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    Thread: Self-esteem / Confidence


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    #31
    08-19-2010, 10:25 AM
    I feel that even a start along these lines might help Josh and the others struggling with this issue of valuing self when others devalue one's self. Figuring this out has been the major challenge of my life. I'll also integrate it into the Enneagram thread when I have more time for writing.

    Picture courageous firefighters. These people transcend their fears and self-preservation instincts. They rush in to dangerous burning buildings and rescue people, saving them from painful death.

    They use some very heavy duty tools for the job. Fire hoses get hooked up to hydrants or pump trucks, blasting immense amounts of water at very high pressure. Axes get swung to cut down doors, break through walls, smash apart burning debris to isolate the fuel sources so the hoses can put them out. Hoses can flood books and papers, damaging or totally destroying them. Axes can rip into the structure of a building, making holes where there were none. Hoses can make carpets soaked, leading to rot in the underlying floor boards.

    But this damage doesn't matter. These are the least damaging things to do. If not for the axe and the hose, the whole building would have burned to the ground, and the lives inside would have been lost.

    A firefighter would never dream of blasting water from a fire hose, or of swinging an axe to break down walls and smash apart furniture, unless there was abundant evidence that a fire was in progress right now. These tools are highly destructive. Not only do they cause massive property damage, if a person is too close, they can seriously injure or even kill a person. Throughout history, axes and water cannons are tools not just of firefighters but of soldiers, or police crowd control against rampaging mobs. A firefighter does not wield these tools casually. If they use them, they are responsible to the best of their training and ability. They are able to describe what happened, what they did and why they believed it was the best choice.

    A decent good person would never grab the tools of a firefighter, soak property and knock people aside with fire hoses, rip apart what was constructed with an axe, unless it was an obvious emergency... a terrible catastrophe that demanded of ordinary people what usually requires a trained response from the experts.

    These are very harsh weapons. A decent, good, loving person who wants to serve others, to see them happy and healthy, would never dream of using such destructive tools unless they were the last line of defense to put out a fire.

    And if we used them, we would take responsibility, we would apologize for any collateral damage, we would tell the truth and help with insurance claims. So sorry that I turned on the fire hose while you were standing between me and the flames. I'll help you get physical therapy for that dislocated shoulder caused by the high-pressure water blast. So sorry that your desk is lying in splinters. If I hadn't smashed it, the fireball might have taken out the entire rest of the building. Would you like me to go with you as you shop for a new desk?

    Let's look at the scene. Do you have your camera with you? Here are the embers, here's the break in the gas line, here is the downed power line that made the sparks. I'm so sad that in order to save you, we had to destroy the house and send you to the hospital. May I hold your hand while you recover from the burns?

    This is what a decent person does.

    So then water blasts and axe swings come into our lives. In life, people can smash each other up interpersonally with tools as harsh, as powerful, as destructive, as fire hoses and axes.

    The fire hose of condemnation. The axe of abuse.
    The fire hose of rejection. The axe of gossip.
    The fire hose of indifference. The axe of open hostility.
    The fire hose of passive-aggressive withdrawal. The axe of hatred.
    The fire hose of withholding the truth of the situation, of what others really think and intend. The axe of deceit, lying, outright manipulation.
    The fire hose of nonsensical B.S. The axe of dramatic, hyper, over the top outbursts.
    The fire hose of self-aggrandizement. The axe of narcissistic demands for acclaim.
    The fire hose of sweeping the truth of disagreement under the rug for the pretense of unity. The axe of insistence that you can't possibly know what is right for you or be trusted with your own choices.
    The fire hose of threats, spoken or unspoken. The axe of outright violence.
    The fire hose of polluting your world with messes you didn't want, didn't ask for and didn't cause. The axe of blaming you for making the messes and demanding that you clean them up, regardless of the cost to you.

    Well we must be dealing with decent people. It's inconceivable that someone would be this damaging unless there was a fire to put it out.

    So my heart is bleeding, not because I carelessly picked at a zit but because that's the path of an axe.
    My bed lies in splinters, not because I prefer to sleep on shards but because it was smashed up with heavy blows.
    My papers are strewn all over, stuck to each other and with the letters smeared beyond recognition. Not because I can't properly use a file cabinet, but because they were blasted with the water cannon.
    In the bathroom, the towels are soaked through and useless. Not because I don't hang them up neatly after each use, but because the fire hose was used to shove huge streams of water through the room.

