Do wanderers generally drink?
04-19-2017, 03:54 PM,
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RE: Do wanderers generally drink?
If I get drunk, it seems to blast open my awareness of my blockages for the night, and I essentially act as if I have none. The blockages are still there, of course, but being drunk seems to maintain a steady state of being within those parameters. So there is no spiritual growth, and no spiritual regression...

Until the days afterwards, that is. The day after, the hangover, for me is a time of intense meditation whether I like it or not. This is because I am forced to locate that peaceful, calm center within, otherwise I will be overcome with intense nausea and vomit profusely. I have a mindset of 'process all catalyst,' so I do not prefer to vomit.

I wonder if this hangover meditation actually strengthens me, or if I am just wasting valuable conscious energy protecting myself from the negative after effects of alcohol?

During that hangover day, there is a very distinguished feeling of having my aura open. My eyes dilate and contract, the world seems less real. But not in a fun way like at the end of a shroom trip, it's definitely dystopian.

Then the next few days are mental and spiritual recovery, and oftentimes I regress back into an old belief system or an old habit, and I regret ever drinking.

I wonder if these experiences strengthen me at all, some part of me thinks they do, but if so I still think there must be a more productive way to strengthen your mind.

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04-19-2017, 04:04 PM,
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I rarely drink alcohol. I don't like and this affect the aura. The most harmful substances to aura are: meat, alcohol and drugs in general and sugar.

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04-26-2017, 05:39 PM,
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I can not drink alcohol. I have alcohol intolerance. When I had a low understanding of myself as an eternal spirit, I drank alcohol and did not get drunk. Angels knock down a low vibration of alcohol Big Grin
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04-26-2017, 06:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-26-2017, 06:28 PM by Ninrodel.)
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Earlier, after prayer to my spirit, I cleaned alcohol poisoning. My body received very strong fever and convulsions and within an hour the negative consequences were gone. This action weakened my energy for a week.
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05-09-2017, 01:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-24-2018, 11:17 PM by Dekalb_Blues.)
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RE: Do wanderers generally drink? Only on days ending with a "y".
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Whether you're a young soul...
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The cup of wine for us
      is mother’s milk.
If we don’t taste it
      we no longer live.


– Qushayri (11th c.)

Or an old soul...
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A mystic is one
     who passes away —
He abides in the essence
     of that which is Real.
Such a person is pure,
     clear wine without dregs.
Now whole, he displays
     the Most Beautiful Names.

– Binavi Badakshani (13th century)

It's always the right time for a wee nip o' the critter!
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“Know that waking is in proportion to drunkenness. Whoever is drunk in the Real is awake in the Real.”
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https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-sufis-talk-about-alcohol-in-their-writings-and-lyrics

NASRUDIN POPS THE CORK QUESTION
"Will you marry me, dar­ling?" asked Mulla Nas­rudin of his inamorata.
"Be­fore I give you my an­swer," this perhaps too very prim and proper young lady said, "I must ask you one all-important ques­tion,
and I expect you to be absolutely frank with me, as my decision depends on it: Do you ever drink any­thing?"

"Why, yes, I do drink--" said Nas­rudin proudly, "--any­thing. Thought you'd never ask! What do you have?"

ABSINTHE MAKES THE HEART GROW FONDER:




A CAUTIONARY TRAGIC TALE, FULL OF GRIPPING HUMAN DRAMA:




In the street of wineshops, when
      should I pray? since my
drunkenness and sobriety alike
      are all the same as prayer.
There, no one accepts the coin
      of righteousness, piety and self-denial:
The only good currency in that street
      is beggary.
None but the drunkard knows
      the tavern’s secrets —
how could the sober unveil
      the mysteries of that street?
As soon as I met those
      cunning haunters of the wineshop
I realized that other work than theirs
      is nothing but a fable.
Do you want a guided tour
      of the Mecca of Love?
Come, sit in the tavern, for the trip
      to Arabia is long and tedious.
They refused me entrance at first
      at the wineshop
so I went to the monastery
      and found an open door — but
I heard a voice from within the tavern
      crying, “‘Iraqi!
Open the door for yourself, the gates
      of drunkenness are always agape!”


– Fakhruddin Iraqi (13th c.)






