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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material Archetypes of Mind, Body, & Spirit Perfecting the Body Complex: The Transformation

    Thread: Perfecting the Body Complex: The Transformation


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    06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
    (06-30-2013, 06:15 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: In general, I agree with you. I think the notion of a "new body" is commonly overblown, as you've suggested. Let us agree that the new-age fantasy world in which we get super-powers is not what either of us have in mind here.

    Hmm.... I already have super powers. I simply choose not to use them because a world where no one uses super powers to solve mundane things is much more interesting than one where everyone throws fireballs around for the giggles factor. My body is already perfect in that regard. I simply respect my wish not to have said powers now.

    Quote: I implied earlier that the body includes your environment, not just the vehicle itself. The importance of this is that your surroundings can give you a good idea of the condition of your body.

    Surrounding is the Soul. Not the body. Though if you add that yes, the soul can show to you through your surroundings the condition of your body as it best desires then we agree.

    Quote:Much of the work you are describing is mental and spiritual in nature. The Body Cycle is much simpler when considered on its own terms. Of course, there is always interaction between the three, but each has its own domain, so to speak. In the domain of the body, a more comfortable condition is earned--just as a less comfortable condition is earned. You are right that the body is already "perfect," but there are two senses of perfect to consider. There is the sense you mean, and there is also the sense meant in the sentence "perfectly capable of doing what is required of it."

    Nothing is required of the body except to be. If that is not possible then the body has expired. This idea of "what is required of it" is exactly what I mean as being at the center of this dilemma. Nothing is required of the body to be, ever, period. YOU may require things of your body, but that is entirely different than saying that the body is in and of itself required to do something, it isnt. If you are born, and live your life in a catatonic vegative state ala Matrix, you are just as valuable to yourself as anyone else is to their self. Thus. It is already perfectly capable of doing what is required of it, sadly the same can very rarely be said for the Mind complex.

    Quote: If you are always sick, lack energy and are weak, chances are not very good that you'll be able to build yourself a new house because your body is not fit for it. If you want a perfect body for being highly physically active, then there is probably a whole slew of imbalances which will need to be addressed before your body is capable of the task.

    We are always limited no matter if we are gods or men or unity or separation.

    IF we are gods in unity we are limited in our ability to feel as separated non-god entities in non unity.

    Therefore like I said, always perfect. Though you can force yourself to see it as imperfect in a way to power yourself through the application of belief in imperfection as a method of moving, but it is much preferable to see the body as moving from one state of perfection to a new state of perfection where by the previous step is no less or more perfect than the next one but are both in their right time/space. But that is why, you know, we disagree on this.

    Quote:The perfection of the body is the capabilities it had upon birth. The imperfection of the body is the distortions it has taken on which are at odds with your will (caused by the confusion in your will, which gives mixed signals to the body).

    Simplification by a wide Texas mile.

    But if you grant the following:

    The body has all capabilities at birth.
    Your chosen distortions away from the unity of things are what determine the density you experience now.
    Confusion in "your will" is what allows other entities to exist at all.

    Then i'll agree.

    Quote:I think the perfection you have in mind is a spiritual kind of work, and not as much a bodily kind of work. The perfection I have in mind is a matter of learning who you are and what you want your body to do. When you know this, then you will probably seek to learn how to treat your body so that it is capable of doing what you ask of it.

    This has little to do with transformation of the body and more to do with the transformation of the mind, i feel. The body needs no transformation it is already perfect, your utilization of it by not giving contradictory orders to it is what needs to be perfected. If you give it an order of "hey, i want to experience a limited life" and it grants it and then you moan at how you are in a limited life, there is very little your body can do except sigh and resign to its fate.

    Faith the size of a mustard seed would make your body (locus of experience) capable of doing anything so desired.

    Quote:Example: when I was younger, I wished for a larger body because I thought being so slender made me unattractive and weak. Then, when I learned better who I was, I realized that the things I love to do require agility, and only moderate strength. So now I appreciate that my body's inborn potentials are perfectly suited to my desires, and I seek to make it stronger and more agile only in ways that I need.

    You didn't ask for a larger body, you asked for an opportunity to appreciate and love your slender body. There is a difference.

    If you had asked for a opportunity to love and appreciate your large body, you would have a large body. See how it works when you keep in mind that your body is what it is because you, moment to moment, make it perfect already. The only thing that can be changed is for you to understand that it is always in all moments perfect, and it is only the will that is keeping it manifest in situations that are not possible to generate with our physics (such as be both tall and short, fat and thin and so on) that keeps on the illusion that it is imperfect. So the body cant be "perfected moment to moment" because it always and already is perfect, only the subjective mind that believes that it needs to perfect the body, instead of perfecting itself, is what is imperfect. But if the mind were to truly grasp the full extent of its perfection moment to moment, well... Thats a different question entirely...

    Quote:Again, I think we agree on most of the points you raised. The only point of contention, in my mind, is that a distinction between two senses of "perfect" needs to be drawn. This allows us to be both perfect and imperfect at the same time, granting the unity of the creator and also the ability to evolve.

    I would say that the best choice is to call it the perfection before this moment, the perfection for this moment, and the perfection after this moment.

    If you want to have an opinion of imperfection, don't send it to your body, it has done absolutely nothing to deserve the mind complex to blame it for imperfection.

    But yes, I agree, we need to split the perfection and imperfection into two camps.

    I call perfection the camp where everyone is by default, and imperfection the camp where people who see imperfection are.

    Imperfection maybe used as a word to describe the action of seeking for imperfection. Such as this:

    "Hey man, what are you doing?"

    "I'm imperfecting."

    "Oh, did you find anything imperfect this time?"

    "No"

    "Oh, Thought so. What more perfect things did you find?"

    "More than I care to share..."

    Imperfection is best used as a verb to describe the insanity of searching for imperfection.

    Thus best describe as the card of death.

    Anyway. Transformation of the body is the event of understanding that you are perfect now, and this body will not die until the perfection desires is to die, not a moment sooner and not a moment later. Resting in that certainty of this moments eternity in the few short years that we have is perfection. Spending that time chasing the specters of imperfection across the landscape of this infinite dream is the definition of "this insanity".

    IF we could only just stop looking for all this imperfection and enjoy the perfection of this moment, would that not truly be one fine moment of inspiration that would transform the body.

    But I digress.

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    Perfecting the Body Complex: The Transformation - by Hototo - 06-28-2013, 09:55 AM
    RE: Archetype 13... Transformation of the Body - by JustLikeYou - 06-30-2013, 08:32 AM
    RE: Archetype 13... Transformation of the Body - by Hototo - 06-30-2013, 05:08 PM
    RE: Archetype 13... Transformation of the Body - by JustLikeYou - 06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
    RE: Archetype 13... Transformation of the Body - by Hototo - 06-30-2013, 06:54 PM

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