Genetic Modification, GMO, Microbiology

[pat19989]

Hello everyone,

I hope you are all doing well. I've been meaning to make this thread for a little while, and even wrote it out last week but then my computer crashed haha so as you read this, know that the forces of will may have not wanted me to create this thread. 

I started working in a microbiology lab a few months back. In this lab, we engineer bacteria (E. coli) and yeast to intake DNA that we design and replicate in vitro, to express certain qualities or proteins that are desirable for various reasons. Ever since beginning this work, I have had very slight reservations in the back of my mind about the ethics of it all. I mostly subscribe to the ideology that intent is the most important aspect of any work that someone does, but I also go back and forth because of the way we treat these (albeit micro) organisms, as just a means to an end, and then we wash em down the drain (I do usually thank them after I am done, do not believe anyone else here does though). It's not like they suffer, and it is all limited to the micro scale, no work on plants or animals of any sort. 

Do you believe the principle of DNA design and modification is "bad"? Inside and outside of the context of GMO foods? 

I tend to stay away from GMO foods because many are designed to be sweeter or more pest resistant which I do not really align with.

Thoughts?

[Quincunx]

-------

[Patrick]

Ra did mention that we will create our new 4d bodies via genetics. So we must start somewhere.

[aWanderer91]

I believe our actions and the purity of our actions come down to intent, it's sounds like your heart is in the right place in regards to what you do

[flofrog]

Hello pat, both what patrick and aWanderer said…

[unity100]

It is bad in that once a GMO gets out to the wild and successfully reproduces, there is no taking it back.

A while ago US intelligence director published a warning about that. The warning said that hostile actors could easily use GMOs as a weapon to decimate people, food system, the ecosystem etc.

But the same applies to domestic state and private organizations as well - it doesnt matter whether a harmful GMO got out because of a hostile attack or a lab screwing up and causing it to escape. The effect is the same.

Imagine that a wheat strain that causes world's grain supply to go 40% less productive, gets out and starts reproducing with the normal grain strains in the fields. GMOs are made to not reproduce, but all it takes is the right mutation somewhere to restart it.

Or imagine GMO viruses - you saw some example of that with covid. It does not matter whether it was a biological attack by a country, or it got out by mistake or it was natural - the end result is the same.

GMOs and biological research should be very tightly regulated, internationally. Even tighter than nuclear weapons. Currently the US is the only country that refuses to sign the biological weapons proliferation treaty which almost everybody else signed.

[LeiwoUnion]

I seem to be unable to locate such treaty (with that name) or the signees, unity100. Can you provide a link to this information?

[unity100]

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological...Convention

Slight error - the US is a signatory, but what it does is refuse to sign the means for enforcement. Therefore the treaty remains toothless. Apparently this started with Bush administration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173329/

[LeiwoUnion]

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological...Convention

Slight error - the US is a signatory, but what it does is refuse to sign the means for enforcement. Therefore the treaty remains toothless. Apparently this started with Bush administration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173329/

Thought so. All of these treaties are meaningless, for all sides of the Earth, as those who don't have the capabilities sign these with virtuous glee, and the rest just do the development in 'secret'. I wonder what China does. Perhaps they do this 'out of necessity' to create balance in power; you know, defensively?

Probably not.

[Diana]

I started working in a microbiology lab a few months back. In this lab, we engineer bacteria (E. coli) and yeast to intake DNA that we design and replicate in vitro, to express certain qualities or proteins that are desirable for various reasons. Ever since beginning this work, I have had very slight reservations in the back of my mind about the ethics of it all. I mostly subscribe to the ideology that intent is the most important aspect of any work that someone does, but I also go back and forth because of the way we treat these (albeit micro) organisms, as just a means to an end, and then we wash em down the drain (I do usually thank them after I am done, do not believe anyone else here does though). It's not like they suffer, and it is all limited to the micro scale, no work on plants or animals of any sort. 