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A Moving Story Of Inspiration And Uplift For Us All

A man is in bed asleep with his wife one stormy night when there's a rat-a-tat-tat on the door.
He rolls over and looks at the clock, and it's half-past three in the morning.
He swears, and says, "I'm not getting out of bed at this hour," and rolls back over. 
A louder knock follows.
"Aren't you going to answer that?" says his wife.
So he drags himself out of bed and goes downstairs.
He opens the door and there's a stranger standing at the door, in the pouring rain.
It doesn't take him long to realize that this man is drunk as a skunk.
"Hey there, pal," slurs the waterlogged and bedraggled stranger, "Can ya gimme me a push?"
"No, get lost! It's half past three! I was asleep in bed! And you shouldn't be driving anyhow!" growls the man, and slams the door.
He goes back upstairs and tells his wife what happened and she says, "Now, dear, that wasn't very nice of you. Remember the night
that we got stuck in the mud in the pouring rain on the way to pick up the kids from the baby sitter's, and you had to knock on some
man's door to get him to help push us to get us started again? What would have happened if he'd told us to get lost?"
"But the guy knocking just now is drunk," says the husband.
"It doesn't matter," says the wife. "He needs our help and it would be the kindly thing to do to help him, regardless."
So, muttering curses under his breath, the husband gets out of bed again, gets dressed, and goes downstairs.
He opens the door, and not seeing the stranger in the downpour's gloom he shouts, "Hey, do you still want a push?"
And he hears a voice cry out, "Yeah, please!"
Still not seeing  the stranger, he shouts, "Where are you?"
And the stranger replies, "I'm over here, on your kid's swing-set."



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05-09-2017, 06:50 AM,
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RE: Do wanderers generally drink?
I quit drinking during my spiritual awakening. After some time I began drinking the non-alcoholic beer they sell at Trader Joe's and discovered that I missed the taste. Don't miss the alcohol at all - these days I don't need it to be happy or to escape anything.
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05-09-2017, 09:29 AM,
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Probably too often but it's really the only thing I have ever found to not only disconnect from the stresses and emotionally draining atmosphere of the negative energy of hospital life but also the only thing that eases the constant pain and fatigue from working 3 jobs
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05-15-2017, 05:14 AM,
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05-15-2017, 06:15 AM,
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i hate alcohol. and it hates me too.
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11-17-2017, 05:24 AM,
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I've drunk three nights in a row now and probably like 48 hours without sleep. #alcohollyfe
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11-17-2017, 09:31 AM,
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I drink wine with weekends' supper.  Not to get drunk though.  I just like it! Smile
 

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11-17-2017, 01:33 PM,
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I only drink because its a genetic thing with my family.  I come from two seperate bloodlines of addicts so I understand now how and why I am able to drink Everclear, straight.  Get drunk, and be fine around others, but alone, I'm way too real with myself.

I don't like drinking so much socially as I do occasionally.  Like I always try to drink Halloween night or around Halloween.  I'll try to drink for new years.  Otherwise if I'm drinking I'm trying to just get drunk enough not to care and still enjoy myself.

I think alcohol is generally used responsibly by wanderers, its when we have genetics that predispose us to addiction that alcohol is a potential major catalyst more than a tool or aid with handling catalyst.

I do very much enjoy brandy, but its my understanding when I sit down to drink I'm a bit overboard.  Instead of 1 short glass, I'll have 3.

Same goes with whiskey.

Rum is okay if its not cheap crud like Captain Morgan.

Love Amaretto cause it won't get me wasted.

But I need to take it easy with the alcohol anyways.  I really don't need it.
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11-17-2017, 03:41 PM,
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I know one that is an alcoholic but he is trying to silence his inner urging of discontent as a unwilling to awaken wanderer.

I have drank when I didn't know how to deal with pain, now I rarely drink. If I do its not to escape and its rare because I feel like all the cells of my body are worth nurturing so it cannot be to excess for me. Half a beer usually is enough to show effects so i rarely if ever exceed that.
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11-17-2017, 04:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2017, 04:42 PM by Cainite.)
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Some wanderers probably do. since they're usually more sensitive and may seek to become numb to fit in or just relax.

I can't stand the taste.
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11-17-2017, 06:24 PM,
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I never drank in my life. Only a few times, on important occasions, and then again little from only very low alcohol stuff like apple cider.

