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    Thread: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One


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    #61
    10-27-2016, 12:17 AM
    Ngung'taota sjel and Diana, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    You have all asked very good questions. I will do my best to answer. My Hopi father sometimes correlated Hopi knowledge with biblical references, as I will do in these replies.

    sjel-- Regarding the core-ejection - does this mean there will be a literal ejection of a physical mass from within the Earth's center? How big will this mass be?

    My father and another priest explained that heavier metals and minerals are ever sinking downward, what geologists call differentiation, so that the inner core of the Earth is constantly growing larger. As it grows larger it finally reaches a weight where it can no longer remain within the Earth and is ejected through the Earth's birth canal, Hopi know as Her sipapu or sipapuni, located in the Antarctic,Weddell sea. The heat emerging through that opening is one of the factors for the melting and breaking off of ice shelves there, as well as affecting the ocean currents and Antarctic atmosphere that in turn affect the climate changes we are seeing. Yes, that will mean life in our physical, 3rd density form will end, but the “inner” life of each will be held within the Earth for reemergence in its higher form in the orbit of the Morning Star.

    Sjel-- Also, as to your warning not to leave Earth - this seems an easy choice, and obvious. Is this warning in place because there are many among the Earth peoples who would choose to leave? what is in store for those who choose to leave?

    This is a wonderful question that everyone should consider. How will people react when the world is shown a place with amazing technology (how attached are people today to technology?) and falsely told the Earth is going to be destroyed, or other lies to fearfully drive us from the Earth? Many, many will no doubt make terrible choices.

    Knowing how much a human mother can love and protect her children, how much more do you think our Earth Mother seeks to save Her children sending us messages of warning? Here is a quote from the Apocryphal Book of Esdras that addresses that question:

    “..For ask the Earth, and she shall tell thee, that it is she which ought to mourn for the fall of so many that grow upon her. For out of her came all at the first, and out of her shall all others come, and, behold, they walk almost all into destruction, and a multitude of them is utterly rooted out. Who then should make more mourning than she who hath lost so great a multitude? The Mother that hath lost one son? But if (the mother who hath lost one son) sayest unto me, ‘My lamentation is not like the Earth’s, because I have lost the fruit of my womb, which I brought forth with pains, and bare with sorrows; But the Earth not so!’ Then I say unto thee, Like as thou hast brought forth with labor; even so the Earth hath also given her fruit, namely, man, ever since the beginning, unto Him that made her...”
    (2 Esdras 10:9-14)

    Diana-- So then what happens to the beings inhabiting Venus and Mercury (when they enter the sun)?

    My Hopi father died before I knew the answer to that question. He did not like me pushing to get answers. He suggested that I should busy myself helping others and not be so worried about myself (my impatience and personal ego). He told me that when I had forgotten myself and was only concerned with others I would receive answers without my asking. I am still working on that.

    He did say one thing about that question. As I remember, it was that God didn't waste all the time and effort to evolve us to the imperishable form of the Fifth World, only to throw it away.

    In my own mind, I have speculated about where those on the Fifth World-now Venus will go when it fuels the sun. One thought is that they enter a higher octave of creation, what those here would call a higher density, or possibly to other Fifth Worlds, what my father called a brotherhood of the Morning Stars.

    I think there was another question(s) someone asked that I did not answer earlier, but I cannot find them now. If this is true, please ask them again.

    With love and respect,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa
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    #62
    10-28-2016, 09:00 AM
    Ngungu'taota Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    When your questions are answered and you are left to deliberate on the Hopi knowledge, there is one other thing to consider-- if this information is true our brothers and sisters of the world are in terrible danger. If and when this knowledge becomes meaningful to you, please do the loving and compassionate thing and pass it to them wherever and whenever you can. That is the reason I gave permission to copy the Earth Mother book and share it with everyone.

    The question of following authority has been raised. I've tried to show you that situations arise where the right thing to do is to serve the greater good when it transcends our allegiance to authority, e.g. what if the authority of your government told you you couldn't blow the whistle on corruption that threatened to destroy your country? Should you stay silent or alert others so the corruption could be uprooted and your country saved? In the case I've shared with you as a Hopi, the danger is much more sinister: “...what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul; or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?...”

