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RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - xise - 12-19-2012
(12-18-2012, 03:22 PM)Cimi Wrote: May be off-topic, but I read that you guys sleep very little. However I myself "require" a lot MORE sleep then before. I have always seen this as something positive, like integrating and healing my body while my spirit is off playing in the astral realms. How come you need less sleep and I require more? If I only sleep, say 5-6 hours I become dead tired, If I sleep normally 8-10 hours I feel refreshed and vitalized. Any thoughts on this? Maybe I still have more "body-work" to do, and maybe my age of 21 is a factor in this? I read somewhere that the body reproduces all cells in 7-year intervals, and if this is the case I just got on my 3d cycle, maybe this can explain the need for more sleep?
Just some thoughts ^^.
Namaste.
I think biological/genetics is also a factor (as well as workings).
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Meerie - 12-19-2012
My sleep patterns have gone more irregular lately, sometimes I am so exhausted that I have to lie down as early as 8 in the evening, other days I wake in the wee hours of the morning after a short period of sleep, refreshed again and ready to get up.
Like Rie said, lots of catalyst can be exhausting and increase the need for sleep.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Cimi - 12-19-2012
(12-18-2012, 07:57 PM)indiGo33 Wrote: I sleep almost the same amount as you partly because a enjoy sleeping and partly because my college classes start very early. Nevertheless there are a lot of great things you could do while sleeping. For example, Lucid Dreams, Astral Projections/Sleep paralysis just to name a few and those things are definitely more awesome than the boring "real" world, jk) Plus I see your birthday is only day apart from mine, and we Novemberers tend to burn a lot of energy on all the daily activities)
Heh, tonight I slept 11 hours! Yeah I have been touching those subjects but never really tried hard to implement them. I have always had the thoghts of doubt that I'm not having what it takes to be able to successfully lucid dream or astral project. Altough it would be the most cool thing you could ever experience, I don't know why really I haven't felt more inclined to work on this ^^. Any few beginners tips or some good guides?
Cool thing about the birthday
Namaste!
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - indiGo33 - 12-19-2012
Quote:Heh, tonight I slept 11 hours! Yeah I have been touching those subjects but never really tried hard to implement them. I have always had the thoghts of doubt that I'm not having what it takes to be able to successfully lucid dream or astral project. Altough it would be the most cool thing you could ever experience, I don't know why really I haven't felt more inclined to work on this ^^. Any few beginners tips or some good guides?
Here is the technique that always works for me, it covers how to trick your body into believing you are a sleep while being consciously awake, as follows leading the body into the state of Sleep Paralysis:
Step 1:
Go to sleep at around 10:00 or 11:00 PM so you will be able to wake up at round 3:00 or 4:00 AM and your body will receive at least 4-5 hours of sleep. Usually your mind will naturally awaken at that time, however if you are a deep sleeper set up an alarm clock to wake you after 5 hours.
Step 2:
After awakening lay still preferably on your back with a silent mind for 25-30 min (time varies depending on the individuals state of mind) do not attempt to regulate your breath and instead observe your thoughts. Make sure your arms and legs are spread apart and do not cross, it is also important to keep your eyes closed and attempt to keep them focused at one spot (I prefer to shift them into Brow Chakra location)
The trick here is to lie perfectly still so your body will send a strong urge to change your position. It might feel highly uncomfortable at first but try to ignore that urge and continue laying still while observing your thoughts. The reason your body tries to change the position is because it sends a signal to your brain and expects a response back. By ignoring that signal you allow your body believe that you are a sleeping, therefore it will go into a self-defense mode and shift you into a state of total paralysis. At that point feel a strong and heavy vibration over your body, often rising from your feet up to your throat. Soon after you will be in a state of total paralysis, at that point you will see hypnagogics (obscure images/figures). You will hear unusual noises and witness "Shadow" Entities observing you (do not fear what you see, for nothing can physically harm you at that state) after a while of observing these changing patterns you will find yourself in a Lucid Dream. At that state you will be manifest literary anything your mind desires, you will feel powerful vibrations and weightlessness. What you'll do I'll leave to your imagination
Happy Dreaming)
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Cimi - 12-20-2012
(12-19-2012, 12:12 PM)indiGo33 Wrote:Quote:Heh, tonight I slept 11 hours! Yeah I have been touching those subjects but never really tried hard to implement them. I have always had the thoghts of doubt that I'm not having what it takes to be able to successfully lucid dream or astral project. Altough it would be the most cool thing you could ever experience, I don't know why really I haven't felt more inclined to work on this ^^. Any few beginners tips or some good guides?
