10-25-2016, 12:20 AM
Ngungu'taota, Tutskwa I'qatsi,
Thank you for your thoughts and questions. Please note that I do not claim to be an expert on all subjects, but I will share the Hopi knowledge as accurately as possible, using direct quotes from my Hopi father at times to insure correctness.
Kaaron-- I am sorry we had a misunderstanding. The Hopi information is as I gave it, which does not relate to your Jewish thesis, as you pointed out. The question about Moses and Aaron is for each person to decide for themselves.
GentleWanderer-- I can feel that you are very much like your username, so I do not wish to cause you any discomfort. But many native people are upset by the NewAgey writings that especially proliferated in the 1980s, and thereafter. Mary Summer Rain is a good example of someone who invented a character (No Eyes) that sold her books. Many of these people wrote books, gave talks, and set up websites to make money, and did not accurately portray sacred knowledge. This was especially true of those who used popular interest in Native Americans to offer untrained and unauthorized sweat lodges, vision quests, etc. (at high prices), as SMC pointed out about cultural theft.
I do not wish to say anything about Drunvalo. It is not always easy to accept the truth, especially after our minds are filled with ideas we would like to believe. Goodness, compassion, kindness, love, beauty, and selfless service to our world and brothers and sisters ARE important. The personal half of our evolution (internal spiritual development) calls upon us to give to others. When we are busy helping those in need, we naturally forget ourselves, and in so doing we are on the road to the at-onement you mentioned.
hounsic-- I understand, new and different knowledge often does not resonate with us. Our quests for truth require open minds, being able to let go of old ideas when new ones are searched and found to be meaningful, not only in our minds, but also in our hearts and souls. As children, we were constantly reassessing the world, as adults, it is not as easy.
Diana-- To address your last question first: I am familiar with the Castaneda books, having glanced through them, but not reading them cover-to-cover. I cannot comment on what Carlos meant by “changing the direction of time” without seeing its context/meaning in the book.
For the Hopi, the Real Time we are given on Earth always moves forward, it is provided by our Earth Mother and is to be faithfully accepted, not fooled with. Our Real, Calendar Time affords us the progressive evolutionary route the Creator has designed for life to follow.
The website my Hopi father spoke at was called Spirit Web. It shut down around the year 2000, and when it was later reestablished, all the earlier content was gone. As I noted in the acknowledgements of the Earth Mother book, a person using the name White Tiger was present during my father's talks on the original Spirit Web, and later found me (I've used the same email address for many years) and sent me some of the chat logs from father' talks, some of which were used in the book. Here is a brief section of one of those logs (kwa'a means grandfather; Ookoomay is his granddaughter):
Log-file starts Sun Jan 24 08:25:27 1999 (MST)
Hopi kwa'a< The sacred path of Migration started long ago, when man was not
yet man, before he could stand up and walk. From that point, all who obeyed
their Earth Mother and followed this Path have evolved through many
different forms which pahana scientists call "species"
moonscape< yes,please tell us.
Solomon< Naangu'a i'paava!!! (((LOL)))
RunningRiver< I am listening with baited breath.S*
c_breeze< Ookoomay..mine is very fast now that I rebooted.
Ookoomay< we have evolved to this form of man now but we have one more step
to take. We do not use all of our brain or see all colors or hear all
sounds right now
Ookoomay< owi you me everyone in this fourth world have faced this six
times before with our Mother Earth
WhiteTiger< I ask that we all do our private talking with pm's, that
Hopi kwa'a can speak easy and let his words flow without the distraction of
our chatter...thank you...*S*
Your last question involves the '"bad" aliens and what they want with us according to Hopi teachings?” The answer relates to the question asked at the end of my last post: “how do they sustain themselves.” Your mention of the Mufon talk by a Native American who said “not to listen to extraterrestrials, that they are out to destroy and exploit us,” agrees with those we know of as space-timers-- those who deserted their Earth Mothers and natural evolution using “time as direction,” arrogantly putting themselves above our Creator. The Time Structure they are using is a natural part of the universe that was discovered long ago. It is the taboo place warned of in many sacred scriptures. The following should help answer earth_spirit's questions, too.
