Free Will and Consent

[Plenum]

one other interesting line of thought just recently for me has been the inter-relationship and connections between the concept of 'Free Will', and the notion of 'consent'.

Here, I am referencing Free Will as in the First Distortion.

I understand it better as everyone has the right to come to their own interpretation of a situation, and less about the right to do something that you desire.

Consent, most people would understand as being agreeing, voluntarily to have something happen or experience.

It would seem, during an incarnated experience, that Free Will (of Interpretation) runs pretty strong.  In some cases, Ra refused to answer questions that would violate the Law of Free Will, in giving information that one had not come to by oneself - or entertained the possible outcomes of such information.

And yet, in all 106 Sessions (I just searched) there isn't one mention of use of the word 'consent'.  Maybe that is a more limited human conception.

I don't think they are the same thing.  Free Will and consent.  I think they have differing domains.  But there does seem to be a lot that we don't 'consciously consent to', and yet, we always have the power of Free Will to choose a positive (ie accepting) interpretation, or a negative, separative understanding.

[TheFifty9Sound]

As I understand it, everything we experience we consent to on a vibrational level - even if not on an intellectual level. I think you are correct in saying we have free will in our definitions, which are intimately linked with our emotions, which are in turn linked with our vibration.

[Plenum]

As I understand it, everything we experience we consent to on a vibrational level - even if not on an intellectual level.

I think I would probably lean towards that kind of understanding of consent as well.

There's much that we gave 'consent' to, that:

* we forgot
* was in past existences
* we were tricked/deceived into out of naivety or ignorance of deeper consequences
* we enabled through thoughts of separation, and thus opened the doorway to negative greeting

These kinds of 'consent' would not fall under the usual definitions of 'informed consent of a sound mind'.

But somehow, as you say, on a vibrational level, a 'yes' was given.

[Turtle]

one other interesting line of thought just recently for me has been the inter-relationship and connections between the concept of 'Free Will', and the notion of 'consent'.

Here, I am referencing Free Will as in the First Distortion.

I understand it better as everyone has the right to come to their own interpretation of a situation, and less about the right to do something that you desire.

Consent, most people would understand as being agreeing, voluntarily to have something happen or experience.

It would seem, during an incarnated experience, that Free Will (of Interpretation) runs pretty strong.  In some cases, Ra refused to answer questions that would violate the Law of Free Will, in giving information that one had not come to by oneself - or entertained the possible outcomes of such information.

And yet, in all 106 Sessions (I just searched) there isn't one mention of use of the word 'consent'.  Maybe that is a more limited human conception.

I don't think they are the same thing.  Free Will and consent.  I think they have differing domains.  But there does seem to be a lot that we don't 'consciously consent to', and yet, we always have the power of Free Will to choose a positive (ie accepting) interpretation, or a negative, separative understanding.

Consent is a useless word. It stinks of business.

With greater degrees of awareness and knowledge of self, things get very, very fucking clear.

[spero]

consent is often alluded to in the material, particularly in relation to healing which requires consent or adoption of a configuration by the form-making body (if the healing is green ray). its also in such circumstances as those where the instrument must willingly leave its body for its displacement by either Ra or a negative.

an interesting and unintentional magical working/energy transfer between Don and Carla occurred nearing the end of the contact due to unintended use of will and explicitly given consent, even tho Don was unaware that the transfer was possible. this is perhaps closer to the stereotypical warning against agreeing to things lightly and the role of consent in magical working or energy transfers.

106.13 Questioner: Could Ra recommend what I should do to improve my state of health?

Ra: I am Ra. We tread most close to the Law of Confusion in this instance but feel the appropriateness of speaking due to potentially fatal results to the instrument. We pause to give the questioner and the scribe a few moments of space/time to aid us by stepping away from those distortions which cause us to invoke the Law of Confusion. This would be helpful.

[A few moments pause.]