Here is the technique that always works for me, it covers how to trick your body into believing you are a sleep while being consciously awake, as follows leading the body into the state of Sleep Paralysis:
Step 1:
Go to sleep at around 10:00 or 11:00 PM so you will be able to wake up at round 3:00 or 4:00 AM and your body will receive at least 4-5 hours of sleep. Usually your mind will naturally awaken at that time, however if you are a deep sleeper set up an alarm clock to wake you after 5 hours.
Step 2:
After awakening lay still preferably on your back with a silent mind for 25-30 min (time varies depending on the individuals state of mind) do not attempt to regulate your breath and instead observe your thoughts. Make sure your arms and legs are spread apart and do not cross, it is also important to keep your eyes closed and attempt to keep them focused at one spot (I prefer to shift them into Brow Chakra location)
The trick here is to lie perfectly still so your body will send a strong urge to change your position. It might feel highly uncomfortable at first but try to ignore that urge and continue laying still while observing your thoughts. The reason your body tries to change the position is because it sends a signal to your brain and expects a response back. By ignoring that signal you allow your body believe that you are a sleeping, therefore it will go into a self-defense mode and shift you into a state of total paralysis. At that point feel a strong and heavy vibration over your body, often rising from your feet up to your throat. Soon after you will be in a state of total paralysis, at that point you will see hypnagogics (obscure images/figures). You will hear unusual noises and witness "Shadow" Entities observing you (do not fear what you see, for nothing can physically harm you at that state) after a while of observing these changing patterns you will find yourself in a Lucid Dream. At that state you will be manifest literary anything your mind desires, you will feel powerful vibrations and weightlessness. What you'll do I'll leave to your imagination
Happy Dreaming)
Thank you
But isn't it hard to actually keep yourself from falling asleep and become unconciouss during this 25-30 minutes since you've just awakened? Any tricks to stay conciouss about this whole process?I also understand that this takes practice and isn't successful on the first try right? Like I am unusul to seeing "unreal" things and this hypnagogic state feels like it would freak me out. I still have had an experience where I dreamt I was being paralyzed and a tall grey entity floated towards me in my bedroom. Is there anything you could actually do or think to keep you from freaking out in fear when those things happen while your body is unable to move? Just to think that NOTHING can harm you will be enough? I'm thinking that it may be hard to manifest positive things while you are lucid dreaming if you just had a horrific experience.
Another question, I've heard that astral projection and lucid dreaming is in fact the same? Is this correct? One thing I would first like to check then for myself is that if the Earth is hollow and what it looks like!
Namaste !
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Mcik - 12-20-2012
What do people make of the Law of One introduction and how does this fit into the gradualist/everything will carry on as normal with some kind of golden age/4th density babies being born on this plane belief?
Quote:There is a season upon your planet which shall be highly traumatic
within your physical illusion. The physical reasons for this are varied.
Your scientists will spend a great deal of time, while they can, in
attempting to catalog and describe each of the conditions which will
produce disaster on this physical plane of your planet. That which your
scientists speak of is quite so, and will be part of the program which has
been predicted by all of those holy works which you have upon the face
of the Earth.
It is not either permissible or possible for us to tell you precisely what
events will occur, or when they will occur, due to the fact that the
vibration within the mind and heart of the peoples upon your planet is
determining and will determine the precise events. There is within the
planet Earth a great deal of karma which must be adjusted as the cycle
changes, and these things will manifest. Precisely when, and how, we
cannot say, nor would we wish to, my friends. For the rain, and the
wind, and fire, will destroy only those things which are in what you call
the third density of vibration. You may value those things because you
cannot imagine what a fourth-density existence will be like. We suggest
to you that you spend no time concerning yourselves with the effort of
maintaining your third density existence after the vibration change to
fourth density has been completed.
If, within your spirit, your graduation day has come, those things
necessary for your emergence into fourth density will be done for you.
All will be accomplished by helpers which you must be aware that you
have.
It is extremely possible that damage will occur to those things which
you identify with yourself in the third density. If we may speak plainly,
you will observe the valley of the shadow of death. These very words,
my friends, have been spoken to you before, and yet you cling to that
physical body and those physical surroundings as though your spirit
were attached quite permanently to them.
Quote:There is a choice to be made very shortly, and it would be preferable if
all of the people of this planet understand the choice that is to be made.
