05-12-2010, 01:29 PM
My friends,
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! I am deeply touched and humbled by your kindness and wisdom. This is something I have struggled with for a very long time, but I never speak about, for obvious reasons. However, I really feel I needed the outside perspectives, grounded in the Law of One, to help me work through this terror. So, I gave a call for support, and WOW did you guys come through!! Thank you so much!! Each person gave me something unique and valuable that I can use. I know this is not something I am going to be able to transmute overnight, but I now at least have some tools and concepts to work with so that I can begin a constructive process. It may be a long road, but at least I have a starting point now. I am eternally grateful for that.
Now this is very useful, indeed! I had never heard of "systematic desensitization" but this does sound like something that could possibly help me with the animalistic reaction to the sight of them. I have some good experience with transmuting hurt or anger into love with people in deep meditation, but the panic I feel when I think on their image always blocks me from meditating on it very deeply. Perhaps with time I can desensitize myself enough to the images that I can deal with it more effectively in mediation. Thank you so much for sharing this concept with me, I have been reading about it this morning. Much appreciated!!
Hmm... This is an interesting thought. I've always reacted very strongly and negatively to them but without having any real basis for that reaction. So, I'm not really sure what it is that makes me so fearful of them, but perhaps I have some unconscious assumption about what they and their motivations are that was formed before I had a LOO foundation. I will try to imagine worst case behavior scenarios and then try to further imagine their motivations for those scenarios and try to use THAT as a key to understanding and then forgiveness. Since I don't have any reliable data about them, this stream of hypotheticals will have to suffice. Thank you for the suggestion!!
Cyclops, thank you for these quotes. You carefully mined the archives for the inspiration I needed.
It was more than JUST a search string, you clearly put a great deal of thought into linking these relevant quotes together in a way that would help me as I worked through intertwined issues. I am grateful for your service, brother, thank you. It's especially helpful because though I know the Ra material very well, I am not so familiar with the other channellings and don't normally think to review them. The themes you chose are exactly what I needed.
Beautifully said, and you are correct. Thank you for sharing those words of wisdom with me.
Well, just to be clear I only meant I had considered the possibility that I could have been abducted when very young, I'm not actually claiming that I was abducted. I have absolutely no memories of any abduction nor really any other evidence to suggest that it ever happened. I'm open-minded enough to at least allow for the possibility that they did something to me a long time ago, but due to a lack of memories or evidence, I am mostly operating under the assumption that the fear is baseless. I have no way to know what their true polarity is, but it's possible they are STO, or as you said, a mix of different polarities. I just want to love all beings and assess a given being individually rather than having foregone negative conclusions about an entire race of ETs.
You know, I have wanted to do this for a long time, but in order to get some past life details (to find patterns and keys to better understanding this life), but I never thought about it in the context of uncovering an alien memory. I AM open to that line of investigation, though. The problem becomes how do you find someone qualified to do this? There are so many charlatans out there, how does one locate someone reliable, kind and STO who offers regression services?
Now THAT sounds very interesting, too. I have never even heard of that. It's probably the same dilemma with finding a practicioner, but I will research this concept more and see what I can find out.
Oh yes, definitely. That's a very distinct possibility, especially given that I've had it since I was very young.
Hmmm... Now that is an interesting thought. Yes, I was a child during that time period (I'm 31 now). I didn't really have much (ha, hardly any) adult supervision as a child so maybe I watched something like that, but I honestly don't remember it. I did unfortunately see the Exorcist at a young age (I was forced to watch part of it by a misguided adult), which kept me worried about demons under the bed for years. But I let all that fear go a long time ago, when I became an adult. Same thing with ghosts and vampires, those childhood concerns just melted away as I got older. But the Greys never ceased to scare me. No change at all.
Funnily enough, we moved to a nice big house a few years ago, and we chose a room in the finished basement as our bedroom (for a variety of reasons -- it's great). But one thing that I loved about it was no windows!! I spend a lot of time outside, but at night I sleep better with no windows.
Sorry, I'm not ready for that yet. Seriously I can't stand more than a few seconds without panicking. I think I'll work with the technique JoshC shared with me and also the exercise from Lavazza. Maybe if I can desensitize myself a bit to the images first, then I could take your suggestion. But I don't think I'm ready yet, sorry!
