To Vaccinate or Not

[Hotsizzle77]

The globalist are trying to make the vaccinations a requirement as another agenda in there quest for global raw power and what they're adding into the vaccines are dead brain fetal tissue that once entered into the blood stream will cause the brain's immune system to fight and kill its own essential brain cells. This ultimately would lead to autism and the child would be oblivious to it because there's no contrast to another condition. It's all a dumbing down, all for the purpose of compartmentalizing the masses into two sections, the intelligent elite and the mentally impaired.

[Nicholas]

It's a pretty simple solution if we actually think about it. "nope" or "yep".

Going back to the OP, it seems to me that GLB was concerned for the welfare of others. So too was Guardian. The answer to this topic is profoundly simple, as all things are in the bold daylight. "Do, or do not".

[Monica]

Dear friends,

This topic is one of the most hot-button topics in the mainstream right now, and it seems to touch on some very deep-moving streams of emotion which easily escalate a respectful discussion to that of personal jabs and attacks. The mods have taken a scalpel to this discussion and tried to separate the heated words of interpersonal discussion from the topic at hand. You may find the threads of personal disharmony relocated to the Community Relationships subforum.

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As you continue to discuss the topic of vaccinations, if you find yourself feeling heated and in an elevated emotional state, please take a step back, take a deep breath, and attempt to find the center of respect, compassion, and love with which we are all here to share.

Thank you all for your consideration and continued striving for harmony.

With love,
Bring4th Mod Team

[Stranger]

Once a remedy is prepared past the 12th centesimal potency there are no molecules of the original substance left according to Avogadro’s Law in science. So there is agreement that homeopathic potencies are not toxic. However this is also why many orthodox scientists believe that they cannot work as they do not contain molecules of the original substance. This becomes a matter of evidence, which we shall discuss shortly.

I wonder if you're familiar with the work of Jacques Benveniste, a brilliant scientist whose career and reputation were assassinated when he discovered the "memory of water", i.e., that if you dilute a substance in water while agitating it past the point where there is no actual molecular presence of the solute - just as you described - it nonetheless continues to act as if the substance was still dissolved in it.  He used heparin, an anticoagulant, and showed that water that had had heparin in it continued to act like heparin on blood.  


When he published his findings, he was accused of carelesness, investigator bias or outright fraud, and Amazing Randi was hired to go to his lab and uncover his "fraud."  Benveniste in turn built fully automated robotic devices that replicated his experiment with no human intervention, and sent it to other labs.  Some were able to replicate it, but still refused to acknowledge their own results except with lots of distancing and disclaimers ("our results were not inconsistent with those of Benveniste...").  


Later, Benveniste claimed to be able to reproduce the same effect by magnetically recording the heparin-treated water's signature and replaying it.

[Monica]

I wonder if you're familiar with the work of Jacques Benveniste, a brilliant scientist whose career and reputation were assassinated when he discovered the "memory of water", i.e., that if you dilute a substance in water while agitating it past the point where there is no actual molecular presence of the solute - just as you described - it nonetheless continues to act as if the substance was still dissolved in it.  He used heparin, an anticoagulant, and showed that water that had had heparin in it continued to act like heparin on blood.  


When he published his findings, he was accused of carelesness, investigator bias or outright fraud, and Amazing Randi was hired to go to his lab and uncover his "fraud."  Benveniste in turn built fully automated robotic devices that replicated his experiment with no human intervention, and sent it to other labs.  Some were able to replicate it, but still refused to acknowledge their own results except with lots of distancing and disclaimers ("our results were not inconsistent with those of Benveniste...").  

Yes. Conventional science says it's bogus because there are no longer any of the original molecules left, but they just don't understand how it works. It's vibrational medicine. The more it's diluted, the more potent it is. But it's not just dilution - it's the agitation - the medicine is energized with the signature of the original substance.

Memory in water...yes...that is what this is all based on. Our bodies are 70% water.

Dr Marcel Vogel - Speaking on the structuring of water

Water: The Great Mystery

Later, Benveniste claimed to be able to reproduce the same effect by magnetically recording the heparin-treated water's signature and replaying it.

Yes. There are now radionics cards available for all the homeopathic remedies. They can be replicated without the original substance at all, just using those cards and a radionics device.

THIS is 4D medicine!

[Bluebell]

The globalist are trying to make the vaccinations a requirement as another agenda in there quest for global raw power and what they're adding into the vaccines are dead brain fetal tissue that once entered into the blood stream will cause the brain's immune system to fight and kill its own essential brain cells. This ultimately would lead to autism and the child would be oblivious to it because there's no contrast to another condition. It's all a dumbing down, all for the purpose of compartmentalizing the masses into two sections, the intelligent elite and the mentally impaired.

i'm sorry, wuhhh? autism isn't caused by vaccines, and we might be mentally impaired but we're not dumb. in fact autistics tend to be very intelligent if they bother coming out of the fog. how many times do i have to say this? autism is hereditary!

[Monica]

The globalist are trying to make the vaccinations a requirement as another agenda in there quest for global raw power and what they're adding into the vaccines are dead brain fetal tissue that once entered into the blood stream will cause the brain's immune system to fight and kill its own essential brain cells. This ultimately would lead to autism and the child would be oblivious to it because there's no contrast to another condition. It's all a dumbing down, all for the purpose of compartmentalizing the masses into two sections, the intelligent elite and the mentally impaired.

i'm sorry, wuhhh? autism isn't caused by vaccines, and we might be mentally impaired but we're not dumb. in fact autistics tend to be very intelligent if they bother coming out of the fog. how many times do i have to say this? autism is hereditary!

You're right that many autistics are very intelligent! I don't want to speak for Hotsizzle but I don't think he meant that autistics were 'dumb' when he said there was an agenda to 'dumb down' the public. That's just a term referring to their attempt to control the public by various means: fluoride in the water, excessive medications, vaccinations, media programming, distractions, indoctrination at schools, etc. Everyone in this country has been the victim of 'dumbing down' to some extent! It doesn't mean we aren't intelligent.

You're also right that autism can be hereditary. Autism existed before there were vaccines.

But, it's also a fact that the incidence of autism has risen drastically in recent years, correlating with increased vaccinations. That doesn't prove anything because correlation doesn't equal causation. But, it is a fact that many children became autistic within just a few hours of being vaccinated. These are the parents who have documented their healthy children changing in a single day, yet the rigged courts rejected their cases. But their stories stand and are irrefutable to anyone who listens to them and sees their video documentation.

What does this mean?

I think it means that autism can have multiple causes. In some cases, it's hereditary. In other cases, the person likely had a genetic predisposition, but wasn't autistic until the vaccines triggered the predisposition into actual manifestation.

Many people have the 'cancer gene' yet never get cancer. Others do. Genetic predispositions aren't guarantees that the person will get the disease. Other factors determine whether the gene gets 'turned on' or not.

Getting vaccinated is one of those factors.

[Bluebell]

like i've said Monica autistics are SENSITIVE so vaccines harm us. this causes SYMPTOMS that people think is autism. it's not.

[Bluebell]

autism isn't a disease it's a way of being passed down generations and i don't appreciate being told who i am is some disease from random crap like vaccines. no doubt mercury makes sensitive creatures' bodies & minds upset but my essence from my ancestors is not that which can be created by poison injections, thankuverymuch.

[indolering]

autism isn't a disease it's a way of being passed down generations and i don't appreciate being told who i am is some disease from random crap like vaccines. no doubt mercury makes sensitive creatures' bodies & minds upset but my essence from my ancestors is not that which can be created by poison injections, thankuverymuch.

You apparently are involved with the autism experience, and no one is denying your own experience.  But Monica is correct in her explanations of the drastic increase in the rates of autism in America.  Regardless of how you feel about the link between autism and vaccinations, the evidence is there in spades.  Please don't refute the obvious and indisputable evidence just because your experience is different.  Both sources are credible causes.

[Shawnna]

Autism-Vaccine Link: Evidence Doesn't Dispel Doubts

"Parents are bombarded with information that can take a life of its own online. The concepts around scientific testing are difficult to understand, making it tough to separate good science from bad. Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism, it's difficult to definitively disprove anything.

"In the absence of any answers from the scientific community, any scintilla of suggestion is going to get magnified by the social process of talking it out," Sanders says. "All you need is one individual's story and it will expand."

And when something bad happens to a child, people demand to know what or whom is to blame. "Parents are clamoring for a cause," says David Tayloe, MD, a pediatrician in Greensboro, N.C., and president-elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"It's a terrible condition. It upsets families, and it upsets me." But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...nes-autism

[Monica]

autism isn't a disease it's a way of being passed down generations and i don't appreciate being told who i am is some disease from random crap like vaccines. no doubt mercury makes sensitive creatures' bodies & minds upset but my essence from my ancestors is not that which can be created by poison injections, thankuverymuch.

No one is talking about you. I'm referring to other people with autism whose autism appeared within a few hours of being vaccinated.

Their situations are different from yours. You can speak for yourself but you can't speak for them. Neither can I. They are speaking for themselves.

:idea: Maybe they need to come up with a different name for their syndrome, to differentiate their situation from those who were born with it.

[Monica]

But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

This man who said that has never bothered putting himself in the shoes of an anguished mother whose child was developing normally, walking and talking, and then changed within just a few hours of being vaccinated, or even died within a few hours of being vaccinated.

A single case might be coincidence, but not thousands.

To say "there's just nothing there" is calloused and insensitive, not to mention ludicrous. The only way to say that is to completely disregard these true stories. They can spin it all they want but these are REAL people and they matter.

[Monica]

Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism

It goes back to the Figures don't lie but liars can figure. It may be that they haven't yet figured out exactly which poison in vaccines triggered the activation of the autism gene (or, as Bluebell might prefer, autism-like symptoms).

But saying "We have been unable to isolate the exact mechanism by which autism is triggered" isn't the same thing as "It was just a coincidence that the child's symptoms appeared within a few hours of being vaccinated."

The former is acceptable. The latter isn't.

The latter is what they're doing. That flies in the face of reason and completely disregards the very REAL incidents of children being harmed within a few hours of being vaccinated.

[Shawnna]

But all the fear and anger about vaccines is misplaced, he says. "There's just nothing there."

This man who said that has never bothered putting himself in the shoes of an anguished mother whose child was developing normally, walking and talking, and then changed within just a few hours of being vaccinated, or even died within a few hours of being vaccinated.

A single case might be coincidence, but not thousands.

To say "there's just nothing there" is calloused and insensitive, not to mention ludicrous. The only way to say that is to completely disregard these true stories. They can spin it all they want but these are REAL people and they matter.

In my experience, no one goes into pediatric medicine because they are 'callous and insensitive'.

Let's focus on the real science Monica, not on the pain and suffering of the few who experience something and blame it on vaccines, ok?

[Monica]

In my experience, no one goes into pediatric medicine because they are 'callous and insensitive'.

Maybe not, but that was still a calloused and insensitive thing to say. Either that man never spoke with any of those parents directly and is just ignorant, or he chose to dismiss their experiences.  

Let's focus on the real science Monica, not on the pain and suffering of the few who experience something and blame it on vaccines, ok?

You're doing the same thing he did...minimizing and disregarding the real experiences of thousands of people. How is many thousands a 'few'? And even IF it were only a very few, they are still important and their stories count. They are part of the equation.

Medical research originally existed for the purpose of serving, but it has become all about making profits for the pharmaceutical companies. If the people are no longer served, but instead minimized and disregarded, then it has missed its mark.

It would be foolish to focus on these people's experiences while disregarding scientific research.