It will be difficult for many of the people of this planet to understand
what this choice is, because it is a choice that they have not considered.
They have been much too involved in their daily activities and their
confusion and their desires of a very trivial nature to be concerned with
an understanding of the choice that they are very shortly to make.
Whether they wish to or not, whether they understand it or not,
regardless of any influence, each and every one of the people who dwell
upon planet Earth will shortly make a choice. There will be no middle
area. There will be those who choose to follow the path of love and
light and those who choose otherwise.
This choice will not be made by saying, “I choose the path of love and
light,” or “l do not choose it.” The verbal choice will mean nothing.
This choice will be measured by the individual’s demonstration of his
choice. This demonstration will be very easy for us of the
Confederation of Planets in His Service to interpret. This choice is
measured by what we term the vibratory rate of the individual. It is
necessary, if an individual is to join those who make the choice of love
and understanding, for his rate of vibration to be above a certain
minimal level. There are many now that are close to this minimum
level, but due to continuing conditions of erroneous thought that
prevail upon your surface, they are either fluctuating around this point
or are even in some cases drifting away from the path of love and
understanding. There are many whose vibratory rate at this time is
sufficiently high for them to travel with no difficulty into the density of
vibration that this planet is shortly to experience.
There is going to be a Harvest, as you might call it, a harvest of souls
that will shortly occur upon your planet. We are attempting to extract
the greatest possible harvest from this planet. This is our mission, for
we are the Harvesters.
Is the Hatonn/Confederation bit in the introduction a load of rubbish? and if it is why should we give the accompanying Ra material any credibility?
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 12-20-2012
(12-20-2012, 05:23 PM)Mcik Wrote: Is the Hatonn/Confederation bit in the introduction a load of rubbish? and if it is why should we give the accompanying Ra material any credibility?I just read the online versions. What's the idea with the bold text?
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Monica - 12-20-2012
(12-20-2012, 08:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I just read the online versions.
link please?
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Aaron - 12-23-2012
(12-20-2012, 08:28 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(12-20-2012, 08:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I just read the online versions.
link please?
Seconded... Mcik (or zenmaster) can you give us the source of that material?
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Ankh - 12-23-2012
(12-23-2012, 05:32 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:(12-20-2012, 08:28 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(12-20-2012, 08:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I just read the online versions.
link please?
Seconded... Mcik (or zenmaster) can you give us the source of that material?
LOL! It's Law of One!
As Mcik said: "What do people make of the Law of One introduction and how does this fit into the gradualist/everything will carry on as normal with some kind of golden age/4th density babies being born on this plane belief?"
And then he provided excerpts from this introduction.
And my belief is that what zenmaster later meant is that he only reads the online versions, by which he might have meant that he doesn't read the introduction to the books, but only the sessions online. On the other hand, this introduction does have an online version, so maybe he can speak for himself.
Anyway, on page 33, in this online version of the introduction to the Book 1 of the Law of One, is where the first excerpt is located of what Mcik quoted. And on the page 34 is the second quote.
PDF file of the Law of One.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Aaron - 12-23-2012
Aaahhhaaaa that explains my confusion... the introduction.
So those excerpts are Hatonn, Q'uo, or another member of the Confederation as channeled by L/L Research. If it was from the L/L Research archives, I was more wondering what particular Q'uo session or sessions the excerpts were from.
Thank you for digging up that information though, Ankh!
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 12-23-2012
(12-23-2012, 11:28 AM)Ankh Wrote: And then he provided excerpts from this introduction.Yes, I meant the database versions. (own the books too, so don't read the PDFs).
And my belief is that what zenmaster later meant is that he only reads the online versions, by which he might have meant that he doesn't read the introduction to the books, but only the sessions online.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Parsons - 09-20-2013
I am on yet another re-reading of the Ra Material. I find I can look at it from a semi-fresh perspective if I wait 6 months or so.
I am again pondering what Ra was referring to with this quote:
Quote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
What exactly were they referring to? Were they referring the planetary entity being harvested? If that is the case, then why did they also state "those not in incarnation" would be included in the harvest, implying it is more than just the planetary entity?
I have been leaning very heavily towards a gradual harvest, most likely finishing within the next 150 years. But I keep wondering how everything will play out. When we reach the point where the final harvest occurs (in the event 3rd density souls who are moving on gradually), won't the societies of the Earth look completely different? And won't things gradually (relatively) transition to that state? It seems for those who are going to live through the next 100 years or so will experience enormous change due to the necessity to move towards the end of harvest.