No, it's not that far-fetched. It's certainly possible it could be that simple.
I own a copy of the book, I ordered it a while back, but I have not yet read it. I have read and re-read the Ra Material over and over again, but I have not been as profoundly affected by the other L/L channelings. I mean, they seem perfectly compatible and a good source of wisdom, I just haven't taken the time to study them to the same level. I will try to start again this weekend -- it's something I've been meaning to read for a while. I can't imagine the concept of an abduction to wake someone up. Seems to me it would just turn them off to ET experiences in general, but I will do some reading before sticking my foot too firmly in my mouth.
Wow, OK, now THIS is very perceptive. I did suffer a fair amount of trauma/child abuse when I was quite young, but I feel like I've long-since worked past all of that old garbage and have reached a place of love, forgiveness, and healing. It honestly never occurred to me that the Grey fear could have been a transference, but there IS indeed some solid logic to that theory. I mean, I remember the old abuse clearly enough and don't recall aliens being involved, but who knows what the frightened mind of a child may invent. What a bizarre thing to do transfer fear into, but it does sound plausible. I will have to give this some deeper thought. If that IS what happened, then it's not serving me any good right now and I'd like to cast it off. Or it could be totally unrelated, but definitely worth pondering. Thank you once again for your insight... Whether it is ultimately true or false, I never actually thought of it before in all this time.
Hi dolphin,
I watched that video yesterday when Eddie posted it, but to be perfectly honest with you I found a lot of fear and doom and gloom embedded in the message from those greys. Peter certainly seemed to think it was a good experience, but the implant mark on the neck and the "flee the planet" stuff didn't sit right with me. Nevertheless, I think I see your point. There's nothing saying that if I should meet some of them that it has to be a negative experience.
You are absolutely right on all of those points. Thank you for providing me with a clear, rational view of the situation. Since (as far as I know) I have NOT been harmed, there's no reason to assume that I will be. Perhaps a little Vulcan perspective is what's needed in this emotion-soaked issue!
Thanks.
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Well guys, thanks once again for taking the time out of your busy schedules to share with me your suggestions and insight. This was very healing for me. When I first posted about it, I felt like I had already exhausted all my options for tackling this problem. I was weary and upset about the whole thing and really just stretched my hand out in desperation. Now I have some real, practical avenues I can explore to work on the problem. Thanks to you all, I have a a bunch of different directions I can go in and things I can try. First I will work on dealing with the fear and next on transmuting all those negative emotions into universal love. Thank you, dear friends, for giving me such great suggestions and loving insight into my dilemma.
I will continue my inner work on this, fortified by your support and kindness. My goal is to find love and forgiveness for all beings, even Grey ones! Please accept my sincere and deepest gratitude for your assistance on that journey. I am truly blessed to know this fine group of seekers.
Love to all
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, thank you! I am deeply touched and humbled by your kindness and wisdom. This is something I have struggled with for a very long time, but I never speak about, for obvious reasons. However, I really feel I needed the outside perspectives, grounded in the Law of One, to help me work through this terror. So, I gave a call for support, and WOW did you guys come through!! Thank you so much!! Each person gave me something unique and valuable that I can use. I know this is not something I am going to be able to transmute overnight, but I now at least have some tools and concepts to work with so that I can begin a constructive process. It may be a long road, but at least I have a starting point now. I am eternally grateful for that.
(05-11-2010, 03:03 PM)JoshC Wrote: I don't have any spiritual guidance for this topic, but if you would like to try something called systematic desensitization, that could potentially help you reduce your fear of the greys.
Systematic desensitization is recognized as the treatment in cognitive therapy for phobias.
When you can do this whole process dealing with the number 1 on your list for about 5 seconds,
repeat all these steps with the number 2 on your list. Then 3, 4, 5, 10, etc. Obviously this will get harder and harder as you go higher up the list, but even if you make it to 5 or 10, your fear will be reduced somewhat of them.