From the Earth Mother book:
“...American Indian prophecies (such as on the Prophecy Rock) warn us to steer clear of those that chose the zig-zag path instead of our straight line Time. On the Hopi Prophecy Rock, these beings are depicted as having no necks joining their heads to their bodies. Many people take this neckless head drawing as a sign that these beings are emotionless, because their hearts are not connected to their heads, but elders tell us it's because they lack the hormones produced by the thyroid gland (the thyroid gland is located in the neck).
These ungodly ones (departed God's plan for life) were once people like us who chose technology over evolution, making a grab at immortality in Space-Time. But it didn’t work out as they wished. They extended their lifespans, but like all biological creatures they finally die. When they die they are not accepted by a mother planet, and are biologically adapted to live in the darkness of outer space. Hence, references in some scriptures to being “cast out” to “outer darkness,” to “the deep,” or to the “pit of outer darkness.”
Those who choose extended life and technology over evolution become outcasts, finally needing to prey on others to sustain their lives. They know that when they die in Space-Time they will not receive newer and better bodies, as on Earth, but will devolve to a beastly form that cannot tolerate light. That is their reason for luring us there to replace those who defect: to sustain their lives by using us to replace their stale blood and withered organs. This accounts for many of the mysterious animal mutilations recorded. With this in mind, who would choose Space-Time over their Earth Mother and Her Time? My Hopi father explains:
“…The aliens, who will try to entice us to leave our Mother, have learned to manipulate Time; they can move around in Time….They can go backwards and forwards in Time, and in this way they can extend their lives. But however ancient they may be, they are not immortal. Their bodies age, although it takes longer. Even though they may look young and beautiful, by now they are very old, and their youthful appearance is superficial. Their internal organs are ancient and must be continually replaced. This is not what we want for our children and ourselves. It is not what I want. I want the incorruptible body of perfected man! I don’t want to have my gut sliced open from time to time and my innards replaced. I want incorruptible, internal organs...”
This post is getting long so I will stop here. You will probably have more questions; I will do my best to answer any you may have. Remember there is more information in the free Earth Mother book, if you wish to download it.
May the sun always shine upon you,
(now you know the meaning of this Hopi wish-- to not be condemned to the “Pit,” the darkness of outer space)
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel
Thank you for your thoughts and questions. Please note that I do not claim to be an expert on all subjects, but I will share the Hopi knowledge as accurately as possible, using direct quotes from my Hopi father at times to insure correctness.
Kaaron-- I am sorry we had a misunderstanding. The Hopi information is as I gave it, which does not relate to your Jewish thesis, as you pointed out. The question about Moses and Aaron is for each person to decide for themselves.
GentleWanderer-- I can feel that you are very much like your username, so I do not wish to cause you any discomfort. But many native people are upset by the NewAgey writings that especially proliferated in the 1980s, and thereafter. Mary Summer Rain is a good example of someone who invented a character (No Eyes) that sold her books. Many of these people wrote books, gave talks, and set up websites to make money, and did not accurately portray sacred knowledge. This was especially true of those who used popular interest in Native Americans to offer untrained and unauthorized sweat lodges, vision quests, etc. (at high prices), as SMC pointed out about cultural theft.
I do not wish to say anything about Drunvalo. It is not always easy to accept the truth, especially after our minds are filled with ideas we would like to believe. Goodness, compassion, kindness, love, beauty, and selfless service to our world and brothers and sisters ARE important. The personal half of our evolution (internal spiritual development) calls upon us to give to others. When we are busy helping those in need, we naturally forget ourselves, and in so doing we are on the road to the at-onement you mentioned.
hounsic-- I understand, new and different knowledge often does not resonate with us. Our quests for truth require open minds, being able to let go of old ideas when new ones are searched and found to be meaningful, not only in our minds, but also in our hearts and souls. As children, we were constantly reassessing the world, as adults, it is not as easy.
Diana-- To address your last question first: I am familiar with the Castaneda books, having glanced through them, but not reading them cover-to-cover. I cannot comment on what Carlos meant by “changing the direction of time” without seeing its context/meaning in the book.
For the Hopi, the Real Time we are given on Earth always moves forward, it is provided by our Earth Mother and is to be faithfully accepted, not fooled with. Our Real, Calendar Time affords us the progressive evolutionary route the Creator has designed for life to follow.
