03-30-2011, 02:39 AM
There's a question where Don asks why 4D entities look different than 3D/5D entities, which look similar. I thought that was interesting..Ra seemingly not wanting to infringe on free will by identifying any attributes.
(03-30-2011, 02:39 AM)Derek ~ Wrote: [ -> ]There's a question where Don asks why 4D entities look different than 3D/5D entities, which look similar. I thought that was interesting..Ra seemingly not wanting to infringe on free will by identifying any attributes.
Quote:90.5 Questioner: You stated previously that fifth-density entities bear a resemblance to those of us in third density on planet Earth but fourth density does not. Could you describe the fourth-density entities and tell me why they do not resemble us?
Ra: I am Ra. The description must be bated under the Law of Confusion. The cause for a variety of so-called physical vehicles is the remaining variety of heritages from second-density physical vehicular forms. The process of what you call physical evolution continues to hold sway into fourth density. Only when the ways of wisdom have begun to refine the power of what you may loosely call thought is the form of the physical complex manifestation more nearly under the direction of the consciousness.
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43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.
(03-30-2011, 02:39 AM)Derek ~ Wrote: [ -> ]There's a question where Don asks why 4D entities look different than 3D/5D entities, which look similar.
(03-30-2011, 12:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly, the dual-activated types probably got harvested on a net negative planet or maybe less likely, but possible a planet that could not support 4D life at all. So you think 3D life here is 'negative'... I'd would imagine they'd be telling stories of war, subjugation, etc.
(03-30-2011, 09:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 02:39 AM)Derek ~ Wrote: [ -> ]There's a question where Don asks why 4D entities look different than 3D/5D entities, which look similar.
My understanding is that those from Sirius, for example, would continue to evolve from 'trees' in 4th. Then, at 5th, have the ability to choose a form. I know that's not an answer, but obviously if at 5th one can choose a body-complex manifestation and at 3D and 4D one can not - then what is the actual question?
(03-29-2011, 11:42 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]I'm officially convinced now. I believe it's gradual. I'm beside myself at how fluidly this thread moved.
I'm a new man again. Broke through a new wall I built. Nothing left to do but enjoy the ride. Funny, my joy is found in the family need you just described as something propable to go away. I'm going to go live for them in any way I'm asked. There is no rush anymore.
One last question. Are my kids going to have a full chance to polarize? They don't really seem to be the 4D variety.
(03-30-2011, 01:55 AM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]That nevertheless, I still hold to the non-gradualist thought, but non-dogmatically. If information, knowledge and evidence proves otherwise, I would immediately change my position. Moreover, what other option is there before truth? Truth does not care for what positions I hold personally. It is as it is.
Quote:82.12....
A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation. The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self. As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.
The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.
(03-30-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]When first getting into the Ra material and all the metaphysical/New Age material, I held firm to an "instant ascension" belief because I wanted so bad for it to be true. My own guides (through my unique channeling experiences) managed to dissolve this belief and open my mind to the beauty of life as it is now.
(03-30-2011, 09:17 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]My understanding is that those from Sirius, for example, would continue to evolve from 'trees' in 4th. Then, at 5th, have the ability to choose a form. I know that's not an answer, but obviously if at 5th one can choose a body-complex manifestation and at 3D and 4D one can not - then what is the actual question?
(03-30-2011, 12:04 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]Studying the "veil" today, I came across this. No time for me to contemplate if it applies to thread topic. Here it is
Quote:82.12....
A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation. The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self. As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.
The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.
(03-30-2011, 12:24 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps it's in relation to the idea that in this general area of our galaxy (or was it the galaxy at large), the bipedal form is typically used with the possibility of evolving from other forms. So when these other forms reach 5th, they must end up choosing the standard humanoid form recognizing it to be ideal.
(03-30-2011, 01:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? Are we trying to skip green by this very desire to know?
Remember, to ascend, we must accept that we absolutely do NOT understand.
(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]if this is a physical sphere, at what point the increasingly 4d entities will start inhabiting it. how will this habitation happen. how will the switch to this physical plane happen. wont there be difficulty for entities that are on bodies on the threshold yet.
if, that is not in a sense of a physical sphere, then wont there be a lot of difficulties for increasingly 4d entities living in this still negative societal construct, while increasingly inhabiting the 4d sphere.