It would be equally foolish (or insensitive?) to do the opposite...disregard the very data the research is supposed to analyze.

[Minyatur]

Until scientists can prove exactly what causes autism

It goes back to the Figures don't lie but liars can figure. It may be that they haven't yet figured out exactly which poison in vaccines triggered the activation of the autism gene (or, as Bluebell might prefer, autism-like symptoms).

But saying "We have been unable to isolate the exact mechanism by which autism is triggered" isn't the same thing as "It was just a coincidence that the child's symptoms appeared within a few hours of being vaccinated."

The former is acceptable. The latter isn't.

The latter is what they're doing. That flies in the face of reason and completely disregards the very REAL incidents of children being harmed within a few hours of being vaccinated.

Right, as if it wasn't known by those who want it that way. Scientists do what they're being given money to do, nothing more.

[Monica]

Right, as if it wasn't known by those who want it that way. Scientists do what they're being given money to do, nothing more.

Like anything else, it's a mixed bag. There are honest, ethical scientists, and others who skew results for the money. And then those in the middle, who are conflicted, but afraid of losing their job (or worse).

Whistle-blowers don't get treated very well. They are silenced by aggressive smear campaigns...or worse.

There's a reason that much of the cutting-edge research is done in other countries. I witnessed this with my water machine. It's been used in Japanese hospitals for 40 years, but just now, in the last year, finally made its way into an American research university. And that was only because so many doctors were finally made aware of the research...they just couldn't ignore it any longer.

How many American doctors know that homeopathic vaccines got a 90% success rate in a trial of 65,000 kids?

Not many. So is it any wonder that parents don't know? Many think that their only option is the one offered by their doctor...who is tightly controlled by the medical industry.

[Monica]

Dr. Dalbergue (pictured above), a former pharmaceutical industry physician with Gardasil manufacturer Merck, was interviewed in the April 2014 issue of the French magazine Principes de Santé (Health Principles). You can read it here (in French): http://ddata.over-blog.com/xxxyyy/3/27/0...es-tem.pdf

Excerpts:

The full extent of the Gardasil scandal needs to be assessed: everyone knew when this vaccine was released on the American market that it would prove to be worthless!  Diane Harper, a major opinion leader in the United States, was one of the first to blow the whistle, pointing out the fraud and scam of it all.

Gardasil is useless and costs a fortune!  In addition, decision-makers at all levels are aware of it!

Cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, paralysis of the lower limbs, vaccine-induced MS and vaccine-induced encephalitis can be found, whatever the vaccine.

I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all times because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine, technical and scientific feat that it may be, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers.

There is far too much financial interest for these medicines to be withdrawn.

As we have reported in many previous articles here at Health Impact News, the HPV vaccine has become a huge international controversy, while enjoying widespread mainstream media and medical acceptance here in the United States. Any mainstream media reporter who dares to report on the controversy surrounding Gardasil faces ridicule and a potential loss of their career. (Just ask Katie Couric.)

U.S. law prevents anyone from suing Merck or any other vaccine manufacturer as the U.S. Congress gave them total immunity from civil lawsuits in 1986, and that legal protection which gives them a free pass to put as many vaccines into the market as they want to, was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2011. In addition, the National Institute of Health receives royalties from the sales of Gardasil. So don’t expect objective, true information from the U.S. mainstream media, or your U.S. doctor.

But Merck does not have the same legal protection outside the U.S., and it is here we must find information regarding lawsuits over injuries and deaths related to Gardasil.

Merck’s Former Doctor Predicts that Gardasil will Become the Greatest Medical Scandal of All Time - See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/mercks-...cKiUu.dpuf

The sudden death of a 12-year-old girl in Waukesha, Wisconsin, just hours after receiving the HPV Gardasil vaccine has shocked the girl’s family, and sent local media out asking questions as to how this could happen. Here is a report from WISN 12 News.