The website my Hopi father spoke at was called Spirit Web. It shut down around the year 2000, and when it was later reestablished, all the earlier content was gone. As I noted in the acknowledgements of the Earth Mother book, a person using the name White Tiger was present during my father's talks on the original Spirit Web, and later found me (I've used the same email address for many years) and sent me some of the chat logs from father' talks, some of which were used in the book. Here is a brief section of one of those logs (kwa'a means grandfather; Ookoomay is his granddaughter):
Log-file starts Sun Jan 24 08:25:27 1999 (MST)
Hopi kwa'a< The sacred path of Migration started long ago, when man was not
yet man, before he could stand up and walk. From that point, all who obeyed
their Earth Mother and followed this Path have evolved through many
different forms which pahana scientists call "species"
moonscape< yes,please tell us.
Solomon< Naangu'a i'paava!!! (((LOL)))
RunningRiver< I am listening with baited breath.S*
c_breeze< Ookoomay..mine is very fast now that I rebooted.
Ookoomay< we have evolved to this form of man now but we have one more step
to take. We do not use all of our brain or see all colors or hear all
sounds right now
Ookoomay< owi you me everyone in this fourth world have faced this six
times before with our Mother Earth
WhiteTiger< I ask that we all do our private talking with pm's, that
Hopi kwa'a can speak easy and let his words flow without the distraction of
our chatter...thank you...*S*
Your last question involves the '"bad" aliens and what they want with us according to Hopi teachings?” The answer relates to the question asked at the end of my last post: “how do they sustain themselves.” Your mention of the Mufon talk by a Native American who said “not to listen to extraterrestrials, that they are out to destroy and exploit us,” agrees with those we know of as space-timers-- those who deserted their Earth Mothers and natural evolution using “time as direction,” arrogantly putting themselves above our Creator. The Time Structure they are using is a natural part of the universe that was discovered long ago. It is the taboo place warned of in many sacred scriptures. The following should help answer earth_spirit's questions, too.
From the Earth Mother book:
“...American Indian prophecies (such as on the Prophecy Rock) warn us to steer clear of those that chose the zig-zag path instead of our straight line Time. On the Hopi Prophecy Rock, these beings are depicted as having no necks joining their heads to their bodies. Many people take this neckless head drawing as a sign that these beings are emotionless, because their hearts are not connected to their heads, but elders tell us it's because they lack the hormones produced by the thyroid gland (the thyroid gland is located in the neck).
These ungodly ones (departed God's plan for life) were once people like us who chose technology over evolution, making a grab at immortality in Space-Time. But it didn’t work out as they wished. They extended their lifespans, but like all biological creatures they finally die. When they die they are not accepted by a mother planet, and are biologically adapted to live in the darkness of outer space. Hence, references in some scriptures to being “cast out” to “outer darkness,” to “the deep,” or to the “pit of outer darkness.”
Those who choose extended life and technology over evolution become outcasts, finally needing to prey on others to sustain their lives. They know that when they die in Space-Time they will not receive newer and better bodies, as on Earth, but will devolve to a beastly form that cannot tolerate light. That is their reason for luring us there to replace those who defect: to sustain their lives by using us to replace their stale blood and withered organs. This accounts for many of the mysterious animal mutilations recorded. With this in mind, who would choose Space-Time over their Earth Mother and Her Time? My Hopi father explains:
“…The aliens, who will try to entice us to leave our Mother, have learned to manipulate Time; they can move around in Time….They can go backwards and forwards in Time, and in this way they can extend their lives. But however ancient they may be, they are not immortal. Their bodies age, although it takes longer. Even though they may look young and beautiful, by now they are very old, and their youthful appearance is superficial. Their internal organs are ancient and must be continually replaced. This is not what we want for our children and ourselves. It is not what I want. I want the incorruptible body of perfected man! I don’t want to have my gut sliced open from time to time and my innards replaced. I want incorruptible, internal organs...”
This post is getting long so I will stop here. You will probably have more questions; I will do my best to answer any you may have. Remember there is more information in the free Earth Mother book, if you wish to download it.
May the sun always shine upon you,
(now you know the meaning of this Hopi wish-- to not be condemned to the “Pit,” the darkness of outer space)
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel