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RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Siren - 10-01-2012 (10-01-2012, 05:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: When someone dies, does their influence on the planetary vibrations stop? By "dying" I suppose you mean leaving the current 3rd density space/time continuum. If so, it is my understanding that the "dead," or discarnate, entities residing within this sphere's inner planes (time/space) do influence the planetary vibrations to some degree. It is only when an entity is in some way relocated, transplanted or otherwise removed from the planetary locus (from both its space/time and time/space) that, generally-speaking, the influence would no longer hold sway. This is an oversimplification, of course, as the mechanics are somewhat more complex. EDIT: I think I may have misunderstood your question in the first place, so I readjusted the answer upon second review. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 10-01-2012 I imagine the mechanics are more complex. We incarnated for a reason, to increase the vibration of the planet. Something we couldn't do from time/space evidently. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-01-2012 (10-01-2012, 05:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: When someone dies, does their influence on the planetary vibrations stop?There would no longer be a m/b/s complex or experiential nexus shared with the planet and individuals - the pattern offered by the body supports that. To some extent these patterns can be willed, but not for long after death. That's the whole point of incarnation in the first place - to access this nexus. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Parsons - 10-01-2012 Ok, the web browser on my phone keeps screwing up and posts in the wrong thread. Ignore this post, mispost. ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Peregrinus - 10-01-2012 The harvest will continue to occur over the next 100+ years. 3D physicals vehicle will "die" according to the disincarnate contract agreed upon. If one was born with a 3D/4D duel activated body, the vehicle will look the same, but will be very different in all other respects, and it may remain for the unveiling of Mother Earth's 4D physical vehicle (100+ years). Anyone that wants to "take their 3D body with them", does so out of fear. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Tenet Nosce - 10-08-2012 I see this thread is still going round and round! ![]() I came across this compilation of quotes from "Archangel Michael". Some interesting views here that may help in reconciling the seeming conflicts. Also, I point out these quotes are about "Ascension" and not "Harvest". They are not exactly the same concept, as I'm sure any L/L student would know. But anyway... some food for thought... What Will Ascension be Like? – Part 1/2 RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 10-08-2012 Thanks Tenet. It's too bad that part 2/2 doesn't seem to exist. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-08-2012 (10-08-2012, 03:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Thanks Tenet. It's too bad that part 2/2 doesn't seem to exist. ...yet. ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-09-2012 (10-08-2012, 03:50 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: some food for thought...The harvest where people want people to disappear. I guess that solves some kind of unconscious need. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-09-2012 (10-09-2012, 08:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-08-2012, 03:50 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: some food for thought...The harvest where people want people to disappear. I guess that solves some kind of unconscious need. Quote:Will People Disappear from Third-Dimensionality? <sigh> Zero resonance from me. But Linda lost me with the space trip a couple months ago anyway. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Tenet Nosce - 10-09-2012 (10-09-2012, 08:43 PM)Patrick Wrote:(10-09-2012, 08:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-08-2012, 03:50 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: some food for thought...The harvest where people want people to disappear. I guess that solves some kind of unconscious need. Eh? Are you guys referring to something from Part 2? Haven't read it yet... but will now. Ah, now I see what you are referring to. Well, we will all see soon enough, won't we? I will say that claim doesn't quite offend my sensibilities. I don't really understand it either. But I have noticed as of late more than one dream experience where different characters appear (or disappear) from my memory as I access it in the dream, and I don't seem to notice any change until after I awakened. For example, some people who play a large role in my waking life do not make an appearance in my dream states, and while I am in them, I do not remember that they even existed. Similarly, people appear in my dream state who I do not know in my waking state, yet I have previous memories of them while I am dreaming, as if I have known them all along. Another thing- I know that when I was very very young I had memories of some life that came before this one. I also knew that those memories would fade away, and that