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    Thread: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One


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    10-25-2016, 09:47 AM (This post was last modified: 10-25-2016, 11:42 AM by smc. Edit Reason: clarify content )
    (10-25-2016, 05:03 AM)Hohongwitutiwa Wrote: Nakwa SMC, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

    I will make reply this one time, so people can decide if what you say are the only reasons for not disclosing more information.

    First, I have already explained that I am not an official Hopi spokesperson, and that not all Hopi agree with sharing this information. I was forthright about that in my first post-- that means that I am not authorized to speak for the Hopi. That is your sole complaint and I have admitted it from the outset.

    This is not the sole concern. But in and of itself it is a most serious problem and to repeat that you have been "forthright" about your lack of authority to speak about sacred Hopi knowledge, doesn't (somehow) make your transgressions acceptable.
    But even if you did have permission - to speak for Hopi you need to show proof that you are a Hopi. You need to show credentials. Otherwise everything you're saying cannot be verified, and may be a fiction.
    How can you expect people to spend time considering your words if they're unsure of their provenance? Their legitimacy?
    So, of additional concern is that you say that you are a Hopi. This requires proof of lineage. If your adopted Hopi father passed in 1999 there should be no concern for his safety in your telling us his name. There should be no issue with you providing character references from other Hopi who can attest to this adoption. Otherwise it's impossible to know if what you say is the truth. This means it's impossible to know if your 'messages' are true Hopi sacred knowledge. This is not an "attack" but a sensible precaution.

    (10-25-2016, 05:03 AM)Hohongwitutiwa Wrote: You are apparently unaware of Hopi history. The present Hopi Tribal Council was not fairly elected. It is a false council working with the American government to assist business interests, which have desecrated sacred Hopi land and betrayed the Hopi Way religion.

    SMC is already (for many years now) aware of this aspect of Hopi history - and more. The situation is very complex and does not permit a reply here regarding these matters - without appropriate permission.

    (10-25-2016, 05:03 AM)Hohongwitutiwa Wrote: As to the authenticity of what I am sharing, readers will have to use their free will to decide about me and the information they are receiving based upon their discernment. In the end, as always, sacred truth must be found within the mind, heart, and soul of each of us.

    There is another thing you have failed to consider: there are strong religious and political feelings surrounding these matters, and harm can come to people by speaking out; harm has come to people for speaking out, even murders. That's a reason that people sometimes use aliases-- to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm.

    My future posts will continue to share the Hopi knowledge until it has been fully given. As I said before, I will respect the wishes of the readers and moderators if they ever wish me to leave.

    In this statement you show exactly the concerns that are warranted by Indigenous peoples. Hopi information is sacred and a "euro-american" who decides that he will speak for Hopi when there are such serious issues within the Nation can not be considered to be showing good timing or cultural sensitivity; and you yourself admit you don't have the authority to speak for Hopi!

    There are numerous website links that smc has access to - that prove you (and/or your deceased brother?) engaged/are engaging in, cultural misrepresentation and that an "Upaava" posing as an 'adopted' Hopi has been discussed with much concern, on American Indian Fraud watch list websites since (at least) 2005.

    Would you like these links (with proof of your fraud) to be posted here?

    You even acknowledge the very "strong religious and political feelings surrounding these matters" and speak of "aliases" and "murders" and "loved ones"... but what you show when you mention this is an incomplete truth - there are investigations for frauds of Indigenous cultures - but the aggressive actions are done by those committing the fraud when they're found out. Towards the whistle-blowers.
    *Links with hard evidence to prove this are also readily available.

    You have numerous online aliases/identities over at least the last 10 years.

    If members wish to continue reading your posts that's their prerogative.

    Mods are aware of this situation and yet to decide what action to take.

    Daniel/John/Joel/etc, etc, perhaps you have only good intentions and are fraught with worry over information you received/misperceived long ago, and decided you needed to undertake your own personal mission to share it. Perhaps you felt it wouldn't be taken as seriously if you didn't present it as coming from an 'adopted Hopi'...
    But please try to understand what you are doing is not sanctioned (or accurate), and you are causing offence and distress.

    smc

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    Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-19-2016, 04:43 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-19-2016, 09:22 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-19-2016, 01:20 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by anagogy - 10-19-2016, 10:12 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by anagogy - 10-19-2016, 01:48 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Infinite Unity - 10-19-2016, 01:49 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-19-2016, 02:41 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by anagogy - 10-19-2016, 02:52 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-19-2016, 03:42 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by anagogy - 10-19-2016, 03:53 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-19-2016, 04:46 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-19-2016, 05:09 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by hounsic - 10-21-2016, 10:04 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-21-2016, 11:12 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-19-2016, 05:07 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by sunnysideup - 10-19-2016, 09:31 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-20-2016, 12:08 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-20-2016, 06:46 AM
    - - by earth_spirit - 10-20-2016, 07:41 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-21-2016, 03:51 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-21-2016, 09:44 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-22-2016, 04:40 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-22-2016, 07:48 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-22-2016, 07:56 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-23-2016, 05:32 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-23-2016, 08:34 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-23-2016, 08:44 PM
    - - by earth_spirit - 10-24-2016, 11:03 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by hounsic - 10-24-2016, 06:33 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 12:20 AM
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    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-24-2016, 12:03 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-24-2016, 03:16 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 01:27 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 02:24 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Bumblebee - 10-25-2016, 03:54 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 04:58 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 05:03 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 09:47 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Bumblebee - 10-25-2016, 05:54 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 03:27 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 09:41 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-25-2016, 12:39 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Nicholas - 10-25-2016, 04:50 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Night Owl - 10-25-2016, 10:13 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 10:53 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Night Owl - 10-26-2016, 05:51 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 11:09 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-25-2016, 11:18 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-25-2016, 11:37 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by sjel - 10-26-2016, 12:45 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-26-2016, 12:48 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-26-2016, 07:21 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by smc - 10-26-2016, 08:26 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Night Owl - 10-26-2016, 02:57 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-27-2016, 12:17 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-28-2016, 09:00 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-28-2016, 09:38 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-29-2016, 05:00 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by sjel - 10-29-2016, 09:18 PM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-30-2016, 12:04 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Diana - 10-26-2016, 10:53 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Bumblebee - 10-26-2016, 11:09 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by BlatzAdict - 10-26-2016, 11:24 AM
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    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-30-2016, 03:46 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Hohongwitutiwa - 10-30-2016, 06:05 AM
    RE: Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One - by Kaaron - 10-30-2016, 03:11 PM
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