personal opinion, he came in this incarnation to try the STS path “just for fun” and the challenge. I think he’d previously graduated and become enlightened using STO path beyond 6th D already. Now, when he passed, the celebration of his life ceremony was attended by over 400 people! The facility overflowed, went into the downstairs where people just listened on speakers. The point being everyone loved and adored him. He was a treasure. His radiance was so bright it touched many. To know him was to love him. He was incredibly loving, humble, quiet, and mediated and prayed for hours daily. He inspired and motivated tons of people to be their best and stretch their limits. He did this by demonstration and an incredible vitality and enthusiasm he radiated. He read spiritual books, was a master artist and athlete. He had a huge heart and much love. He never committed a violent act, crime, or even harsh words to others. He was an impeccable spiritual master. He had “contacts” on higher planes/dimensions he worked with actively. He opened and passed the gateway to infinite regularly. In short, you’d think he was a “saint”. Except this: He was the most selfish person I ever met. He was notoriously selfish. 98% Selfish! At a certain point in his life I don’t think he ever did anything that he didn’t want to do. He never did anything “for anyone else”. If there was no personal desire or something in it for him, he simply didn’t do it. He’d do things that appeared kind like invite you out to dinner, but he’d do it because he wanted the company and didn’t want to go alone. If you didn’t have the money to go, he’d offer to pay, not to “give to you” but so you wouldn’t have an excuse not to go. He’d talk you into going to see a movie he wanted to see, but never go see one with you he didn’t want to see. He spent nearly all his time doing “his thing” in athletics, art, and with women. Now, I’d say that’s clearly an STS orientation wouldn’t you? Nearly all of his energy/attention/love was directed to self. He knew he was one with Creator and one with everyone else, and so he simply knew that any/all love he pointed at himself hit Oneness just the same. If we are one and connected, as I love myself I AM loving you. Again I say it’s a vector my friends, not positive/negative. Much confusion on this thread is mixing a path or vector with polarity or judgments.

It may be helpful to some here to think of a picture, in fact draw one yourself. Make a circle…umm yeah that’s One/Creator. Then draw a line down the middle, making two halves (yep, let there be light, then separate the darkness), then divide each of these again in half crossways making 4 pieces of pie. Assume the light half on the left. It’s top part (quarter wedge) is STO, it’s bottom is STS (you could write those in). Both are in the love and light side…again the only difference is the vector of the love/light. On the right side of the circle we have the two darkness quarters (shade them lightly). On the top quarter is darkness/fear attempting to cause/maintain Separation In Others (label it SIO), on the bottom is darkness/fear attempting to cause/maintain Separation In Self (label it SIS). This picture then encompasses both polarity and orientation in a more full (in my opinion) explanation than just the binary of STO/STS. You can have all kinds of fun pondering this.

How can there be “others” in “the highest reality” when “there is only One?” Don’t get me “wrong”, I loved the Ra material and took great value from it, but it “falls short” in several regards (another post/thread perhaps). How can you truly serve others until you have served yourself? If you would extend/radiate unconditional love/light to others, would you not have to first extend it to yourself? Can you radiate that which you have not awakened/ignited? How can you unconditionally love yourself if you yet hold judgments? If you find yourself in a polarized 3rd D world, programmed with judgment (which always separates), wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service? If not, wouldn’t you simply be a separated “self” creating a reflection of separation and “serving” that out to others? With great intent of STO towards Unity you’d actually extend separation instead? Cannot you see where this has already been done? Is this not a distraction…a ploy by SIS? Point being that it’s a process. How much time and attention do so called STO people spend on their inner path and process? The first part of the process is then loving and serving self enough to recover from your forgetting and confusion so that you have a “worthy” gift to offer from awakened and unified soul or Co-creator to sleeping Co-creators. In short, in “human” lifetimes dedicated to service, all must begin with STS orientation/focus of intent in order to “heal”/”remember”, raise their vibratory frequencies and progress through the chakras and/or levels of separation. And then, when they radiate out brightly, and even go forth into action to serve “others”, are they not also serving their own purpose, intent, and polarity? Are they not serving the plans, purposes, and desires of soul for their incarnation? If you came here to “help” others, when you do so, are you not helping yourself fulfill your mission? When you teach/learn is there an intent to teach, but a byproduct of learning…or from the soul’s perspective is it indeed actually the reverse? And so these lines and delineations between STO/STS begin to blur when seen this way…and thus I coined STA (service to All – including yourself) because there is much cross-over and blending.

Specific to the thread and some of the One’s postings. JeremyD: you wrote and are aware of very much. Don’t get a big head, it’s just that I prefer your reflection of myself because I’m a prejudiced jerk Wink This One resonates most with, and sees great value in, the line you wrote, “Creation is an experiment in what separation would be like if it were possible, right?” Creator’s reply is an emphatic, “Yes, exactly! But it’s more like an experience or ‘game’ of hide and seek I’m playing with myself as I attempt the impossible…fulfillment of a purpose…to know myself.” I’d typed up a somewhat detailed explanation with lots of revelations about the how’s and details that I’ve translated from my awareness gained by journeys through the gateway to Infinity, but was immediately “instructed”/”reprimanded” by higher levels of myself to delete it all as violations of the Laws of Confusion and Forgetting…pity. Jeremy, I think if we met in person we’d get along splendidly and waste countless hours in words. I wish to ask if you journey through the gateway though, and to what density/world/dimensions, as some (just a little) of what you write seems still in confusion. That is if you’d feel comfortable sharing any of that. If you’d like to know what exactly, you’d have to ask…not for me to say when unsolicited. Perhaps private emails would be great some day together.

GLB you are inspiring and obviously highly aware! I loved reading your posts. Although I resonate with most of what you write, there’s one thing/concept you appear to hold that seems to me limiting/confused. It is just as likely I’m the confused one. If you have interest maybe we could “give each other a run for the money” to sort it out. I refrain from pointing anything out to either of you though out of huge respect for your process and I have absolutely no desire to infringe on your Self Mastery. So far along that the few confusions you/we have left are nearly to be cherished and only cleared up on our own for full benefit of self mastery. In short, I know you don’t need any “help” from little ‘ol me. Besides which, I’m retarded. I’d probably just ask you some hopefully stimulating questions to consider and not give my perceptions/thoughts.

May each of you get just what you desire in perfect purpose!
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02-28-2009, 12:41 PM,
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RE: Biased view of STS
Beautiful post, and very helpful! Thank you. In this place where there are questions, there are no answers, and in the place where the answers are, there are no questions. I'm still living the questions.
I love the image of the circle, but I would suggest a sphere, with all different kinds of experiences of duality interacting, independently.
Is it just me (ok, I know it is), but do I sense a slight judgement regarding separation? Isn't the experience of the most intense separation ultimately why we're here?
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02-28-2009, 02:15 PM,
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Hello AwakenedOneness.

Fantastic post, my dear friend. It resonated with me deeply, and I am grateful to you for sharing your thoughts in these matters. I feel they are a great catalyst for polarization.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  I personally have closely observed the life of an STS oriented Co-creator who arrived at complete enlightenment. [......cutting text to decrease size of post......] He spent nearly all his time doing “his thing” in athletics, art, and with women. Now, I’d say that’s clearly an STS orientation wouldn’t you? Nearly all of his energy/attention/love was directed to self. He knew he was one with Creator and one with everyone else, and so he simply knew that any/all love he pointed at himself hit Oneness just the same. If we are one and connected, as I love myself I AM loving you. Again I say it’s a vector my friends, not positive/negative. Much confusion on this thread is mixing a path or vector with polarity or judgments.

I have known such entities too, my friend. These leisurely people truly bask in their knowledge, which they naturally keep to themselves. They have a certain feeling for me, quite easily identifiable. Like their kindness sucks you dry yet you still love it. Only the intention behind all actions matters, in the end, which you perfectly describe. Your post brings me great joy, and I am truly happy that this man could inspire so many. A true master of catalysts. And I am truly happy that you have shared this post, and inspired many, too.
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02-28-2009, 05:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-28-2009, 05:07 PM by AwakenedOneness.)
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(02-28-2009, 12:41 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  Beautiful post, and very helpful! Thank you. In this place where there are questions, there are no answers, and in the place where the answers are, there are no questions. I'm still living the questions.

I love how you put that! When I’m in 6th D or above (either “here” in awareness or “there” on the other side of the gateway whilst “journeying”, that is the exact awareness/experience “I” have/feel: No more questions! All is “known” and simple. Searching/seeking for “truth” over…in 7th D though, soul still finds Eternal Divine Purpose which propels it upward on the Spiral of Everlasting Life. AppleSeed, your welcome for the post, but credit goes to the source, not my “personality” Wink

Appleseed, didn’t you mean to say “I’m still living SOME of the questions on SOME levels of being?” This is showing you have a wonderful acceptance of your process and shows no denial or judgment about life and the path of Self Mastery. Your humility is truly great, but you are also divine Wink I’m sure you know that, and I’m not assuming you don’t. One of my teachers once said, “It is time for you to accept your Divinity my beloved.” I pass this on and perhaps it will serve you well.

(02-28-2009, 12:41 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  I love the image of the circle, but I would suggest a sphere, with all different kinds of experiences of duality interacting, independently.

Great! That’s what Creator meant when it said through me to “play/explore” this yourself. Yes, much better in 3 dimensional image. And yes, you can picture your awareness and experiences as interactions within the sphere. Imagine for example that for every “negative lie” in darkness (a point), there is a corresponding “positive truth” in light (another point) and perhaps then experience is the line connecting them when you activate that potential using energy. For example, there are pairs such as Acceptance/Denial or Judgment, Love/Fear, Humility/Pride. When you ignite the point of Judgment within you through catalyst/experience it lights up the Acceptance point. Then you get to use choice and Self Mastery to see if you can move your awareness from the one point to the other. Sometimes we make really long lines with great traverse of polarity potential for “big” growth/evolution of awareness opportunities. Knowing, loving, and accepting that we do this “on purpose” is a key to not having judgment of polarity/separation, and when One steps powerfully and consciously on their “path”. It’s a fairly new model/picture for me, but ties in well with understandings I’ve had for long time…It’s just a “toy”. I’m enjoying playing with it Wink How about going beyond the line and seeing the triangle? If the base is the line just described, what/where is the third point and how does it come into play?

(02-28-2009, 12:41 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  Is it just me (ok, I know it is), but do I sense a slight judgement regarding separation? Isn't the experience of the most intense separation ultimately why we're here?

Yes my beloved reflection of Co-creator, it’s “just you”. And/or perhaps several things. As I said in my post, I cannot type in English “words” without their implicit judgments being foisted onto awareness where there actually are none…it’s a function of “translation” into words, and perhaps “interpretation” or uptake of them through your brain. And yes, sometimes that can point out to the receiver (you) wherein you may have the judgments within yourself. Only you can answer that question, I cannot. It is also a function of my imperfection in use of language…forgive me that Wink If you mean life here in 3rd D as the “most intense experience of separation”, I’d say it’s very intense, but not “the most intense experience”. I’d say it’s a wonderful painting or representation of the actual most intense experience. When you go deep enough you can touch/work with that one itself…you do it here tangentially. As to ‘ultimately’ why we’re here, I’d say rather that it’s a ‘primary’ purpose, and one that must be at least “mostly completed” prior to moving on to other soul purposes for incarnation. One refers to it as Self Mastery, the first in a Trilogy if you like, but there is also Self Attainment, and Self Sovereignty – books two and three. Then the ‘ultimate’ reason why we are here would then be the experience of Oneness whilst still in embodiment. However, this last part presupposes much about the particular soul. They are all such unique snowflakes and all have their unique “purposes” which are perfect. I speak then of the ultimate potential, and a literal possibility for some souls.

Personally I believe (in my never-to-be-sufficiently-humble opinion), that I have no judgment about separation. I accept and LOVE it deeply and sincerely. It took me many years to realize this, but I currently am aware that it is an infinite feedback loop of the Creator and Co-creators which provides the foundation for Eternal Life itself as individuated Co-creators. Thus I LOVE it since without it, “I” or my “Soul” would not be able to exist “independently”. Also, it is the great potential for growth and the great teacher.

I send blessings of Love and Light to you Appleseed and a blessing of hope that you laugh and play along your way ever more each day! – Awakened Oneness
Oops, forgot to add that I put many "quotes" on words to indicate where I'm concious of the fact the word is polarized and to mean it's an approximation of what I'm meaning, but a poor one.
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02-28-2009, 05:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-28-2009, 05:45 PM by Monica.)
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RE: Biased view of STS
(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  How can there be “others” in “the highest reality” when “there is only One?”

In the very first session, Ra indicated that the Law of One is about the resolution of paradox.

The 'highest reality' by definition would be from the perspective of the One Infinite Creator.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Don’t get me “wrong”, I loved the Ra material and took great value from it, but it “falls short” in several regards (another post/thread perhaps). How can you truly serve others until you have served yourself?

You mentioned that you were not very familiar with the Law of One material. I am curious how much of it you have read...? Because this issue is definitely addressed in the material: Ra clearly states that it is absolutely necessary for an entity to love self in order to be harvestable to STO.

The term 'service to others' does not imply serving others at the exclusion of serving self. Rather, it is a balance of both. Not a precise balance - there is some wiggle room there - but both are important.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  If you would extend/radiate unconditional love/light to others, would you not have to first extend it to yourself?

Why must it be first? If self = other self, then why would it matter which came first?

If the impetus for opening the heart chakra is to serve another, the self also benefits. However, the converse doesn't appear to always be true, at least not at this level of reality. We know that STS has its purpose, and STS entities do indeed serve the Creator. But at this level of reality, they may bypass the heart chakra altogether. So focusing on self, while serving others in the long run, does not have the same effect on the heart chakra as does focusing on other-selves and allowing the love to radiate outwards and thru self at the same time.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Can you radiate that which you have not awakened/ignited? How can you unconditionally love yourself if you yet hold judgments? If you find yourself in a polarized 3rd D world, programmed with judgment (which always separates), wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service?

Respectfully, you seem to be caught up in a duality, seeing service as an 'either/or' proposition. To the STO oriented entity, service to other-selves is serving the ALL, which includes the self. There needn't be any conflict. There needn't be any hierarchial order to service, as in 'first' or 'second' but all is done with the intention to serve the whole. STO-oriented service is simultaneous. The STO orientation is that which seeks to serve, with no such distinctions drawn. Distinctions between self and other-self would seem, imo, to be arising from the percentage of self that is STS. For none are 100% one polarity.
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02-28-2009, 10:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-28-2009, 10:42 PM by AwakenedOneness.)
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(02-28-2009, 02:15 PM)ayadew Wrote:  Hello AwakenedOneness.

Fantastic post, my dear friend. It resonated with me deeply, and I am grateful to you for sharing your thoughts in these matters. I feel they are a great catalyst for polarization...Your post brings me great joy, and I am truly happy that this man could inspire so many. A true master of catalysts. And I am truly happy that you have shared this post, and inspired many, too.

Truly the pleasure is mine my friend. Bless your process Wink
Greetings in Love and Light oh Radiant Monica. I felt your actual energy radiance as I read many of your posts. You simply glow my love Wink I reply specifically to your responses only for a bit more “play”. Besides the different words used, I perceive no/little difference in what “we” both wrote / are saying. In short, yeppers! I agree with what you wrote completely - save the final part Wink I interpret your responses as containing exactly the same awareness I was attempting to convey with my ‘words’. I totally accept that you may not see it that way. Perhaps others will get value from our exchange. I have intent only to clarify and ask a few “pardons”. I have no need for defense. Resistance is futile Wink Nothing you respond to me with will ever alter my love for you.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  How can there be “others” in “the highest reality” when “there is only One?”

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  In the very first session, Ra indicated that the Law of One is about the resolution of paradox.
The 'highest reality' by definition would be from the perspective of the One Infinite Creator.

Yes, that is precisely what I meant and intended to say by highest reality and the perspective from there. It was a rhetorical question, the answer being “There cannot.” and the intent of stating the obvious was for the readers of the thread’s mental bodies to “plug” back into this in order to overcome “confusion” when using the words “others” and “self”…if they so chose.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Don’t get me “wrong”, I loved the Ra material and took great value from it, but it “falls short” in several regards (another post/thread perhaps). How can you truly serve others until you have served yourself?

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  You mentioned that you were not very familiar with the Law of One material. I am curious how much of it you have read...? Because this issue is definitely addressed in the material: Ra clearly states that it is absolutely necessary for an entity to love self in order to be harvestable to STO.

Monica, I would have to look “how far I’ve read…I think I’m in book III of IV or something. Most importantly, please pardon me: the first two sentences of mine were not meant to be connected. I “should” have begun a new paragraph between them. I was actually re-iterating what Law of One clearly states but in question form. My purpose was that I perceived many parts of confusion/discussion in the thread appeared to me to be based on losing sight of this intimate connection. I do not attribute the confusion to Law of One itself, but to the reader’s brain and corresponding thought forms.

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  The term 'service to others' does not imply serving others at the exclusion of serving self. Rather, it is a balance of both. Not a precise balance - there is some wiggle room there - but both are important.

I agree completely, this very point is made repeatedly in my post. The “term” does not imply it, but the reader’s mind may or may not. But, the term is an obvious distortion in English that is overcome with awareness of Oneness or addition of other words such as you did to clear it up. Confusion is the result of the lack of awareness in Oneness which would otherwise allow the mind to overcome the dualistic/separate nature of the word(s). Precisely why I suggested STA is more inclusive (imo) of what they mean when they say STO.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  If you would extend/radiate unconditional love/light to others, would you not have to first extend it to yourself?

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Why must it be first? If self = other self, then why would it matter which came first?

I will expand in reply not “for/to” you Monica, but perhaps for benefit of many potential readers. Re-read what I wrote precisely. It was a conditional statement containing “if”. Note I also qualified the frequency of love specifically as “unconditional”. Simply put: “If you would radiate to others, you necessarily must “have” something to radiate. You are absolutely correct that it does not matter which comes first. And also, I think we both agree it is more of a simultaneous and/or flowing both ways…balance. More “real 3rd D life” then: You can extend love to others. For many “people” they extend love only to “lovable” people based on certain criteria/judgments. “I love my husband vs. I hate my boss”. Or they love someone for a time until something happens and then they stop due to some perceived injustice or judgment about the “other”. IMO, their heart chakra is not yet fully cleared and activated. It’s a process. It’s growth towards unity. They also extend self love, sometimes they withhold love from themselves due to guilt, judgments, or in general due to their predicament of separateness within. “I love most of me…but not this part!”

But, people often progress/grow and as they remove restrictions/judgments on themselves two things happen. They “clean” and open their heart chakra more and begin to love themselves more. The second thing is now they are even more capable of extending love to others because they now won’t place those same restrictions/judgments on others. Do unto others sort of effect. Like if you can love yourself even with all your “stuff” and past, then why not be more accepting/loving of others? It happens as a natural consequence. Now it also happens in reverse: as you practice loving others with less judgment and restriction you begin to see that you can also lift the ones you’ve placed on yourself. “If I can extend more love to this guy, surely I can love me more!” Thus, as you open more fully/freely to love others, it naturally opens you up to more fully love yourself – and as you more fully/freely love yourself, it naturally opens you up to love others. It is a circle, spiral, or infinity sign. Love in motion. In practice it is simultaneous, multi-targeted and ebb/flow in a figure eight. All these words condensed then: One Loves One. How could it be otherwise? We just see it as self/others under the illusion of separation in 3rd D. I could have just as well said, “If we wish to radiate unconditional love/light to ourselves, must we not also radiate it to all ‘others’?” Let me just take back the word “first” and replace it with “also” and re-post both sentences Wink

The point I was making in my sentence was that there are some incredible things that happen when the heart chakra is fully opened (when unconditional/unlimited love is reached/unrestricted). From there, then you have something so wonderful to radiate/extend or “serve” up to others…Unconditional love. This is an “order” I was implying, not an either/or as you suggested. Prior to that, you radiate only conditional love. (No judgment about it being “better” love, just a knowing of the general intent/purpose of STO entities) Necessarily then, it is limited and constricted in flow due to judgments held within/without. Also importantly, this unconditional love then opens the availability of the gateway to infinity and the miraculous experiences that follow which can incredibly empower a being to “serve” “others” in marvelous ways indeed!

My intent in making the point was in short to say, “Service to Self initially (in terms of working within, chakras, and of course with others, but primarily focusing on YOUR personal/spiritual growth) leads to empowered Service to Others”. I did not mean to split hairs or raise confusion about STO not including STS in balance, but instead to point out why they are both required in STO orientation and for those who’d gotten a bit confused to perhaps see how it’s more really what I called STA or Service to One. Oh my goodness I call ‘uncle’ already. I do hope this typing is of some value to someone…for me, I’m just now getting value of laughter at folly and futility getting too detailed in mental construct and language…but it’s kinda fun I guess. Certainly it’s also an opportunity for distraction from service as well as potential service…I guess depending upon how, where, and with what intent it’s done and how it is received or used by the recipient.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Can you radiate that which you have not awakened/ignited? How can you unconditionally love yourself if you yet hold judgments? If you find yourself in a polarized 3rd D world, programmed with judgment (which always separates), wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service?

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Respectfully, you seem to be caught up in a duality, seeing service as an 'either/or' proposition. To the STO oriented entity, service to other-selves is serving the ALL, which includes the self. There needn't be any conflict. There needn't be any hierarchial order to service, as in 'first' or 'second' but all is done with the intention to serve the whole. STO-oriented service is simultaneous. The STO orientation is that which seeks to serve, with no such distinctions drawn. Distinctions between self and other-self would seem, imo, to be arising from the percentage of self that is STS. For none are 100% one polarity.

Even more respectfully: Nope. I’m not caught in anything of the sort. Perhaps you read into my words things that were not there, or maybe they were just poorly written Wink Maybe my above explanation has already clarified all that, and how I see service/love in unity. I do not see service as either/or. I implied no conflict…I did imply order (only in 3rd D) in trying to make a specific point. More generally of course I agree to the simultaneousness. I did not imply “hierarchy”, only natural progression. My last sentence was very poorly written in not conveying my meaning: “wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service?” Pardon me again, restated: “Wouldn’t you prefer to transcend judgments and gain unconditional love radiance prior to heavily focusing your time and energy on assisting and supporting “others” with personal growth?” The implication being that if you don’t, then simply be aware that your radiance of love is conditional/limited, and any “mental” teachings/services are confused. Your judgments and separation will be reflected from inside out to that “other” you so desire to “serve”…and yes, that’s still perfect service and I don’t judge it. I am also aware certain souls have a purpose and desire to go beyond that. What you radiate out will always be a reflection of what is within…”clean-up and exalt” what is within and you have a “cleaner” and higher vibratory radiation without. To whatever degree and timing you do this is absolutely perfect.

Thank you for the opportunity to respond Monica…and your gentle nature is a blessing to All…bless you and bless All - AwakenedOneness
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03-01-2009, 02:21 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-01-2009, 03:09 AM by Monica.)
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RE: Biased view of STS
(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  How then could this be judged to be “bad” or “evil”? It cannot while holding the LOO and being free of all confusion.

Do you think that assessing something as being energetically STS or STO is the same as judging? Do you see any value in making any assessments, or do you see all assessments as judgment?

Do you think that anyone (who is incarnate in 3D) is truly free of all confusion?

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Therefore, if someone thinks STS as an orientation in and of itself is bad/evil or has pre-determined associations and generalizations about that, then it is WITHIN THEM and being projected outward. More simply put: they are just confused.

Do you think this includes Ra?


(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Certainly there can be actions, behaviors, choices that would appear “evil/bad” that an entity on STS path can make, but it has to do with those specifics and the individual themselves, not the orientation or path itself. All of the same “evil/bad” behaviors or choices are just as possible with STO orientated entities.

Forgive me if I'm not fully understanding you...but can you please clarify? Are you saying that you disagree with Ra's assertion that we must choose a polarity while in 3D? Or is it just that you believe yourself to be above that? If the latter, do you disagree that choosing a polarity is necessary for 3D entities to be harvestable? Are you disagreeing with the very premise of the Law of One as explained by Ra/Q'uo? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  “Bad/Evil” appearances are related to dysfunctional thought forms, programming of lower natures, judgment and self importance/pride issues…NOT related to the entity itself! It’s like seeing the difference being a child’s “bad” behavior and seeing them as a “bad” child.

I agree with you here, for the most part, as regards most entities, who are of mixed polarity. I also agree that outward behavior is not always indicative of polarity, ie. one may appear loving on the surface but may have selfish motivations, or be seemingly evil on the surface but actually be very confused or even good-intentioned in terms of actual motivations. Both of these examples are indicators of mixed-polarity.

Are you saying that there is no true STO or STS polarity at all? That we are all basically the same, a mixture of various motivations and behaviors? Again, I ask if you are disagreeing with the very premise of 3D being The Choice.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  In the one/highest reality there are no “bad guys”, there is no “evil entity”, there is only Creator expressing in individuated Co-creators. But, in confusion, forgetting and the illusion of separation, entities do perceive there to be bad guys and evil. They do this by utilizing a marvelous faculty called judgment. If you have judgment within, it’s going to color/filter what you perceive without. But, it’s not out there…it’s in you...it’s not ultimately real…it’s your perception in duality.

By saying it's not real, not out there but 'in you' isn't that also duality? To say something is 'not' such-and-such implies duality...isn't that a judgment in itself? Do you think that if something is in you it cannot also be 'out there?'

I submit that it is both. We are holographic and mirror to one another.

Again, please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but you seem to be implying that any sort of discerning of 'otherness' or rejecting of any qualities is not cool. Do you see any value in assessing qualities and choosing to not resonate with those particular qualities? For example, is Q'uo being 'judgmental' or 'confused' when they say "The STS path is a bloody path...We are not of those...We are of the radiant path" (paraphrased) ...? Is this confusion? Bias? Judgment?

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  This is exactly what is so darn wonderful and refreshing about the LOO material…it is what is so freeing! It provides a way to let loose enormous joy and love…to radiated it unrestricted…for there is no need to withhold it from “anyone” or anywhere. You are free to love all unconditionally because you no longer feel any need to withhold love from those who don’t “deserve” it…the “evil ones”. Beyond this even, there actually aren’t even “evil/bad/negative” acts or behaviors, it’s just that 3rd D people choose to perceive them as such. It’s all a function of level of awareness and vibratory frequency.

I'm in total agreement that radiating joy/love to everyone is the thing to do...Ra/Q'uo have frequently reiterated that.

However, the idea of withholding love from one who is perceived as 'evil' is contrary to the teachings of the Law of One...it is in the cases of STS 'greeting' that it is perhaps most important to respond in love...Are you saying that it is a mistake to recognize the motivation/polarity of another entity who is seeking to influence you in some way?

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  I wish to ask if you journey through the gateway though, and to what density/world/dimensions, as some (just a little) of what you write seems still in confusion.