    And I ask, since that wouldn't have been done if it wasn't necessary, then where's the fire?
    There must have been something about my life that was a terrible risk to the lives of everyone around me.

    And then we discover something appalling. There are some people who just spray and smash because they can. They do it whether or not there is a fire. And there are other people who hallucinate fires where there are none. They grab physical tools to smash a vision of hell on earth that only they can see. Both groups leave terrible damage behind them.

    So we go to them and ask, Where was the fire? Why was it necessary to ruin my home and leave me with these bruises?

    And they are astonished. They can't even imagine a life without an axe in hand. They can't conceive of any way to deal with a room full of papers other than hosing it down. They have no good answer. And they don't want to say: I'm so sorry I hurt you for no good reason. So instead, they make up a bad reason.

    Well, don't you realize that you're such a bad guy. There was no other choice. This was for your own good. You would have destroyed everything otherwise. It's my job to put holes in walls whether or not there is a fire. You should thank me. How bad you are to not realize I saved your life. No, we may not look at the scene. No, you may not bring your camera. No, we may not talk about restitution. Quit picking at your zits, it's made that five inch gash expose your heart. Quit being messy with soggy papers, they're hard to read. You must be crazy to say I had anything to do with it.

    In this way we become corrupted to join in the evil attacks against us.

    It's time to say the obvious.
    I got smashed and my home got chopped up. Ouch! Quit doing that! It wasn't fair! It had nothing to do with me! I deserve better!

    As soon as we realize that, all the pack animal training- shoulders back, no more smell of fear, etc. - is useful. Because that's when we quit introducing ourselves hunched over, expecting the next blast, ducking in advance of the next swing, shouting "Where the hell is the fire in my life!" There is none and there never was.

    I needed to express this mental image for my own process of healing. I hope it helps yours.

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    Lorna (Offline)

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    #32
    08-19-2010, 07:31 PM
    Just read a tweet from Deepak Chopra that made me think of this thread and I thought it might be helpful to share:

    What will really make you attractive is not working on your weak points but embracing them.


    although within the context of this thread replacing the word attractive with the concepts of confidence and being true to yourself makes it more relevant

    i really do think that feeling low self esteem, lack of confidence etc isn't a bad thing, it's a developing process, a part of growing up in many respects. embrace those feelings about yourself, forgive that aspect of yourself that is holding your confidence back - it's ok to lack confidence, particularly ok to lack social confidence in this chaotic 3d world. give yourself permission to accept that part of yourself and then take a step forward.

    questioner, your post is both beautiful and heartbreaking, thank you for sharing it x

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    #33
    08-22-2010, 09:05 AM
    (08-19-2010, 07:31 PM)Lorna Wrote: Just read a tweet from Deepak Chopra that made me think of this thread and I thought it might be helpful to share:

    What will really make you attractive is not working on your weak points but embracing them.


    although within the context of this thread replacing the word attractive with the concepts of confidence and being true to yourself makes it more relevant

    i really do think that feeling low self esteem, lack of confidence etc isn't a bad thing, it's a developing process, a part of growing up in many respects. embrace those feelings about yourself, forgive that aspect of yourself that is holding your confidence back - it's ok to lack confidence, particularly ok to lack social confidence in this chaotic 3d world. give yourself permission to accept that part of yourself and then take a step forward.

    questioner, your post is both beautiful and heartbreaking, thank you for sharing it x

    Thanks Lorna and questioner, some beautiful wisdom to ponder and remember.

    I am wondering why I am having trouble with this full self acceptance and self forgiveness thing, though. I clearly have the intention to fully embrace and accept myself. I have been working with this problem for quite a long time.

    I find myself still reacting strongly to the non-acceptance of others around me, when it happens...it's hard to keep my light shining when feeling judged or rejected.

    And then I feel that I am responsible because they are just reflecting a lack of self-acceptance as my mirrors. Do you understand my dilemma? And what is the way through this...other than removing myself from my family which is not a soulution for me at all.

    Life is interestingConfused

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    Ali Quadir (Offline)

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    #34
    08-22-2010, 03:05 PM
    (08-22-2010, 09:05 AM)Shemaya Wrote: I am wondering why I am having trouble with this full self acceptance and self forgiveness thing, though. I clearly have the intention to fully embrace and accept myself. I have been working with this problem for quite a long time.

