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    Nicholas (Offline)

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    #1
    06-24-2015, 03:07 PM
    I have a cat named "Gizmo" (named after a weird looking creature from the film "Gremlins") and he is over 14 years old now. He is such a sensitive cat that he now refuses to go outside. One example of this was when I opened the door of our flat, he gingerly walked out and heard a pigeon go "cooooh". His ears immediately tucked in and he ran back indoors!

    Now how can a cat get more sensitive than that!?

    Anyway, the point of this post is my relationship with him. I picked him out from a litter over 14 yeas ago and we have been mates ever since. During this time I came to read the LOO books and one day while he was snuggled up to me, I had the desire to look into his eyes. The concept of sending love/light, as well as pet investment intrigued me.

    As he often does when my attention is not directed at him, he looked up at me, arching his neck. At this moment I focused my attention towards his right eye (for some reason I simply cannot look at both eyes, whether human or animal, so I focus on one eye) and his pupil immediately began to dilate. For what seemed like roughly 3/4 of a second, his pupil continued to dilate and suddenly he looked down at the couch, turned around and sat down, and began to purr.

    What struck me in that moment (yes I am aware that this is purely a subjective experience) was the term used by Ra regarding the process of harvest. That being the "steps of light".

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    "The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light."

    Gizmo looked away from me at the point that my "light", or attention to his eye became too glaring for him. Instead, he looked away, turned around and flopped down beside me and began to purr.

    So my reason for sharing this personal experience with my buddy is two fold. Firstly, I encourage anyone with a special pet friend to give it a try. But more importantly, if my subjective experience has any validity to it, the process of harvest in the metaphysical sense is totally in our own control. He simply looked away, no drama, no distress, he just looked away from the light that I had offered to him.
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    #2
    06-24-2015, 03:57 PM
    first. "named after a weird looking creature from the film "Gremlins"???????? nooo. ur supposed to say... "named after Gizmo from Gremlins, which i'm sure everyone has seen *nods*"

    second and more important AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW cuddliest post ever!

    LOO totally changed my understanding of the function of "pets"/"humans caring for animals". i've always loved animals but this 2D-->3D spiral pethood assists in is really inspiring.
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    06-24-2015, 05:21 PM
    Your cinnamon pouch turning into a kitten 'dream' totally rocks BTW Bluebell  BigSmile
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    06-24-2015, 06:41 PM
    haha it was probably inspired by the 2 sleeping ginger kittens i saw in some lucky bastard's window the other day. so sweet.
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    06-24-2015, 06:46 PM
    I forgot about that dream.

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    06-24-2015, 06:58 PM
    I'm going to miss Loki my dog when he passes on and goes into 3D. Then he'll be someone I won't know who. Rather than having him again in another 2D dog for the next one I get.
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    06-24-2015, 07:29 PM
    (06-24-2015, 03:07 PM)Nicholas Wrote: Gizmo looked away from me at the point that my "light", or attention to his eye became too glaring for him. Instead, he looked away, turned around and flopped down beside me and began to purr.

    So my reason for sharing this personal experience with my buddy is two fold. Firstly, I encourage anyone with a special pet friend to give it a try. But more importantly, if my subjective experience has any validity to it, the process of harvest in the metaphysical sense is totally in our own control. He simply looked away, no drama, no distress, he just looked away from the light that I had offered to him.

    You seem to be saying that maintaining eye contact = acceptance of offered light. Why do you think he was declining your offer of light just because he looked away?

    I'd say he is accepting your offer of light on a daily basis. He also showed it in this instance, which his snuggling and purring.

    Also, I don't quite follow what you're saying. You mention investing in higher-2D entities, but what has that to do with 'controlling' their harvest?

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    06-25-2015, 03:41 AM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2015, 03:41 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    Ra actually said that "investing" 2D entities with higher-dimensional love can help them on their journey towards 3D. The issue here is that the typical 2D incarnative cycle lasts more than 4 billion subjective years, so the amount of difference any person can make to the development of their pet during a single lifetime is going to be fairly small in the grand scheme of things.