    The Hopi instruction to share knowledge that will help people, all people, so they won't lose what they've been striving toward for eons of time, comes from the HIGHEST authority, not the authority of man, but that of our Creator. To not speak of it would be a betrayal of our duty to God, and of our service to others.

    There is another subject I have not spoken about because it isn't directly connected with this thread, but it is something to which we all need to awaken. I mention it briefly here. You are not reading about it in the controlled media, but there is a covert plot by wealthy and powerful people to set up a one world government. These evil people are eugenicists who want to reduce the population of those they consider “useless” and “unworthy.” They are what you know as “service to self,” and they have been very busy. If people do not wake-up, joining together to expose and defeat this plot, the world will go through very difficult times.

    May the sun always shine upon you,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

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    10-28-2016, 09:38 AM
    (10-28-2016, 09:00 AM)Hohongwitutiwa Wrote: Ngungu'taota Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    There is another subject I have not spoken about because it isn't directly connected with this thread, but it is something to which we all need to awaken. I mention it briefly here. You are not reading about it in the controlled media, but there is a covert plot by wealthy and powerful people to set up a one world government. These evil people are eugenicists who want to reduce the population of those they consider “useless” and “unworthy.” They are what you know as “service to self,” and they have been very busy. If people do not wake-up, joining together to expose and defeat this plot, the world will go through very difficult times.

    May the sun always shine upon you,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

    This possibility has been written about from whistleblowers such as William Cooper. I would like to hear more about this subject from the Hopi point of view.

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    10-29-2016, 05:00 AM
    Ngungu'lawu sjel and Diana, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    As in my last post, I will use biblical citations that correlate with the Hopi knowledge, as it was shown to me.

    Sjel-- I just found I did not answer the last parts of your question: (1) “...Is this warning in place because there are many among the Earth peoples who would choose to leave? (2) what is in store for those who choose to leave?...”

    (1) Yes, exactly. As I indicated in the Esdras quote, Earth Mother knows Her children are in great danger, and is asking those who know what's coming to share the warnings with Her children, as Masau instructed Hopi to do. When this warning becomes meaningful to anyone whose eyes have been opened, they can help spread the warning, too. Here are some related biblical warnings:

    “...Whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whoever shall lose his life shall preserve it...” (Luke 17:33)

    “...For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man...” (Luke 21:35-36)

    (2) The answer to this second part is not easy to say or hear. Many people today believe that everyone is safe and will one day reach the paradise of “heaven.” This is not what Hopi know, and is why I included the biblical quote warning of souls being lost. Our Creator is Love, but also LAW. If we do not remain within the universal plan for life God has designed for us on our mother world, Earth, deserting Her into Time, we are on a backwards course from the evolution God has planned. My Hopi father once showed me that the word “devil” is “lived” spelled backwards.

    Only on Earth can we receive new bodies that continue evolving to their perfected state in the Fifth World. Those who defect into Time follow a different course. Hopi knowledge tells us that they live long lives by our standards, but finally die of old age, or because of accidents. When they die in the space-time frame, they devolve to a form that cannot tolerate light and live in the darkness of outer space (the biblical references to the Pit, Pit of Outer Darkness, the Deep, etc.) in their ships. They do not wish that fate so they prolong their lives by replacing their aged organs and blood with healthier versions-- as mentioned earlier, many of the unexplained animal mutilations are their work, but people are their best subjects. Some people have asked me if claimed hybrid babies from UFO abductions are for this purpose. I don't know as this was never discussed with me by any Hopi, but it is possible.
    Here are biblical references to these devolved “beasts”:

    “...In the dark they dig through houses which they had marked for themselves in the daytime: they know not the light. For the morning is to them even as the shadow of death..”. (Job 24:16)

    “...I am counted with them that go down into the pit. I am as a man who has no strength. Free among the dead like the slain that lie in the grave whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deep...” (Psalm 88)