Another question is are we experiencing the "short run of negative activity" right now, and when will this end? What will happen when this ends? It seems like the only outcome I can see of the increased negative activity is a much larger portion of society noticing this negative activity, and great change in government(s) occurring.
I am curious of this community's thoughts on this subject?
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-20-2013
I am leaning towards gradual too. I believe I will be harvested after this incarnation, and that I needed this incarnation to make harvest. Either that or I'm here to polarize to put me in a better position post harvest.
I can't read the probability vortexes, but my karmic lessons have taught me that the best is yet to come. So I see darkness fading as the Earth will no longer be able to support negative vibrations. This I truly believe. But a lot has to happen first to cleanse the Earth.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Marc - 09-20-2013
The short run of negativity is due to the light being turned on and now the cockroaches are scrambling and are more visible.
My thoughts are we will see pretty huge change and dual activated will spring up like crazy pretty soon and then the 3d will die out and then the dual activated will make 4D babies and slowly set up a SMC starting in small groups that extend into other groups that eventually all integrate once the kenetic energy has amassed.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-20-2013
Bashar says we're past the tipping point where we're now a slightly overwhelmingly positive planet. I think everyone's darkness within them will have a light cast upon it. My shadow side came out one day and made me make a rash mistake. We just need to learn to forgive ourselves for these misdeeds, or missteps. At least my negativity has been brought to the surface, so I can now heal it. And by healing myself, I heal otherselves, since the world is a reflection of how I am doing spiritually. It's the perfect mirror. I hope Creator is happy with it's big experiment of free will. But I'm glad to have free will. Before this time, when there was no veil, life was probably boring. It's boring enough to me with the veil here.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Sagittarius - 09-20-2013
Plough the field well not for the sake of a bountiful harvest, rather for the enjoyment of a well ploughed field.
Quote from the I-ching reading I got today.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 09-23-2013
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: I am on yet another re-reading of the Ra Material. I find I can look at it from a semi-fresh perspective if I wait 6 months or so.Because the anomaly they refer to is literally the earth moving into a location in space - thus the clock analogy. The 3D earth time/space (where you "go" when you die) is closely coupled to 3D space/time due to the vibratory resonance.
I am again pondering what Ra was referring to with this quote:
Quote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
What exactly were they referring to? Were they referring the planetary entity being harvested? If that is the case, then why did they also state "those not in incarnation" would be included in the harvest, implying it is more than just the planetary entity?
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: Another question is are we experiencing the "short run of negative activity" right now, and when will this end?I wouldn't expect so until the polarizing conditions increase to the point where people start working together consciously. You have to actually subsume yellow in order to not be under its influence. So this "negativity" will be helpful for many.
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: What will happen when this ends?Nothing.
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: It seems like the only outcome I can see of the increased negative activity is a much larger portion of society noticing this negative activity, and great change in government(s) occurring."negative" here is yellow-ray negative, which is ethical behavior. That would include governing, but also anything related to ethics.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - anagogy - 09-23-2013
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: I am on yet another re-reading of the Ra Material. I find I can look at it from a semi-fresh perspective if I wait 6 months or so.
I am again pondering what Ra was referring to with this quote:
Quote:17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.
What exactly were they referring to? Were they referring the planetary entity being harvested? If that is the case, then why did they also state "those not in incarnation" would be included in the harvest, implying it is more than just the planetary entity?
In my opinion, Parsons, they were simply saying that that particular time frame was an appropriate opening point into intelligent infinity for our planetary system. However being that it is a "time/space nexus" they mean to imply that this opening is in the nonphysical realm of our planetary complex.
Thus, those that die after that general time frame will walk the stairs of light until the light becomes too glaring for them to continue without more distortion-clearing incarnate experience. That is why Ra says that "those who are not in incarnation" will be included in the harvest. Those that are *still* incarnate will *not* be included in the harvest. At least, that is, until they are no longer incarnate, and then they, too, will walk the stairs of light and gravitate towards a place that is compatible with the vibration they are emitting.
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: I have been leaning very heavily towards a gradual harvest, most likely finishing within the next 150 years. But I keep wondering how everything will play out. When we reach the point where the final harvest occurs (in the event 3rd density souls who are moving on gradually), won't the societies of the Earth look completely different? And won't things gradually (relatively) transition to that state? It seems for those who are going to live through the next 100 years or so will experience enormous change due to the necessity to move towards the end of harvest.