    For reference:

    Quote:14.1 Questioner: Going back over this morning’s work, [inaudible]. You said the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?
    Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.


    and

    Quote:76.13 (snip) ... Second density is more easily estimated and represents your longest density in terms of the span of space/time. We may estimate that time as approximately 4.6 billion years. These approximations are exceedingly rough due to the somewhat uneven development which is characteristic of creations which are built upon the foundation stone of free will.

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    06-25-2015, 05:35 AM
    (06-25-2015, 03:41 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Ra actually said that "investing" 2D entities with higher-dimensional love can help them on their journey towards 3D.  The issue here is that the typical 2D incarnative cycle lasts more than 4 billion subjective years, so the amount of difference any person can make to the development of their pet during a single lifetime is going to be fairly small in the grand scheme of things.

    Ra said pethood accelerates the process. it's hardly small!

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    06-25-2015, 05:52 AM
    Quote:14.2 Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on this Earth become so invested?

    Ra: There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

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    06-25-2015, 06:19 AM
    Do you know how many milions of years you can shave off by offering love daily in a true sincere way?

    Plus a rough estimate means that number is not wholly the only number to consider.  They made a similar remark about the harvest with a number of years they said can't be correct, of which i still see people use that quote completely incorrectly....

    4 billion years to a being unaware of time until the higher portions of their density.  I wish i gave clem more love..  I want to help him in his 3D form too...  to make up for this incarnation. I want him to be my friend for as long as he wants me...

    I agree with Nick on his remark of how beings handle harvest.  We can look away on our own accord.  I wonder how many will try to forcefully see the brightness.
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    06-25-2015, 06:48 AM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2015, 06:55 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    Guys, I'm sorry, I'm just going off the ratios here. Given that a cat's average lifespan is 15 years, that works out to be more than three hundred million incarnations. Plus, of course, that's only the average for cats kept in captivity and who are well cared-for. The real-world average cat lifespan is undoubtedly much lower, and the number of total lives much higher.

    And how much difference do you honestly think 1 life out of 300,000,000 can make, either way?

    Granted, they're probably not spending all that time as a cat specifically, but the basic point stands. We are but eyeblinks in the overall length of our pets' 2D existence. That's both the good AND bad part about having such short incarnations (humans too) when dealing with such huge timespans. Any given single life rarely makes that much of a difference in the grand scheme. It's all about slow incremental growth, and lessons learned through reinforcement across many lives.

    If you want to feel better about it, consider this: Like I mentioned, the life of a non-domesticated cat is usually brutish and short. Plus a lot of them have pretty crappy owners. If you have a cat (or whatever pet) that you love and treat well, you're giving it a vacation life. A chance to relax and spend most of its time being happy for a change. That probably DOES speed its growth somewhat.

    However, the chances of any of us personally "uplifting" a pet are pretty darn low, any way you cut it. Yet it still remains a very nice way of sharing love with other-selves, and contemplating just how hard it must've been for us to get to the level we're at.

    (And, of course, the entity currently known as your cat will find its own way back to the Creator, in its own time, as we all do.)

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    06-25-2015, 07:13 AM
    many pets are already near harvest. and one life spent with humans makes a HUGE difference.
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    06-25-2015, 08:51 AM
    (06-24-2015, 07:29 PM)Monica Wrote: You seem to be saying that maintaining eye contact = acceptance of offered light. Why do you think he was declining your offer of light just because he looked away?

    I'd say he is accepting your offer of light on a daily basis. He also showed it in this instance, which his snuggling and purring.

    Also, I don't quite follow what you're saying. You mention investing in higher-2D entities, but what has that to do with 'controlling' their harvest?