Dr. Geoffrey Swain of the local health department was interviewed to give the standard CDC reply, which is similar to almost every other vaccine, stating that severe reactions like this resulting in death are “very rare,” and about “1 out of a million”.

Assuming that there is some data to back up the claim of only “1 out of a million,” how many doses of the HPV vaccine are administered every year? According to the latest statistics (July 2014) published by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services here (page 7), over 9 million per year. So the government admits that at least 9 girls per year are killed by the HPV vaccine. How many parents know this prior to taking a doctor’s advice to administer this vaccine that is supposedly a protection against cervical cancer caused by the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease?

Apparently, when the news broke that 12-year-old Meredith Prohaska died after receiving the HPV vaccine, at least one other parent contacted a local news station in the area to report she also had a serious adverse reaction to the HPV vaccine with her 17-year-old daughter, who needed urgent care at a local hospital. The local news affiliate asked the question: “So what are the odds another local girl had a similar reaction after getting the shot?”

Here is the report:

These local news media, possibly covering the HPV vaccine for the first time, were all quick to interview and provide links to the official CDC view of the vaccine. But here are some other facts regarding the vaccine that they failed to disclose, probably because they did not take the time to look outside of the standard government response to events like this, or their station managers did not allow them to give any other news outside of what the CDC claims.

1. There are many more reported side effects than just death from the HPV vaccine.

They include:
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- See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasi...OEemS.dpuf

[Monica]

Here is a story that originates from the French media about 5 families with vaccine-damaged children who are suing the drug manufacturers for vaccine damages.

You will not, of course, ever read a story like this in the U.S. mainstream press for the simple reason that families cannot sue drug manufacturers for damages due to vaccines – it is against the law. There were so many lawsuits due to vaccine damages and deaths in the 1980s, that Big Pharma blackmailed Congress by threatening  to get out of the vaccine business (which is exactly what should have happened if there were truly a free market in the U.S. where failed products and companies were allowed to fail) unless they were given legal protection from ALL lawsuits.

So Congress gave Big Pharma total legal immunity to any harm due to vaccines back in 1986, and the U.S. Supreme Court upheld that law in 2011. Instead, the U.S. law has set up a special “vaccine court” funded by taxes consumers pay on the vaccines. The U.S. Government has attorneys that fight on behalf of the government not to pay damages for vaccine injuries and death. But they have paid out millions of dollars in damages nevertheless, even though the mainstream media seldom reports this.

Just six months ago, hundreds of adverse reactions to cervical cancer vaccine reported in Japan, where teenagers were injured and disabled by Cervarix and Gardasil HPV vaccination campaigns. They are now voicing their disdain and stepping up efforts to permanently end the government’s subsidy program for the toxic injections. Just last month, the health ministry issued a nationwide notice that cervical cancer vaccinations should no longer be recommended. Japanese teens who received the vaccines are now in wheelchairs with damage to their brains and spinal cord. The side effects of the HPV vaccine include convlusions, grand mal seizures, blood problems, circulatory collapse, lymphadenopathy, chronic fatigue syndrome, foaming at mouth, transient blindness/deafness, paralysis and immune mediated disease. - See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/5-famil...w4glv.dpuf

NELLO, age 3 Nello ran a very high fever after his Priorix booster (GSK vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella), when he was 19 months. A week later, his parents noticed that he was crawling with his thumbs clasped inside his fists. Eight days later, he was using his wrists for support and falling like Bambi on the ice. A month later, Nello was rushed to the Emergency ward: he was screaming in pain, his body curled up and his muscles rigid. An MRI of his brain revealed atrophy of the white matter (the myelin). The battery of tests they put him through eliminated any genetic, infectious or traumatic causes. “What could possibly have removed the part of Nello’s brain which controls all his motor skills?”, asks his mother, Sandrine.

5 Families Sue Big Pharma in France for Vaccine Damages to Children - See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/5-famil...w4glv.dpuf

[Shawnna]

"Similarly, the misinformation and ignorance of science of the anti-vaxxer movement not only endangers their own children but also affects the lives of the rest of the population.