I tend to stay away from anything that reduces concentration or modifies the mind.
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11-18-2017, 04:19 AM,
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I used to! But recently... I drink one beer and I feel bad about it for two days, both physically and mentally! Not sure what happened to me actually...
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12-26-2017, 12:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-26-2017, 12:54 PM by Billz.)
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I am a self diagnosed alcoholic. I spent an extended period being a poorly disciplined person and was not fun to be around. I drank to excess and have been very blessed to not have suffered any tragic loss from being incredibly stupid and irresponsible. I have many regrets and that time period of my life will always haunt me. The fact that my wife remained at my side while I sorted these issues out absolutely amazes me EVERY SINGLE DAY. Each time she returns home I feel that I have been blessed that she chooses me again, and again. I realize that I have been blessed with an angel as my companion and best friend.

However, I still drink a little. And I find that I enjoy it less and less every time. Oh, I still have the sickness that drives me to reach for the bottle. The difference is that it just doesn't taste good anymore and it doesn't do anything but make me feel bad, emotionally and physically. So, I limit myself to one or two drinks and sometimes none.

I believe that the concept of the body as a temple is testament to the fact that the Creator lives inside each one of us. I believe that things like sugar and alcohol are poisons that prevent us from being and becoming the mind/body/spirit complexes that we are intended to be/become. I believe that eating the freshest foods and drinking the most natural liquids (water or actual fruit juices) are the best way to honor the Creator and care for ourselves. Look up some of the information about sugar posited by Dr. Lustig. It's pretty scary stuff. My wife suffers from some type of reaction to highly processed sugars that create a Jekyll/Hyde complex that no one wants to experience, including her. Her reaction is physical that manifests itself in emotional reactions that are terroristic. My reactions have become psychological because I begin to dislike myself and what I'm doing to my mind/body/spirit complex.

In any case, I also believe that any of the seven deadly sins listed in the bible constitute an outline for serious problems that could/may become additive behaviors for almost anyone. This list of seven things should be avoided, including alcohol, to prevent damage and perversion of the mind/body/spirit complex as a holy entity as well as part of the Creator through absolute Unity and being part of The One.

I try not to judge anyone else's behavior and I'm not passing any judgment on anyone here for your choices. I know that I have no room for such foolish ideals after what I've put my family through: I think alcohol and drugs can be bad things in the hands of the wrong person and cause people to behave badly or exercise exceptionally poor judgment. It's up to each individual to decide if you drink. I believe it's not good and never a good thing for me. I still wrestle with this monster called alcohol daily. I feel that I'm winning and look forward when I can say I'm free of it completely.

My advice: don't.
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12-26-2017, 01:43 PM,
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(11-18-2017, 04:19 AM)Ankh Wrote:  I used to! But recently... I drink one beer and I feel bad about it for two days, both physically and mentally! Not sure what happened to me actually...

I saw this and wanted to add some thoughts. I didn't have any alcohol at all for about 15 years prior to 2010 (because I am a health nut). But a traumatic time around 2009 prompted me to use alcohol as a calming self-medication, such as a glass of brandy in the evening.

But just recently, perhaps like you Ankh, I have been getting prompts to quit again completely (and I have). I agree with Billz that it is poison, and that sugar is as well. Until I saw the above comment, I just thought it was my body messaging me. My diet is extremely refined toward only healthy and nutritional substances, and I have always found that the more refined it gets, and the longer I sustain it without succumbing to less healthy items, the more sensitive I get to anything that's not optimal. 

So I wonder if there isn't some external influence at play here. Perhaps there is some sort of influx of energy related to the shifting of this existence to 4D that we are feeling. 
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12-27-2017, 03:51 AM,
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Couple of years ago I suffered from severe dizziness, which was crippling. I couldn't plan anything. Simple things like going to a grocery shop was dependent upon how severe dizziness was at that moment. And I always had to have a shopping cart with me, so I could support myself and lean upon it while walking. I remember that during this time I could stand and watch people from my window. I looked at them as they were hasting away to their chores, jobs, etc. completely unaware of how lucky they were having this freedom. They took it for granted. These are natural, simple things! But I couldn't. And I felt like being in prison. 

Today, I'm fascinated by people who have never felt or lived or know what an addiction is. Who could drink one beer or not at all, like my neighbor. I met him a while ago and he was about to fly to London. He was afraid of flying. Well, I told him, take a beer, it makes you care less. He answered that he wished that he could, but he "doesn't drink". "Doesn't drink", I thought... There are actually people who don't drink indeed! How about that? Or those who tasted a cigarette and then didn't like it. There are actually people who *don't smoke*! I tasted my first cigarette when I was twelve, and already then I knew *instantly* that I'm going to be a smoker.