    Okay I need to explain how I interpreted the experience a little better here. I think I should begin with making it clear that this is my subjective interpretation of the experience. At the time I was studying Ra, specifically the part about pet investment and how our close proximity and interaction accelerates the process of them becoming self aware or individuated. As he was sitting next to me I recalled an earlier part of Ra's recommended exercises regarding the "see the creator", as being "an helpful exercise". So this was the context, I was attempting to see the creator and I focused my gaze on his left pupil. His pupil however immediately dilated  so the reason I believe he declined to maintain eye contact is for the same reason we would look away from a light bulb as we slowly turned up the dimmer switch. Obviously I am comparing a physical scenario with a perceived metaphysical one. If we were to gaze at a light bulb and increase its watt output, the inverse would occur, our pupils would contract.

    Quote:Optic effects

    When bright light is shone on the eye, light sensitive cells in the retina, including rod and cone photoreceptors and melanopsin ganglion cells, will send signals to the oculomotor nerve, specifically the parasympathetic part coming from the Edinger-Westphal nucleus, which terminates on the circular iris sphincter muscle. When this muscle contracts, it reduces the size of the pupil. This is the pupillary light reflex, which is an important test ofbrainstem function. Furthermore, the pupil will dilate if a person sees an object of interest.

    Taken from the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pupil

    Finally I did not mean to suggest that we control their harvest, merely that I felt the experience was an insight into our harvest that Ra describes with the steps of light scenario.

    VanAlioSaldo understood what I was trying to imply... 

    "I agree with Nick on his remark of how beings handle harvest.  We can look away on our own accord.  I wonder how many will try to forcefully see the brightness."
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    06-26-2015, 12:12 PM
    (06-25-2015, 06:48 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Guys, I'm sorry, I'm just going off the ratios here.  Given that a cat's average lifespan is 15 years, that works out to be more than three hundred million incarnations.  Plus, of course, that's only the average for cats kept in captivity and who are well cared-for.  The real-world average cat lifespan is undoubtedly much lower, and the number of total lives much higher.  

    And how much difference do you honestly think 1 life out of 300,000,000 can make, either way?  

    Granted, they're probably not spending all that time as a cat specifically, but the basic point stands.  We are but eyeblinks in the overall length of our pets' 2D existence.   That's both the good AND bad part about having such short incarnations (humans too) when dealing with such huge timespans.  Any given single life rarely makes that much of a difference in the grand scheme.  It's all about slow incremental growth, and lessons learned through reinforcement across many lives.

    If you want to feel better about it, consider this:  Like I mentioned, the life of a non-domesticated cat is usually brutish and short.  Plus a lot of them have pretty crappy owners.  If you have a cat (or whatever pet) that you love and treat well, you're giving it a vacation life.  A chance to relax and spend most of its time being happy for a change.  That probably DOES speed its growth somewhat.

    However, the chances of any of us personally "uplifting" a pet are pretty darn low, any way you cut it.  Yet it still remains a very nice way of sharing love with other-selves, and contemplating just how hard it must've been for us to get to the level we're at.

    (And, of course, the entity currently known as your cat will find its own way back to the Creator, in its own time, as we all do.)

    Is this opinion because of Ra stating that the second density state of our planet lasted 4.5 billion years? You do realize he was talking about the state of time that the planet Earth was/has been/is able to support second density life, not the amount of time an entity must spent chained to second density, yes? For instance, Ra says third density lasts 75,000 years. That doesn't mean that one must incarnate for 75,000 years worth of lifetimes to become harvestable. Even on our slow learning planet, some were ready to be harvested at the 50,000 mark. Second density starts in the mineral realm, so I'd say your average dog/cat/horse/bird is a little further along the evolutionary path than your average quartz countertop. However, I do believe like the Elder Race continuing to stay at their level of incarnation for another cycle, that our pets often reach harvestability but choose to live a few more blink-of-the-eye lifetimes with us to learn/teach and teach/learn with us. The life of an earth pet with a loving master is usually a charmed one.

    This is all of course assuming a linear space-time continuum, in the grand illusion it really doesn't matter, in fact our pets probably even share the same higher selves as us and therefore are again just more faceted parts of our being.

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