(06-30-2013, 08:32 AM)JustLikeYou Wrote: Not Sure, why do you think that removing all awareness of the self is what is involved in perfecting the body complex?
I dont feel like I said this, specifically.
I said that the way that perfection is stated in the original material means, to me, that if you reach the kind of perfection that you ostensibly seek, you will nto reach it, because you will not be the one to reach it because you are product of your chosen distortions (individuality). So the kind of perfection that is implied is never reached. While acceptance that all things are always in perfection will result in acceptance of perfection even amidst "the darkest of catalysts will only result in a tipping of the head back and laughter at the grim darkness."
I mean that if you reach the perfection of the body complex that you desire, you will not be the one that reaches the perfection and wont be perfection. However, if you look for no perfection and accept everything as perfection then the body complex is always revealed to be perfect in and of itself and the seeking itself seen to be the fault which generated the lack of health / perfection.
You may see how this view makes the seeker of external perfection seem a bit... Silly... to me...
And by external perfection I mean those that worship an external power in hopes that it grantes them "a god like body" that is "better than the one that I have now" which is usually only broken because it was treated like dirt to begin with and to dirt it will be returned then.
Therefore the transformation of the body, in this context, means the change of seeking the external as valuable and in position to grant the perfect body (oh Ra, On high and mighty, Harvest me to the body of light so I may make my back hairy and have a tail, because I would like to have my back hairy, and have a tail.) instead of looking at it like this. "Oh, cool. Now I know what to do next. I can try to find a way to use the available sources (people and technology provided by people) to change my body, incrementally to one with a hairy back and a tail, instead of praying for someone on high up to give them to me."
Transformation of the body is the understanding that you do not want to have a tail right now. And that you do want to go to the various health centers because you like to feel ill and have others pamper to your needs. Who wouldn't it feels good to have someone save you from yourself and pamper to your childish needs for comfort.
That being said. I'm all for being pampered and having my childish needs for comfort seen to. But thats only because I like to have people around me who like to see to the childish needs for comfort and pampering of other selves.
So in closing. "in perfecting" the body, yes you would have to remove yourself because you are in the mistaken assumption that you are "in perfecting" instead of "perfect in" the body. So. The initial assumption and the meaning read into my words were both not what I intended so I attempted to avoid the continued discussion as attempting to straighten such mistaken impressions is energy intensive. But I suppose since we have nothing else going on...
Quote:Perhaps you are working with different definitions of "awareness" and "self" than I am, but since self-awareness is the distinctive mark of 3D, it is hard to imagine that the goal would be to remove it.
Seeing as how we have not established what your definition of awareness and self are. I would have to by default say the scientific answer. I do not know.
There is no purpose to removing self awareness. But to try to reach perfection by "perfecting the body" is trying to remove your self awareness. Trying to reach perfection by "being perfect in the body", will result in the opposite.
Quote:My experience, based on my own on-going process of clearing and crystallizing my energy centers, is that I become more and more aware of everything that is happening in my life at all time.
But are you trying to build the perfect body in terms of health and visual appearances and so forth. Or are you trying to build a perfect setting for who you are now in your body.
Are you trying to make a work of art.
Or are you trying to make art out of work.
Quote: The ego-self (i.e. the Significator of the Mind -- same thing) becomes less and less an impediment to my actions and more and more a helpful persona around which my experience in this life can cluster.
Good that you are removing impediments to your life
Quote:Hence, I am less "self-conscious" in the negative sense of this word, but far more self-aware in the positive sense.
See, I can't know what the negative sense of this word is without knowing your moral systems interior. If you mean socially anxious of company. I can think of a million and one legitimate positively polarizing reasons why you would be "self-conscious" in the negative way in different situations up to and including into early pre-merged consciousness (6.5)
Without understanding what you mean by "self-conscious" here I could assume you mean anxious, outgoing, talkative, quiet, aware of the self as separate, lack of awareness of the self as separate. Since your negative sense of the word of self-conscious may not match my negative sense of the word self conscious, and due to assumptions of shared moral base for this. I cant make a assessment of what it is you are referring to and the sentence is moot.
Quote:The distinction between myself and others does not seem likely to
lift fully because it is the basis of 3D experience;
My thinking is that 4th D is more about distinction between yourself and the perceived other self. But that their way of looking at yourself and the other self is so radically different that you cant "interact" with them in a healthy way yet. And far as I can tell. Individuality and distinction between yourself and the other self continues until merged but the difference/individuality is done "differently" thus, it seems likely that it wont lift fully until the end of the basis of experience which is not 3rd D but rather, pre- 6.5 (before merging with higher self.)
Quote:however, a keen and balanced sensitivity to the energies operative at higher levels allows me to feel on some level the connection and unity between all and all, making it more and more difficult to hold grudges, get embarrassed, be malicious, etc.
Perhaps for you, but this is certainly not true for all entities. As it is, your personal reaction to the catalyst of unity as you feel it. some people will absolutely certainly react with holding more grudges, getting more embarrassed, being more malicious etc. The dulling and lessening of the strength of emotional reactions to catalyst is neither here nor there in terms of balance.
Quote:I would say, then, that having no blockage leads to such a hightened awareness of fullness self, that the boundary between ego-self and higher self diminishes, as well as the boundary between self and other-self.
Exactly. Having nothing you block will result in you being one with everything and vanishing.
That's 6.5< stuff.
I am simply saying that the idea isn't something as nebulous as "removing blockages" but rather, finding those blockages that are not consonant with what you want to be, trying to "balance" those. And leaving the distortions/blockages that you enjoy in place.
To give you an example.
If a pre-concious entity were told that it needs to remove the lock from its door because it blocks the spirits from entering, while living in the middle of Baghdad and getting threats of death, they may not enjoy the implied Martyrdom of that particular order of removing blockages. Now, getting them to move to a nice quiet place in the middle of nowhere and then getting them to remove the whole front door is quite acceptable.
In closing. Perfection of the body complex is in itself either positive or negative depending on which way it is looked at and if you look at it as "I am working towards becoming perfect" its negative, if you look at it as "I am working towards accepting the already existing perfection better." its positive. Thats why I feel Ra's answer is intentionally double-meaning.
But, I would in total prefer not to write things of this nature, at all. But since I was nudged several times I've written a few of these larger entries today. so lets hope this fits in there somewhere and doesnt get me hisssssed at too much.