Can you please define 'through the gateway' ...? Thanks!
(02-28-2009, 10:37 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Greetings in Love and Light oh Radiant Monica. I felt your actual energy radiance as I read many of your posts. You simply glow my love Wink

Thanks! Blush

(02-28-2009, 10:37 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  I reply specifically to your responses only for a bit more “play”. Besides the different words used, I perceive no/little difference in what “we” both wrote / are saying. In short, yeppers! I agree with what you wrote completely - save the final part Wink I interpret your responses as containing exactly the same awareness I was attempting to convey with my ‘words’. I totally accept that you may not see it that way. Perhaps others will get value from our exchange. I have intent only to clarify and ask a few “pardons”. I have no need for defense. Resistance is futile Wink Nothing you respond to me with will ever alter my love for you.

OK.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  How can there be “others” in “the highest reality” when “there is only One?”

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  In the very first session, Ra indicated that the Law of One is about the resolution of paradox.
The 'highest reality' by definition would be from the perspective of the One Infinite Creator.

Yes, that is precisely what I meant and intended to say by highest reality and the perspective from there. It was a rhetorical question, the answer being “There cannot.” and the intent of stating the obvious was for the readers of the thread’s mental bodies to “plug” back into this in order to overcome “confusion” when using the words “others” and “self”…if they so chose.
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Ra used the term 'other-self' to convey the concept of Oneness, and many of us use that term here, as a reminder to not see ourselves as separate from other-selves.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Monica, I would have to look “how far I’ve read…I think I’m in book III of IV or something. Most importantly, please pardon me: the first two sentences of mine were not meant to be connected. I “should” have begun a new paragraph between them. I was actually re-iterating what Law of One clearly states but in question form. My purpose was that I perceived many parts of confusion/discussion in the thread appeared to me to be based on losing sight of this intimate connection. I do not attribute the confusion to Law of One itself, but to the reader’s brain and corresponding thought forms.

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  The term 'service to others' does not imply serving others at the exclusion of serving self. Rather, it is a balance of both. Not a precise balance - there is some wiggle room there - but both are important.

I agree completely, this very point is made repeatedly in my post. The “term” does not imply it, but the reader’s mind may or may not. But, the term is an obvious distortion in English that is overcome with awareness of Oneness or addition of other words such as you did to clear it up. Confusion is the result of the lack of awareness in Oneness which would otherwise allow the mind to overcome the dualistic/separate nature of the word(s). Precisely why I suggested STA is more inclusive (imo) of what they mean when they say STO.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  If you would extend/radiate unconditional love/light to others, would you not have to first extend it to yourself?

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Why must it be first? If self = other self, then why would it matter which came first?

I will expand in reply not “for/to” you Monica, but perhaps for benefit of many potential readers. Re-read what I wrote precisely. It was a conditional statement containing “if”. Note I also qualified the frequency of love specifically as “unconditional”. Simply put: “If you would radiate to others, you necessarily must “have” something to radiate. You are absolutely correct that it does not matter which comes first. And also, I think we both agree it is more of a simultaneous and/or flowing both ways…balance. More “real 3rd D life” then: You can extend love to others. For many “people” they extend love only to “lovable” people based on certain criteria/judgments. “I love my husband vs. I hate my boss”. Or they love someone for a time until something happens and then they stop due to some perceived injustice or judgment about the “other”. IMO, their heart chakra is not yet fully cleared and activated. It’s a process. It’s growth towards unity. They also extend self love, sometimes they withhold love from themselves due to guilt, judgments, or in general due to their predicament of separateness within. “I love most of me…but not this part!”

But, people often progress/grow and as they remove restrictions/judgments on themselves two things happen. They “clean” and open their heart chakra more and begin to love themselves more. The second thing is now they are even more capable of extending love to others because they now won’t place those same restrictions/judgments on others. Do unto others sort of effect. Like if you can love yourself even with all your “stuff” and past, then why not be more accepting/loving of others? It happens as a natural consequence. Now it also happens in reverse: as you practice loving others with less judgment and restriction you begin to see that you can also lift the ones you’ve placed on yourself. “If I can extend more love to this guy, surely I can love me more!” Thus, as you open more fully/freely to love others, it naturally opens you up to more fully love yourself – and as you more fully/freely love yourself, it naturally opens you up to love others. It is a circle, spiral, or infinity sign. Love in motion. In practice it is simultaneous, multi-targeted and ebb/flow in a figure eight. All these words condensed then: One Loves One. How could it be otherwise? We just see it as self/others under the illusion of separation in 3rd D. I could have just as well said, “If we wish to radiate unconditional love/light to ourselves, must we not also radiate it to all ‘others’?” Let me just take back the word “first” and replace it with “also” and re-post both sentences Wink

The point I was making in my sentence was that there are some incredible things that happen when the heart chakra is fully opened (when unconditional/unlimited love is reached/unrestricted). From there, then you have something so wonderful to radiate/extend or “serve” up to others…Unconditional love. This is an “order” I was implying, not an either/or as you suggested. Prior to that, you radiate only conditional love. (No judgment about it being “better” love, just a knowing of the general intent/purpose of STO entities) Necessarily then, it is limited and constricted in flow due to judgments held within/without. Also importantly, this unconditional love then opens the availability of the gateway to infinity and the miraculous experiences that follow which can incredibly empower a being to “serve” “others” in marvelous ways indeed!

My intent in making the point was in short to say, “Service to Self initially (in terms of working within, chakras, and of course with others, but primarily focusing on YOUR personal/spiritual growth) leads to empowered Service to Others”. I did not mean to split hairs or raise confusion about STO not including STS in balance, but instead to point out why they are both required in STO orientation and for those who’d gotten a bit confused to perhaps see how it’s more really what I called STA or Service to One. Oh my goodness I call ‘uncle’ already. I do hope this typing is of some value to someone…for me, I’m just now getting value of laughter at folly and futility getting too detailed in mental construct and language…but it’s kinda fun I guess. Certainly it’s also an opportunity for distraction from service as well as potential service…I guess depending upon how, where, and with what intent it’s done and how it is received or used by the recipient.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Can you radiate that which you have not awakened/ignited? How can you unconditionally love yourself if you yet hold judgments? If you find yourself in a polarized 3rd D world, programmed with judgment (which always separates), wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service?

(02-28-2009, 05:42 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Respectfully, you seem to be caught up in a duality, seeing service as an 'either/or' proposition. To the STO oriented entity, service to other-selves is serving the ALL, which includes the self. There needn't be any conflict. There needn't be any hierarchial order to service, as in 'first' or 'second' but all is done with the intention to serve the whole. STO-oriented service is simultaneous. The STO orientation is that which seeks to serve, with no such distinctions drawn. Distinctions between self and other-self would seem, imo, to be arising from the percentage of self that is STS. For none are 100% one polarity.

Even more respectfully: Nope. I’m not caught in anything of the sort. Perhaps you read into my words things that were not there, or maybe they were just poorly written Wink Maybe my above explanation has already clarified all that, and how I see service/love in unity. I do not see service as either/or. I implied no conflict…I did imply order (only in 3rd D) in trying to make a specific point. More generally of course I agree to the simultaneousness. I did not imply “hierarchy”, only natural progression. My last sentence was very poorly written in not conveying my meaning: “wouldn’t you need first to transcend and transmute that before offering service?” Pardon me again, restated: “Wouldn’t you prefer to transcend judgments and gain unconditional love radiance prior to heavily focusing your time and energy on assisting and supporting “others” with personal growth?” The implication being that if you don’t, then simply be aware that your radiance of love is conditional/limited, and any “mental” teachings/services are confused. Your judgments and separation will be reflected from inside out to that “other” you so desire to “serve”…and yes, that’s still perfect service and I don’t judge it. I am also aware certain souls have a purpose and desire to go beyond that. What you radiate out will always be a reflection of what is within…”clean-up and exalt” what is within and you have a “cleaner” and higher vibratory radiation without. To whatever degree and timing you do this is absolutely perfect.

Thank you for the opportunity to respond Monica…and your gentle nature is a blessing to All…bless you and bless All - AwakenedOneness

Thank you for the clarification!
(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  When One accesses the gateway to infinity and goes to higher levels of awareness in the 6th D and 7th D there is no need or utility (or ability) to contain that awareness gain in the mental body or words…except as it may somehow be of help in serving/supporting others. I currently believe the translated descriptions and concepts of awareness are pure folly, and I can be of more service to others by giving tips, guidance, encouragement, faith, hope, trust, etc. Part of my divine mission and service is to help “more fully” awaken wanderers, help them prepare for the gateway by achieving the pre-requisite of Self Mastery, and support them in accessing the gateway if they haven’t…not tell them what it’s like on the other side. In short, you ain’t never gonna “figure it out” in your “brain”, you just gotta go there yourself and get it in awareness!

When you say you have accessed 6D and 7D, are you referring to the same definition of 'density' as described by Ra?

I ask this because I've seen others (usually channels) use similar terminology but in those cases they were actually describing something different.

Are you saying that it's an important function of Wanderers to 'awaken' and 'access the gateway?' (I won't ask what you mean by that, or maybe I already did ask it, sorry! But you just said you don't want to tell us what's on the other side, so I won't ask again.) What I'm asking here is, are you in disagreement with what the Law of One states, regarding the mission of Wanderers?

I hope you don't mind all the questions...just trying to understand your comments.
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RE: Biased view of STS
Hey AwakenedOneness, seems you managed to get yourself inside an "evil" word spiral !
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(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  I personally have closely observed the life of an STS oriented Co-creator who arrived at complete enlightenment. The entity actually graduated (harvested) very quickly and moved on. He is an incredible soul and very advanced. In my personal opinion, he came in this incarnation to try the STS path “just for fun” and the challenge. I think he’d previously graduated and become enlightened using STO path beyond 6th D already. Now, when he passed, the celebration of his life ceremony was attended by over 400 people! The facility overflowed, went into the downstairs where people just listened on speakers. The point being everyone loved and adored him. He was a treasure. His radiance was so bright it touched many. To know him was to love him. He was incredibly loving, humble, quiet, and mediated and prayed for hours daily. He inspired and motivated tons of people to be their best and stretch their limits. He did this by demonstration and an incredible vitality and enthusiasm he radiated. He read spiritual books, was a master artist and athlete. He had a huge heart and much love. He never committed a violent act, crime, or even harsh words to others. He was an impeccable spiritual master. He had “contacts” on higher planes/dimensions he worked with actively. He opened and passed the gateway to infinite regularly. In short, you’d think he was a “saint”. Except this: He was the most selfish person I ever met. He was notoriously selfish. 98% Selfish! At a certain point in his life I don’t think he ever did anything that he didn’t want to do. He never did anything “for anyone else”. If there was no personal desire or something in it for him, he simply didn’t do it. He’d do things that appeared kind like invite you out to dinner, but he’d do it because he wanted the company and didn’t want to go alone. If you didn’t have the money to go, he’d offer to pay, not to “give to you” but so you wouldn’t have an excuse not to go. He’d talk you into going to see a movie he wanted to see, but never go see one with you he didn’t want to see. He spent nearly all his time doing “his thing” in athletics, art, and with women. Now, I’d say that’s clearly an STS orientation wouldn’t you? Nearly all of his energy/attention/love was directed to self. He knew he was one with Creator and one with everyone else, and so he simply knew that any/all love he pointed at himself hit Oneness just the same. If we are one and connected, as I love myself I AM loving you. Again I say it’s a vector my friends, not positive/negative. Much confusion on this thread is mixing a path or vector with polarity or judgments.

Well, far be it from me to use a second hand account to pass "judgement" on another's vibration, but - if you'd entertain the attempt, as a hypothetical in the interests of better understanding polarity - I'd disagree with you totally. But I think there's a lot of misunderstanding of the service to self path, just because it is so extraordinary in third density experience of most of this audience of STO wanderers - at least in its fully polarized, most intense manifestation. I'll share my take on it so you can perhaps provide helpful feedback.

You and I agree that the term "service to self" is more or less a full-blown misnomer. In fact, I can't find the passage, but I remember Ra saying something like (paraphrasing): "In a Creation that is one, all service is to self". That's why it's important to not take the terminology too literally. STS represents a philosophic and energetic configuration at its root - behavior follows from that, but the behavior is not itself the polarity. This is why intention is so important: through the study of one's intent we can better get at the underlying energies surrounding a decision.

Anyway, I think it's clear that from the outpouring of love directed at this person that, regardless of what his intentions were, he provided a great deal of service to other people. Was this his intent? Perhaps not. But it seems unlikely that having touched so many people that he saw them as means to power and control. It just seems hard to believe. To me, the individual you describe is simply not very polarized - or he's a very quiet STO who does his service in an energetic and mental inner capacity.

To me, service to self isn't about taking care of yourself or being merely self-centered. The energetic and philosophic core of service to self is the acquisition of power as a means to be able to direct and order the Creation. It is the idea that service to those otherselves is not a matter of getting them to express their own, unique selves within the Creation, but of getting them to express your own, particular, individual identity - by enslavement, manipulation, etc.

There are certainly lighter shades of this dynamic in our everyday lives, but the above constitutes what I think a polarization towards STS would entail. It's not because I think STS has to be big, bad, and evil - it's just that being big, bad, and evil seems to correlate strongly with this view of the Creator.

Feel free to contradict me - perhaps there are nuances to STS that I do not comprehend which you could teach me!

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  JeremyD: you wrote and are aware of very much. Don’t get a big head, it’s just that I prefer your reflection of myself because I’m a prejudiced jerk Wink

Word. I'm afraid it's too late for me not to get a big head, but I totally get what you mean by "I prefer your reflection". It's all part of the drama, baby!

