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    Thread: Music: Spiritual Effects of Rock/Metal Music


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    #151
    05-14-2015, 03:01 PM (This post was last modified: 05-14-2015, 04:23 PM by Lighthead.)
    (05-14-2015, 12:32 PM)Nicholas Wrote:
    (05-13-2015, 07:38 PM)Lighthead Wrote: That song is actually better than most pop songs. Just a side note: The video seems to have some MK-ULTRA themes, as a lot of videos nowadays seem to have.

    But I can relate to not liking pop music. For me the majority of a song's appeal is the way it sounds. And pop and country songs, while the lyrics may be deep, the way the actual music sounds to the ear doesn't resonate on a very deep level with me. My favorite music mostly doesn't even have lyrics (just straight up electronic music), so if the music itself sounds "shallow" then you lost me with the majority of it. My ear really is geared to deciphering just the way the sound feels to the ear. It might also help that I'm into actually making music from time to time.

    MK-ULTRA themes!? I profoundly disagree Lighthead. In fact I would suggest that this song is aimed at indigo children, or the third wave of volunteers as described by Delores Cannon in her book "The Three Waves of Volunteers". Alesso has a key hung from his neck and he is entering into an asylum in order to free the children that are being held prisoner. Each have power's that hint towards 4th density work, yet are seen to be a danger to the public, hence being held captive in said asylum. 

    My point was not all pop is shallow and by definition, in part, lyrics are an essential component for a song to be widely accepted. The other aspect is non-complex chords and melodies in a 'major' key. Perhaps its simplicity is what you find uninteresting?

    Also, working for the light can involve entering into seemingly negative places in the attempt to connect with those that remain asleep, thus somewhat enamoured by the allure of our loyal opposition. 

    We do have a little in common on the electronic music taste as I have experience as a part time DJ playing House in bars & clubs, learning the craft of how to read moods and create an emotional journey. I only ever made a few bootlegs though so cannot claim to having made my own as yet. I think I have derailed this thread enough, it might be more appropriate to create one that explores popular culture in the musical context.

    Finally though I do completely agree that in the aggregate pop music lacks authentic expression. A classically trained pianist and electronic music producer friend insightfully said to me once "Mainstream music is 90% marketing and 10% creativity". 

    I am sort of wary of derailing the thread, like you said. But what do you think about the fact that Alesso dies at the end? I notice that MK-ULTRA inspired music videos tend to end on a discordant note like that to cause confusion. If you don't want to derail the thread then answer me privately or, if possible, create a thread about it. If worse comes to worse they can split this thread. I realize that that seems to be my answer to everything, but I don't know what else could be done.

    I actually do agree with the rest of what you said. And it is the simplicity that I find uninteresting. The kind of electronica that I like is jazzy. Like, for example, Squarepusher. But he's an old influence. I like much newer stuff now as well. I am attracted to complex rhythms.
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    #152
    05-15-2015, 12:38 AM
    Hendrix does wonders for me, as well as zeppelin, I also really enjoy The Doors and Pink Floyd, but I find myself listening to Hendrix the most because he had a very loving message in his work. I think the negative vocals could perhaps be some sort of personal expression in the music, and can be interpreted as such, but its also very interesting to play out the stories and relate to the stories in the words.
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    #153
    08-04-2015, 10:45 PM
    How can such a creepy band create such STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL and MAGNIFICENT music?

    This is their best song, thankfully without the 'disembodied banshee' vocals or disgusting lyrics...just amazing music! A Masterpiece!

    Cradle of Filth - Rise of the Pentagram

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    08-04-2015, 10:54 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2015, 11:54 PM by Monica.)
    (05-11-2015, 04:26 PM)Aion Wrote: Just a general comment out to the thread in regards to defining the effects of particular types of music for all individuals. I firmly believe that the interpretation of sound and music is entirely an individual affair.