The spread of pseudoscience can kill, and that’s exactly why we should be doing more to spread understanding of the scientific method, to equip others to apply scepticism in the face of extraordinary claims.



http://theconversation.com/pseudoscience...ence-42630

[Monica]

"Similarly, the misinformation and ignorance of science of the anti-vaxxer movement not only endangers their own children but also affects the lives of the rest of the population.

The spread of pseudoscience can kill, and that’s exactly why we should be doing more to spread understanding of the scientific method, to equip others to apply scepticism in the face of extraordinary claims.

LOL! Yes indeed, the medical system does call homeopathy pseudoscience, all because of the meta study which showed the opposite results of previous studies which did show efficacy. I already explained how their meta study was rigged.

So, are you suggesting that we reject all those studies I just posted, such as the one with the 65,000 kids who got a 90% success rate with NO side effects...NO deaths...Are you saying that we must reject all those studies simply because the medical system - you know, the industry that profits $300BILLION every year, $16BILLION of that from vaccines alone...says it's pseudoscience?

IF that is your logic (please correct me if I'm wrong), then we must also reject the Law of One altogether.

Because, after all, the authorities have not yet discovered any alien life in the universe. They would say we're all a bunch of crazies for believing this stuff! Therefore this whole forum is a sham...the Law of One is bogus...Why are we even here anyway? Aliens clearly don't exist!  :exclamation:  :exclamation:  :exclamation:

...

[Monica]

Secondly, Shawnna, I have some questions for you, if you care to answer:

1. Are you 100% certain that EVERY scientist ALWAYS follows the scientific method 100% of the time?

2. Are you 100% certain that NO scientist EVER has any biases?

3. Are peer-reviewed studies always reliable?

4. Are you 100% certain that NO scientific study EVER has its results skewed due to financial interest?

[Monica]

Lastly, I do agree with you about extraordinary claims. It is an extraordinary claim that injecting known poisons into the bloodstream, preserved with formaldehyde, doesn't harm the person in any way.

It's also an extraordinary claim that all those children who suddenly developed severe symptoms within a few hours of being injected with said poisons, did so purely on coincidence.

Those are very extraordinary claims indeed! :exclamation:

[Shawnna]

"It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud".

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...e-science/

[Monica]

"It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud".

Of course they did, just like they stripped of their licenses all the other whisteblowers. Bad for business.

[indolering]

"Similarly, the misinformation and ignorance of science of the anti-vaxxer movement not only endangers their own children but also affects the lives of the rest of the population.

The spread of pseudoscience can kill, and that’s exactly why we should be doing more to spread understanding of the scientific method, to equip others to apply scepticism in the face of extraordinary claims.



http://theconversation.com/pseudoscience...ence-42630

"It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud".

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...e-science/

Quote all the idiotic propaganda you like Shawna, no one who can and does think for himself is impressed with Big Pharma lies and obfuscation.  Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, with the courage to risk his career to make known the research which prove his claims.  Your posts are too lame to read anymore, my dear.  A site like this is too hip to fall for the lies any longer.  We want the truth, the unadulterated truth - has Big Pharma ever lied to us?  Constantly!  Who benefits from Big Pharma lies?  Big Pharma, to the tune of billions of dollars.  Vaccine courts indeed.  Give us total immunity and we'll keep supplying the world with lethal cocktails.  I can't fathom that you don't see the duplicity in these things, Shawna.  Be that as it may, I shall now bow out of this discussion to focus on issues which have not been completely resolved.  Farewell and God speed.

