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Monica Wrote:Once a remedy is prepared past the 12th centesimal potency there are no molecules of the original substance left according to Avogadro’s Law in science. So there is agreement that homeopathic potencies are not toxic. However this is also why many orthodox scientists believe that they cannot work as they do not contain molecules of the original substance. This becomes a matter of evidence, which we shall discuss shortly.

(06-06-2015, 07:33 PM)Stranger Wrote: I wonder if you're familiar with the work of Jacques Benveniste, a brilliant scientist whose career and reputation were assassinated when he discovered the "memory of water", i.e., that if you dilute a substance in water while agitating it past the point where there is no actual molecular presence of the solute - just as you described - it nonetheless continues to act as if the substance was still dissolved in it.  He used heparin, an anticoagulant, and showed that water that had had heparin in it continued to act like heparin on blood.  


When he published his findings, he was accused of carelesness, investigator bias or outright fraud, and Amazing Randi was hired to go to his lab and uncover his "fraud."  Benveniste in turn built fully automated robotic devices that replicated his experiment with no human intervention, and sent it to other labs.  Some were able to replicate it, but still refused to acknowledge their own results except with lots of distancing and disclaimers ("our results were not inconsistent with those of Benveniste...").  

(06-06-2015, 07:33 PM)Stranger Wrote: Later, Benveniste claimed to be able to reproduce the same effect by magnetically recording the heparin-treated water's signature and replaying it.

(06-06-2015, 05:15 PM)Hotsizzle77 Wrote: The globalist are trying to make the vaccinations a requirement as another agenda in there quest for global raw power and what they're adding into the vaccines are dead brain fetal tissue that once entered into the blood stream will cause the brain's immune system to fight and kill its own essential brain cells. This ultimately would lead to autism and the child would be oblivious to it because there's no contrast to another condition. It's all a dumbing down, all for the purpose of compartmentalizing the masses into two sections, the intelligent elite and the mentally impaired.

(06-07-2015, 09:42 AM)Bluebell Wrote:

(06-06-2015, 05:15 PM)Hotsizzle77 Wrote: The globalist are trying to make the vaccinations a requirement as another agenda in there quest for global raw power and what they're adding into the vaccines are dead brain fetal tissue that once entered into the blood stream will cause the brain's immune system to fight and kill its own essential brain cells. This ultimately would lead to autism and the child would be oblivious to it because there's no contrast to another condition. It's all a dumbing down, all for the purpose of compartmentalizing the masses into two sections, the intelligent elite and the mentally impaired.

i'm sorry, wuhhh? autism isn't caused by vaccines, and we might be mentally impaired but we're not dumb. in fact autistics tend to be very intelligent if they bother coming out of the fog. how many times do i have to say this? autism is hereditary!

(06-07-2015, 12:00 PM)Bluebell Wrote: autism isn't a disease it's a way of being passed down generations and i don't appreciate being told who i am is some disease from random crap like vaccines. no doubt mercury makes sensitive creatures' bodies & minds upset but my essence from my ancestors is not that which can be created by poison injections, thankuverymuch.

(06-07-2015, 12:00 PM)Bluebell Wrote: autism isn't a disease it's a way of being passed down generations and i don't appreciate being told who i am is some disease from random crap like vaccines. no doubt mercury makes sensitive creatures' bodies & minds upset but my essence from my ancestors is not that which can be created by poison injections, thankuverymuch.

(06-07-2015, 01:59 PM)Shawnna Wrote: But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

(06-07-2015, 01:59 PM)Shawnna Wrote: Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism

(06-07-2015, 02:18 PM)Monica Wrote:

(06-07-2015, 01:59 PM)Shawnna Wrote: But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

This man who said that has never bothered putting himself in the shoes of an anguished mother whose child was developing normally, walking and talking, and then changed within just a few hours of being vaccinated, or even died within a few hours of being vaccinated.

A single case might be coincidence, but not thousands.

To say "there's just nothing there" is calloused and insensitive, not to mention ludicrous. The only way to say that is to completely disregard these true stories. They can spin it all they want but these are REAL people and they matter.

(06-07-2015, 02:23 PM)Shawnna Wrote: In my experience, no one goes into pediatric medicine because they are 'callous and insensitive'.

(06-07-2015, 02:23 PM)Shawnna Wrote: Let's focus on the real science Monica, not on the pain and suffering of the few who experience something and blame it on vaccines, ok?