Recently I had a heart-to-heart, deep conversation with a co-worker, who suddenly opened up to me and told me how addicted she is to candy (and sugar). And I saw deep *sorrow* in her eyes as she opened up and was telling me about heart deceases that run in her family. How clogged her blood-vessels must look inside and how high risk she is running by eating candy. And yet, she said, she can't stop. Candy is everywhere. In every store, it's right there in front of you at the registers. In every gas station. And all the commercials then... And she eats enormous amounts of it, every day. She is even too scared to count how much. And of course, she has anxiety about it. But she was just so, so sad about it! It's so harmful but just so impossible to stop. Imagine how a person must feel inside when having this addiction, knowing about all those great risks and yet, not being able to stop! What a sorrow...

Anyways, it is just so fascinating to me that there are people out there, who have never felt an addiction. Who doesn't know what it is. They don't know of any of those struggles, anxiety and self condemnation. So, I am not surprised if they judge those who are addicted or overuse. I understand them very well. How would they know any of the struggles to quit that poison which destroys you, if they never themselves felt it, and if they did, could stop rather quickly? It would even be natural to judge! Because, from the outside, how stupid isn't it to smoke?! Or overuse alcohol?! Or take drugs? Very, very stupid! Irrational. And even, shall I say, unintelligent. But I don't regard myself as being unaware beginner of third density with random catalysts. And yet, this "curse" is there. And no matter what I do, it keeps following me like it would be my own shadow!
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12-27-2017, 04:36 AM,
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Ankh, if I may share my experience as I feel it might be interesting and relevant.  I've never put a cigarette to my lips, and I never smoked even once until 2013 when my bestfriend at the time coaxed me into trying hookah (and by coaxed I mean flirted with me to get my cooperation.)  I was 21 the first time I smoked hookah, and weed, and got drunk for the first time ever.

I was judgmental towards smokers, the smell was gross and my mother's breath was so bad it made my gf quit cigarettes and I'm no stranger to that foul breath screaming at me with rancid odor.  My father told me as a child, "Don't smoke, it's expensive." That stuck until 21.

As someone's who's partaken in hookah, weed, alcohol, and one time shrooms, I no longer judge smokers.  I didn't understand addiction like I do now.

Now I consider myself a weed and porn combo addict, and I am honestly ashamed of my struggle to shake those addictions.  Weed was a spiritual tool for me at one point, now it's an equalizer, the high brings me to normal.  And porn...It is such a weird experience being disgusted with one's self once the hormones wear off.  I have made steps to reduce porn consumption and it works, but I want to QUIT.

It is a cruel irony, that something intended for 18+ year olds is available with ( -takes a moment to think it out- ), less than five nouse clicks and less than 10 keystrokes to pull up hundreds of hours of sexual content.  Worst is what this addiction has done to me, the way it reshaped my reality, and made me ignorant and desensitized to rape, racism, sexism, pedo inferences, and wrecked my sexuality to be perverse, weird, and confused.  I identified with the women in porn more than men, and weed only made me go deeper into that pornographic world.

Addiction is terrifying, it reveals how little we are in control of ourselves on a moment by moment basis.

I only pray I'll never know addiction to alcohol or anything else.  Addiction has taught me so much about myself, but the more I try to shake it, the more I feel this sense of helplessness, the little voice saying 'I don't just want it, I NEED it.'  I know I don't, but I've got a list of excuses, but they won't hold up.

Looking back, I feel compromised, like I've failed to realize a toxic influence upon me.

Porn is one of the sickest things I've let into my life, and I fear I'll be struggling all my life to keep it's influence under control.

As for weed, I want to not be addicted to it, it is supposed to be a spiritual tool, but I abuse it to keep myself from depression and it doesn't always work and worse sometimes makes things worse, then I retreat into the fantasy world of porn to forve myself to calm down.

It's a vicious circle and a powerful catalyst, I wouldn't be surprised if nearly 100% of all wanderers have an addiction to something.

My half sister OD'd on heroin, my ex gf had a friend who OD'd on meth.  I knew a customer with a gambling addiction who gambled away her house, car, and other things ruining her life.  My half brother is an alcoholic.  One of my cousins is addicted to heroin.  It's terrifying having a predisposition, a proclivity towards substance abuse genetically and mentally.

I can only forgive the ignorance of those I was once like, and pray they never know addiction, and remain blissful with such ignorance.