I am Ra. We appreciate your attempts. Even [confusion on your behalves is helpful. The questioner has, in the recent past, allowed a complete transfer] of mental/emotional pain from the questioner to the instrument. The key to this deleterious working was when the instrument said words to the effect of the meaning that it would be the questioner and be the strong one. The questioner could be as the instrument, small and foolish. The questioner, in full ignorance of the firm intent of the instrument and not grasping the possibility of any such energy transfer, agreed.

These two entities have been as one for a timeless period and have manifested this in your space/time. Thusly, the deleterious working occurred. By agreement in care and caution it may be undone. We urge the attention to thanksgiving and harmony on the part of the questioner. We may affirm the previous recommendation in general of the skills and the purity of intention of the one known as Bob, and may note the sympathetic illness which has occurred due to the instrument’s sensitivities.

Lastly, we may note that to the one known as Peter several aspects of the distortions experienced by the questioner, the instrument, and the scribe may be quite apparent and rather simply traduced to lesser distortions.

[Plenum]

thanks for those thoughts spero.  Even though the word wasn't used explicitly, it's definitely implied in some situations.

Consent is a useless word. It stinks of business.

the word can definitely get corrupted - much like the word 'faith' has been by formal institutions.

[Minyatur]

In my understanding the first distortion of free will, is somewhat absolute. It is the primal distortion of all experiences which is quite logical once it is understood that other-selves are your very own projection which you chose to see and experience being among as a mean to know yourself. To me this distortion simply fills all of infinity, first distortion of the Source.

Within this distortion lies all of the hierarchy of desires and what Ra seems to call "free will infringement" seems to make reference to making use of confusion (veil) to lead astray (negative entities) or go against other-selves' plan of incarnation within confusion (positive entities).

But then again in my understanding, confusion was sought and desired to further know ourselves and our potential to be. So I wouldn't exactly see it as infringement either.

[APeacefulWarrior]

consent is often alluded to in the material, particularly in relation to healing which requires consent or adoption of a configuration by the form-making body (if the healing is green ray). its also in such circumstances as those where the instrument must willingly leave its body for its displacement by either Ra or a negative.

Another good example would be in 9.2 where Ra was specifically asked about their previous lives:

9.2 Questioner: Is it possible for you to tell us of anything in our past incarnations, our past experiences before this incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. It is possible. However, such information as this is carefully guarded by your mind/body/spirit being totality so that your present space/time experiences will be undiluted. Let us scan for harmless material for your beingness. [20-second pause.] ...

"Carefully guarded" to me would seem somewhat synonymous with "does not consent," in this case. It's an interesting question what that scan entails, and why it required a lengthy pause, but I'd tend to suspect Ra was querying their higher-self(s) about what information was appropriate to provide.

[Nicholas]

In my understanding the first distortion of free will, is somewhat absolute. 

Yeah I agree with that. I exclaimed to a local politician that "choice is absolute", after they projected, "You have a duty and a responsibility to vote" at my fiancee. When you know  something, a certain type of authority is embroidered within the attempt to communicate it. Take the example of being held at gunpoint, a choice still exists regardless of how we perceive the situation.

10.12 Questioner: Then although many entities are not aware of this, what they really desire is to accelerate their growth, and it is their job to discover this while incarnate. Is it correct that they can accelerate their growth much more while incarnate in third density than in between incarnations of this density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We shall attempt to speak upon this concept.

The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself. There are many among your social memory complex distortion who, at this time/space, engage daily, as you would put it, in the working upon the Law of One in one of its primal distortions; that is, the ways of love. However, if this same entity, being biased from the depths of its mind/body/spirit complex towards love/light, were then to accept responsibility for each moment of the time/space accumulation of present moments available to it, such an entity can empower its progress in much the same way as we described the empowering of the call of your social complex distortion to the Confederation.

I would say that the concept of free will is an absolute, rather than suggest that what Ra says, is indeed so.