there was nothing that I could do about it. Although I promised to myself that I would at least remember that "something" came before this life. Which I did. Finally- in consideration of the hypnotic trance that most people, particularly Americans, live in today, I wouldn't rule out some kind of drastic change happening without them even noticing, or perhaps even convincing themselves that was how things were all along. Actually, in many ways, this sort of thing is what we are now witnessing before our very eyes. So in consideration of all these, I don't see this claim as being so farfetched. Although I hold it with the same degree of skepticism as any other claim about "Harvest" or "Ascension". Only time will tell. But in the interest of discussion, I would be curious to hear more reasoning why this can't be true, other than simply being dismissive toward it. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 10-09-2012 (10-09-2012, 08:43 PM)Patrick Wrote:Quote:Will People Disappear from Third-Dimensionality? I must have missed that part. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Gribbons - 10-09-2012 Space trip? This didn't particularly resonate with me as well, but in a sense it kind of did, if only because I watched a Twilight Zone episode last night where there were originally 3 astronauts that went up into space, disappeared for 24 hours and then reappeared, except no one remembers one of them except his best friend that went up. So all the newspapers essentially were rewritten, or went to another parallel universe where Ed Harrington did not exist except in the memory of his best friend, who went insane before telling the only other one who went up with him, who also did not remember Ed Harrington. Then that guy disappeared, and the only guy left went insane and the newspapers said he was the lone astronaut returner... sooo.... we're really gettin' down to it with only a little more than 2 months to go, or shorter quite possibly, individually, according to part 2. but being erased from existence and memory... blows me away. surely the creation is perfect, and such a process would be, idk, understandably inconvenient and to an extent disrespectful to the ascending soul who would, by leaving, leave their family and loved ones to a universe where they did not exist. or am i missing something.. just seems there's a consistency lapse. and it's not cool ![]() however, i did come onto the board today to discuss this very topic as I just read part 2 just over an hour ago, and here it is, already being discussed. haha RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - AnthroHeart - 10-11-2012 If there is a sudden shift into 4D, it'll be pretty epic. Even if the shift were spread out over 2 months, that's pretty phenomenal pace. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - xise - 10-22-2012 (10-09-2012, 09:49 PM)Gribbons Wrote: Space trip? I've always felt quantum mechanics, manifestation, and parallel timelines are interrelated. Some part inside of me tells me that there are infinite parallel existences of us where we used our free will in different ways to create a different universe. I've always felt that deja vu / amnesia was the marking of intersecting timelines or a flag that your conciousness was slipstreaming into another timeline. So for me, the whole forgetting thing seems like it could work. Something just occured to me: I suspect that may also account for the fact that the shift may be both gradual and sudden in the same reality - gradual for those who do not penetrate the forgetting and sudden for those who remember the disappearances. You know I actually had a dream precisely on this type of harvest scenario months ago (check the dream thread). I had forgotten about it until now. Interesting. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Parsons - 10-27-2012 I just finished all the Q'uo material/all L/L channeled material after the Ra contact. I decided to give the Ra material one last read and got up to session 6 before noticing the quote that originally made me believe 2012 would be the culmination/end time of harvest and after which further 3D lessons would begin. This has even further reinforced my belief in an 'abrupt' harvest event. Although, further reading in the Q'uo material coupled with subsequent questioning to the godwide_void "channel" has made me realize both viewpoints of abrupt and gradual are entirely valid subjectively. If you do not wish to leave at the harvest culmination event you will have the opportunity to stay with the 3D population in an un-interrupted continuance on to an Earth replica world(save for a brief ecstatic contact with intelligent infinity at the striking of the hour). Supporting Ra quote(with the full understanding that Don was asking about the 3D population then switched to the planet; it doesn't matter, the 3d population needs to live on a 3D planet): Quote:6.15 Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles? Quote:9.3 Questioner: The way that I understand the process of evolution is that our planetary population has a certain amount of time to progress. This is generally divided into three 25,000-year cycles. At the end of 75,000 years the planet progresses itself. What caused this situation to come about with the preciseness of the years in each cycle? (06-14-2012, 03:59 