(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also.

(02-10-2020, 05:34 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also.

I see what you're saying, but isn't the All itself mind? As in, everything is mental?

That is my understanding at least..... I'd love to hear your thoughts

(02-10-2020, 05:34 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also.

I see what you're saying, but isn't the All itself mind? As in, everything is mental?

That is my understanding at least..... I'd love to hear your thoughts

Quote:one gets closer to the essence of being itself

(02-10-2020, 06:21 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: The only thing I know about Hermetic Law is that it allows things like a YouTube video to do Reiki healing on many people.
I'm sure it's how my Intention Repeater can do things like make you feel stoned and such as well.

I've not found much info on Hermetic Principles though.

(02-10-2020, 10:05 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 06:21 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: The only thing I know about Hermetic Law is that it allows things like a YouTube video to do Reiki healing on many people.
I'm sure it's how my Intention Repeater can do things like make you feel stoned and such as well.

I've not found much info on Hermetic Principles though.

The Kybalion is probably the most digestible Hermetic text you can read in the 21st century. I recommend checking it out. It goes over all the principles and more.

(02-11-2020, 03:07 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 10:05 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 06:21 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: The only thing I know about Hermetic Law is that it allows things like a YouTube video to do Reiki healing on many people.
I'm sure it's how my Intention Repeater can do things like make you feel stoned and such as well.

I've not found much info on Hermetic Principles though.

The Kybalion is probably the most digestible Hermetic text you can read in the 21st century. I recommend checking it out. It goes over all the principles and more.

The one by Three Initiates?

(02-10-2020, 06:09 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Great Central Sun and kristina,

the angle I'm speaking from is that of the hermetic principles. The first principle being the principle of mentalism, the essence of which you can find in the axiom "The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."

My understanding of this principle is this: the All is synonymous with Spirit, the unknowable, undefinable essence of everything that is. Everything in our material world, all phenomena, energy, and matter are created from the Mind of the All (Spirit.) Therefore, everything that is, is mental.

I might be misguided in my understanding. I'd love to hear what you all have to say

(02-11-2020, 10:33 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 06:09 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: Great Central Sun and kristina,

the angle I'm speaking from is that of the hermetic principles. The first principle being the principle of mentalism, the essence of which you can find in the axiom "The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."

My understanding of this principle is this: the All is synonymous with Spirit, the unknowable, undefinable essence of everything that is. Everything in our material world, all phenomena, energy, and matter are created from the Mind of the All (Spirit.) Therefore, everything that is, is mental.

I might be misguided in my understanding. I'd love to hear what you all have to say

The Hermetic principles also say that everything is dualistic. At higher density, doesn't duality disappear?

It also says that everything has gender. So how can The One be masculine or feminine?

I think the All is also everything that is physical. Not just Spiritual. If I recall, the Kybalion says that The All is Spirit.

(02-09-2020, 11:33 PM)tamaryn Wrote: It makes more sense to me when I frame service to self as being aware of primarily the body energetic field. Extending one's awareness into the world AND including the body is the highest form of service to the creator because the creator is fed by what we are aware of. Thus, feeding the world to the creator is the greatest service. This also works for when one is listening to others. We have ones that are mostly just aware of their own bodies, ones that allow their focus to rest on the body field of another. Then there is the ones that are neither focused wholly on themselves or another.

Thoughts?

(02-19-2020, 02:15 PM)Reaper Wrote:

(02-09-2020, 11:33 PM)tamaryn Wrote: It makes more sense to me when I frame service to self as being aware of primarily the body energetic field. Extending one's awareness into the world AND including the body is the highest form of service to the creator because the creator is fed by what we are aware of. Thus, feeding the world to the creator is the greatest service. This also works for when one is listening to others. We have ones that are mostly just aware of their own bodies, ones that allow their focus to rest on the body field of another. Then there is the ones that are neither focused wholly on themselves or another.

Thoughts?

I've been lucky enough to interview some exceptionally crystallized adepts on both sides, and have come to consider the general mentalities of the polarities to be so:

STO - I am becoming one with God, who is in all things.

STS - I am becoming God, and all things will submit to me.