Now this is very useful, indeed! I had never heard of "systematic desensitization" but this does sound like something that could possibly help me with the animalistic reaction to the sight of them. I have some good experience with transmuting hurt or anger into love with people in deep meditation, but the panic I feel when I think on their image always blocks me from meditating on it very deeply. Perhaps with time I can desensitize myself enough to the images that I can deal with it more effectively in mediation. Thank you so much for sharing this concept with me, I have been reading about it this morning. Much appreciated!!
(05-11-2010, 04:30 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Can you imagine what exactly makes you fearful of the Greys, then imagining what their motivation for having those qualities might be, accepting it as valid, forgiving it, realizing that they are one with you and as consequence loving them?
Hmm... This is an interesting thought. I've always reacted very strongly and negatively to them but without having any real basis for that reaction. So, I'm not really sure what it is that makes me so fearful of them, but perhaps I have some unconscious assumption about what they and their motivations are that was formed before I had a LOO foundation. I will try to imagine worst case behavior scenarios and then try to further imagine their motivations for those scenarios and try to use THAT as a key to understanding and then forgiveness. Since I don't have any reliable data about them, this stream of hypotheticals will have to suffice. Thank you for the suggestion!!
(05-11-2010, 04:30 PM)Lavazza Wrote: P.S. kudos for having no fear of sharks!Well, I generally tread very lightly on the earth and am kind to the animal kingdom, and so it sort of reciprocates and treads lightly on me. I never really have any issues with animals, so I wouldn't figure sharks would be any more of a problem. I doubt my soul needs that random catalyst to learn anything. Besides, for some reason whenever I dive I see dolphins. Almost every single time no matter where I am! I have this gut feeling that if a shark ever did get aggressive with me, if I couldn't get away then a dolphin would lend me a helping fin. Maybe that's irrational, but those two concepts (no real danger from animals and dolphin rescue backup plan) make me feel safe from sharks when I dive.
(05-11-2010, 08:51 PM)Cyclops Wrote: This is a long post but there is a hierarchy which starts from the general concerns of thought forms of alien abductions and general fears in that area with greys included. Following is the nature of fear which I think connects here and beyond that the teachings of unity, balance and the disciplines of oneness which may be invoked as true protection.
Cyclops, thank you for these quotes. You carefully mined the archives for the inspiration I needed.
It was more than JUST a search string, you clearly put a great deal of thought into linking these relevant quotes together in a way that would help me as I worked through intertwined issues. I am grateful for your service, brother, thank you. It's especially helpful because though I know the Ra material very well, I am not so familiar with the other channellings and don't normally think to review them. The themes you chose are exactly what I needed.
(05-11-2010, 08:51 PM)Cyclops Wrote: There's a not so hidden secret in the sessions on the nature of true love, And that is that it is unbiased always and unconditional. Intelligent infinity which is the one infinite creator has no bias and sought to know it's nature, everything is permissible and all experiences shall be experienced. Therefore the true defense would be to recognize that it is not needed, pure balance and an impersonal view is what is said to be unconditional love. It is the great protector when you really realize that no one part of the creation is undesirable or actually needed to be feared, and if it is thought as such then there is distortion of unconditional impersonal unbiased love. Fear is a distortion of love and therefore at least to me I believe it should be met with utter balance, that detached yet learning entity. Invoking balance and faith is like opening the door to the creator, seek the subtly hidden deeper distortions underneath the greys which are feared so much. For I suspect there are deeper roots of spiritual lessons beyond the simple manifestations of the fear of greys.
Beautifully said, and you are correct. Thank you for sharing those words of wisdom with me.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-11-2010, 11:27 AM)Pablísimo Wrote: It has occurred to me that I could have been abducted at some point when I was very young. That possibility would explain why the terror is so unreasonable, visceral and unthinking.
This would certainly explain it. And yet, it could also be the key to alleviating the fear. Why? Because, if you were abducted, what does that tell you?
It tells you that you survived.
I invite you to ponder that. If you survived, then the fear of being abducted may be worse than the reality itself. Sometimes it helps, when dealing with a fear, to actually confront the worst case scenario.
If it did happen, you were very young. You were defenseless, essentially. You didn't have the knowledge or the tools you have now. So there's no way it could be nearly as frightening, as an adult, as it was as a child.