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  This One resonates most with, and sees great value in, the line you wrote, “Creation is an experiment in what separation would be like if it were possible, right?” Creator’s reply is an emphatic, “Yes, exactly! But it’s more like an experience or ‘game’ of hide and seek I’m playing with myself as I attempt the impossible…fulfillment of a purpose…to know myself.”

That's a great way of putting it. And in that context, one can see why the STS path is so vital to this experiment: STS is the conscious, full potentiation of untruth and falsity. This feels like a weird thing to say, but check it: in a Creation in which all is well, all is one, the only truly new acts of creation left are those that delve into darkness and falsity. It potentiates not only the Creator's complete knowledge of self, but it informs our own STO paths with new nuances we wouldn't be able to experience.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Jeremy, I think if we met in person we’d get along splendidly and waste countless hours in words. I wish to ask if you journey through the gateway though, and to what density/world/dimensions, as some (just a little) of what you write seems still in confusion. That is if you’d feel comfortable sharing any of that. If you’d like to know what exactly, you’d have to ask…not for me to say when unsolicited. Perhaps private emails would be great some day together.

Well, I do think that I demonstrated a bit of confusion in how I approached Chaotikmind, just because I brought some ego into that interaction. But I'd love to talk more with you, and I'd be grateful for any insight you could share concerning the gateway - this is a concept that I'm very aware of intellectually, but I really don't have a conscious experience of it.

I think a lot of my approach to the LoO is informed by reasoning and mental reflection. I need to work a lot on having a more emotional and direct experience of these things.

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(03-01-2009, 06:19 PM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  Hey AwakenedOneness, seems you managed to get yourself inside an "evil" word spiral !

Indeed I have! The devil's in the details right? I blame you for starting the thread! Just kidding Wink
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Words are really terrible things, i just have the feeling that as soon as you write something down someone is reading a different sentence.
It's really more visible when writting, that when you're speaking.

Quote: I blame you for starting the thread!
Hehehe. thanks.
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(02-28-2009, 05:02 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Appleseed, didn’t you mean to say “I’m still living SOME of the questions on SOME levels of being?” This is showing you have a wonderful acceptance of your process and shows no denial or judgment about life and the path of Self Mastery. Your humility is truly great, but you are also divine Wink I’m sure you know that, and I’m not assuming you don’t. One of my teachers once said, “It is time for you to accept your Divinity my beloved.” I pass this on and perhaps it will serve you well.

Yes, I do know that, and I'm not really trying to play "humbler than thou", but in order to accept my divinity I need to come to acceptance of a few things that are still in process. Working on it, and playing with words does seem to help.

(02-28-2009, 05:02 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  How about going beyond the line and seeing the triangle? If the base is the line just described, what/where is the third point and how does it come into play?

I had always thought of the meeting of the opposites as a circle, but the triangle is a clearer image. In terms of being human, laughing and crying at the same time, within the brightest clarity of both. Maybe this is not at all what you mean, but that doesn't really matter, does it?

(02-28-2009, 05:02 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Yes my beloved reflection of Co-creator, it’s “just you”. And/or perhaps several things. As I said in my post, I cannot type in English “words” without their implicit judgments being foisted onto awareness where there actually are none…

Now let's not get too judgmental about judgment. It comes into play each time we make a decision, many times a day. The more interesting question to me is where we cull that judgement from - the heart, the gut, the mind, the awareness of oneness?

(02-28-2009, 05:02 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  it’s a function of “translation” into words, and perhaps “interpretation” or uptake of them through your brain. And yes, sometimes that can point out to the receiver (you) wherein you may have the judgments within yourself. Only you can answer that question, I cannot. It is also a function of my imperfection in use of language…forgive me that Wink If you mean life here in 3rd D as the “most intense experience of separation”, I’d say it’s very intense, but not “the most intense experience”. I’d say it’s a wonderful painting or representation of the actual most intense experience. When you go deep enough you can touch/work with that one itself…you do it here tangentially.


I can see how one should be able to go it deeper tangentially from a place of light and unity, although it is not within my actively remembered experience. There's a definite limit in (my experience of) 3D of the intensity of experience possible to absorb - the human vehicle will start shutting itself down.

(02-28-2009, 05:02 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  
Quote:As to ‘ultimately’ why we’re here, I’d say rather that it’s a ‘primary’ purpose, and one that must be at least “mostly completed” prior to moving on to other soul purposes for incarnation. One refers to it as Self Mastery, the first in a Trilogy if you like, but there is also Self Attainment, and Self Sovereignty – books two and three. Then the ‘ultimate’ reason why we are here would then be the experience of Oneness whilst still in embodiment. However, this last part presupposes much about the particular soul. They are all such unique snowflakes and all have their unique “purposes” which are perfect. I speak then of the ultimate potential, and a literal possibility for some souls.

Personally I believe (in my never-to-be-sufficiently-humble opinion), that I have no judgment about separation. I accept and LOVE it deeply and sincerely. It took me many years to realize this, but I currently am aware that it is an infinite feedback loop of the Creator and Co-creators which provides the foundation for Eternal Life itself as individuated Co-creators. Thus I LOVE it since without it, “I” or my “Soul” would not be able to exist “independently”. Also, it is the great potential for growth and the great teacher.

Yes, this is a better way of putting it than what I originally said. Without separation we wouldn't be here in the first place, experiencing these beautifully frustrating limitations.

[quote='AwakenedOneness' pid='1489' dateline='1235854950']I send blessings of Love and Light to you Appleseed and a blessing of hope that you laugh and play along your way ever more each day! – Awakened Oneness

Thank you!
Blessings, y'all.
(03-02-2009, 10:33 AM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  Words are really terrible things, i just have the feeling that as soon as you write something down someone is reading a different sentence.
It's really more visible when writting, that when you're speaking.

But that's the beauty of it, and why language lends itself as an artform. It's exactly this ambiguity which sometimes can allow you to say more in few words than in many, of course allowing that you will be saying different things to different people.

English is not my native language either, so I often find out what I actually said through feedback, and yes, there is also a place for clarity...
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(03-02-2009, 02:58 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  Now let's not get too judgmental about judgment. It comes into play each time we make a decision, many times a day. The more interesting question to me is where we cull that judgement from - the heart, the gut, the mind, the awareness of oneness?

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking!
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Quote:Now let's not get too judgmental about judgment.

Ha!

Let's be clear about the two connotations we're using when we talk about judgment:

(1) the positive sense, in which we are trying to describe a phenomenon with our conclusion. "I judge a tree to be 30 feet high."

(2) the normative sense, in which we invest an arbitrary, emotional attachment in the conclusion. "I judge you to be an horrible person."

As I said before, it seems pretty obvious to me that Ra introduced the more scientistic terms "STO" and "STS" in order to better describe the energetic and philosophic qualities of the polarities without introducing the emotional attachments to the observation.

This does not mean that the second connotation has no purpose. It is in fact a catalytic aspect of our personality complexes. In the process of figuring out why we put some conclusions in one bucket, other conclusions in another, we are more likely to apply the first connotation of judgment to ourselves so we can arrive at more solid conclusions.

Ra, I believe, wants the seeker to be able to analyze not just the conclusions, but the buckets we put the conclusions in - our concepts of what it means to be "good", what it means to be "bad", etc. In answering these deeper questions, we are more likely to use the accumulated experiences that created the categories in a manner that helps us understand ourselves and benefit from the catalyst found in each construct.

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Beloved Monica and All “Other-Selves”, I greet you in harmony and joy today Wink I write this introduction part a day after I wrote the responses to your questions that follows.

Let me begin with the big picture, as I perceive it. This supercedes any more detailed explanations that follow which by necessity may be more confusing. Thus, whatever follows can be viewed through the lens of this overview: One is. All is One. We are the All (or Manyness) of Creator on an infinite journey through infinity within and creation without…simultaneously. On our journey we ascend to Oneness or Source at the top of the 12th inner world and then birth out into the next inner universe and begin again. It is a journey that cycles through “return to home/source/unity”. The return to home happens both in the outer and inner worlds. You might think of the inner worlds (inner Kingdom) as an infinitely complex matrix or holodeck for our consciousness and awareness to progress through for growth, ascensions and graduations of our Souls individually. The outer worlds can be thought of as the manifested creation (only some physical) where Souls resides and also journey while making their inner journey simultaneously. On the journey through the outer world (at least in 3rd D) we are veiled and confused, but with a perfect and divine purpose to that veiling (both of forgetting and confusion). When we as Co-creators are interacting in this world we are intentionally using these purposes. When we are writing to each other like on this forum, (or speaking to others), in actual fact we are doing several things simultaneously.

Our mental body may “think” or be conscious/aware of doing only one of these things...it is simply confused and unaware. While the mental body (or intellect) may believe it is attempting to eliminate confusion and have understanding of these grand wisdoms and topics we discuss…it is confused about the higher purposes really being served. Confusion is not eliminated by the intellect’s intent or desires…it is increased! Confusion is eliminated (enlightened) by the force of Will of the Creator as drawn into and utilized by the individual Soul! This Divine Will acts on you and through you to bring enlightenment/clarity by utilizing experience, which brings about increases in awareness and leads one back to Source. In incomprehensible and miraculous ways, it can even do this by utilizing the gift of intellect (or one may say ‘inspite’ of it’s limitations).

Thus, the degree to which an entity chooses to actively participate in this process and utilize words/intellect/study to go within for actual experience/awareness (as catalyst) is the degree that enlightenment (dropping of confusion) will occur. Conversely, to the degree an entity resists that process and attempts the folly of intellect to attain what it cannot attain…confusion remains. There need be no judgment about the choice of doing that however, as this resistance is itself a powerful tool. It will only draw ever more powerfully that which is resisted. This serves well. Another way to put this would be to say that when you are utterly exhausted of attempting the impossible…then you will finally surrender…the space and depth of your struggle to overcome confusion using intellect will then catapult you into a great space and depth of enlightenment through experience and awareness. Then you can even smile, laugh and see that from this new plateau…the whole thing was actually an experience unto itself!

And so, in reading (here or anywhere), if your intent and choice is for enlightenment, you must go beyond the intellect and words to get it. Practically speaking then, you can use them constructively as “food for contemplation in awareness” and catalyst. Just read, question within, lightly ponder and drift within…and see what awareness comes as a result. When the mind wants to race you back into logic and thinking and “tempt” you, you can and will either accept, ignore, or reject its offer. It goes without saying that whatever you choose to do is just wonderful Wink It is also important to note that all of the above applies to the writer as well…who has the opportunity to work with writing from intellect, or trying to somehow channel awareness into words as best he may, knowing the words must then pass into the intellect of the reader and hopefully lead to experience and awareness…OMG what a challenge!

Here’s an original quote I wrote that seems fitting here, “For many years I struggled and struggled with a particular thought…I thought that if I could just get to that one powerful magic thought I would unravel all the mysteries of the universe and become enlightened…then one day I actually did…it was: “Just Stop Thinking!!!”

Try to recall it’s a game…just a game…a game with divine purpose, but we are “playing” my beloved. I love to play and am enjoying playing with you. Now, if you want to come play with yourself down the rabbit hole of intellect and confusion as it were, then read on and see how far down you can go! But, you can also come play the game of seeing if you can outfox the intellect and use inner experience through catalyst of words to climb out of the rabbit hole as you read. You can play one side of the table and then the other…you can play it however you wish my love. I’m playing a version called, “If I write the words well enough they construct a rabbit hole where all passages lead to awareness through exhaustion and triumph over intellect by using higher awareness to transcribe in words.” But, the rules of the game stipulate that no matter how well I play/write, only you can eliminate your confusion through choice…you must actively participate.

By accessing the gateway I was able to become aware that basically this post is also a demonstration of “no matter how well it is done/written, and regardless of intention, the inherent limitations of intellect/language cannot be fully overcome by the will of the author/Co-creator…they are only overcome by the choice and will of the reader/Co-creator.” I offer you (and any other reader) the opportunity to demonstrate: “No matter how poorly it is done/written, according to my intention and choice, the limitations and confusion have been overcome by divine will.” That’s probably as much as I can say about it without crossing the line of violating the law of confusion…and I may be pushing the line regardless.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Do you think that assessing something as being energetically STS or STO is the same as judging? Do you see any value in making any assessments, or do you see all assessments as judgment?

Absolutely not! No, assessment and/or discernment is not the same as judgment at all. It is, however, a precursor if One chooses that response. I did not mean to say or imply otherwise. To the contrary, when One’s eyes are open they do “more accurately” and necessarily see/assess. One is well advised to use the gift of discernment and to use it as wisely and powerfully as One can! Assessment may be “accurate/based in truth” or “inaccurate/based on illusion/confusion”. After this precursor of assessment/discernment then something follows…a choice and/or response is made. It is: accepted/judged, ignored/entertained, or resisted/embraced. Assessment need not lead to a choice/response of judgment…but for some it often does…for others it leads to acceptance instead. Some see things clearly and judge them, some see them clearly and accept them, and some see them clearly and resist or ignore them. Some do not see them clearly and do all the same things. Some have their eyes still closed and do not see at all. Is that more clear?

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Do you think that anyone (who is incarnate in 3D) is truly free of all confusion?

Excellent question! Pardon me, I’ve just returned now from going outside for fits of laughter stimulated by attempting to type an answer to your question! LOL still! Wink I just want to say thank you soooo much for that question Monica...it helped make my day! It sent me on a wonderful journey and revealed much in “my” awareness. After deleting my first response for the reasons in the note that follows, I made another…which gave way to the revelations and laughter fits. I deleted it too. All I can type now is: It doesn’t matter what I think. What do you think? Can you free yourself from all confusion? What is the only way you could do that? How long can you maintain it? Can you make it everlasting?