(06-07-2015, 02:23 PM)Monica Wrote:

(06-07-2015, 01:59 PM)Shawnna Wrote: Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism

It goes back to the Figures don't lie but liars can figure. It may be that they haven't yet figured out exactly which poison in vaccines triggered the activation of the autism gene (or, as Bluebell might prefer, autism-like symptoms).

But saying "We have been unable to isolate the exact mechanism by which autism is triggered" isn't the same thing as "It was just a coincidence that the child's symptoms appeared within a few hours of being vaccinated."

The former is acceptable. The latter isn't.

The latter is what they're doing. That flies in the face of reason and completely disregards the very REAL incidents of children being harmed within a few hours of being vaccinated.

(06-07-2015, 03:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Right, as if it wasn't known by those who want it that way. Scientists do what they're being given money to do, nothing more.

Quote:Dr. Dalbergue (pictured above), a former pharmaceutical industry physician with Gardasil manufacturer Merck, was interviewed in the April 2014 issue of the French magazine Principes de Santé (Health Principles). You can read it here (in French): http://ddata.over-blog.com/xxxyyy/3/27/09/71/2012-2013/Juin-2013/Dr-Dalbergue–Gardasil–plus-grand-scandale-de-tous-les-tem.pdf

Excerpts:

Dr. Dalbergue Wrote:The full extent of the Gardasil scandal needs to be assessed: everyone knew when this vaccine was released on the American market that it would prove to be worthless!  Diane Harper, a major opinion leader in the United States, was one of the first to blow the whistle, pointing out the fraud and scam of it all.

Gardasil is useless and costs a fortune!  In addition, decision-makers at all levels are aware of it!

Cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, paralysis of the lower limbs, vaccine-induced MS and vaccine-induced encephalitis can be found, whatever the vaccine.

I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all times because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine, technical and scientific feat that it may be, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers.

There is far too much financial interest for these medicines to be withdrawn.

As we have reported in many previous articles here at Health Impact News, the HPV vaccine has become a huge international controversy, while enjoying widespread mainstream media and medical acceptance here in the United States. Any mainstream media reporter who dares to report on the controversy surrounding Gardasil faces ridicule and a potential loss of their career. (Just ask Katie Couric.)

U.S. law prevents anyone from suing Merck or any other vaccine manufacturer as the U.S. Congress gave them total immunity from civil lawsuits in 1986, and that legal protection which gives them a free pass to put as many vaccines into the market as they want to, was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011. In addition, the National Institute of Health receives royalties from the sales of Gardasil. So don’t expect objective, true information from the U.S. mainstream media, or your U.S. doctor.

But Merck does not have the same legal protection outside the U.S., and it is here we must find information regarding lawsuits over injuries and deaths related to Gardasil.

Quote:The sudden death of a 12-year-old girl in Waukesha, Wisconsin, just hours after receiving the HPV Gardasil vaccine has shocked the girl’s family, and sent local media out asking questions as to how this could happen. Here is a report from WISN 12 News.

Dr. Geoffrey Swain of the local health department was interviewed to give the standard CDC reply, which is similar to almost every other vaccine, stating that severe reactions like this resulting in death are “very rare,” and about “1 out of a million”.

Assuming that there is some data to back up the claim of only “1 out of a million,” how many doses of the HPV vaccine are administered every year? According to the latest statistics (July 2014) published by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services here (page 7), over 9 million per year. So the government admits that at least 9 girls per year are killed by the HPV vaccine. How many parents know this prior to taking a doctor’s advice to administer this vaccine that is supposedly a protection against cervical cancer caused by the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease?

Apparently, when the news broke that 12-year-old Meredith Prohaska died after receiving the HPV vaccine, at least one other parent contacted a local news station in the area to report she also had a serious adverse reaction to the HPV vaccine with her 17-year-old daughter, who needed urgent care at a local hospital. The local news affiliate asked the question: “So what are the odds another local girl had a similar reaction after getting the shot?”

Here is the report:

These local news media, possibly covering the HPV vaccine for the first time, were all quick to interview and provide links to the official CDC view of the vaccine. But here are some other facts regarding the vaccine that they failed to disclose, probably because they did not take the time to look outside of the standard government response to events like this, or their station managers did not allow them to give any other news outside of what the CDC claims.