Well, just to be clear I only meant I had considered the possibility that I could have been abducted when very young, I'm not actually claiming that I was abducted. I have absolutely no memories of any abduction nor really any other evidence to suggest that it ever happened. I'm open-minded enough to at least allow for the possibility that they did something to me a long time ago, but due to a lack of memories or evidence, I am mostly operating under the assumption that the fear is baseless. I have no way to know what their true polarity is, but it's possible they are STO, or as you said, a mix of different polarities. I just want to love all beings and assess a given being individually rather than having foregone negative conclusions about an entire race of ETs.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Have you considered doing a regression or hypnosis? Evidently, many who believe they were abducted have found healing in such methods.
You know, I have wanted to do this for a long time, but in order to get some past life details (to find patterns and keys to better understanding this life), but I never thought about it in the context of uncovering an alien memory. I AM open to that line of investigation, though. The problem becomes how do you find someone qualified to do this? There are so many charlatans out there, how does one locate someone reliable, kind and STO who offers regression services?
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: A less confrontative method, that you might consider, is shamanic soul retrieval. The premise for soul retrieval is that a sliver of the personality got stuck in a state of fear, due to some traumatic event. It may allow re-integration of the splintered self, without necessarily directly going back into the traumatic event. (Although some techniques do just that, but it's done consciously, rather than under hypnosis.)
Now THAT sounds very interesting, too. I have never even heard of that. It's probably the same dilemma with finding a practicioner, but I will research this concept more and see what I can find out.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Could it be that the fear is totally unfounded?
Oh yes, definitely. That's a very distinct possibility, especially given that I've had it since I was very young.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Consider this: What if you were never abducted by aliens at all, but just took on a fear that manifested in that form, because of something you saw in a tv show or movie?
The scene you describe, of being terrified of being pulled out your bedroom window, sounds strikingly familiar.
Aha!!! I remember where I saw that exact scene: The X-Files.
Were you a child in the 1980s, perhaps? If someone in your house was watching The X-Files, and you saw it when you were too young to understand, that could surely explain your irrational fear!
Perhaps your fear is based on something really simple like that. Perhaps you were never abducted at all, but just saw a scary tv show!
Hmmm... Now that is an interesting thought. Yes, I was a child during that time period (I'm 31 now). I didn't really have much (ha, hardly any) adult supervision as a child so maybe I watched something like that, but I honestly don't remember it. I did unfortunately see the Exorcist at a young age (I was forced to watch part of it by a misguided adult), which kept me worried about demons under the bed for years. But I let all that fear go a long time ago, when I became an adult. Same thing with ghosts and vampires, those childhood concerns just melted away as I got older. But the Greys never ceased to scare me. No change at all.
Funnily enough, we moved to a nice big house a few years ago, and we chose a room in the finished basement as our bedroom (for a variety of reasons -- it's great). But one thing that I loved about it was no windows!! I spend a lot of time outside, but at night I sleep better with no windows.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If so, then it might be easily remedied: Just buy or rent The X-Files 'Alien' episodes (we have it on a shelf somewhere...forgot what it was called...but it's a set of all the alien episodes, minus the creature features). If you were to watch them with you new, adult perspective, following the storyline, that might not be so scary anymore.
Wait! I know you said it is virtually impossible to even see a picture of a Gray. But, perhaps - and this is only an idea - perhaps if you were to see the tv show in its proper context, and see all its flaws
Sorry, I'm not ready for that yet. Seriously I can't stand more than a few seconds without panicking. I think I'll work with the technique JoshC shared with me and also the exercise from Lavazza. Maybe if I can desensitize myself a bit to the images first, then I could take your suggestion. But I don't think I'm ready yet, sorry!
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That's all presupposing the fear was rooted in seeing an X-Files episode(s). I don't think this idea is far-fetched, after my experience with the hand and the monster!
No, it's not that far-fetched. It's certainly possible it could be that simple.
(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Next: Have you read Secrets of the UFO? I don't remember whether it was in that, or in the Law of One, that it was stated that many abductions took place for the purpose of 'waking up' the person.