NOTE: I had typed a rather long and extensive response and some new news I was going to report on this topic when what you would call “STS monitoring/probing” occurred. “They” are so cute and funny…God bless “them”! Hey, when the Creator sneezes…does he have to bless himself? Has that joke been told before? I don’t know if I’m recalling it or just now “receiving” it. I decided to delete the full response, but saved a copy.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Therefore, if someone thinks STS as an orientation in and of itself is bad/evil or has pre-determined associations and generalizations about that, then it is WITHIN THEM and being projected outward. More simply put: they are just confused.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Do you think this includes Ra?

I cannot say for sure depending on which part of my sentence you are referring to, so I’ll have to take each one in turn. In my reading/perception of Law of One I did not perceive Ra to be judging STS as an evil/bad orientation in any way…quite the contrary. That is why I found it so refreshing Wink I perceived him to assess it as it is. Ra did give examples of particular entities with atrocious (evil) behaviors, but for me I did not imply that to mean that STS orientation itself was evil or bad. For others it may have had that effect. I do not believe that was Ra’s intention though. I did read many generalizations (which are most always “wrong” – that’s a joke Wink and to whatever degree anyone has generalizations and pre-determined associations they tend (if not must) project them from within onto the object. It is not for me to say to what extent Ra has done this, nor would it be “wrong” for Ra to do so. It simply is as it is. To the last part then, if you meant, “Is Ra confused”…well of course my beloved Wink By residing on 6th D that goes without saying. As previously stated, only in Oneness is there no confusion - and 6th D is not yet fully Oneness…just much closer and less confused than those below. To admit though that one has a “bias” or “preference” or “alignment” does not imply, nor necessitate, judgment, as already related above in first response.
(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Forgive me if I'm not fully understanding you...but can you please clarify? Are you saying that you disagree with Ra's assertion that we must choose a polarity while in 3D? Or is it just that you believe yourself to be above that? If the latter, do you disagree that choosing a polarity is necessary for 3D entities to be harvestable? Are you disagreeing with the very premise of the Law of One as explained by Ra/Q'uo? Or am I misunderstanding you here?

To your questions: no and no. Wasn’t saying those at all. For me, to disagree is a waste of time, energy and related to judgment and resistance. Resistance is futile, yet powerful in drawing the opposite of what One resists Wink One can simply assess and discern and then accept/ignore…One need not resist what is offered by others, but certainly they may choose to.

Yes, just misunderstanding…no problemo, no forgiveness needed Wink In re-reading, it’s hard for me to grasp what was unclear or how to make it more clear. I did try repeatedly and it just got worse. In contemplating your responses I may have come upon both the nature and purpose of your confusion…I’ll explain in next response. My perception is that I was attempting to distinguish between actions/behaviors and some implied direct connection to polarity…you put them back together again and thus confusion ensued. Also, I think I have an incomplete/confused understand of STS orientation/polarity that’s causing me to not quite understand what/who you mean when you use it. When I re-read and saw your response to the next portion, it occurs to me you already understand and agreed with that part, so just apply the same analogy of the child. In this part I was saying it’s the choice/action/behavior (and person?) that would be viewed as “bad/evil”, not the polarity. Hope that helps.

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(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  “Bad/Evil” appearances are related to dysfunctional thought forms, programming of lower natures, judgment and self importance/pride issues…NOT related to the entity itself! It’s like seeing the difference being a child’s “bad” behavior and seeing them as a “bad” child.

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(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Are you saying that there is no true STO or STS polarity at all? That we are all basically the same, a mixture of various motivations and behaviors? Again, I ask if you are disagreeing with the very premise of 3D being The Choice.

To your first question: no. And to your second, no. Below Oneness we are certainly not the same, but beautiful snowflakes of individuation with multitudes of purpose. Even within STO there are multitudes of differentiations of Soul origins, purposes, and experiences. Earth is a “melting-pot” entity/soul wise…unlike many other worlds.

IMPORTANT: Please take my words in the context they were given…in response to many of the writings in the thread which appeared to me to contain judgments about STS in general and entities that choose the STS polarity as a path for their current incarnation (it may be a continuation of their long-time path Wink My intent was to point out there is no need for such judgments…One can simply assess and discern the respective orientations without projecting “good/evil” onto STO/STS orientations. In short, that’s not where things that appear “evil/bad” come from…they are not inherent or intrinsic. Darkness serves the Light, it is only when darkness denies and resists this that appearances of “evil” result. It is not the “nature” of the darkenss, it is the “abuse” of it. They are side-effects and consequences of the entities actions and behaviors as they walk the path. They are the result of choices, not orientations or vectors of service/love. Preference and choice are “fine and dandy” (admittedly poor words implying judgment, but used for convenience sake). But, judgment is an insidious trap and thought form used by STS oriented entities to disable, distract and detour those on the STO path by creating and maintaining separation and thusly making growth to Oneness impossible whilst they are maintained. Again, my intent was to serve others to provide guidance as to how/why they could cease judgment about STS orientation and thus heal their own separation.

More importantly let’s try to get to the core here (as I perceive it). This will take some “time/words”, but may be worth the effort…depending. I think the best way is to take a specific example. Let’s take you Monica, personally, and your radiance of love. I think you would accept you are of STO polarity as an entity and previously stated that means some level of balance and is inclusive of STS in practice, right? Ok, now I’m saying STS is merely a vector or direction that you can choose where to point/radiate your love. As STO you would say you desire and have chosen to point it both directions…both to your Self and to Others. I very humbly and gently submit/offer this to you: You have more of a challenge loving yourself than loving others. You may have a slight “deficit” in your violet thermometer in terms of balance with your heart chakra due to lack of self love. The remedy to this is to use the STS vector to radiate/point more love to yourself Monica. By doing so you will not only increase the balance of your violet rainbow and thusly harvest/graduation probability, but also (as I previously said) be even more empowered to love others more radiantly. In short, your STS action of extending more love to self will increase your STO potential. As STO polarity overall, you are more inclined to do this, not out of desire to graduate, but the latter…your desire to more fully radiate love to others and serve them thusly. Beautiful indeed. See how STS action/vector actually is the “solution” not the “problem” in this case? It’s not inherently a “bad/evil” thing to serve self, it’s all about intent, how it’s used, and applied. It’s about the entity using the vectors and how they do it, not the vectors themselves. I admit again I was confused about the difference between service to self and STS polarized entities as concepts, terms and acronyms.

Now then, taking this personal example, perhaps I can make clear both of my initial statements: what I’m saying is that your lack of self love does not come from STS (actually it comes from lack of using STS action/absorption of love). STS is not some “source” of “bad” things to blame everything on. The lack of self love comes from dysfunctional thought forms, programming of lower natures, self-judgment, and life experiences. To dispel or cease the judgment you must also of course cease to judge others…if you are judging STS polarized entities, how can you do that? You cannot. And thus, if this is the case for you, you are entangled in a web you cannot escape until you let go of all judgment. Since All is One, if you judge yourself you will judge others, if you judge others, you will judge self. You cannot stop one without stopping both. All is One. If you hold judgment you will maintain separation…if you maintain separation you cannot return to Oneness…return to Oneness IMO is the greatest desire of an STO oriented entity…for it knows that from there (or as close as it can get) it can offer the greatest service to others. My offer to you (or anyone reading) is only to look within, I’m not saying this is “true”…that is for you alone to look at and discern: I perceive you to project interpretations onto my words that MAY be stemming from some fundamental confusion or judgment within yourself related to STS polarity and entities. I think that this confusion is coming to the surface to unveil to you a previously hidden or resisted judgment you yet hold. Your Soul desires for you to let go of it in order to end the separation within yourself it is creating and maintaining. You may use Free Choice, Free Will, Infinite Love, and Infinite Wisdom to release it whenever you desire or are ready. If it does serve this purpose for you, then all the time and words were well worth it my beloved…I’m here to serve Wink I perceive that letting go of judgment about “evil” is probably the absolute hardest one to let go of…usually “the last judgment to fall away”.

If I’m just completely off base here about how it appears to you personally, then I’d say that at least it’s a good “general” example of things that perhaps any/all can make use of. I also can see that perhaps you may be serving as my mirror to do the exact thing I just described for me…if so, thank you so much! Could even be both. I trust both of our process with it. Certainly, it’s provided me an opportunity to sort and distill certain awareness of mine into the mental body…definitely a big thank you for that Wink

Now, I do see that an STS polarized entity has quite a challenge in being able to vector love and light to himself to a large enough degree to graduate/be harvested. I do see that an STS entity has myriads of pitfalls on his chosen path due to temptations of manipulation, greed, power over others, etc. which may result in guilt, self judgment. – the affect being that the entity would then have enormous difficulty loving itself and thus be thwarted in graduation. I do see most probably “fall”, and the farther they “fall” their downward spiral into darkness and separation ensnares them further. An STS path must be walked impeccably with temptation abounding all the while. None-the-less, it can be done. I’ve seen it myself first-hand. It must be incredibly rare indeed. Maybe this was more akin to an STS path walked by one who was certainly not an STS polarized entity as you would term it. I’ve also seen a mid-life switch in orientation occur…all can choose each day…the Creator’s love, light, and door to Unity/Home remains always open. Regardless of how long walks away into darkness / independence, the Creator’s love and light shines upon their backs with eternal patience. I do see that the STS path is slower. NOTE: I wrote and had to delete a beautiful continuation down this line into higher awareness and realms revealed on the other side of the gateway…I saved it to a file for myself though. Here’s the ending: It is all perfect, divine, and as it is. It is all One…All are One…One is Wink

Pardon me, but I’m still learning discernment in what are violations of the Law of Confusion (as I perceive it, though I never read it being explained in Law of One…was it on prior transcripts to those in the book?) I do believe it was revealed to me completely and perfectly none-the-less. For me, I’d put it this way: The awakened Adept or Co-creator has no desire and would not even dream of lifting the veil of another Co-creator about some awareness/revelation by use of words written or spoken. The reason is that the divine purpose of placing the veil is so that it can/will only be lifted by going through the gateway to infinity and getting the awareness directly. All the “great stuff” must be experienced directly in awareness…each soul truly desires to “get it on their own and in their own time”…for Self Mastery and their own divine purposes. Otherwise it shortcuts growth and experience…the gems we came to this planet for in the first place. Also, I think there is something about the Creator hiding things and a “failsafe” if you will. Like in Aladin where “only the pure/worthy” may open this. Thus words and mental transfers are relegated to function as I’ve already said…to encourage, support, inspire, guide, heal, prepare and assist others in going through the gateway themselves. To violate this is to (in my experience) incur what I call a “cosmic spanking”. It falls into the category of coming from abuse of power and self-importance. It serves only the self, not the other. Worse yet, it’s actually an incredibly offensive disservice to the other. Ouch! I’ve had enough spankings already Wink I will endeavor to use detailed words only in relation to that which remains on this side of the gateway and my forays into it.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  In the one/highest reality there are no “bad guys”, there is no “evil entity”, there is only Creator expressing in individuated Co-creators. But, in confusion, forgetting and the illusion of separation, entities do perceive there to be bad guys and evil. They do this by utilizing a marvelous faculty called judgment. If you have judgment within, it’s going to color/filter what you perceive without. But, it’s not out there…it’s in you...it’s not ultimately real…it’s your perception in duality.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  By saying it's not real, not out there but 'in you' isn't that also duality? To say something is 'not' such-and-such implies duality...isn't that a judgment in itself? Do you think that if something is in you it cannot also be 'out there?'

You have a knack for combining things Wink I said the “evil guys” way of perceiving Creator doesn’t make “evil guys” really real. There are no “evil” beings. My “it’s not out there” wasn’t referring to that, it was referring to the judgments that make it appear so. I would not say/accept that duality implies judgment. It appears you made some weird connection between duality and judgment I don’t comprehend. Are these two connected in some way in your mind? If so, I strongly encourage you to untangle that mess or you will never be free. You may be confined to duality for a long time, but you need not be confined to judgment...remember it is the primary force of separation. Duality exists one step down from unity and below…you can’t change that…you can transcend it by returning home to the Source. But, judgment is always an option in every moment and something you create and choose. If there is no connection between the two in your mind, then please ignore me and pardon my “poor” assessment.

I concede that if One uses the word “not” then duality is implied/assumed, yeah even imposed. I already conceded English is a horrible language for discussing such matters…and also the mental body is really no place for them either…we are just playing with each other trying to do what cannot be done when we type to each other like this Monica…have fun and realize it’s a “game” that cannot be “mastered”, but we still want to improve our skills anyway and try to use them to encourage, support, increase desire, motivate, and serve each other Wink Please try to see/read beyond the dualism and implied judgment of English to the intent and meaning of what I’m trying so hard to put from higher awareness into words and minds what just won’t “fit” there. I’m by no means near “perfect” at doing this daunting thing.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  I submit that it is both. We are holographic and mirror to one another.

Finally! No confusion here on either side…nothing but net (agreement) Wink I simply want to add though that although we can and do serve as mirrors for each other…I find what I call a “fine line” with mirrors. Some folks have a distortion about it IMO. Just be sure to know that often mirrors serve more to “bring up within you” emotions or responses, than to exactly reflect an “issue” or behavior that you have. I don’t have to wait until everyone is healed for me to be healed (individually at embodied or soul level…maybe the Creator himself in 1st person does haha) But I do have to wait until: no matter what they reflect to me, I only see them as Co-creator and respond only then with unconditional love.