Personally, I think it will be drawn out longer that that, but it would be interesting if it played out in the shorter time frame. In my opinion, the beginning of this transition has been playing out for quite some time now with more and more "holes" being poked in the veil between this space/time continuum and the other side of that which is the time/space continuum.
Psychic abilities, which are natural extensions of unified consciousness, are going to become increasingly prevalent. They won't be able to be ignored by society at large. Life after death will become "obvious" at some point. People will begin to easily recall past incarnations and life in the spirit world. This will herald the end of 3D as everyone begins to point their "spiritual compass" in one direction and 3D catalyst loses its "fangs" so to speak.
People will become aware of the interpenetrating 4D reality and their 4D analog bodies which are operating via dual activation in concert with their 3D bodies. Interest will gravitate away from the 3D realm and more toward the more unified, and less limited 4D realm, until 3D bodies are abandoned altogether in favor of the 4D body and it's slightly less physical environment.
3D will then go into full deactivation as nature reclaims the "civilized world". There will be all manner of planetary changes as the Earth shrugs off the parasitic pestilence that constitutes most of our cities and technological/architectural "accomplishments".
(09-20-2013, 06:53 PM)Parsons Wrote: Another question is are we experiencing the "short run of negative activity" right now, and when will this end? What will happen when this ends? It seems like the only outcome I can see of the increased negative activity is a much larger portion of society noticing this negative activity, and great change in government(s) occurring.
I am curious of this community's thoughts on this subject?
As more and more higher vibrational STO incarnate, there are going (and are right now) more and more of them moving into positions of actual influence, there will (and is right now) an intense push/pull dynamic between the evolutionary and involutionary forces of polarity. I think you are absolutely right, that more and more people will notice the negative forces and without a veil of secrecy and popular ignorance that manipulation relies on they will be pretty much destroyed by mass consensus/opinion/vote/influence/what have you regarding what is best for everyone/everything on the planet.
No idea when that will end or how intense it will actually get.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Ashim - 09-24-2013
I find it interesting that Ra never once used the word 'ascension'.
It must have been that at the time of the channelings probability/possibility pointed greatly towards the Harvest scenario.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-24-2013
Either we've ascended and don't know it, or ascension isn't real. I personally think it's not real. A delusion of grandeur. Up there with when I thought I was talking with God. I do believe in Harvest however, but won't see it till after this life.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Hototo - 09-24-2013
(09-24-2013, 08:50 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Either we've ascended and don't know it, or ascension isn't real. I personally think it's not real. A delusion of grandeur. Up there with when I thought I was talking with God. I do believe in Harvest however, but won't see it till after this life.
My opinion is that 2011-2013 was a time of boosted possibility for hitting II/8th density and since most people who hit it come back into normal 3rd or very close to normal 3rd to talk about it. I would say that a sizable portion of people hit that marker, but most of those that hit it are now in solitude thinking about what they experienced and trying to get their mind to work in relation to the new experience in harmony with emotions, or flown off the handle doing preaching followed by psych collapse and withdrawal.
I can think of half a dozen people on here alone that ascended on or near 2011 and some came back, some didn't.
This place, to me, is like a runway with a wind blower at the back that pushes you off, if you just open your arms and let the wind catch you, if you wont or cant, then this place appears like any other forum.
My estimate is that there must have been several hundred thousand people who moved from 3rd to 4th in the past few years. Possibly more.
The fact that we dont maintain 4th density (what I think would be termed by you and myself as "non psych medded state") doesnt mean that we werent, at least partially, there for a while.
I've come to think of it as two options, those that can stay in the 4th< primarily that now pretend to be 3rd around 3rders, and those that were dropped into 4th< and were unable to maintain their higher density form and slowly lose their abilities as they return to the 3rd.
Either way from our perception in the third, most people are still in the third, but that I feel, is at least partially an illusion.
All in all. I would say that the harvest/ascension events went roughly as predicted.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-24-2013
Well, if that's true then I may have hit 4th, and it just caused me to freak out, rather than feeling unconditional love. It was a state that I cannot maintain, and so I came back to 3rd. I thought ascension was a bit more permanent. I wanted to ascend, so I'm surprised that I didn't.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Hototo - 09-24-2013
(09-24-2013, 12:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Well, if that's true then I may have hit 4th, and it just caused me to freak out, rather than feeling unconditional love. It was a state that I cannot maintain, and so I came back to 3rd. I thought ascension was a bit more permanent. I wanted to ascend, so I'm surprised that I didn't.