1. There are many more reported side effects than just death from the HPV vaccine.

They include:
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Quote:Here is a story that originates from the French media about 5 families with vaccine-damaged children who are suing the drug manufacturers for vaccine damages.

You will not, of course, ever read a story like this in the U.S. mainstream press for the simple reason that families cannot sue drug manufacturers for damages due to vaccines – it is against the law. There were so many lawsuits due to vaccine damages and deaths in the 1980s, that Big Pharma blackmailed Congress by threatening  to get out of the vaccine business (which is exactly what should have happened if there were truly a free market in the U.S. where failed products and companies were allowed to fail) unless they were given legal protection from ALL lawsuits.

So Congress gave Big Pharma total legal immunity to any harm due to vaccines back in 1986, and the U.S. Supreme Court upheld that law in 2011. Instead, the U.S. law has set up a special “vaccine court” funded by taxes consumers pay on the vaccines. The U.S. Government has attorneys that fight on behalf of the government not to pay damages for vaccine injuries and death. But they have paid out millions of dollars in damages nevertheless, even though the mainstream media seldom reports this.

Just six months ago, hundreds of adverse reactions to cervical cancer vaccine reported in Japan, where teenagers were injured and disabled by Cervarix and Gardasil HPV vaccination campaigns. They are now voicing their disdain and stepping up efforts to permanently end the government’s subsidy program for the toxic injections. Just last month, the health ministry issued a nationwide notice that cervical cancer vaccinations should no longer be recommended. Japanese teens who received the vaccines are now in wheelchairs with damage to their brains and spinal cord. The side effects of the HPV vaccine include convlusions, grand mal seizures, blood problems, circulatory collapse, lymphadenopathy, chronic fatigue syndrome, foaming at mouth, transient blindness/deafness, paralysis and immune mediated disease. - See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/5-families-sue-big-pharma-in-france-for-vaccine-damages-to-children/#sthash.Kbzw4glv.dpuf

Quote:NELLO, age 3 Nello ran a very high fever after his Priorix booster (GSK vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella), when he was 19 months. A week later, his parents noticed that he was crawling with his thumbs clasped inside his fists. Eight days later, he was using his wrists for support and falling like Bambi on the ice. A month later, Nello was rushed to the Emergency ward: he was screaming in pain, his body curled up and his muscles rigid. An MRI of his brain revealed atrophy of the white matter (the myelin). The battery of tests they put him through eliminated any genetic, infectious or traumatic causes. “What could possibly have removed the part of Nello’s brain which controls all his motor skills?”, asks his mother, Sandrine.

(06-07-2015, 08:42 PM)Shawnna Wrote: "Similarly, the misinformation and ignorance of science of the anti-vaxxer movement not only endangers their own children but also affects the lives of the rest of the population.

The spread of pseudoscience can kill, and that’s exactly why we should be doing more to spread understanding of the scientific method, to equip others to apply scepticism in the face of extraordinary claims.

(06-07-2015, 09:36 PM)Shawnna Wrote: "It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud".

(06-07-2015, 08:42 PM)Shawnna Wrote: "Similarly, the misinformation and ignorance of science of the anti-vaxxer movement not only endangers their own children but also affects the lives of the rest of the population.

The spread of pseudoscience can kill, and that’s exactly why we should be doing more to spread understanding of the scientific method, to equip others to apply scepticism in the face of extraordinary claims.



http://theconversation.com/pseudoscience-and-conspiracy-theory-are-not-victimless-crimes-against-science-42630

(06-07-2015, 09:36 PM)Shawnna Wrote: "It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud".

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-autism-vaccines-mccarthy-view-medicine-science/

(06-07-2015, 10:07 PM)indolering Wrote: Quote all the idiotic propaganda you like Shawna, no one who can and does think for himself is impressed with Big Pharma lies and obfuscation.  Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, with the courage to risk his career to make known the research which prove his claims.  Your posts are too lame to read anymore, my dear.  A site like this is too hip to fall for the lies any longer.  We want the truth, the unadulterated truth - has Big Pharma ever lied to us?  Constantly!  Who benefits from Big Pharma lies?  Big Pharma, to the tune of billions of dollars.  Vaccine courts indeed.  Give us total immunity and we'll keep supplying the world with lethal cocktails.  I can't fathom that you don't see the duplicity in these things, Shawna.  Be that as it may, I shall now bow out of this discussion to focus on issues which have not been completely resolved.  Farewell and God speed.