The greater point you make is about the hologram. When you are fully aware of the hologram and work with experiencing it directly (and I’m not talking about intellectual knowledge of it) then you will realize the totality of what is within you. I advise all to proceed slowly and carefully with these intricacies. On both sides of the polarity within (light/dark) you will find challenges where you least suspected them and draw powerful lessons you may not be ready for in linear time/life…ultimately you are ready…but your worldly life may go into chaos...balance and patience are key here. Remember never to battle the shadow or darkness my beloveds!!! Darkness battles against Light. It is one sided and folly. Higher Light does not battle darkness…it accepts it, loves it, laughs at it, and transmutes it into Light or just watches it flee from it’s very presence and radiance. This is the way of the Lightworker.
(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Again, please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but you seem to be implying that any sort of discerning of 'otherness' or rejecting of any qualities is not cool.

Do you see any value in assessing qualities and choosing to not resonate with those particular qualities? For example, is Q'uo being 'judgmental' or 'confused' when they say "The STS path is a bloody path...We are not of those...We are of the radiant path" (paraphrased) ...? Is this confusion? Bias? Judgment?

I imply nothing. I discussed discerning early on, so that should now be clear that it’s more than cool! As to “rejecting”…it has a feel of resistance and seems to me the same. So I would say indeed I advise you to not “reject” any “other” as obviously you would be rejecting the Creator and thus yourself. Simply accept, ignore, or resist/reject as you choose. As mentioned, resistance is futile but valuable and only brings in stronger what you are attempting to resist. Which turns out to be wonderful in the end. Key: you can change your mind at any time and accept what you are resisting…it’ll be “less traumatic” the sooner you do, but it will be even more powerful and contain more growth the longer you wait…either way you win! I think I recall in Law of One there is something about when you “get the growth from the catalyst” the need for the catalyst is fulfilled and therefore you no longer need to magnetically attract an external experience to provide the growth. Apply that here to resistance and know that if you want ease in life, get this thing soon…or simply know and expect you will create a powerful catalyst of external experience to get it later. But when you truly get this is how it works…you can even laugh and have incredible gratitude for the “bad/tough” experiences in life because of the great growth and empowerment they yield. I laughed and gave great gratitude myself today for a whopper of an experience/adventure I created for myself. It looked and felt absolutely horrible…I could not fathom how/why I could create such a mess/experience…today I understand that perfectly and rejoice in it.

I intended to mean One can accept what is, and do so without judgment. If you put your statements and possible confusion in the earlier context of example to you personally, I’d humbly and gently offer that you are rejecting/resisting STS orientation as something other than the Creator playing with himself or architecting a divine creation. Thus will then draw it unto you in some form or semblance. If indeed you are doing this (again it’s just a thought I had…I’m not saying this is true for you), you are doing this with great purpose and reason Monica, IMO you want to drop your judgments and resistance to your shadow and so are externalizing them. Remember the hologram though Monica…and if you apply this entire post to the hologram within…you can get great growth by seeing that STS polarity and entities are perfectly mirrored to you by your relationship with the shadow within. You reject/resist them without due to what you hold within. Your Soul’s desire is to clean up the judgments of, and resistance to, the shadow within. They are your mirror. When you drop the resistance and judgment, your only response to STS polarity will be acceptance and love…this is how you will know you are “done” with it. As we said about which must come first…doesn’t matter…you can drop your judgments about “them” and the ones within about your shadow will drop…or vice versa, or simultaneously, or ebb/flow between. Given your strong STO orientation, I’d assume you’ll stop judging them and start loving them as service to others and then receive the benefit within yourself as a consequence. Given your person challenge of extending love to yourself, personally I’d advise the opposite and try a vector of self love this time…this may benefit your violet thermometer more that way Wink Regardless of your choice, the outcome is the same. Besides, my advice is free and you get what you pay for Wink

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Do you see any value in assessing qualities and choosing to not resonate with those particular qualities? For example, is Q'uo being 'judgmental' or 'confused' when they say "The STS path is a bloody path...We are not of those...We are of the radiant path" (paraphrased) ...? Is this confusion? Bias? Judgment?

Assessing qualities? Yes, I see some value in that. I prefer to focus on my path rather than those in opposition though…but I’m not ignorant of them by any means. You cannot “choose to resonate” with qualities. You either do or do not resonate. What you choose is what path/orientation you wish to walk and how you do it. The statement is confusion, bias, and judgment…but not in the way you are asking me to answer Wink Let me explain/expand:

The term “bloody” may be viewed as either a statement of fact / assessment, or as a veiled judgment depending upon the source…I will say it’s a very “loaded” and graphic word and will likely serve to conjure judgment and “negative” images in the minds of readers more that a different choice of words would have. Whether judgment occurs is up to the reader/receiver…if there is none within them…no judgment will occur in response to the word. If they hold judgment, they will likely project their judgment onto the use of the word and the meaning intended. This of course will lead to creation of a certain amount of separation and reduction in love for that reader. Personally, I would first give Q’uo the benefit of the doubt that judgment was not intended or present within Q’uo when the statement was made. If I read it, I would not see it as judgmental, I’d see it as fact. It would not move me from my love, nor increase my separation. They made a choice…while I’ll not judge their choice of words, if it had been me I’d have chosen a different word to avoid the potential for confusion and judgment to enter my reader’s mind in an attempt to spare them the separation that naturally results. I don’t judge their choice because I know that even if it brings up judgment in the reader…that’s a “good” thing because it will unveil a judgment to the readers who have them within so that they may be released and thus decrease their separation. It will have no affect on the reader who has no judgment. Ultimately it’s a choice they made, but it’s a win either way. Again, it does not matter, it’s all good, it all serves, the Logos Physics have a miraculous way of always resolving everything perfectly. Isn’t that wonderful? There are no mistakes, nothing can go wrong…umm how many ways can I say it? We can go round and round my dear, it will always end up the same: The Creator always wins Wink It’s his creation!

NOTE: I do consider this one example of a limitation/shortcoming for channeled work coming from entities that have not incarnated on Earth and are unfamiliar with our language, judgments and experiences here. It’s a double-edged sword. Sometimes that allows us to go beyond our language…sometimes it has unintended affects. They also lack personal experience of our unique “melting pot” of souls and the prevalence of darkness upon the earth plane. From “there” it seems so simple/easy. They also seem less able to give practical advice on how to apply the wisdom in everyday life and to specific situations. This doesn’t mean at all I’m saying it isn’t wonderful and valuable assistance. But, it is why I personal chose my divine mission…to come down here myself, wake up, and be able to give similar wisdom, but combined with Earth plane experience and practical and applicable methods of implementation. But of course I wouldn’t have gotten to where I am without their assistance, and that of my guides and incredible teachers…5 of the most incredible teachers in all of creation Wink I am eternally grateful and blessed to have them.

In general, if I read more and more from Q’uo (or any author or source) and found this to be occurring repeatedly, then I’d probably start thinking there was judgment present in Q’uo and it was coming out/through in the writing…as opposed to a “poor choice of words”. Again, I’ve no “problem” with bias as I understand the word…I relate to that word as “preference” or “favored choice”. As long as that choice is favored because it “feels better” or “resonates” it would lead to a state of bias. If however the choice is made because the alternative is “wrong/bad”, then that would be exercising judgment. and thus lead to separation. NOTE: I think I’ve only read 1 or 2 Q’uo things on the recent or weekly transcripts, so I’ve not much “feel” for it.

(02-28-2009, 07:58 AM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  This is exactly what is so darn wonderful and refreshing about the LOO material…it is what is so freeing! It provides a way to let loose enormous joy and love…to radiated it unrestricted…for there is no need to withhold it from “anyone” or anywhere. You are free to love all unconditionally because you no longer feel any need to withhold love from those who don’t “deserve” it…the “evil ones”. Beyond this even, there actually aren’t even “evil/bad/negative” acts or behaviors, it’s just that 3rd D people choose to perceive them as such. It’s all a function of level of awareness and vibratory frequency.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  I'm in total agreement that radiating joy/love to everyone is the thing to do...Ra/Q'uo have frequently reiterated that. However, the idea of withholding love from one who is perceived as 'evil' is contrary to the teachings of the Law of One...

Exactly! That’s why I was pointing out that the judgment or perception of “evil ones” results in withholding love…which is not “ideal” or “desirable” to a Lightworker or STO entity. This is why STO entities must drop those judgments about “evil” and go beyond them to acceptance and unconditional love.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  it is in the cases of STS 'greeting' that it is perhaps most important to respond in love...Are you saying that it is a mistake to recognize the motivation/polarity of another entity who is seeking to influence you in some way?

If I understand you right, then an emphatic NO, I’m not saying that at all…how could you perceive that from reading my words? Forgive the crassness, I do this for dramatic effect and to convey critical importance: you damn well better know the motivations and polarity of every/any entity seeking to influence you in any way!

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Can you please define 'through the gateway' ...? Thanks!

I’ll go further than that. Awareness of individual Soul aspect normally confined to the physical embodiment and mind disengaging from mind/personality/body and moving completely into the 5th/throat/blue ray chakra which is a portal/gateway which then allows the awareness to travel or journey to other worlds and/or dimensions (Ra would call them densities) in any number of “bodies” commensurate with the destination. This can take one either to the 12 Inner Worlds/Kingdoms or to the 7 Outer Worlds/cretion. Technically they are worlds on planes and have dimensions within them. Some people use the words interchangeably. If one journeys for example to the 5th worlds / density which are etheric, they will utilize their etheric body (sometimes called the light-body) to do so as it is the 5th body. The awareness goes from the embodiment, then into and then “through the gateway”, (perhaps like water down a drain) and enters the etheric body which then may take flight. Commonly it is intercepted by one of the Soul’s council of twelve personal guides to accompany it on an “outer world” journey. You would be wise to pray and request this prior to any/all journeys. They likely always have one of them watching you anyways. But you always have free choice and guides don’t like to over-ride it. So, use it to give them permission. Sometimes the traveling body is seen and “intercepted” or greeted by others who sometimes volunteer as guides or teachers…hopefully that is. Other encounters may include what you would call STS entities. Mostly your guides and Soul control things such that you never encounter them…you simply don’t go where they are. I’ve never encountered one on 5th and above, I have encountered them. Fortunately, even if you encounter one you aren’t “messed” with or “battled” above 4th D…you may be tested, confronted, deceived or tempted however. You do have the option to “grab/hold” them and ask questions. There are many gatekeepers. They can be challenging. If you can’t “pass” them…you ain’t going on…period.

If One journeys to the inner worlds you have an incredible opportunity to actually travel into your own Higher Self directly. Obviously you may consult, contact and connect with your Higher Self while conscious in body and not journeying. This experience of actually going into it is quite different. You also can have the opportunity for the Soul Aspect that you are to actually re-enter the totality of your own Soul. There is also beyond that…and beyond the beyond ad infinitum. You may also move up/down through several bodies and densities in a single journey. You could also dispense with the words and descriptions of the various “bodies” and see it as just an increase in vibrational frequency…a flowing transition to appropriate frequency for the destination.

In particular, you will move back down through them all in order to re-enter your physical embodiment. Primarily this is done to allow integration, decoding and recall to be done slowly. …bear “in mind” that since this all takes place in awareness only, the brain and mind do not function there at all. Your awareness and consciousness are present in the moment, but the experiences are “decoded” and “remembered” in the mind/brain/mental body only as and upon return. You end up therefore with two “versions” of the experience…the direct one and the recalled one. Sometimes you can remember both, sometimes just the decoded version, and rarely just the actual experience which you then must attempt to decode/transfer into brain whilst conscious.

Fortunately, since you don’t have your brain to contend with and you are using higher bodies and higher awareness…all of this that reads quite complicated is in fact and in practice incredibly simple…even natural…it requires no “thought” or directing. Decoding is incredibly difficult and results in great distortions. Again, awareness and experience do not “fit” properly in the human mind/brain…they are only interpreted and translated there…and somewhat poorly at that. Recall is incredibly difficult due to this. Many likely journey and never recall or decode it into mind when they first begin. They benefit during conscious states as the awareness gain/experience basically “drops” in or “pops” in “out of nowhere”.

Journeying on the 4th D does not require accessing the gateway to infinity or going through it. 4th D is the Astral realm. There, One will likely encounter very “nasty” entities, there is nowhere to visit since you will only be in Earth’s Astral plane…other 3rd D planets will have their own…you can’t go there from your Astral body. I can confirm there are indeed battles there. Rookies do battle there…most often all recall is intentionally veiled and blocked by Soul so that trauma does not result to the conscious mind upon return. Also it is blocked so the entity does not relish or attach to the concepts of battle and begin to see himself as “good guy fighting evil”. Sometimes when people awaken totally exhausted and in a bad mood, and have no recall of dreams…this is precisely what has occurred. Lightworkers/Wanderers don’t want to go play on the Astral plane.

Within any density/level in the outer world journeys, you may visit any world or system on that level (given the experience to navigate of the individual and potentials of the guide). Also, provided you pass the gatekeepers. For example, whilst traveling in your etheric body you could go to any etheric or 5th D world. If you got into your spirit body you could travel to Venus and visit it’s 6th D “version” and consult with Ra directly. I have strong intuition that One may only journey to a level or density to which their Soul has evolved or graduated in the sum of it’s parts or perhaps your personal aspect/fragment. This may actually apply to only the Inner Kingdom or to the outer worlds, or both…I do not know. If therefore your Soul Aspect has only graduated to 5th D…you aren’t going to be able to journey beyond that. I do not know this to be fact. It makes sense that you cannot go beyond where you are. This description is only partly based on reliable sources, and mostly on personal experiences. The wording and descriptions are how I personally integrate and relate to it in my mind and I make no claims about any of this being “accurate” to how any other entity would describe it.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  When you say you have accessed 6D and 7D, are you referring to the same definition of 'density' as described by Ra? I ask this because I've seen others (usually channels) use similar terminology but in those cases they were actually describing something different.