I might say Ignorance Is Bliss but Truth is Decadence, but truly, ignorance isn't bad and truth isn't good.  I just hope...  Sigh.  I loved my half sister, she was the ONLY family member I...Felt a connection with.  Addiction destroyed our relationship and her life.

I don't want to end up like that with porn and weed, wherever that road might prematurely end (suicide via loneliness from pprnographic delusions maybe?) I don't want to go there.

I wish I was there for Melissa...  But it's too late now...

So, addiction, please, pleeeeaasse, if you know someone suffering from it, the last thing needed is judgment, the most important thing needed is support.

The scientific discoveries of what causes addiction have turned out to be Loneliness.  Loneliness increases risk of addiction (via substance abuse, including pornography).  An addict is by inference of that title, Lonely and thus feel alone and worthless in their own mind.  Judgment only sinks those feelings in deeper.  Support digs them out, and hopefully in time removes them.

Thank you for bringing up the differences of perspective in regards to people with and without addiction.  I pray that addiction can be stopped one day, and that we discover how to counteract addiction biologically to help ween the addicted off of their substance(s) of choice and help them heal a bit easier.

And I'm sorry if this is an unwelcome comment, but I hope you're not suffering from bouts of dizziness anymore, my ex when she was pregnant suffered from severe dizziness, she used to freak out terrified she'd lose balance and hurt the baby.    It is debilitating, and I hope you are free of such now.
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12-27-2017, 05:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-27-2017, 05:05 AM by Ankh.)
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Amen, brother, ignorance is a bliss! Thank you for your comment. I need to contemplate what you wrote for a while. I have a sorrow in my heart right now in regards to my addictive personality, which wasn't there until recently. I didn't suffer from my overconsumptions or addictions before, no matter what other people told me. It wasn't an issue until now. But now I do. And I found your comment useful. I need to think for a little while about what you wrote.

Yes, I am free from severe dizziness now. Thank you for caring and asking! Smile
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12-27-2017, 08:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-27-2017, 08:11 AM by Quan.)
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(12-27-2017, 05:03 AM)Ankh Wrote:  Amen, brother, ignorance is a bliss! Thank you for your comment. I need to contemplate what you wrote for a while. I have a sorrow in my heart right now in regards to my addictive personality, which wasn't there until recently. I didn't suffer from my overconsumptions or addictions before, no matter what other people told me. It wasn't an issue until now. But now I do. And I found your comment useful. I need to think for a little while about what you wrote.

Yes, I am free from severe dizziness now. Thank you for caring and asking! Smile
Ankh and Coordinate_Apotheosis  in relation to addiction perhaps this may help these words Steppingfeet said I found helpfull and can be applied to many things ..
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=971&pid=16163#pid16163

Furthermore what has helped me with many habits is the balancing exercises RA talks about leading eventually to totally acceptance. Any habit do not view as bad it causes further separtion, use these exercises to embrace shadow self. Somes things/distoritions may also be planned for you to go through to learn certain lessons. Class example is the story of the prodigal son talked in the LL channelings if you dont know basically where the rich son leaves family spends all money on alcohol and excess then returns home a begger, father takes him back with total love. Son needed it to become humbler in RA terms he prob planned to go through all that to learn what he needed to in this life. 

Just a quick note ive find before coming into nearly complete acceptance of habits that is when seems like you regress backwards.. picture candle just before going it will flicker a lot then goes out. This was also talked about in LL channelings..
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12-27-2017, 07:54 PM,
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Hey, just know if you've an addiction, you have my support to help you ease out of it and stop.

It is so clear sometimes, how much people already judge themselves, I won't judge anyone for their addiction, I want them to know I don't see a degenerate or whatever people call addicts, I see a human being with important catalyst, and I find support, rather than judgment, helps them handle that catalyst.

Please don't beat yourself up too much.  It took me over a decade to recognize porn was bad, and only 4 years of partaking in weed before I recognized myself as addicted to it.

Strangely enough, I smoke hookah very often sometimes, like twice daily, and I've never felt addicted to it, I'll go months without it just fine.  If anything, hookah used to help reduce weed and porn consumption for me, it even helped me meditate more often and focus on writing.  I pumped out 100 pages of my zombie novel in a little under 2 weeks because I had a hookah ritual going on while writing.