    The ultimate fate of those condemned to the pit of outer space lies in the hands of the Creator. We can see a direct correlation of the Space-Time frame being the so-called ante-chamber of Hell or Purgatory of Catholics; and being “cast out to the Pit of outer darkness/space” being Hell. The following from the Apocrypha, Book of Esdras offers some guidance in answering your question:

    “...And therefore be thou not curious how the ungodly shall be punished, and when: but enquire how the righteous shall be saved, whose the world is, and for whom the world is created...” (9:13)

    Diana-- I wrote: “...there is a covert plot by wealthy and powerful people to set up a one world government...” You wrote: “This possibility has been written about from whistleblowers such as William Cooper. I would like to hear more about this subject from the Hopi point of view.”

    The only Hopi information that may relate to it, is that we should prepare food and water to last about three years. What was going to happen to require that preparation was not made clear; it could relate to the Earth's birthpains, to financial collapse, or political and religious changes to come-- including the formation of a one world government and religion. As to evidence there is a push to form such a worldwide change, check into the hacked George Soros documents, and the U.N. Push for Agenda 21.

    It was because of the possibility of this new world order, that I warned someone in this thread that if it occurs and people are being “chipped” (Mark of the Beast), that he should NOT take part in it, but live on safe land with others who agree. Those who are caught in that new world system, should it occur, may be set up for “shipment” into space-time for those they may be working with. DON'T TAKE PART.

    Naawakna nihqe kyaptsita – with love and respect,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

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    10-29-2016, 09:18 PM
    (10-29-2016, 05:00 AM)Hohongwitutiwa Wrote: (2) The answer to this second part is not easy to say or hear. Many people today believe that everyone is safe and will one day reach the paradise of “heaven.” This is not what Hopi know, and is why I included the biblical quote warning of souls being lost. Our Creator is Love, but also LAW. If we do not remain within the universal plan for life God has designed for us on our mother world, Earth, deserting Her into Time, we are on a backwards course from the evolution God has planned. My Hopi father once showed me that the word “devil” is “lived” spelled backwards.

    Only on Earth can we receive new bodies that continue evolving to their perfected state in the Fifth World. Those who defect into Time follow a different course. Hopi knowledge tells us that they live long lives by our standards, but finally die of old age, or because of accidents. When they die in the space-time frame, they devolve to a form that cannot tolerate light and live in the darkness of outer space (the biblical references to the Pit, Pit of Outer Darkness, the Deep, etc.) in their ships. They do not wish that fate so they prolong their lives by replacing their aged organs and blood with healthier versions-- as mentioned earlier, many of the unexplained animal mutilations are their work, but people are their best subjects. Some people have asked me if claimed hybrid babies from UFO abductions are for this purpose. I don't know as this was never discussed with me by any Hopi, but it is possible.

    Here are biblical references to these devolved “beasts”:

    “...In the dark they dig through houses which they had marked for themselves in the daytime: they know not the light. For the morning is to them even as the shadow of death..”. (Job 24:16)

    “...I am counted with them that go down into the pit. I am as a man who has no strength. Free among the dead like the slain that lie in the grave whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deep...” (Psalm 88)

    The ultimate fate of those condemned to the pit of outer space lies in the hands of the Creator. We can see a direct correlation of the Space-Time frame being the so-called ante-chamber of Hell or Purgatory of Catholics; and being “cast out to the Pit of outer darkness/space” being Hell. The following from the Apocrypha, Book of Esdras offers some guidance in answering your question:

    hmmm... this seems rather fear-based. this seems to me to be of a similar type of information as Christianity's "Judgment Day." Also, you seem to be implying that the entities who choose to leave would be condemned to Hell?

    How long is the Hopi definition of Hell? because all I know is that Hell is

    a) not eternal

    b) only endured for an equal amount of energy as one's "negative" deeds. meaning that it is only by one's own actions that one goes tp
    "Hell," for a period.
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    10-30-2016, 12:04 AM
    Nakwa sjel, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    I understand your concerns, but in reality there are things we really should fear. Life has harsh consequences when we act in foolish and dangerous ways, especially when our actions go against the laws of creation, of God.