(03-30-2011, 01:12 PM)Derek ~ Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]if this is a physical sphere, at what point the increasingly 4d entities will start inhabiting it. how will this habitation happen. how will the switch to this physical plane happen. wont there be difficulty for entities that are on bodies on the threshold yet.
if, that is not in a sense of a physical sphere, then wont there be a lot of difficulties for increasingly 4d entities living in this still negative societal construct, while increasingly inhabiting the 4d sphere.
Well, we know that those with double bodies have an extreme amount of compassion/service/love. It could be said that in this example they are in many ways not bound by the current 3d complex. I imagine that as this progresses, the difficulties would actually alleviate as the yellow ray wanes, having less and less of an influence as their main instreamings become 4d.
As far as inhabiting the sphere, I think it may occur simultaneously as the bodies evolve. It is simply a matter of perception, what with this shielding business.
(03-30-2011, 01:11 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 01:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? Are we trying to skip green by this very desire to know?
Remember, to ascend, we must accept that we absolutely do NOT understand.
Despite this, curiosity persists. I'll never pretend to understand, but I can't help but try.
Last night while I was meditating, I received the constant thought that I was concentrating too hard to the technical aspects of something that might not even matter to me. I'll continue my search for understanding, even knowing it won't come, but balancing this is something I also must learn.
I always figured the best path to polarizing for 4D would be to learn the Laws of Love anyways, the Law of One seems to be a few graduate courses ahead of that
(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 12:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly, the dual-activated types probably got harvested on a net negative planet or maybe less likely, but possible a planet that could not support 4D life at all. So you think 3D life here is 'negative'... I'd would imagine they'd be telling stories of war, subjugation, etc.
in negative environments its not possible to polarize positively.
so it wouldnt be possible for any 3-4d positive entities incarnating here, harvested on a net negative planet.
(03-30-2011, 12:56 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not too sure the bipedal ape form is ideal at all...it was part of the experiment for our local Logos, and several others formed around the same time.
Ra speculates that our Logos chose it to force us to develop speech instead of telepathy, and learn to use our hands (with tools) instead of our mind to manipulate material around us. It was to further veil our perception of existence. Not exactly ideal for much except this experiment we live in
(03-30-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]Out of simple curiosity, taking into account a gradual 4D body evolution, how do you picture the rest of ascension happening? Our bodies are only a single part of this. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Quote:16.44 Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?The context Ra uses this in confuses me...are all 4D entities bipedal? This means that evolution happens BEFORE 5D, and is not a conscious choice of that entity.
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.
That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.
Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.
(03-30-2011, 01:38 PM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]Out of simple curiosity, taking into account a gradual 4D body evolution, how do you picture the rest of ascension happening? Our bodies are only a single part of this. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Can I private message to you some time in the future, with my thoughts on why I think it is likely to be a non-gradual shift?
My thoughts are extremely subjective picked from multiple references from within the LOO. I could have got it all upside down in terms of understanding. Incidentally, my native tongue is not English. So in case my personal thoughts on non-gradual shift is filled with loopholes, I can spare myself a lot of blushes by not posting it in full view.
If I pm to you, only you can laugh, if my assumptions and beliefs are ridiculous
(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]if, that is not in a sense of a physical sphere, then wont there be a lot of difficulties for increasingly 4d entities living in this still negative societal construct, while increasingly inhabiting the 4d sphere.
Quote:One last question. Are my kids going to have a full chance to polarize? They don't really seem to be the 4D variety.
(03-30-2011, 01:11 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]I always figured the best path to polarizing for 4D would be to learn the Laws of Love anyways, the Law of One seems to be a few graduate courses ahead of that Tongue
(03-30-2011, 01:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ](silly comment) & Wilcock says a very high percentage of ET's look exactly like us, and that they will be making themselves known publicly very soon. What part do they have in evolution? Oh wait, it is us! & <- that's me rolling my eyes out of Love for all
Quote:90.8 Questioner: I see. Very roughly, if you were to move a third-density entity from some other planet to this planet, what percentage of all of those within the knowledge of Ra would look enough like entities of Earth so that they would go unnoticed in a crowd?
Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps five percent.
90.10 Questioner: Within Ra’s knowledge of the third-density physical forms, what percentage would be similar enough to this planet’s physical forms that we would assume the entities to be human even though they were a bit different? This would have to be very rough because of my definition’s being very rough.
Ra: I am Ra. This percentage is still small; perhaps thirteen to fifteen percent due to the capabilities of various second-density life forms to carry out each necessary function for third-density work. Thusly to be observed would be behavior indicating self-consciousness and purposeful interaction with a sentient ambiance about the entity rather than those characteristics which familiarly connote to your peoples the humanity of your third-density form.