    I find myself still reacting strongly to the non-acceptance of others around me, when it happens...it's hard to keep my light shining when feeling judged or rejected.

    I think there are very few people who do not have this response to the acceptance or rejection of others... You must understand we are evolved to care about the opinion of others. Basically if your tribe dislikes you, you die. You simply do not break the laws governing mammalian behavior because if you do.. You die... Not so much because other humans will kill you but because they won't make that extra effort to save you when you're in trouble, they will share their food and women with others first, and they will abandon you when you're wounded.

    Imagine what millions of years of this being factually true will do to animal psychology? Our subconscious is hard wired to desire to be accepted by others. Just like we're hard wired to eat and breathe.

    I guess what this means is that you should never blame yourself for responding to feeling judged or loved... And you can rest assured that every single one of us, apart from the damaged, do care a great deal. I used to blame myself for caring. I even denied I cared at times. Now I realize, I care, this is perfectly natural. And not as important in the world today as it used to be. So even though I care, I don't always have to act on this caring.

    That said, there's still a lot possible about raising self esteem. And while this will never get us beyond being sensitive to other peoples judgments, it will give us more freedom and happiness, and that's the bottom line isn't it?

    Don't blame yourself, it's not your fault, and it's very natural and common to be in this situation.

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    βαθμιαίος (Offline)

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    #35
    08-23-2010, 08:52 PM
    Full self-acceptance includes acceptance of the fact that you react strongly to non-acceptance by others. Not easy to do, but very healing.

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    #36
    08-24-2010, 10:42 AM
    Ali, thank you very much for including the evolutionary anthropology perspective. I have learned some about this area, but I think you have studied it more deeply than I have. I'm glad that you bring that approach into this forum.

    Shemaya, let's continue working this through.

    I am through the worst of my multi-crisis. I just barely squeaked through the first major deadline, with a lot of help, and have less intense time pressure to get the next part done. This will likely mean that I could have time to continue the Enneagram essays this week or in the next week or two. Meanwhile, is there anything about that series (starting at post 8, if I remember right) which has rung a bell for you?

    You have mentioned an uncomfortably hot and spicy experience on your plate. I am trying to identify just which ingredients might be present. This is some guesswork, educated though it may be, so please freely say what does or does not seem to apply to your situation.

    Is there an assumption that when other people express displeasure and hurt, which they say is caused by you, that they are going through extremely intense suffering? It may be that they are merely peeved or annoyed in a way they themselves would acknowledge as petty, or minor. They may lack skillful self-control in communication, causing outbursts appropriate for a broken leg if they merely had a tiny bump. They may also accurately express a minor emotional state, which you, with great loving sensitivity, become highly concerned about... as service-to-self seeks to address and eliminate suffering whenever possible.

    Perhaps it would be helpful to include some kind of clarifying question. "When you say you're unhappy about that, do you mean it makes your whole life miserable for years, or is it just a little annoyance right now?"

    A further ingredient is the idea that the apparent unhappiness or suffering is caused by you, therefore your responsibility to heal by changing yourself. This is another one worth testing. "Did I hear you right that the reason you have to be sad and angry, to cry and scream and miss out on all your fun today, is that I did something bad and wrong and it hurt you? If so what could I do to make things right for you?"

    So here are two possibilities of ineffective communication. Maybe they said things more forcefully than they realized. Maybe you took it hard when that wasn't what they wanted in the first place.

    The next area you mention is that others' judgment or rejection of you feels to you that it's an accurate mirror of your own problems, or limitations. I think the starting point here would be to express your standards for yourself. "My purpose in life is to love, help, and serve others and never cause any pain. So if I failed to live up to that standard with you I'm so sorry and I want to make things right."

    Can they acknowledge what you say about your own purposeful intentions?

    Perhaps the condemnation is because they did not get a path to Easy Street paved in gold for them, not because they really expected something more from you personally. Perhaps they thought you should have been ruthless, or ruthlessly efficient without any consideration of loving harmony. Perhaps they assumed that you would know what they want without saying anything. Just what standard is it that they are using to judging you? What is the measurement of success?

    Finally, if they really do hurt; it really does matter to them; they really do believe it's your fault; they compare your deeds to an ethical standard worthy of a life's devotion; and they say you fall short of all that: only then would you have what claims to be an accurate mirror of your own negativity.

    We then need to see if that is an accurate mirror, or a distorted projection of their own issues or of other people and situations, rather than you.

    In other words, they have something that really stinks but they claim it's fajitas. If it turns out there's no beef, chicken, steak, peppers, onions, guacamole, or salsa in there... just maybe it's NOT actually fajitas! They seem to claim that the stink is something wrong about you. Is that an accurate, fair condemnation?

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    #37
    08-24-2010, 04:34 PM
    Quote:You have mentioned an uncomfortably hot and spicy experience on your plate. I am trying to identify just which ingredients might be present. This is some guesswork, educated though it may be, so please freely say what does or does not seem to apply to your situation.

    Questioner...without having fully read the rest of your response, I have to tell you that I burst out in laughter upon reading this sentence. Laughter is really good medicine.

    And your absolutely right....it has been a hot and spicy experience... not quite habanero but definitely jalapeno levelBigSmileBigSmile

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    08-24-2010, 05:37 PM (This post was last modified: 08-24-2010, 05:42 PM by Shemaya.)
    (08-24-2010, 10:42 AM)Questioner Wrote: Shemaya, let's continue working this through.

    I am through the worst of my multi-crisis. I just barely squeaked through the first major deadline, with a lot of help, and have less intense time pressure to get the next part done. This will likely mean that I could have time to continue the Enneagram essays this week or in the next week or two. Meanwhile, is there anything about that series (starting at post 8, if I remember right) which has rung a bell for you?

    Glad to hear that you are getting throughSmile
    I have not fully read the enneagram thread...I will try to look at that soon.

    Quote:Is there an assumption that when other people express displeasure and hurt, which they say is caused by you, that they are going through extremely intense suffering?

    I think in the context of relationship, we are working through red , orange , and yellow ray blockages and the multitudinous ways that those blockages manifest. In some ways there seems to be a perfect opposition ie. the other's need to control abuts my unwillingness and reaction to being controlled. So on the one hand I may be the cause because I am not "falling into line" so to speak, but on the other hand, that energy exchange is not green ray...which is what I am going for. I do believe the need to control has its root in deep suffering.

    Quote:A further ingredient is the idea that the apparent unhappiness or suffering is caused by you, therefore your responsibility to heal by changing yourself.

    The suffering at it's root is not caused by me, but still I have the responsibility to heal and "crystallize" and choose STO, day by day and moment by moment.
    That being said...there seems to be some projection and transference of issues back and forth.


    Quote:The next area you mention is that others' judgment or rejection of you feels to you that it's an accurate mirror of your own problems, or limitations. I think the starting point here would be to express your standards for yourself. "My purpose in life is to love, help, and serve others and never cause any pain. So if I failed to live up to that standard with you I'm so sorry and I want to make things right."

    What a nice way to apologize :o)

    I'm not sure that it's an accurate mirror, probably more like a fun-house mirror. Are we not all mirrors of each other? I use all the opportunities given to go inward, and find my own truth, because that is where I will really find the truth since the mirror is inaccurate and distorted.

    Part of the problem is that there is a level of contentment and complacency in half of the equation, if everything is so much better than what you grew up with, why strive for better? What is the purpose when this is as good as it gets?

    There is an element of my process that I am still coming into, full self-acceptance and self-love, complete compassion for my self, accepting my limitations and striving to radiate brighter at the same time. A paradox in a way.

    Quote:Full self-acceptance includes acceptance of the fact that you react strongly to non-acceptance by others. Not easy to do, but very healing.

    Thank you B....very good point :o)

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    08-24-2010, 08:49 PM
    (08-24-2010, 05:37 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Thank you B....very good point :o)

    You're very welcome. If I may say, it sounds like you are doing a very good job of working with the catalyst that you have offered yourself in this incarnation.

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    08-26-2010, 02:15 AM (This post was last modified: 08-26-2010, 02:19 AM by colorado.)
    I agree with Ali Quadir and fairyfarmgirl. Confidence is a state of being that takes practice. One must force confidence on themselves until it becomes habit. I struggled with confidence issues my entire life. I have, in the past few months, just started to get over it. Everyone's confidence issues are unique to them, so I will not go into what mine were, but I consciously made an effort to change my thoughts and to project that which I thought I was lacking. I am always refining it, but I have to say my efforts are paying off. I encourage anyone who is having confidence or self esteem issues to truthfully look at themselves and figure out what it is about them that does not allow confidence to move through them. If you can find certain activities that would increase that which you found you lacked, do them whole heartedly.

