shampoos and stuff

[xlsander]

since we all realize we live in a STS corrupted corporate systemically designed world

and we are constantly targeted in our minds by media in our food in our

_____ (put here what you like) also in cosmetics

what about soaps and shampoos and stuff like that - since we use this on a daily basis and our bodies and our skin gets in touch with it and might absorb whatever - how do you deal with that?

[Meerie]

My fellow countryman,
I usually buy cosmetics in the organic stores or nowadays mostly in dm drogeriemarkt. Do you have these in Berlin, too?
their CEO Götz Werner is a very STO oriented person, see here
http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehme...59,00.html
and their organic cosmetic line alverde
http://www.deutscher-nachhaltigkeitsprei..._final.pdf is great! Tested without cruelty to animals and some of the products even qualify as vegan. Shampoos without silicone etc... and their products are less expensive than the organic trade marks, like Dr Hauschka and logona for example. And you do not have to pay for the publicity, like with conventional cosmetics that have TV commercials. Since there is no publicity

[xlsander]

My fellow countryman,
I usually buy cosmetics in the organic stores or nowadays mostly in dm drogeriemarkt. Do you have these in Berlin, too?
their CEO Götz Werner is a very STO oriented person, see here
http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehme...59,00.html
and their organic cosmetic line alverde
http://www.deutscher-nachhaltigkeitsprei..._final.pdf is great! Tested without cruelty to animals and some of the products even qualify as vegan. Shampoos without silicone etc... and their products are less expensive than the organic trade marks, like Dr Hauschka and logona for example. And you do not have to pay for the publicity, like with conventional cosmetics that have TV commercials. Since there is no publicity

great i was actually waiting for your response and i actually also prefer DM too

[Meerie]

That is great! So you have them in Berlin, too? (I was not sure if it may be called Budni in northern Germany).
Have you ever tried the Olive Volume shampoo? that is my favorite.
They also have a limited range of foodstuff (alnatura), like cashew nuts or the yummy yummy spelt sesame bretzels...
here in Munich alnatura has opened a supermarket but I have not been there yet.

[xlsander]

That is great! So you have them in Berlin, too? (I was not sure if it may be called Budni in northern Germany).
Have you ever tried the Olive Volume shampoo? that is my favorite.
They also have a limited range of foodstuff (alnatura), like cashew nuts or the yummy yummy spelt sesame bretzels...
here in Munich alnatura has opened a supermarket but I have not been there yet.

yes i know their nuts - i like the macadamia - I will check their shampoos

we have al natura supermarket here too - and bio company and bio verte or so

I have been checking all of them frequently these last weeks - you do

spend at least 30-50% more on your food - but the vegetables taste

so real - a salad actually gets you saturated and it feels good too

[Lavazza]

I recently switched to natural deodorants. Not to side step some STS agenda, but to keep my t-shirts from being ruined! Most deoderants contains aluminum in some form, which is what contributes to your old t-shirts' black armpit stains. I would always feel bummed when I'd have to throw out an otherwise fine shirt... SO now I use the 'Jason' and 'Thom's of Maine' brands. They aren't that much more expensive either:

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/home
http://www.jason-natural.com/products/deodorants.php

Jason's is the best in my opinion.

cheers,
Eric

[turtledude23]

I use pure vegetable glycerine soap which is the most basic kind of soap possible, no perfumes or unneeded additives. I use shampoo made by a company called Nature Clean, it doesn't have any of the suspected carcinogens, petro chemicals, and phosphates all mainstream shampoos have: http://www.naturecleanliving.com/herbal_shampoo . I use a deodorant which doesn't have aluminum in it, I think the company that makes it is called Nature's Gate. I use flouride free toothpaste by a company called Green Beaver. I use laundry and dishwashing detergents that don't have some bad stuff in them, forgot what.

There are relatively healthy alternatives to all personal hygiene and household cleaning products, available in local natural food stores or in the organic section of savvier supermarkets.

[Meerie]

Yeah I heard that some of these deodorants even are suspected of causing breast cancer (the aluminium and other stuff that is inside) - they found out that many women had their cancer close to the armpits.
I have stopped using deodorant altogether - my natural smell is better than any deodorant . If you are in good health and take showers regularly it is not necessary imo.
I cannot stand the artificial deodorants that some people use... there is a guy in my house, I once made the mistake to step into the elevator with him... suffice to say I will not do it again. He uses deodorant with artificial lemon flavor, very intense and almost like citrus detergents... absolutely disgusting. I just wonder, have all these people lost their olfactorial sense? Some really seem to bath in perfume / deodorant...

[xlsander]

so what do we do about hairspray ... sounds kinda funny i know - but i have lets say stubborn hair and i have a job where i need to have my hair in order - so i would either require to trim it down or use stuff ... but never heard of bio hairspray - did you? :-D

[Meerie]

Try this
http://www.ciao.de/Balea_Haarlack__Test_2615743
it is without Treibgas, in einer Pumpsprühflasche (sorry do not know the English word )
I sometimes use it to fix my long hair. If you take too much it will be a bit gluey (klebrig?)
The smell is a bit more agreable than usually the hairspray smell.
I think it depends on the quality of your hair if it works for you or not... my mum has very thin hair for example and she did not like it. Mine is quite thick, maybe it works better for thick hair.

[Peregrinus]

without Treibgas, in einer Pumpsprühflasche = without propellant in a pump spray bottle. Ich kann Deutsch sprechen auch.

[Meerie]

Danke Bruder Peregrinus Since this information was for the German market (aka xlsander speaks german) I did not bother to look up the translation.
Hope your surgery goes well. Namasté.

[christopher]

might i recommend not using shampoo at all!? its really not necessary. same with body soap or deodorant. i havent used shampoo for over 3 weeks now and people still think i poo and condition it. theres a transition period of about a week or two where your hair will be greasy, but then it gets back to normal. a natural normal before it ever had to deal with shampoo stripping the natural oils.

[Oceania]

i used tea tree oil and mint, it's awesome. i know i shouldn't though. but it's not tested on animals.