(03-30-2011, 01:38 PM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]Out of simple curiosity, taking into account a gradual 4D body evolution, how do you picture the rest of ascension happening? Our bodies are only a single part of this. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Can I private message to you some time in the future, with my thoughts on why I think it is likely to be a non-gradual shift?
My thoughts are extremely subjective picked from multiple references from within the LOO. I could have got it all upside down in terms of understanding. Incidentally, my native tongue is not English. So in case my personal thoughts on non-gradual shift is filled with loopholes, I can spare myself a lot of blushes by not posting it in full view.
If I pm to you, only you can laugh, if my assumptions and beliefs are ridiculous
(03-30-2011, 01:53 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]That is awesomely humble. I'm going to use this as my own disclaimer for every post I write. Smile
(03-30-2011, 01:38 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ]The context Ra uses this in confuses me...are all 4D entities bipedal? This means that evolution happens BEFORE 5D, and is not a conscious choice of that entity.
This quote also offers some insight into the original purpose of this thread. My imagination of 4D is being stretched more and more...
(03-29-2011, 10:44 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [ -> ](03-29-2011, 09:22 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly, we know that the 4D DNA from the dual-activated (DA) types here now were not passed from the (non-DA) mother. So were did that genetic material come from? Presumably, the 4D DNA is in 4D space/time (connected to 4D time/space mind) - so 3D instruments can't detect it.
Since the 4D body itself isn't necessarily manifested (or is it?), does the 4D body need DNA?
Quote:65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?
Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third-density than for third/fourth-density.
(03-30-2011, 01:30 PM)Ankh Wrote: [ -> ]Unless I remember wrongly, Ra was referring to 4th and 5th densities with respect to negative environments - not 3rd density. In the same manner that this planetary influence becomes positive, and 4D negatives find another home, some planets have the bulk of 4D negative and the positive graduates find another home.(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 12:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly, the dual-activated types probably got harvested on a net negative planet or maybe less likely, but possible a planet that could not support 4D life at all. So you think 3D life here is 'negative'... I'd would imagine they'd be telling stories of war, subjugation, etc.
in negative environments its not possible to polarize positively.
so it wouldnt be possible for any 3-4d positive entities incarnating here, harvested on a net negative planet.
That's too bad. When I have time I will look it up in LOO as you might remember it wrong.
(03-30-2011, 01:58 PM)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]Humility in 3D is relative. It's like the appreciation 'love', where people tend to 'know it when they see it' - whatever their awareness can accept at that point, or whatever allows them to identify with it. It refers to a condition of being 'grounded', as far as one is able to notice and usually contrasted with conditions or situations which are or promote being less sincere or less grounded.(03-30-2011, 01:53 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: [ -> ]That is awesomely humble. I'm going to use this as my own disclaimer for every post I write. Smile
It is usually said that there are two kinds of humility. One is 'true humility', which is of course sincere.
And the other being 'false humility', which is an emotion masquerading as humility; but aimed at gaining compliments or special recognition through show of piety. I sometimes feel I am motivated more by 'false humility'.
Will strive to be more true as I spiritually mature, I promise
(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 12:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]My understanding is that those from Sirius, for example, would continue to evolve from 'trees' in 4th. Then, at 5th, have the ability to choose a form. I know that's not an answer, but obviously if at 5th one can choose a body-complex manifestation and at 3D and 4D one can not - then what is the actual question?
they are not choosing a form. 5d entities are able to mold their body into form. not one time either.
(03-30-2011, 01:40 PM)hogey11 Wrote: [ -> ](03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)unity100 Wrote: [ -> ]if, that is not in a sense of a physical sphere, then wont there be a lot of difficulties for increasingly 4d entities living in this still negative societal construct, while increasingly inhabiting the 4d sphere.
Didn't Q'uo correct Ra on the negative societal structure? I remember Q'uo saying that the 3 billion people who have been born in the last 30 years have been exceedingly bright and a great number of wanderers, and that we have already flipped our polarity into a positive majority. This is why the worldwide cataclysm that Ra predicted will not come to pass.
(03-30-2011, 11:57 PM)zenmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Unless I remember wrongly, Ra was referring to 4th and 5th densities with respect to negative environments - not 3rd density. In the same manner that this planetary influence becomes positive, and 4D negatives find another home, some planets have the bulk of 4D negative and the positive graduates find another home.
Quote:This may be another 'language thing', but when they mold their body into form, are they not choosing? They don't use their will to manifest a form? Not sure what you're implying. To me, that is choosing a form. Not sure what you are adding.