(11-22-2015, 10:33 AM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I don't get why you always come to say that the Creator does not care. How does the Creator not care when it is what is experiencing your every pain and processing the every thoughts you are sharing. You words are the Creator's words about it's own experience of itself.

Picture that there is the Source, nothing else but one singularity that is perfectly unified, and that your awareness is exactly that but veiled into being individualized of the rest of yourself, finite among infinity. Spiritual evolution works toward breaking down these barriers/veils until no octaves, densities, separation of any kind are left. Just an intelligent infinity that always come to accept/love every experience it ever has and incorporates the mirror unto itself.

(11-22-2015, 10:42 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:

(11-22-2015, 10:08 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:

(11-22-2015, 07:59 AM)earth_spirit Wrote: @TTP
You are the "monster" whom you are talking about. There is no escape from yourself.

I know, as are all of you.

I don't get why that doesn't bother you guys honestly.  It freaks me out.

I guess I don't dwell on the same kind of thoughts as you do. I prefer love, thanksgiving, acceptance and enjoying myself (as well as "others")

No offense implied, as I appreciate your contrarian views.

Nothing can bother you unless you want or allow it to.

(11-22-2015, 10:08 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I'm trying to spiritually murder the god inside of me... (or make it all stop/cease?)

Good luck with that. "God" has no "Life" to take. He is Sovereign. Alpha and Omega. There is no end to suffering.

You are allegedly not trying to "escape", but my point still stands. You don't have many options, as you can either choose the path of acceptance or the path of seperation.

(11-22-2015, 10:08 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Why can't everyone just Be Nice to each other???

Because that would make it too easy.

If you truly wanted to live in a world where everyone is loving and considerate, I'd say you'd be there in the first place. Maybe you wanted to spice things up a bit.

(11-22-2015, 10:08 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I'm the Monster who kills monsters.

Reminds me of Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate. I used to love that anime but in hindsight I think it is rather juvenile and petty.

(11-22-2015, 10:08 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: If I could, I would be a monster hunter (the games are really fun too actually), and I'd just vigilante horrible people.

I like to be "evil" in videogames. A warlock who summons monsters from the pits of hell, a sociopathic gangbanger, or a cybernetic intelligence that enslaves humans by stripping them of their individuality. A fun contrast from real life where I feel guilty for stepping on grass.

(11-22-2015, 01:18 PM)Diana Wrote: The Creator (assuming there is one) in my opinion does not care. Not because it can and doesn't (which implies a choice to care rather than not care), but because it would presumably be detached and objective. Caring is a human construct. 

Believing in a caring Creator reflects ideas such as Christianity, and our essential feeling of aloneness in this vast universe. Projecting onto a Creator human emotions is exactly the mistake Christianity makes. I don't need to spell out the contradictions of a heavenly father. And if the Creator is experiencing manyness, how then can it care? All is one. As many here have stated, the Creator experiences all things without judgment, so it follows that it is objective and detached from outcomes. This is similar to the wave function which makes sense. 

The idea that the Creator is love doesn't even make sense, unless you view love as an objective, unconditional field of manyness, the all, unmanifest infinity. By no definition humans can define does this equal caring. It suggests allowing, but not the human emotion of caring. Caring, because it is an aspect of infinity being played out and experienced by souls on the 3D (and other) stage(s), would be part of the Creator's experience, but the Creator didn't choose it, we did. And because caring is part of intelligent infinity, it would be a tiny aspect in an infinite soup of everything. So to say the Creator cares, would be the same as saying the Creator doesn't care.

For me, the only way it makes sense that there is a OIC, or just a field of infinite possibilities, is that that source is without bias (and of course this fits with the LOO). So if there is no bias, how can the field of infinite possibilities, or the OIC, care?

On the other hand, we presumably have infinite life in this universe on many levels. We have higher density beings. There is a hierarchy of sorts, or paths of unfolding. So to disagree with the way things have been set up here, and I often do when I am feeling less detached, would be to address some of those beings who were involved in these experiments. The OIC is just there experiencing it all, or could be said to be providing an environment—vast as it could be imagined to be—in which it all could play out as it will. 

(11-22-2015, 01:54 PM)Diana Wrote: @ TTP:

I understand your frustration. Things can get overwhelming here.

The way I deal with this is to live my life with respect for all things. I care this way even for inanimate objects. A lot of my household items are decades old because I handle them with care. 

This is something I had tried to get across in the meat threads. Ideally, wouldn't you like to live in a society that caused no harm to anything? Where you didn't harm grass by stepping on it, or kill things to survive? I do not see this desire as not accepting what is; rather, I see it as an environment one resonates with more. So in my case, I make choices based on causing the least harm here in a world of much suffering. I make these decisions with both my heart and my intellect. This is where you might find some balance. Let the intellect engage more and be reasonable with how you must exist here. 

I also resonate with your feelings about your mother. I have a similar situation. I am conflicted all the time trying to balance kindness with truth. I must consider that part of my conflict is in my own reactions based on subconscious triggers. Regardless that they were embedded there during childhood, they are mine to deal with. So, as much as I may have negative feelings toward my mother, I try to see her as just another human, not my mother. And in this way I can be kind without compromising my truth. For instance, I don't tell her I love her. It makes me feel sick to say it, so no matter how much I intuit that she wants that, I don't martyr myself to it and say it anyway for her sake because it's simply not true—not in the way she is wanting it. I can be kind in an objective way, but I won't sacrifice my self for another self, whose needs are just as biased and psychologically unsound as the next person. "To thine own self be true" mitigated with objective kindness is what I strive for.

One may accept that one is here, in 3D, and chose to be for whatever reasons, but it does not follow that one must be OF this place and play by 3D prompts. One can be "in this world but not of it."