[Shawnna]

Quote all the idiotic propaganda you like Shawna, no one who can and does think for himself is impressed with Big Pharma lies and obfuscation.  Andrew Wakefield is a hero of modern medicine, with the courage to risk his career to make known the research which prove his claims.  Your posts are too lame to read anymore, my dear.  A site like this is too hip to fall for the lies any longer.  We want the truth, the unadulterated truth - has Big Pharma ever lied to us?  Constantly!  Who benefits from Big Pharma lies?  Big Pharma, to the tune of billions of dollars.  Vaccine courts indeed.  Give us total immunity and we'll keep supplying the world with lethal cocktails.  I can't fathom that you don't see the duplicity in these things, Shawna.  Be that as it may, I shall now bow out of this discussion to focus on issues which have not been completely resolved.  Farewell and God speed.

There are two N's in my name: S-h-a-w-n-n-a.

[Splash]

....Could we possibly come to a loose agreement that research towards vaccine safety needs to continue but that the most important measure to stop epidemics is vaccination for the main lethal diseases, and that an unvaccinated world population will produce PANDEMICS ?

Can we agree that education and transparency must be increased...  that we need to look into homoeopathy and greater vaccine safety - but primarily that we focus on improving safety - not advocating that people stop vaccination?

Can we agree that we have no idea of the harrowing experience of living with constant Epidemics that is the daily life or daily fear of a majority of people in 3rd world countries? and that we have no idea what it is like to experience the disease and death that occurs because of extreme poverty, polluted water, and continual Epidemics... ?

Lets put aside notions of conspiracy/big pharma/etc and realise this whole dialogue between us all is being had with full stomachs, access to ER's, via the luxury of electricity, close by clean running water... and sanitary bathrooms/toilets ?

Lets agitate for more and more accountability from government and medical personnel..  not advocate overall rejection to all vaccines...

(I've said it before).. but if the illuminati (exists) and wants to reduce the population - anti-vaxx are playing right into their hands with this advocacy...

I hear the parents who experienced the change in their child... I care -  I've looked after their child - 8 hrs a day 5 days a week... (some still think it was the vaccine..but most now don't).

I maintain that there's no point in having an unvaccinated "undamaged" child living in a world where diphtheria/cholera/ebola - etc is only a plane ride (or 2) from infecting them when they go to the local mall...


Lets shift all this 'right-fighting' to SOLUTIONS.. lets work together on B4 forums to discuss with each other constructive ideas/ plans of action (think global ACT LOCAL) and stop criticising each other  - and complaining about our (perceived) lack of power

and lets brainstorm/co-create research/accountability/ transparency to the best extent we can in our immediate environments etc

because this (like the meat issue) is going to go on and on and on and on... sapping energy, taking us from constructive offline activism.

(btw: I'm very interested in homeopathy/water imprinting 4D medicine and energy healing modalities ) (I'm an Usui Reiki 'practitioner' since 1994


Monica and indolering... if you have spare time at any point during your day, would you have a look at this link and learn about the numerous programmes in 3rd world countries to save lives through vaccination? If not.. okay... but if yes.. that would be really good...

http://www.msf.org/topics/vaccination

when you scroll to the bottom of the page there are individual articles you can go to.. and many many pages to go to...

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this is the "About" information for 'MSF':

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international, independent, medical humanitarian organisation that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural disasters and exclusion from healthcare. MSF offers assistance to people based on need, irrespective of race, religion, gender or political affiliation.

Our actions are guided by medical ethics and the principles of neutrality and impartiality.

A worldwide movement

MSF was founded in Paris, France in 1971. Its principles are described in the organisation's founding charter. It is a non-profit, self-governed organisation.

Today, MSF is a worldwide movement of 24 associations, bound together as MSF International, based in Switzerland.

Thousands of health professionals, logistical and administrative staff – most of whom are hired locally – work on programmes in some 70 countries worldwide.

Humanitarian action

MSF's work is based on humanitarian principles. We are committed to bringing quality medical care to people caught in crisis, regardless of race, religion or political affiliation.

MSF operates independently. We conduct our own evaluations on the ground to determine people’s needs. More than 90 per cent of our overall funding comes from millions of private sources, not governments.

MSF is neutral. We do not take sides in armed conflicts, we provide care on the basis of need, and we push for independent access to victims of conflict as required under international humanitarian law.