I had similar experiences, with the difference that once I hit the 4th I knew i couldnt hold it or higher. Started to resist both; falling back to the 3rd as well as dying permanently and going to higher levels permanently.
That created quite a stir in my aura... As maybe somewhat obvious...
More stable in the 3rd now
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-24-2013
Because I am psych medded, I don't know if I can experience 4th again in this life. Maybe next time with a clearer head and ability to discern. They have me on an anti-depressant too.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Hototo - 09-24-2013
(09-24-2013, 12:11 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Because I am psych medded, I don't know if I can experience 4th again in this life. Maybe next time with a clearer head and ability to discern.
From experience with other people with psych meds as I/we start to approach 4th density is that people with psych meds or lack of desire or ability to hold onto higher densities generally appear to fall asleep to those in the higher densities. It seems probably that to those on the lower densities the higher density folk appear to be talking gibberish or becoming "odd". As the hallucinatory barrier cuts off communication between 4th and 3rd unless 3rd is willing to receive totality of message.
IF you were in a presence of a large group loving approaching 4th density while on psych meds. I estimate you would feel a very comfortable deep seated feeling of calm and fall asleep but deny afterwards as to having fallen asleep. This has happened numerous times in a way that I have observed.
though that is just what I've seen from experience and may not be true to a larger universe.
I would consider it unusual if you do not touch the 4th density in this lifetime again.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 09-24-2013
Does one need to be dual-activated body to experience 4th density? Because I feel I'm a wanderer, and they are not typically dual activated.
I do get plenty of sleep. Though I haven't noticed falling asleep around a large crowd.
I've had times where I lacked desire to pursue the 4th density, and other times I pursued it with great eagerness. I remember feeling a burning, dense energy in my muscles as I forced my way into experiencing 4th. My body just isn't cut out to experience that for very long. Whenever I've sought Creator, if I get too close, it burns.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Hototo - 09-24-2013
(09-24-2013, 12:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Does one need to be dual-activated body to experience 4th density? Because I feel I'm a wanderer, and they are not typically dual activated.
Not to experience no, but it helps, and to make any sense of it you most likely need either to be a wanderer or surrounded by wanderers when you hit 4D.
Quote:I do get plenty of sleep. Though I haven't noticed falling asleep around a large crowd.
Its an effect of the energy itself, its very difficult to explain because it belongs to the same category as healing effects (falling asleep happens commonly to my patients).
Even if you feel incredibly fresh and just up and you get a healing there is a chance you might just slip into sleep without fully realizing that you fell asleep.
Quote:I've had times where I lacked desire to pursue the 4th density, and other times I pursued it with great eagerness. I remember feeling a burning, dense energy in my muscles as I forced my way into experiencing 4th. My body just isn't cut out to experience that for very long. Whenever I've sought Creator, if I get too close, it burns.
I can only say that I've been in my own visual/hallucination prison from my experience for 20 years screaming and begging to be let out until I realized what steps I must take for other selves to be manifestable at all into my "reality". So, I can vouch for what you say in that "glaring" is a mild term for the sense of burning tha tyou get when you go in "too deep" but after spending a sizable chunk testing, I've come to the conclusion that a willed transition to 4th is not recommended but rather focus on the plane where one is, is always preferrable to focusing on the otucome after said plane. However all is never that simple.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - anagogy - 09-24-2013
(09-24-2013, 08:50 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Either we've ascended and don't know it, or ascension isn't real. I personally think it's not real. A delusion of grandeur. Up there with when I thought I was talking with God. I do believe in Harvest however, but won't see it till after this life.
If by "ascension" you mean the physical raising or transmutation of a 3rd density physical body up into a 4th density physical body, I think that it is possible, just extremely rare. Also somewhat unnecessary, given that one may just reincarnate into a 4th density body.
I think it would fall more into the category of those who penetrated intelligent infinity and chose to leave 3rd density that way, for whatever reason.
RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Hototo - 09-24-2013
There is a reason to do that, but its almost always only applicable if you want to preseve your physical apperance as closely as you can to your original life plan through ALL THE DENSITIES or at least close to it.
If that specifically does not concern you then once you "grasp" what 4th density is, in reality, then you're in the clear because you can "reincarnate" to 4th density time equivelant to any point in your life before your actual "death" and then "die" from that chosen point onwards into 4th density.
Hope that helps. Anyway. ITs kind of a tricky thing this harvest/ascension question. But to me, I want to maintain a single lifeline/body as closely as possible so for me, this is a relevant thing, but for most people it would not be.