I own a copy of the book, I ordered it a while back, but I have not yet read it. I have read and re-read the Ra Material over and over again, but I have not been as profoundly affected by the other L/L channelings. I mean, they seem perfectly compatible and a good source of wisdom, I just haven't taken the time to study them to the same level. I will try to start again this weekend -- it's something I've been meaning to read for a while. I can't imagine the concept of an abduction to wake someone up. Seems to me it would just turn them off to ET experiences in general, but I will do some reading before sticking my foot too firmly in my mouth.

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: PS. When children are abused, they sometimes transfer the fear of the abuser onto something else. In fact, some psychologists (who don't believe in aliens) think that all abductees are actually just fabricating the whole alien abduction story, and what really happened was that they just transferred the fear of their abuser onto a fictitious alien.
We know aliens really do exist, and some are STO while others are STS, and undoubtedly many are like humans - mixed polarity. However, that doesn't rule out the possibility that transference didn't actually take place. In other words, just because there really are aliens doesn't mean that everyone with a fear of aliens was actually abducted.
While some people who believe themselves to be abducteesmight really be abductees, others might not be at all. They might be victims of child abuse who were never abducted, but simply transferred the fear of the abuser into a convenient alien, after seeing a tv show like The X-Files.
Unfortunately, there are many forms of abuse, and children, ill-equipped to handle it, often build walls in their psyches, to avoid the pain. I would surmise that, somehow, as a child you associated aliens with something that happened to you. The actual event might have had nothing at all to do with aliens.
Wow, OK, now THIS is very perceptive. I did suffer a fair amount of trauma/child abuse when I was quite young, but I feel like I've long-since worked past all of that old garbage and have reached a place of love, forgiveness, and healing. It honestly never occurred to me that the Grey fear could have been a transference, but there IS indeed some solid logic to that theory. I mean, I remember the old abuse clearly enough and don't recall aliens being involved, but who knows what the frightened mind of a child may invent. What a bizarre thing to do transfer fear into, but it does sound plausible. I will have to give this some deeper thought. If that IS what happened, then it's not serving me any good right now and I'd like to cast it off. Or it could be totally unrelated, but definitely worth pondering. Thank you once again for your insight... Whether it is ultimately true or false, I never actually thought of it before in all this time.
(05-12-2010, 10:47 AM)dolphin Wrote: Try watching this. It might help.
Interview with Peter Sterling relating his encounter with two friendly GREY's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQbf4vOx_g
Hi dolphin,
I watched that video yesterday when Eddie posted it, but to be perfectly honest with you I found a lot of fear and doom and gloom embedded in the message from those greys. Peter certainly seemed to think it was a good experience, but the implant mark on the neck and the "flee the planet" stuff didn't sit right with me. Nevertheless, I think I see your point. There's nothing saying that if I should meet some of them that it has to be a negative experience.
(05-12-2010, 10:47 AM)dolphin Wrote: Always try and remember to remind yourself of the old saying that goes: "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself."
That won't work if your actually being subjected to intentional harm, but there is no reason to assume that when you have your next encounter your going to be subjected to it.
Point is until your actually subjected to harm, or threatened directly during an encounter there is no basis for fear.
I am trying to appeal to your rationality and logic to control your emotion. In other words approach the issue as if you were a Vulcan.
You are absolutely right on all of those points. Thank you for providing me with a clear, rational view of the situation. Since (as far as I know) I have NOT been harmed, there's no reason to assume that I will be. Perhaps a little Vulcan perspective is what's needed in this emotion-soaked issue!
Thanks.
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Well guys, thanks once again for taking the time out of your busy schedules to share with me your suggestions and insight. This was very healing for me. When I first posted about it, I felt like I had already exhausted all my options for tackling this problem. I was weary and upset about the whole thing and really just stretched my hand out in desperation. Now I have some real, practical avenues I can explore to work on the problem. Thanks to you all, I have a a bunch of different directions I can go in and things I can try. First I will work on dealing with the fear and next on transmuting all those negative emotions into universal love. Thank you, dear friends, for giving me such great suggestions and loving insight into my dilemma.
I will continue my inner work on this, fortified by your support and kindness. My goal is to find love and forgiveness for all beings, even Grey ones! Please accept my sincere and deepest gratitude for your assistance on that journey. I am truly blessed to know this fine group of seekers.
Love to all