Bearing witness and speaking out

MSF medical teams often witness violence and neglect in the course of their work, largely in regions that receive scant international attention.

At times, MSF may speak out publicly in an effort to bring a forgotten crisis to public attention, to alert the public to abuses occurring beyond the headlines, to criticise the inadequacies of the aid system, or to challenge the diversion of humanitarian aid for political interests.

Quality medical care

MSF rejects the idea that poor people deserve third-rate medical care and strives to provide high-quality care to patients. In 1999, when MSF was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the organisation announced the money would go towards raising awareness of and fighting against neglected diseases.

Through the Access Campaign, and in partnership with the Drugs for Neglected Diseases initiative, this work has helped lower the price of HIV/AIDS treatment and stimulated research and development for medicines to treat malaria and neglected diseases like sleeping sickness and kala azar.

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"We Can Work It Out" The Beatles

Try to see it my way
Do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on?
While you see it your way
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone
We can work it out
We can work it out

Think of what you're saying
You can get it wrong and still you think that it's alright
Think of what I'm saying
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out



Splash

[Monica]

I appreciate your effort at finding common ground, Splash. I understand the gist of what you're saying but I don't think it's as simple as you seem to think it is. There are many other factors at play as to why people succumb to plagues. People in developing countries are more susceptible to some diseases because of lack of sanitation, clean drinking water, etc. On the other hand, people in industrialized nations are more susceptible to other diseases for other reasons: impaired immune system due to junk food diet, excessive poisons in the air, food and water, and...toxic chemicals being injected into them. It's a trade-off. 

It is precisely because I AM concerned about future plagues that I chose not to vaccinate!

Diseases don't strike at random. There are reasons, and diseases have life cycles. There are higher susceptibility in certain conditions. For example, obviously some diseases are a much bigger threat in impoverished areas lacking sanitation and clean drinking water. They cannot vaccinate for every known disease, and even IF they did that, what would be the cost to the person's health? It's impossible to know, but common sense dictates that the more poisons injected into the blood, the more potential risk to the immune system there is. Children already get 48 vaccines - each one containing a toxic cocktail of poisons - by age 6! Where does it end? Can anyone seriously suggest that there is NO price to be paid for injecting so many poisons directly into the blood? And let's not forget that they are preserved so they cannot be excreted like other poisons...meaning that they will accumulate over time.

And that's not even taking into consideration whether they are a slow, normal, fast or ultra-fast metabolizer.

The DNA test that my company does (also done by Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc.) acknowledges that, based on the person's metabolic ability to process drugs, drugs will either be efficacious, or toxic because they build up in the system. It is a known fact that slow metabolizers cannot metabolize drugs and that's why they are even more toxic for those individuals than for others, and 106,000+ people die each year from adverse drug reactions from prescription drugs used properly (not even counting overdoses, etc.).

If this is a known fact with drugs that are ingested, then how much more does this apply to drugs that are preserved and designed to stay in the body?

The irony will be that a virulent, mutated virus, for which there is NO vaccine, could wipe out much of the world's population, precisely because they were weakened by too many poisons in their system.

There is enough clinical evidence on homeopathy for it to be considered as a harmless yet effective, viable alternative. The medical system in the US will never study it seriously though, because there's no money in it. At the end of the day, drug companies study drugs so that they can make a profit. If there's no profit, then there's no research or development.

Thankfully, doctors in other countries are using homeopathy and gathering data. Parents have access to this information, if they choose to pursue it. They also have access to homeopathic vaccines, if they choose to find them. I advocate choice.

Undoubtedly, most of the people administering vaccines have good intentions. I speak not of them, but of the massive drug industry behind them.

I don't think the negative elite is trying to kill us all off. They wouldn't have any food to eat if they did that, being that they eat fear and hate for breakfast.

I advocate simply for people to investigate this and decide for themselves, instead of blindly believing the propaganda from the biggest industry/monopoly in the world.