Do you believe the principle of DNA design and modification is "bad"? Inside and outside of the context of GMO foods? 

Thank you for considering other life forms, even if they are microscopic. 

At the present time, I do think genetically modified food is dangerous, as all genetic manipulation is. This is not because, in my opinion, that genetic manipulation itself is always nefarious, but the consciousness of humanity is not at a place where it can be done with the planet's (and all the beings on it) best interests are at heart.

Unity100 already pointed out the present dangers of GMO. We have known this for many years, and our corn supply is already tainted. Because of companies such as Monsanto in the US, and labs and university research and all the companies involved in this sort of experimentation for profit, financial gain is the bottom line, no matter how many people working for these companies have good intentions or even noble ones.This is what I mean by humanity not being consciously evolved in general. This is also seen of course in the huge pharmaceutical companies that rake in billions from harmful substances—and again, not every individual is evil in that industry, but the bottom line is profit which overrides real health concerns (example: J&J paid out over 2 billion in a lawsuit due to baby powder causing cancer).

My opinion is that I have to accept this as a present-day reality. There are all sorts of global and local unhealthy practices that affect our water, air, and food supplies. So what I do is try to live as healthily as I can, so that my body can better deal with the environmental pollutants without having to already deal with bad diet and unhealthy living choices. I don't mean to say I'm perfect because I am not, I just try to minimize unhealthy choices so energy and resources are left for my digestive system, organs, and lungs to process poisons that out of my control.

If we lived in an advanced society where consciousness has evolved to the point of compassion for all including all life forms, then genetic experimentation could be altruistic and for the good of all. Still, this sort of manipulation could be seen as being against free will in some cases. Even the human body is not just a human body but coexists with gut bacteria for example. My suspicion is that when we get to that point, this sort of manipulation of the basic physical building blocks of the body won't be needed, because we will have made leaps in healing that have to do with light. This has already, years ago, been done with the raspberry plant experiment using holographic projection (But don't bother to look it up as the abstract now is different—I first read it in the early 90s but when I looked it up many years later it was changed or they buried the original. I have an excellent memory and also David Wilcock has spoken of the original document it as well).

Until that time, I personally live my life the best I can (understanding that I am fallible and not perfect), and endeavor to be authentic, to know myself and keep in alignment my actions, thoughts, speech, and chosen path. It seems to be getting harder and harder to "not get caught up in the maelstrom" as Ra put it, but all we can do is keep recommitting to who we want to be as long as we are under the veil and living in the final struggles of 3rd density.

[unity100]

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological...Convention

Slight error - the US is a signatory, but what it does is refuse to sign the means for enforcement. Therefore the treaty remains toothless. Apparently this started with Bush administration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173329/

Thought so. All of these treaties are meaningless, for all sides of the Earth, as those who don't have the capabilities sign these with virtuous glee, and the rest just do the development in 'secret'. I wonder what China does. Perhaps they do this 'out of necessity' to create balance in power; you know, defensively?

Probably not.

Chinese establishment is very sensitive in regard to adherence to international law and treaties and they even drop their usual diplomatic language and start deriding those who violate them with 'strong' wordage.

What is called 'public face' (standing in society, respect among the society) constitute a fundamental cultural paradigm of Chinese culture and any loss of such respectability and standing is just intolerable - individually and as a society.

This is in total contrast with the particular Angloamerican establishment that has been so carefree about its promises and honesty that they caused a term like 'Perfidious Albion' to enter political science and history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion

...

But yes - the US does not seem to respect any treaty that they themselves sign, if an opportunity for more profit presents itself.

[zedro]

If all is an illusion then how bad can anything be.

I would be cautious with the "all is an illusion" based thinking, because it's the medium that you currently reside in and are dependent on for spiritual evolution. It's certainly an illusion or "dancing thoughts" at the higher levels of self, but right now I would be weary of sticking your hands into sharp objects lol.

(edit: I do get what you're getting at, just can't resist ha)

[Quincunx]

-------