PM)godwide_void Wrote:(06-14-2012, 02:51 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Though ultimately, like many items of concern, unimportant, I'm nevertheless curious what your take is on the upcoming/ongoing transition of souls to fourth density. (06-22-2012, 05:17 PM)godwide_void Wrote:(06-20-2012, 10:18 PM)Parsons Wrote: Is the length of time spent in 3rd density after the veil is lifted completely subjective to each entity experiencing 3rd density? Is this what Ra/Q'uo were referring to when they said there was going to be a transition period of some hundreds of years? Also, is this transition period still to occur if that is the case? RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-30-2012 I'm not putting this here in support of either abrupt or gradual, but simply because it puts into words how I feel things are happening. (source) Quote:...As this energy becomes activated, you will find less and less influence of the Illuminati over your everyday affairs. At first not detectable by your masses, eventually someone will “test the waters” with an act known to be against the ways of the Illuminati and, in doing so, will find no resistance which otherwise would have been expected. This will embolden more to further “push the envelope” until it becomes apparent that the Illuminati, who none could actually see or discern but who knew were ever present, are no longer there, or if they are, are not adverse to the actions taken. As this knowledge becomes more widespread, more and more advances for the good of all mankind will begin to take shape on your world. As that occurs, you will see an ever increasing avalanche of human created movements unimpeded towards that which you all desire--to thrive, to be free, to explore, and be told and find the truth. What I have bolded is happening here right now in Québec. The truth is coming out all over the place and no one is trying to prevent the witnesses to testify. They are not bothered, no one is killing them or buying them or whatever. They reach the public commission just fine and then proceeds to spill the beans on almost all the corruption at all levels of the government with evidence in hands. Then you have the police proceeding with raids/arrests and mayors and ministers resigning or even arrested. The mainstream believe it was about time a good cleanup like this happened and they don't even realize how special this truly is, but as far as I'm concerned I'm just flabbergasted that this is allowed to happen at all. Since when does the Elites lets all the crap visibly fall on their heads like this without doing anything about it? Something good is really going on. ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-30-2012 (10-30-2012, 11:32 AM)Patrick Wrote: Since when does the Elites lets all the crap visibly fall on their heads like this without doing anything about it? Something good is really going on.Or maybe it was "going on" all the time and no one bothered framing it this way until now. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Parsons - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 09:53 AM)zenmaster Wrote:I make pretty much no distinction between the terms. i believe that there are numerous 'overbaked' concepts which people are splitting hairs over. Both words are commonly used to describe the transition from 3D to a higher density. It only serves to bog down the intellectual mind with long, heated discussions about separating these two concepts when there is no way to empirically prove your distinction between the terms.(10-31-2012, 09:39 AM)Parsons Wrote:Sounds like the typical ascension idea, rather than harvest.(07-04-2012, 12:20 PM)godwide_void Wrote: What will happen to our advanced 2D/chemical vehicles after the shift this December? Will we be inhabiting the appropriate density vehicle for 4D consciousness after that? Will these vehicles be upgraded to accommodate? And what will happen to the physical vehicles for the ones that are going to be repeating 3D?The physical vehicle which the 3D human consciousness currently inhabits will be transmuted into the vessel which is most appropriately equipped to handle the less denser 4D spectrum of experience. Quote:Problem is that this is a rather long process of successive generations birthing "transitional bodies" which newly enter this realm as 4D.I remember no specific Ra/Q'uo'tes which support this theory. Quote:Further, the "4D spectrum of experience" is more dense, not less dense - and no, that's not a question of semantics.Again, tamato, tomato, the persecutive differs but the end result is the same. It is very cute that you claim it is not a question of semantics when you are arguing semantics. "Semantics (from Greek: sēmantiká, neuter plural of sēmantikós) is the study of meaning. It focuses on the relation between signifiers, such as words, phrases, signs, and symbols, and what they stand for, their denotata." RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Spaced - 10-31-2012 The only thing I'm willing to say about the harvest is that I have no idea how it will work. ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 11:04 AM)Spaced Wrote: The only thing I'm willing to say about the harvest is that I have no idea how it will work. We will know after we died and this knowledge won't matter much then. ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - reeay - 10-31-2012 I often find it interesting how the topic is framed - "abrupt or gradual" and "abrupt vs gradual" as if it must be one or the other. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 02:38 PM)rie Wrote: I often find it interesting how the topic is framed - "abrupt or gradual" and "abrupt vs gradual" as if it must be one or the other. Yep. ![]() (10-31-2012, 02:38 PM)Patrick Wrote: What would be cool is if in December the Guardians simply remove the quarantine around this planet. This might just happen. If this planet is going to 4d positive and it's already 4d in time/space. They could remove the quarantine. What do you think ? RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-31-2012 The "ascension" idea doesn't fly (so to speak), as the new connection to 4D mind would remove the veil and all "wanderers" would instantly remember everything up to that point. This would be an "infringement". The dual-activated types may have more to work with past the "quantum leap" at the present time, but other than that it's birthing of the new body which will provide the "transfiguration" (for the 4D natives here). Awareness will continue to be filtered through the "genetic connections" from body (brain) to mind. Also, there will be a point, probably a few years down the road, where wanderers can not continue incarnating here, due to lack of 3D-only bodies. (10-31-2012, 02:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: This might just happen. If this planet is going to 4d positive and it's already 4d in time/space. They could remove the quarantine. What do you think ?Would only make sense if people were no longer learning 3D lessons. Also, there probably was no quarantine on the 4D plane here, in the first place. RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Patrick - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 08:45 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ...Would only make sense if people were no longer learning 3D lessons. Also, there probably was no quarantine on the 4D plane here, in the first place. Why is that? Planets with an active 3d cycle are not normally quarantined. So I do not see why our quarantine would have to be in effect for much longer. (thread here about it) RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - reeay - 10-31-2012 Maybe this thread might be titled "ascension" vs harvest lol RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Spaced - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 11:07 AM)Patrick Wrote:(10-31-2012, 11:04 AM)Spaced Wrote: The only thing I'm willing to say about the harvest is that I have no idea how it will work. It might prove useful if we decide to try and help out some 3D brothers at some future time ![]() RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 08:58 PM)Patrick Wrote:The native inhabitants are tended to by 4D+ or 4D-, or mixture depending on the polarity and strength of their "calling". Free-will is preserved. In the case of earth, the free-will was likely sacrificed in order to start 3D here from the start. Got both the natives and the transplants at vastly different points of 3D evolution. It sounds like an infringement of the other groups to have the transplants "speak" for the whole planet, which apparently they could do.(10-31-2012, 08:45 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ...Would only make sense if people were no longer learning 3D lessons. Also, there probably was no quarantine on the 4D plane here, in the first place. "The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine was set up, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third-density group is not hindered from free choice." (10-31-2012, 08:58 PM)Patrick Wrote: So I do not see why our quarantine would have to be in effect for much longer.Like I said, the 3D development would be hindered. The last thing this planet needs are "landings". RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - Sagittarius - 10-31-2012 Zenmaster what do you mean by "It sounds like an infringement of the other groups to have the transplants "speak" for the whole planet, which apparently they could do" ? Are you talking about the fact that if the transplants from a planet further into the 3d cycle penetrate the forgetting they could break free will of the natives? RE: Abrupt vs gradual harvest - zenmaster - 10-31-2012 (10-31-2012, 11:25 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Zenmaster what do you mean by "It sounds like an infringement of the other groups to have the transplants "speak" for the whole planet, which apparently they could do" ?Functions according to the law of squares, correct? They share a subcollective mind. If they desire the 4D- info and assistance, as apparently is their tendency, that would necessarily involve the other groups at some point. (The 4D+ are also necessarily kept out to preserve free will.) (10-31-2012, 11:25 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Are you talking about the fact that if the transplants from a planet further into the 3d cycle penetrate the forgetting they could break free will of the natives?They are much more polarized, as a group due to 37,000 more years of 3D experience. Nothing really to do with polarizing that far (past forgetting), though. |