Then my mom broke my hookah, that was that hah, I managed a few more pages, got to a really hard part and have been working on the outline and info supplementary documents ever since.
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12-28-2017, 08:01 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2017, 08:11 AM by Quan.)
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(12-27-2017, 07:54 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  Hey, just know if you've an addiction, you have my support to help you ease out of it and stop.

It is so clear sometimes, how much people already judge themselves, I won't judge anyone for their addiction, I want them to know I don't see a degenerate or whatever people call addicts, I see a human being with important catalyst, and I find support, rather than judgment, helps them handle that catalyst.

Please don't beat yourself up too much.  It took me over a decade to recognize porn was bad, and only 4 years of partaking in weed before I recognized myself as addicted to it.

Strangely enough, I smoke hookah very often sometimes, like twice daily, and I've never felt addicted to it, I'll go months without it just fine.  If anything, hookah used to help reduce weed and porn consumption for me, it even helped me meditate more often and focus on writing.  I pumped out 100 pages of my zombie novel in a little under 2 weeks because I had a hookah ritual going on while writing.

Then my mom broke my hookah, that was that hah, I managed a few more pages, got to a really hard part and have been working on the outline and info supplementary documents ever since.
Thanks for the support however the advice i posted thinking might be helpful for you or others in same situation as you had mentioned in post the day before about your addictions.  I dont have any addictions for now haha at least that i know of..ony habits im balancing out eg mainly related to food, or habits in judging the bodys reactions which I find the balancing exercises very helpful.

Oh wait I think i have addiction, a major addiction.. Becarefull of this one its most potent of all addictions, it becomes more and more consuming becoming part of every moment and theres never enough no matter how many lives Wink I think many on this forum can relate! Its meditation of course..
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12-28-2017, 08:57 AM,
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RE: Do wanderers generally drink?
Now that's the catalyst of addiction being used to great effect right there Wink

On a positive note anyways lol.

Acceptance must sink in deep, that's for sure.  I find an awareness of allness and a singularity of similarity in all things.  We are.  I want to discover this again as I did before but this time without the dark foundation.  I am aware now, I can't have such a discovery again, now, instead, the discovery is not a surprise.  So, I find acceptance, and seek on.  I might be crazy about it, but I continue on with caution then.

Have you ever spent 8 straight hours (with some breaks) creating something?  Like, programming.  It's like a meditation of logic and intuition with arithmetic and syntax, it takes you closer to a place more real than when you're just mindlessly doing something.  Coming out of it, there is a sense of accomplishment and progress, even if none was made.  The experience attained was enough.

Maybe, I'm addicted to creativity.  I like the way you view things lol
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12-28-2017, 01:27 PM,
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RE: Do wanderers generally drink?
(12-27-2017, 03:51 AM)Ankh Wrote:  Today, I'm fascinated by people who have never felt or lived or know what an addiction is. Who could drink one beer or not at all, like my neighbor. I met him a while ago and he was about to fly to London. He was afraid of flying. Well, I told him, take a beer, it makes you care less. He answered that he wished that he could, but he "doesn't drink". "Doesn't drink", I thought... There are actually people who don't drink indeed! How about that? Or those who tasted a cigarette and then didn't like it. There are actually people who *don't smoke*! I tasted my first cigarette when I was twelve, and already then I knew *instantly* that I'm going to be a smoker.

This thinking seems a little too simplistic to me, in that there is no solid line between addictive personalities and those who do not become addicted. There are gradations and different responses to consider.

I totally realize that some people are more disposed to addiction. My siblings and I are 1/4 Iroquois. Native Americans, along with the Japanese, have a genetic intolerance to alcohol, for example.

But many factors go into addiction, or overuse of mind-altering substances. There are emotional and physical factors, of course. People are addicted to comfort foods. Very few Americans aren't addicted to sugar (which is very harmful to the physical body). Sugar releases beta-endorphins, which is the case with drugs and alcohol. Some people are born with an imbalance of chemicals and/or receptor sites in the brain. So the response to a substance that releases beta-endorphins will be greatly heightened in these individuals, creating an exaggerated sense of well-being or euphoria. 

People can be addicted to emotions as well. Emotional reactions release protein chains which dock on the body's cell receptors, taking up the space where nutrition needs to dock, creating a state of starvation. It also creates a need for bigger and more intense emotions, as the body feels starved related to the cell receptors seeking molecules of nutrition.