Both polarities, if adept, are fully aware of the unified field. Negative adepts do not pursue the path that they do because they are unaware of oneness or confused by it. They simply believe they deserve to be at the center of that web and seek, as Ra put it, to "put the world in order." They follow the so-called Law of Stratification, which posits that the strong naturally rise to the top, fueled by the masses that automatically sink beneath them as they grow in power. They see this as a natural process, and therefore in alignment with natural law, so they feel no guilt over their actions. Indeed, they believe themselves to be doing a service to the species by causing stronger beings to emerge via adversity. It is a very solipsistic point of view.

The sort of bodily awareness you speak of would be found in adepts on both sides, and is a natural product of the expansion of consciousness. How that awareness is framed and directed is up to the individual.  

(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also. Once one gets closer to the essence of being itself, the realization that this same essence is shared by everybody else becomes obvious. This is service to others work, because it's the work of unity. Service to self is, at its core, about separation. Separation in the sense of thinking that one is inherently special or more important than everybody else. From there, the attitudes or behaviors revolving around the control, manipulation and exploitation of others naturally follow.

(02-19-2020, 02:15 PM)Reaper Wrote:

(02-09-2020, 11:33 PM)tamaryn Wrote: It makes more sense to me when I frame service to self as being aware of primarily the body energetic field. Extending one's awareness into the world AND including the body is the highest form of service to the creator because the creator is fed by what we are aware of. Thus, feeding the world to the creator is the greatest service. This also works for when one is listening to others. We have ones that are mostly just aware of their own bodies, ones that allow their focus to rest on the body field of another. Then there is the ones that are neither focused wholly on themselves or another.

Thoughts?

I've been lucky enough to interview some exceptionally crystallized adepts on both sides, and have come to consider the general mentalities of the polarities to be so:

STO - I am becoming one with God, who is in all things.

STS - I am becoming God, and all things will submit to me.

Both polarities, if adept, are fully aware of the unified field. Negative adepts do not pursue the path that they do because they are unaware of oneness or confused by it. They simply believe they deserve to be at the center of that web and seek, as Ra put it, to "put the world in order." They follow the so-called Law of Stratification, which posits that the strong naturally rise to the top, fueled by the masses that automatically sink beneath them as they grow in power. They see this as a natural process, and therefore in alignment with natural law, so they feel no guilt over their actions. Indeed, they believe themselves to be doing a service to the species by causing stronger beings to emerge via adversity. It is a very solipsistic point of view.

The sort of bodily awareness you speak of would be found in adepts on both sides, and is a natural product of the expansion of consciousness. How that awareness is framed and directed is up to the individual.  

(02-25-2020, 08:01 PM)flofrog Wrote: I am not sure STO ´discriminates’ but just observes that one is dedicated to helping others aiming towards unity and that STS is about the self first and foremost and STO respects that choice.

(02-26-2020, 02:04 PM)flofrog Wrote: I was not thinking of harvest at all. I was just answering your post where I don’t think STO discriminates if we attribute a moral judgment to the word discrimination. I think STO observes quietly that another soul acts differently and wishes well the other soul on its own path.

(02-26-2020, 07:36 PM)flofrog Wrote: So sorry kraaken, I was not sure at all you were using a moral judgment, I was just thinking the word discriminate might induce it. So all apologies. I am not sure I was creating a distorsion by practicing the way Ra was suggesting to behave towards STS.

And yes I don’t think I am functioning as having harvest constantly in mind, which I totally accept as my own distorsion. Progress yes, but thinking still that harvest is mysterious in itself to me since I do not realize what my own quota really are, but... err... chugging along whatever progress I can make.

(02-25-2020, 02:54 PM)kraken99 Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also. Once one gets closer to the essence of being itself, the realization that this same essence is shared by everybody else becomes obvious. This is service to others work, because it's the work of unity. Service to self is, at its core, about separation. Separation in the sense of thinking that one is inherently special or more important than everybody else. From there, the attitudes or behaviors revolving around the control, manipulation and exploitation of others naturally follow.

If your quoted post is not "inherently special or more important" than other ones, why do you post it? In other words, why do you think you are right, have more wisdom to share then someone who service to self?

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I am sorry for my sometimes broken (not native) English.

(02-25-2020, 02:57 PM)kraken99 Wrote:

(02-19-2020, 02:15 PM)Reaper Wrote:

(02-09-2020, 11:33 PM)tamaryn Wrote: It makes more sense to me when I frame service to self as being aware of primarily the body energetic field. Extending one's awareness into the world AND including the body is the highest form of service to the creator because the creator is fed by what we are aware of. Thus, feeding the world to the creator is the greatest service. This also works for when one is listening to others. We have ones that are mostly just aware of their own bodies, ones that allow their focus to rest on the body field of another. Then there is the ones that are neither focused wholly on themselves or another.

Thoughts?

I've been lucky enough to interview some exceptionally crystallized adepts on both sides, and have come to consider the general mentalities of the polarities to be so:

STO - I am becoming one with God, who is in all things.

STS - I am becoming God, and all things will submit to me.

Both polarities, if adept, are fully aware of the unified field. Negative adepts do not pursue the path that they do because they are unaware of oneness or confused by it. They simply believe they deserve to be at the center of that web and seek, as Ra put it, to "put the world in order." They follow the so-called Law of Stratification, which posits that the strong naturally rise to the top, fueled by the masses that automatically sink beneath them as they grow in power. They see this as a natural process, and therefore in alignment with natural law, so they feel no guilt over their actions. Indeed, they believe themselves to be doing a service to the species by causing stronger beings to emerge via adversity. It is a very solipsistic point of view.

The sort of bodily awareness you speak of would be found in adepts on both sides, and is a natural product of the expansion of consciousness. How that awareness is framed and directed is up to the individual.  

If STO adept is "fully aware of the unified field" and "one with God, who is in all things", why does he discriminate (name/constitute and reveal consequences) between him and adept of STS?

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I am sorry for my sometimes broken (not native) English.

(02-26-2020, 07:36 PM)flofrog Wrote: So sorry kraaken, I was not sure at all you were using a moral judgment, I was just thinking the word discriminate might induce it. So all apologies. I am not sure I was creating a distorsion by practicing the way Ra was suggesting to behave towards STS.

And yes I don’t think I am functioning as having harvest constantly in mind, which I totally accept as my own distorsion. Progress yes, but thinking still that harvest is mysterious in itself to me since I do not realize what my own quota really are, but... err... chugging along whatever progress I can make.

(02-09-2020, 11:33 PM)tamaryn Wrote: It makes more sense to me when I frame service to self as being aware of primarily the body energetic field. Extending one's awareness into the world AND including the body is the highest form of service to the creator because the creator is fed by what we are aware of. Thus, feeding the world to the creator is the greatest service. This also works for when one is listening to others. We have ones that are mostly just aware of their own bodies, ones that allow their focus to rest on the body field of another. Then there is the ones that are neither focused wholly on themselves or another.

Thoughts?

(03-04-2020, 08:45 AM)kristina Wrote:

(02-25-2020, 02:54 PM)kraken99 Wrote:

(02-10-2020, 02:08 AM)Ray711 Wrote: Engaging in the awareness of the body in meditation can lead to the realization that one is not the body, and from there, the insight that one is not the mind can be realized also. Once one gets closer to the essence of being itself, the realization that this same essence is shared by everybody else becomes obvious. This is service to others work, because it's the work of unity. Service to self is, at its core, about separation. Separation in the sense of thinking that one is inherently special or more important than everybody else. From there, the attitudes or behaviors revolving around the control, manipulation and exploitation of others naturally follow.

If your quoted post is not "inherently special or more important" than other ones, why do you post it? In other words, why do you think you are right, have more wisdom to share then someone who service to self?

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I am sorry for my sometimes broken (not native) English.

He shares because he hasn't taken an oath of silence for one.
Each quote is special/ordinary and greatly depends on the eyes that read the quote and how it resonates with each that read it, therefore, has the potential to create a subjective experience for a seeker.

No one here thinks they have more wisdom than those upon the path of negative polarity. If I am not mistaken, one seeker explained it good as in it is one of the same thing at varying degrees. The two paths offer their gifts to another therefore stengthening their personal evolution upon their chosen journey.