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    08-26-2010, 08:19 PM (This post was last modified: 08-26-2010, 08:33 PM by Questioner.)
    (08-24-2010, 04:34 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I have to tell you that I burst out in laughter upon reading this sentence. Laughter is really good medicine.
    That's great! If you can laugh at the situation then you can catch your breath, and then think about it a new way.

    Quote:And your absolutely right....it has been a hot and spicy experience... not quite habanero but definitely jalapeno levelBigSmileBigSmile
    Maybe I should add that line. "Hey buddy, I'm having a jalapeno experience here... can we cool it down before it gets to habanero level!" BigSmile
    (08-24-2010, 05:37 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Glad to hear that you are getting throughSmile
    Thanks.

    Quote:I have not fully read the enneagram thread...I will try to look at that soon.
    No rush. If you get some time, you can skim to find out if it's useful to you. No problem if it's not what you need.

    Quote:In some ways there seems to be a perfect opposition ie. the other's need to control abuts my unwillingness and reaction to being controlled.
    Ra did say that even at their level, there's not an easy way to solve this problem. If the other person desires to be controlling, to disrespect your own freedom of choice, and you desire to respect your own freedom of choice, there's not a compromise. Late in 6D the manipulators will have to accept others with openness to green ray, but until then there's no compromise. Either you give up your freedom to them, or you don't give up your freedom to them.

    Quote:I do believe the need to control has its root in deep suffering.
    Sometimes that's true. I believe, however, that sometimes people just choose a path of control, violence and coercion in this life. It might be an attempt to polarize on the negative path. It might have something to do with resolving their own karma. It could be the thrill of getting away with being naughty or even evil. There could be other reasons we just can't understand. For these people, no amount of relieving their suffering - even if we could take it ALL away - would make them give up their desire to be controlling.

    Quote:Are we not all mirrors of each other?
    Ultimately yes, in a spiritual sense. In this life, often no. A huge lesson for me has been that many people present what they claim is a mirror, but it's a TV screen hooked up to their own inner states... nothing to do with me at all.

    Quote:I use all the opportunities given to go inward, and find my own truth, because that is where I will really find the truth since the mirror is inaccurate and distorted.
    Hurray! This links up to the discussion of confidence as a mindset and social experience.

    Quote:Part of the problem is that there is a level of contentment and complacency in half of the equation, if everything is so much better than what you grew up with, why strive for better? What is the purpose when this is as good as it gets?
    You may have upgraded from habenero cupcakes to halapeno cupcakes. But what if you prefer to just have a plain ol' cupcake without any added excitement?

    Quote:There is an element of my process that I am still coming into, full self-acceptance and self-love, complete compassion for my self, accepting my limitations and striving to radiate brighter at the same time. A paradox in a way.
    Wonderful! Loving compassion and service to humanity starts with loving compassion and service to yourself. The STS extreme doesn't get beyond this. The STO extreme skips past it!

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    08-27-2010, 04:19 PM
    Quote: Quote:I have not fully read the enneagram thread...I will try to look at that soon.

    No rush. If you get some time, you can skim to find out if it's useful to you. No problem if it's not what you need.

    I read the first post...very insightful and wise Q. You are great at painting word pictures, and there is wonderful depth in your prose.

    Quote:Ra did say that even at their level, there's not an easy way to solve this problem. If the other person desires to be controlling, to disrespect your own freedom of choice, and you desire to respect your own freedom of choice, there's not a compromise. Late in 6D the manipulators will have to accept others with openness to green ray, but until then there's no compromise. Either you give up your freedom to them, or you don't give up your freedom to them.

    I think there is a distinction we could make in what I'm talking about here. This is not the kind of control arising out of a choice to polarize STS, but more an unconscious reactionary behavior that occurs because there is limited self-awareness, and the energy is blocked from going through to green-ray. Like a defense mechanism. And this can get so ingrained as a mode of operating ( an subconscious behavior) that it becomes hard to change, especially when there is limited awareness. Which is why so many spiritual masters have told us to "know thyself". If we don't know ourselves we get stuck in these repeating patterns, and blocked energy in the lower rays. But if we are aware of our reactions and behaviors then we have taken the first step to get the energy flowing again, and can choose to raise the energy to the heart. Not always easy in the moment though! But in my journey through this life it has gotten easier, and much much lighter.

    Love/LightHeart

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