I don't have any answers on how to heal an addiction. It is an individual experience, based on individual paths. There is pain and suffering here—there is no denying that. And there is no wrong way to deal with it. I guess it boils down to how one feels about how one deals. 
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12-28-2017, 10:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-28-2017, 10:10 PM by Elros.)
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Addiction is just a term to say someone has a need of something they are to an extent unconscious of the whole of why.

I smoked cigarettes for three years and kept telling people that I am not freaking addicted to it, and I had amusing plays or resisting and not resisting my desire of it but I was always clear that if it's what I do it's because it's what I want. I've even pondered it in high states of mind and knew why I was smoking on the greater plan, just as what it works, and on a particular night I did mdma with a friend and talked for hours about the emotional circumstance of when I started smoking cigarettes daily while still defending my desire of them and that I'm not yet at the moment I'll stop (I still think I'll have had a overall positive experience with them but acknowledge I became dissonant with them as was inevitable to happen) and I literally became unable to appreciate them anymore and tried for a few days until I knew I was done. I just let myself think about the emotional node of when I took this karma and released it and then boom I'm dissonant with it and I couldn't keep forcing myself to hold what I appreciated of it to be appreciable still.

There's no single thing that is not mind altering, just look at a sunset daily for 5 years and you'll most likely hold a stronger inner light than if you hadn't. People that abuse drugs need to think more about under what emotions they are lead to them, just as were initially lead to them, than just about that they consume them. To me cigarettes were a self-positive thing in my incarnational plan  to help me be the best of myself. Things are tools, why are you using them as you are using them?



On another note I am currently drinking and vaporizing weed pretty much daily but I've pretty much been abusing things periods of times to switch to other things and often they come to balance together (I drank tea daily for months and now it's been months I haven't). The time before I had made a habit of drinking daily I quit one day because of something other and I think I just never thought of drinking again until quite a while, I kinda just had lost the setting in which I was drinking and no day was really any hard not to.

Like I tell my mother when she asks about whatever I'm consuming with her pre-conceived judgments about it, I think the problem is just that someone is emotionally unwell and it isn't what's most helpful to focus on what's being consumed and instead solve the root of it. Everything can be taken positively or negatively, about alcohol I'm planning to explore the world of microbrewery and it's quite a vast world and that will probably take a while to see little of it. My closest coworker is someone that'll go on vacation to go to as much microbrewery as possible and an ex-one not long ago made me download an app where he himself personally rated over 1000 freaking unique kinds of beer. That's not someone with a problem, that's someone enjoying creations of the Creator.

The most positive thing that can be done about consuming anything, is to not label it as negative all the while you're co-interacting with this portion of Creation. A knife can prepare healthy food just as it can stab someone, tools rarely define the potential uses to a single thing and your use of it define you more than the tool.
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12-29-2017, 05:00 AM,
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(12-28-2017, 08:57 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:  Now that's the catalyst of addiction being used to great effect right there Wink

On a positive note anyways lol.

Acceptance must sink in deep, that's for sure.  I find an awareness of allness and a singularity of similarity in all things.  We are.  I want to discover this again as I did before but this time without the dark foundation.  I am aware now, I can't have such a discovery again, now, instead, the discovery is not a surprise.  So, I find acceptance, and seek on.  I might be crazy about it, but I continue on with caution then.

Have you ever spent 8 straight hours (with some breaks) creating something?  Like, programming.  It's like a meditation of logic and intuition with arithmetic and syntax, it takes you closer to a place more real than when you're just mindlessly doing something.  Coming out of it, there is a sense of accomplishment and progress, even if none was made.  The experience attained was enough.

Maybe, I'm addicted to creativity.  I like the way you view things lol

Haha yeah meditation takes away all other addictions, nothing compares..Meditation for me not just sitting in Lotus position but anytime being in the moment or attempting to. So doing those 8 straight hours of doing something would be included particulary in a creative mode like your saying as more in meditation state more creative we can be.. maybe can say just accesing that creative state is important not necessary what you create even, "The experience attained was enough" is very true in that sense.
A positive catalyst for me maybe not for others around me sometimes who want to chat and socialise  Tongue 
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12-29-2017, 08:12 AM,
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The things you all share...  Diana just taught me something I've felt but wasn't fully conscious of, it's crazy how the brain operates...  And Elros is making me realize why I am on and off things, like almost describing perfectly something I've experienced.  Quan provides me insight into the joys of meditation.

It gives me hope seeing how smart people are in their many different ways.
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