Perhaps my above description of through the gateway cleared that up…perhaps not. In short, I do not know if it’s the same definition. This topic can never be “cleared up” And yes, they all seem to use different words for same things and same words for different things. I will type up a bit of the description from the authority on the subject. If anyone can clear the matter up it would be him. Even he gives two different systems as they pertain to “The seven worlds of Ascension” which is somewhat simplified and relates to the outer worlds of creation that corresponds to the density system Ra speaks of, and “The Circle of Oneness illustrating the Spiral of Infinity”…kinda the map of creation as you journey it in consciousness within the Kingdom within. It is all one ultimately though and certainly strongly related or intertwined. It’s too complex to really “get” in words, but when you see the diagram it’s not too bad…still boggling though.

I relate and use the former and they go World ONE-Physical, TWO-Mental, THREE-Emotional (you can then relate that to our planet being 3rd D as containing the physical/mental/emotional body complex) then FOUR-Astral, FIVE-Ethereal, SIX-Spiritual, and SEVENTH-Soulic. After that it passes to the next “universe”.

The other one is based on 12 worlds, and refers to them as inner worlds of consciousness. But he says it is only an illustration and that “there are no mathematics to explain infinity” He also says things like: “Remember that there are worlds within worlds, systems within systems, universes within universes, and omniverses within omniverses. Everything spirals from the center of the Source and all worlds in graduated order—something like a loving chain reaction.” Each of the 12 worlds has 12 sectors within it for a total of 144 sectors. A single sector has 12,000 dimensions, 12,000 realms, and 12,000 degrees of angelic glory. The full description of it is a fascinating read. When you are done your head spins. Personally I gave up any need for any intellectual understanding of these topics and quite simply put: I don’t care anymore Wink

I’ve pinpointed my soul’s location/progress and know where I’m off to next. I see where Earth is and where it’s going next. Somehow I can navigate the whole thing perfectly in awareness as I journey through infinity within and the worlds without, but have limited comprehension of any mental system to categorize it all in my mental body. That’s all fine by me and doesn’t bother me a bit Wink It does occur to me that perhaps it’s just so complex that most channeled sources cannot describe it either…thusly they all resolve to give simplified “systems” or concepts for mental usage in our brains…none of them exactly accurate. The other alternative is even funnier…the channeling ones (not the authority of course) themselves can’t conceive/comprehend it, and don’t want to admit it Wink

Honestly though, the best I can tell you is that the human brain has great difficulty imagining non-physical things. When you think “worlds” and “universe” you are going to picture stars and planets and galaxies because your brain associates those images in it’s neural networks associated to the words. When you think of entities you are going to picture some sort of body or form. Quite simply put: it’s just not like that! It’s more like an incredibly complex holographic matrix system of infinite complexity arranged in some weird spiral infinite loop toroid thing with interconnections between the rings of the spiral and lattices throughout. The entities are just little sparks of light that bounce around differently and appear differently depending on what ring of the spiral they are on. It seems the brain lacks any similar enough images or representations to allow you to imagine it and certainly lacks the computing power to comprehend it. You can observe and see etheric/light bodies though, but even they can change based on how the entity wishes to present itself…non-formed they look more like some modern art glowing string blob with an aura. If you read lots of Quantum Physics for a while, you can begin to start imagining it all better…but it’s a waste of precious linear time as graduation/harvest rapidly approaches. My advice though is to do as I did and simply ignore it. Infinite creation is just not going to fit into your brain…however you attempt to do so will not be “right”…in the end there is no “great” way to picture or describe the worlds, densities, dimensions, realms, planes and how they all interconnect.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  Are you saying that it's an important function of Wanderers to 'awaken' and 'access the gateway?' (I won't ask what you mean by that, or maybe I already did ask it, sorry! But you just said you don't want to tell us what's on the other side, so I won't ask again.) What I'm asking here is, are you in disagreement with what the Law of One states, regarding the mission of Wanderers?

I do not know what Law of One states regarding the “mission of Wanderers”. I have not read the Wanderer’s Handbook either. So, I cannot comment on that. Since I do not know, you may take what I say and compare the two and see if they match or not…and then accept/ignore as you see fit. If they are not Wanderers themselves, I would humbly suggest to you that I am in a much better position to comment on the matter…as I am one and have wandered far and wide for eons. I would say in general that we wander for a variety of functions, missions and purposes. We are, as all Souls are, as diverse as snowflakes my beloved. Generalized ones would include: advancement/evolution of our own growth towards unity by exploring multiple worlds and thusly gathering a diversity of experiences and opportunities for growth; collection and learning of specialize knowledge available on the respective and specific worlds that focus on them; answering calls to service and being sent on specific and divine missions by way of appointment by the Father/Mother Creator or certain other overseers or executives of universes (usually selected for, and drawing upon, that specialized knowledge and abilities attained in previous wanderings; active service to others and participation on worlds approaching graduation/harvest; pure fun, play, curiosity, and adventure; some are really into observation of how others go through experiences, but they typically do not “incarnate” to 3rd D to do so…they do exchange “protection” and “radiance” with the observed person in exchange for being able to “eavesdrop” or “watch”. This is by mutual consent. It all depends on the Wanderer my beloved. Some are just beginning to wander and Earth may be their first destination, some have wandered a fair amount, others have wandered long and far. You really can’t “generalize” a wanderer’s mission accept to say “to serve”, or more specifically: To love themselves, to love others, and to love what they do. They do tend to “awaken” faster than native 3rd D “people” and thus often help awaken others preceding graduation/ascension/harvest. This is probably a primarily mission/purpose for many current wanderers to Earth at this point in linear time.

As to: important to “ 'awaken' and 'access the gateway?” I’d say that it’s important for all to awaken. Depending on the specific wanderer and his/her mission it may or may not be important to access the gateway. Certainly if they do, they will be more “effective/empowered” in whatever they do…as would anyone who does so. For this wanderer and his mission, it was not only important to do so, it was critical to my divine mission…without access I would “fail” in my particular divine mission and several sub-components of it…as well as other parts of my master plan for this incarnation.

(03-01-2009, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  I hope you don't mind all the questions...just trying to understand your comments.

I didn’t mind all the questions at all. They were wonderful and powerful in effect for me at least. I hope they are for you (even if you were just testing/discerning me Wink. I somewhat minded the responding part though Wink It’s all a process and it’s all good. I would not have done it had I perceived no value in it. Remember my beloved that any of that “personal example” stuff that doesn’t pass your self-assessment and discerning…you just ignore it and treat it as if I was just talking in generalities. I personally don’t like it when someone “get’s me wrong” about some issue they think I have and then tries to counsel me about it…(didn’t mean to do that to you), though sometimes I find they are indeed correct and I was really just resisting and not seeing what I’d ignored within me for so long.

I sincerely desire Monica that it helped with your “understanding”, but more importantly for me is that it served you and/or others who read it to decrease their judgment and separation, increase their hope, faith, belief, desire, and will to go forth into action and experience of walking the direct path within…to where they find their own “answers” and to perhaps journey even further…leaving the busy mind behind and taking flight in awareness to explore the beyond…returning then to integrate that heightened awareness and experience into their embodiments and go forth in humble service to all as an expression and alignment of the Creator’s Divine Will…being forever about their Father/Mother Creator’s business…and fulfilling their Soul’s divine purpose and missions accordingly. Blessing to All as One. In Love, Light, Law, Life and Laughter – Awakened Oneness.
(03-02-2009, 07:04 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:  Ha!

Let's be clear about the two connotations we're using when we talk about judgment:

(1) the positive sense, in which we are trying to describe a phenomenon with our conclusion. "I judge a tree to be 30 feet high."

(2) the normative sense, in which we invest an arbitrary, emotional attachment in the conclusion. "I judge you to be an horrible person."

The whole response was nice Jeremy. Personally I think a better idea is to use two different words and thus end the confusion and quibble when discussion metaphysics. I did this in my response to Monica by using the alternate words she brought up: Asses and Discern. You can use others:

1) I reckon/discern/asses/see/think/say/estimate/guess that tree to be about 30ft.
2) Man that’s an ugly tree! (implied judgment)

1) I discern this judgment no longer serves me as it once did and choose to let it go.
2) Judgment is bad.
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03-02-2009, 10:48 PM,
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AwakenedOne, thanks for sharing. All that stuff about accessing the gateway sort of went over my head, so I'll decline from commenting further.

I am curious, though, as to where you came from. (You said you came here on a mission.)
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03-03-2009, 05:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-03-2009, 05:21 AM by AwakenedOneness.)
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(03-02-2009, 10:48 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  AwakenedOne, thanks for sharing. All that stuff about accessing the gateway sort of went over my head, so I'll decline from commenting further.

I am curious, though, as to where you came from. (You said you came here on a mission.)

Your very welcome my beloved. I prayed for a short reply from you Wink It is well that the stuff about “through” the gateway went over your head Wink Perhaps you outfoxed your intellect. As I said, you won’t need your head for that part.

“Accessing”, or gaining the ability to access it, is actually another topic, and an important one where you will want and need your head though, as it relates to ways you will want to use your intellect as one tool to Self Mastery (5th Chakra and below) to assist in transmutation of all negativity, judgments, fears, thought forms and “issues” within your lower self which are what prevent/block you from access. I’ll likely start a thread on the topic…it relates directly to my plan/mission for this incarnation.

As to your curiosity…didn’t that kill a bunch of cats? Wink Where I came from? If you mean just prior to coming to Earth, I haven’t a clue...I have been here so long I have forgotten and not yet recalled. If you mean originally, as far as I am aware I didn’t come from any particular “world” if that’s what you mean. Perhaps a bit of an oddity, I was conceived in space outside of a specific world though. I am truly a Wanderer with no “home world”. I have two lovely homes: a mobile home wherever I’m at as I wander, and my eternal home at Source. My Cosmic Father is a space commander and my Cosmic Mother is the overseer of a world/planet. I am aware of more specifics about them both. But, I resist the temptation to tell further in order to serve my humility, in recognition that further explanation would only serve my self-importance and yield no valuable service to you or others.

Much love and blessings to you…I’ll be off the grid for a time out playing in Papa’s creation and serving it, but I’ll return. Thank you again Monica for the wonderful opportunity and service you provided me!! I wish I had time and words to explain how incredibly powerfully you’ve served me. Know that I am eternally grateful to you. I owe you ONE Wink LOL – Awakened Oneness
PS - As some linear time progresses (maybe a few months) you may get value from re-reading my final post/response...you may discover things in there then due to your awareness being in a different place.
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03-03-2009, 07:43 AM,
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Quote:Appleseed
There's a definite limit in (my experience of) 3D of the intensity of experience possible to absorb

The things that the physical vehicule can endure are completly amazing IMO.


Quote:AwakenedOneness
I’ve also seen a mid-life switch in orientation occur…all can choose each day…

Yes, as you can make you energy point wherever you want, everything is possible after all. "Impossible" is just part of the illusion. there is no rules as we usually understand the word "Rule" .


Quote:AwakenedOneness
Here’s the ending: It is all perfect, divine, and as it is.

I grasped that one long ago, drugs are sometime helpful as i said in an earlier post.
But even if i got the "pointer" it's hard to keep that in mind everytime.
One needs to be quite awaken for that concept to flow in life.

Quote:AwakenedOneness
it can/will only be lifted by going through the gateway to infinity and getting the awareness directly

Very obviously

I would really like to be able to access that more often,
it's quite out of my conscious control for now, happening mostly during "peaks" or hallucinogenic use .
I certainly want to much to be able to control it AT WILL , it needs to be more integrated and flowing.

Quote:Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
I submit that it is both. We are holographic and mirror to one another.

Quote:AwakenedOneness
Finally! No confusion here on either side…nothing but net (agreement)

For those who had access to higher awareness states, i guess there is no discussion to be made on that one.
IT's helpful to see the other as a mirror because we're just a distortion of the same thing.

Quote:AwakenedOneness
and I’m not talking about intellectual knowledge of it

IMO there is no intellectual knowledge about this, but i could be wrong.

Quote:AwakenedOneness
I imply nothing. I discussed discerning early on, so that should now be clear that it’s more than cool! As to “rejecting”…it has a feel of resistance and seems to me the same. So I would say indeed I advise you to not “reject” any “other” as obviously you would be rejecting the
Creator and thus yourself..................

Should i add (that's the way i feel it) that most people try to avoid/reject "Evil" person because they fear and forbid themselves to think about evil/horrible things?
If one allows that kind of thinking, it certainly bring more understanding of the inner self, and at the same time release yourself from it.
You can see the potential Killer, the beast, the animal that is inside.
Of course i did not mean it was good to sustain the focus on that, especially if it was not done before.


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Journeying on the 4th D does not require accessing the gateway to infinity or going through it. 4th D is the Astral realm. There, One will likely encounter very “nasty” entities, there is nowhere to visit since you will only be in Earth’s Astral plane…other 3rd D planets will have their own…you can’t go there from your Astral body. I can confirm there are indeed battles there. Rookies do battle there…most often all recall is intentionally veiled and blocked by Soul so that trauma does not result to the conscious mind upon return. Also it is blocked so the entity does not relish or attach to the concepts of battle and begin to see himself as “good guy fighting evil”. Sometimes when people awaken totally exhausted and in a bad mood, and have no recall of dreams…this is precisely what has occurred. Lightworkers/Wanderers don’t want to go play on the Astral plane.