    I would ask you: are our mothers and fathers, our parents, guilty of fearmongering when they warn us of serious dangers we need to avoid? Or is it the love for their innocent children to protect them from harm? In the same way, our Earth Mother sends us warnings to protect us from serious dangers we are otherwise unaware of, because of our youth and those who hide them from us.

    Here is something I wrote in the Earth Mother book related to your concern:

    “...Let me take a moment to speak about fear. Fear is a frequently discussed subject...is there a side to “fear” that should be mentioned? Are there any times when fear is justified, or useful to us?

    When faced with true danger - such as encountering a dangerous wild animal, or standing on the precipice of a high cliff - our bodies produce hormones causing us to protectively react. In those, and related situations, the fear is very real and justified - we are facing situations that place us in harm’s way. In the examples given, the dangers are to our physical life, but what of dangers to our soul? Are there situations that should rightly be feared, because they place our souls in danger?

    Great spiritual teachers, saints, and prophets have provided warnings that our souls can be put in jeopardy, and even lost...throughout history, we have been warned of such occurrences. We’ve been informed that we have a covenant with our Creator, which, if broken, reaps dire consequences. God has been shown to be both love and law.

    Are the people who sent these warnings fearmongers? Or are they our wise brethren, servants of our Creator who have been compassionately educating us, so we will not fall prey to grave errors? I think we can recognize that these warnings are sent to assist us. Yes, they do produce dread - of the consequences of going against God’s Law. But, above all else, these warnings are sent to protect us. In other words, it is good to be alarmed at what can cause calamitous results, so we will take every precaution not to make such disastrous mistakes...” (pp. 29-30, edited)

    Hell is a word that carries a lot of connotation and emotional baggage. My reference to it was only because we can see a parallel with it to the Hopi knowledge of devolving to a form that must live in the darkness of space. I do not know how long that continues, but Hopi Law of Life says those in that condition are unable to progress to their perfected life in the Fifth World. Does God provide a way back? If so, it would be a long and hard journey best avoided by never having abandoned their Earth Mothers in the first place.

    I can only provide the Hopi knowledge as clearly and accurately as I can. I do not wish to argue with anyone, only to share in a respectful way. At times the Hopi information may conflict with what you believe from other sources, such as the L/L channeled material. In the end, we all have to decide what is true and what is not for ourselves; it is meant to be that way. I have given some predictions that if, and when, they come to pass, they will help you recognize what to do in the coming times. My wish as your brother is always your welfare and well being.

    Umumi pam taaviningwu – may the sun always shine upon you,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

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    10-30-2016, 03:46 AM
    Dualism at it's finest.

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    10-30-2016, 06:05 AM
    Nakwa Kaaron, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    My friend, dualism isn't a dirty word. Sages and philosophers have been debating dualism vs. non-dualism for many centuries.

    You are right, the Hopi knowledge gives importance to the cosmos that God has made, seeing it as a purposeful place for life to progress, and that you and I and life everywhere have been, and are, part of that process.

    More importantly, we believe that we are at a profoundly important point of advancement, whether we know it, or not, and that we will soon have to make a decision which will decide the direction we will go. The truth of that choice is all that really matters, and if it arrives, with advance warning of all it means to us, we have a better chance to decide wisely.

    I am not an enemy to battle. I am not here to sell anything to you. You are free to think and do anything you wish. I respect those rights above all else.

    May peace be with you,
    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

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    10-30-2016, 03:11 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2016, 05:19 PM by Kaaron.)
    I merely observed a philosophy presented in your message. You attached the connotation.
    You're right though, certain sages and philosophers have been debating it for many centuries.
    It's a real thing. The Bible is filled with dualism. It's also the philosophy that the Orion Group subscribes to.
    IMO, the end time apocalyptic messages, are those that are delivered by channels who have distortions that effect a clear transmission,
    I feel your information falls into this category.
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    10-30-2016, 10:40 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2016, 10:43 PM by Hohongwitutiwa. Edit Reason: spelling error )
    (10-30-2016, 03:11 PM)Kaaron Wrote: I feel your information falls into this category.

    Nakwa Kaaron, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    That is your right.

    Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

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