I have a personnal question about that , if you don't mind to answer, and if you have an eventual answer.
I was used to astral travel as it started to happen early in my life, it simply poped out from nowhere without reason when i was 14 the first
time:
Two years ago i guess i had a very strange experience,i was starting to be very confident with astral travel at that moment, and it seems the access shutdown, and in a strange manner, since i tried more than 15 times and i was simply unable to go nowhere, as soon as i "go out" i'm like in and overpressured area whith a kind of completly horrible and unsustainable vibration (sorry for the very imprecise picture).
It's rare i ask advices like that, but on that one if any has any clue, i take it.




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Ahhh time the only thing that is precious but we have in infinite quantity, so weird paradox, maybe we're too much in a hurry ?
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03-04-2009, 02:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-04-2009, 02:38 AM by AwakenedOneness.)
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ChaoticMind,

Firstly, let me express my deep gratitude to you for starting this thread and for contributing so much to everyone here. I feel many have grown much through the exchange…I certainly have. I seek to give/serve back to you as well. Feel my love for you brother! Secondly, in re-reading many of your early responses in order to attempt to answer your latest question about the astral travel, I clearly see you are an incredibly wise and intelligent man indeed! You show clear insight and great awareness. You are far along your path and seem to walk it with commitment and conviction. I commend you for walking it impeccably (without corruption into “evil/bad” behaviors) which is a key challenge for your path given the temptation for abuse of power.

As to the advice you seek then about the “failed attempts or shutting down of astral travel”, I advise you to strongly think, consider, reflect, meditate, and seek guidance about the experience you describe in your first post:

ChaoticMind: “Do you realize that we feel the same things as STO when feeling the raw power of the source? (years ago before knowing about TLOO i used to call intelligent energy the source) I guess most of you never felt that, being surrounded by light for hours, reward of a pretty long , intensive , and chaotic path for me... filled with raw power for month before the feeling fades .”

Try asking your soul/higher-self/spirit or Unity/Oneness/God to give you further understanding about these experiences in sober meditation/silence. Much may be revealed. That is if you do such practices. I’m so used to the STO orientation it’s hard for me to get out of my box. If you don’t do these, then use your genius intellect, ponder, contemplate, consider, reflect and analyze part.

There is also these “bids for power”. And as you well know and wrote about the callings/contacts, they come with a heavy price…often destructive. I believe you still have side-effects. These relate to the feelings you got when you attempted the 15 times.

The way I see it is this: There is basically a “struggle for your soul” going on. Your soul may very well have chosen an STS polarity path, but I believe it has in mind for this incarnation to NOT be controlled by anyone (other entities/non-physical beings) that would try to keep it separate from it’s journey back to unity/source/oneness. Instead, it desire’s and has will for you to “do it all yourself” because it very well knows the potential dangers of any reliance on “others”. It desires to be harvested/graduate. You clearly stated your intent and knowledge/wisdom in this regard. Short advice is the same you gave yourself: rely only on your self, Soul, and Oneness.

Putting this all together, the failed astral attempts become more clear: Your soul is intentionally blocking you in going there and doing it because it has no desire to put you at risk/in danger of getting entangled/contacted by the entities there that would attempt to control you. You’ve freed yourself from contracts and controls and don’t want to risk struggling with it/them again. The feelings you described are basically a dissonance between your personal will/desire butting heads or conflicting with your soul (or higher self’s) will and desire…that combined with the aftereffects or consequences of your “bids for power” having resulted in a vibrational frequency of “you here” now being quite different and incompatible with your soul (“you there”). In short then, my advice is: simply trust your soul knows best and don’t go there…don’t try. If you were STO, I’d advise you to drop the idea of control because it is folly and surrender to your soul. Being STS I’d rephrase it as: realize what you truly want and that astral travel isn’t it, therefore control your mind better and silence it’s thoughts and desires to astral travel Wink

Hope that has value for you – God bless you…best of luck… you are going to need it my friend Wink

PS The other part in your post about “avoid/reject "Evil"” and why people do it…YES INDEED…I agree and see it the same way. The problem is that because they reject it so strongly, if you point it out to them, or try to teach about it, they totally reject the notion/idea! Wink Ha ha.- ironic and paradoxical. Luckily rejection/resisting works it’s own way out in time…what you resist persists.
ChaoticMind, I forgot the most importan advice I had for you: As I said in my last post at the beginning, you are providing great amounts of service to others by interacting with people here. Be careful! If you aren't careful you are going to mess up your 95% STS thing by doing to much STO! HeheheheHahahah LOL
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03-04-2009, 05:42 AM,
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Interresting thinkings.
Sure need some reflexion about it.

Quote:ChaoticMind, I forgot the most importan advice I had for you: As I said in my last post at the beginning, you are providing great amounts of service to others by interacting with people here. Be careful! If you aren't careful you are going to mess up your 95% STS thing by doing to much STO! HeheheheHahahah LOL

AS you stated earlier speaking of that STS entity, it all depends of the intent, not of the actual side effects Wink
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03-04-2009, 06:39 AM,
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Indeed, intention is the vital thing behind action should one wish to polarize. And if Chaotikmind is only here for his own personal growth then he is free to do such, but we are all free to appreciate his words and radiate gratitude towards him, even though he will not express such. In any case, I am highly grateful for him being here.
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(03-02-2009, 04:18 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:  
(03-02-2009, 02:58 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  Now let's not get too judgmental about judgment. It comes into play each time we make a decision, many times a day. The more interesting question to me is where we cull that judgement from - the heart, the gut, the mind, the awareness of oneness?

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking!

SmileSmile Well, I certainly learned something!
(03-02-2009, 08:34 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  Honestly though, the best I can tell you is that the human brain has great difficulty imagining non-physical things. When you think “worlds” and “universe” you are going to picture stars and planets and galaxies because your brain associates those images in it’s neural networks associated to the words. When you think of entities you are going to picture some sort of body or form. Quite simply put: it’s just not like that! It’s more like an incredibly complex holographic matrix system of infinite complexity arranged in some weird spiral infinite loop toroid thing with interconnections between the rings of the spiral and lattices throughout. The entities are just little sparks of light that bounce around differently and appear differently depending on what ring of the spiral they are on. It seems the brain lacks any similar enough images or representations to allow you to imagine it and certainly lacks the computing power to comprehend it. You can observe and see etheric/light bodies though, but even they can change based on how the entity wishes to present itself…non-formed they look more like some modern art glowing string blob with an aura. If you read lots of Quantum Physics for a while, you can begin to start imagining it all better…but it’s a waste of precious linear time as graduation/harvest rapidly approaches. My advice though is to do as I did and simply ignore it. Infinite creation is just not going to fit into your brain…however you attempt to do so will not be “right”…in the end there is no “great” way to picture or describe the worlds, densities, dimensions, realms, planes and how they all interconnect.


You're right, what can one do other than laugh. Hey, I felt an unusually strong burst of cosmic laughter last night. Usually I'll only feel it more like a champagnesque giggle. Thanks for the reminder.

(03-02-2009, 08:34 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  1) I discern this judgment no longer serves me as it once did and choose to let it go.
2) Judgment is bad.

Yay.
(03-03-2009, 07:43 AM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  
Quote:[quote]Appleseed
There's a definite limit in (my experience of) 3D of the intensity of experience possible to absorb

The things that the physical vehicule can endure are completly amazing IMO.

Yes, the body often seems to be able to take more than other faculties that make a human human. It has its own will to survive which is independent from the ego's wish to live.
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03-04-2009, 03:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-04-2009, 03:55 PM by AwakenedOneness.)
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RE: Biased view of STS
(03-04-2009, 05:42 AM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  Interresting thinkings.
Sure need some reflexion about it.

Quote:ChaoticMind, I forgot the most importan advice I had for you: As I said in my last post at the beginning, you are providing great amounts of service to others by interacting with people here. Be careful! If you aren't careful you are going to mess up your 95% STS thing by doing to much STO! HeheheheHahahah LOL

AS you stated earlier speaking of that STS entity, it all depends of the intent, not of the actual side effects Wink

Quite right! My statement was totally and completely a joke.
(03-04-2009, 12:22 PM)AppleSeed Wrote:  You're right, what can one do other than laugh. Hey, I felt an unusually strong burst of cosmic laughter last night. Usually I'll only feel it more like a champagnesque giggle. Thanks for the reminder.


AppleSeed, Awesome!! This is you using that tool/path I mentioned in my post on the "most enlightening insight" thread about laughter. You may wish to re-read. Using the power of your Soul's and the One's laughter vibration is incredibly transformative and enlightening...it is the "lightest" frequency! Try doing it everyday intentionally, a laughter meditaion...it will take you where you desire to go! Blessings of Cosmic Laughter to you Wink In Love, Light, Law, and Laughter.
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03-04-2009, 04:46 PM,
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(01-09-2009, 06:07 AM)Chaotikmind Wrote:  I strongly feel there is a misunderstanding of STS here, it seems that STS is always linked to something evil, which is obviously false : The link between good/evil and positive/negative is pure human biasing, servicing the self don't necessarily make you a killer or something like that, (well, i have to admit the path is pretty dark and can easily lead to it)

What a wonderful post! Thank you, Chaotikmind, for having the guts to talk about this here. Tongue

This is fascinating to me because I used to be completely STS. I was a member of an STS organization for many years, and I have to agree with you that the energy is highly addictive! Quite beautiful, too, in a Dark way. And definitely NOT necessarily evil.

In my case, however, I had always experienced compassion for others, despite the fact that I was simultaneously quite irritated with people as a rule. I firmly believed that the STO path was "weak" and that one really needed strength in order to follow the STS path. Maybe that's true. But this nagging compassion I felt eventually made me realize that something was "off."

This is in no way a judgment on you, Chaotikmind, nor on the STS path. I'm only sharing what happened to me. I think, in my case, I was "meant" to be on the STO path, and this detour (of nine years!) was really a very educational experience. I learned all about the STS path from the inside, and I believe this knowledge has gone a long way toward creating the balance that I needed in my own life.

May you find the destination you seek.

Peace,
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03-05-2009, 12:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-05-2009, 12:25 PM by AppleSeed.)
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(03-04-2009, 03:38 PM)AwakenedOneness Wrote:  This is you using that tool/path I mentioned in my post on the "most enlightening insight" thread about laughter. You may wish to re-read.

Yes, I read it differently now. It's less laughter at than laughter with; a joy that wants to be shared. Laughter that connects, not divides.
(03-04-2009, 04:46 PM)Alkhemist Wrote:  I think, in my case, I was "meant" to be on the STO path, and this detour (of nine years!) was really a very educational experience. I learned all about the STS path from the inside, and I believe this knowledge has gone a long way toward creating the balance that I needed in my own life.

Welcome to the party! Experience brings understanding to knowledge.

Blessings, y'all.
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03-05-2009, 03:34 PM,
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Dear friend,

I enjoyed reading all this thread.
The difference between STS and STO can be made clear by this:
We can all be humans and do some STO work, and feel we are in the right path, and still not going to be harvested. Anyway, we will just know it after 2012 or after we die. And seeking to move towards the STO may be an hidden STS motivation in itself.

The difference may be this:
The key may be on the crakras energies, and the so-called heart and crown chakras (like Ra said).
Please read this perspective and tell me what you think. Well, its just my humble insight, I could of course be not very correct.

If you seek to have a great personal evolution, we can open all the crakras and let energy in, but it would require a huge ammount of energy to bring more and more "violet ray" energy to make our transcendence to 4D. Therefore, it requires huge ammounts of time and effort and therefore, removing from others (closing the "green ray" energy). This may be well the path that ChaotikMind is seeking, and the enlightned STS individual that AwakenessOneness has said a few entries before, and maybe the STS organization that the Alchemist has said. This is the STS path.

Of course there is also the STO path. Reaching towards unity by opening our hearts with others, which is then the opposite. I do not close from others, but instead reach towards others (which may also a tricky thing nowadays in a world full of difficult energies). Of course, the path would ask us to open the heart in at least 50% of our times, or not being very mathematically, becoming attuned to others, compassive and helpful. By transcending our self desires and motivations, we gradually remove time of our self-ish needs and desires, and aspirations, and gradually may tune into a world with others. The heart energy opening and opening, with all violet-ray energy, causes then the entity gradually to move towards 4D.

We know then, that STO path brings us to a communitarian way of living, and STS path to isolationatism ordered way of living. Becoming in the middle requires that we go onto more 3D lifes, to either work more and more on our compassion OR our personal opening towards violet ray while closing ourselves to others.

I humbly see myself still as more STS than STO (otherwise I would be right now in a STO world, eheh), but I seek to move along the STO path.

What do you think, all of you, both the ones following STO or STS path?
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03-05-2009, 04:16 PM,
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hmmmmm.... I was under the impression that STS is attuned to being sociopathic and psychopathic concerned with only harvesting as much negative energy as possible through the use of terror and all the FEAR emotions creating a vaccum devoid of joy and love.

This is my take on it.

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03-05-2009, 04:42 PM,
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(03-05-2009, 04:16 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  hmmmmm.... I was under the impression that STS is attuned to being sociopathic and psychopathic concerned with only harvesting as much negative energy as possible through the use of terror and all the FEAR emotions creating a vaccum devoid of joy and love.

This is a very common misconception of the STS path. Actually, there is a great deal of love on STS, but it is directed toward oneself rather than outward to others. There can also be a great deal of joy because one is interested in satisfying all of one's own desires to the glory of self. The ones who typically suffer are those around the STS devotee, as they're often viewed as mere resources.

As Ra says, traveling this path all the way to Intelligent Infinity is extremely difficult. I certainly couldn't do it, and I tried! The way is fraught with difficulty and destruction, because that is the very nature of the energy involved. And following this path unsuccessfully could very well result in psychic pathology, and perhaps some would call STS beings "sociopathic." It really depends upon which side of the duality you're coming from.

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