    Now, I do believe that certain sounds, harmonics, chords and tones are certainly tuned to creating particular effects and emotions. Any suggestion that any particular music in and of itself is 'bad' is asinine to me.

    The only exception I would make is ritual music or music which has been made literally with positive or negative intentions, consciously and on purpose. In this regard I can contend there are some metal bands who are like this but it has nothing to do with it being metal and everything to do with the energy the individuals are putting in to their expressions. You could also have classical music that is full of negative intention if that's the force that was put in by the individual.

    In most cases, if not all, however, I view music as expressive, and my reception of it as impression.

    Well said! Would you put Dimmu Borgir in that category? That is a band I 'should' love because they have amazing, orchestral music which normally I go nuts over, but I have never been able to enjoy them, for some reason. They really creep me out! and I can't quite put my finger on why. It isn't the face paint - many bands do that and it's just part of their image and it doesn't bother me at all. Nor is it their lyrics either because I've never even read their lyrics and can't understand what he's singing anyway. Plus, sometimes I like music despite their negative lyrics because I liked the music before I ever knew what he was saying, and the 'vibe' of the music doesn't seem negative to me so I'd rather not know what he's really saying.

    CoF doesn't bother me at all...I love Nymphetamine and Thornography, though I like their earlier stuff less because I don't like the vocals. But their 'satanic' image seems more like a caricature...a modern-day Black Sabbath...not to be taken seriously. They're just being irreverent for the fun of it.

    But I find DB quite creepy and unsettling...like maybe they really ARE 'satanic'. Not sure why...it's just the vibe I get from them and I can't listen to them. What do you think?

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    #155
    08-04-2015, 10:59 PM
    (05-13-2015, 04:41 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The structure of prog metal for exemple is very based of classical music.

    Lots of classical pieces would be amazing with a metal sound.

    I'm pretty sure that's been done. And of course lots of metal and prog bands have integrated classical into their songs with quite stunning effects.

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    08-04-2015, 11:05 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2015, 11:07 PM by Monica.)
    (05-11-2015, 12:02 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: IMO if you take away every negative emotions that could be poured into music it becomes dull and mindless.

    I do get why you have a problem with harsh vocals, I used not to be able to stand this guy's voice and only listened for a few years to their album that had no growl until I ended starting to appreciate it more and more because others made me listen to the other albums. I used to see his voice as demonic but now even the growl are somewhat angelic. Are demons not angels afterall?

    Here's one song that I love from by far my favorite metal band. Their last two albums don't include any growl and have a very different genre, but they're still dark in themselves.

    Yes, I know that song well. Opeth is one of my son's fav bands. I've seen them live. I do appreciate them a great deal, though I still have trouble enjoying them because of the vocals.

    I adore Dark Tranquillity though...that other Mikael won me over for some reason! Maybe its his angelic glow and smile, not sure. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKjzDU7V7es

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    #157
    08-04-2015, 11:46 PM
    Six pages of this and I have never seen this thread. Wow!

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    08-04-2015, 11:53 PM
    (08-04-2015, 11:46 PM)tamaryn Wrote: Six pages of this and I have never seen this thread. Wow!

    Oh there are all sorts of tasty gems buried in the old threads...sigh

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    #159
    08-07-2015, 08:35 AM
    metal is as evil as the sheep who label it as such.


    truly there is no evil in this world nor is there any real good.

    there is only the in breath and the out breath. there is the male principle and the female principle, there is the balance between two opposing forces and the metal being a detriment to you or to others is as much the meaning that you give it.


    Our cabal what do they do, they take SYMBOLS, and make them seem EVIL, by turning them upside down... the star becomes the pentagram, the cross becomes the upturned cross, the swastika inner strength becomes a symbol of racism.


    We need to take back these symbols and declare metal is not evil, beethoven would have loved metal!
    metal is the classical music of today.

    IT IS THESE PEOPLE WHO SPEW EVIL AND SPEW EVIL DEFINITIONS, these are the real demons. These people have always been judgmental, accusatory, and full of ego, these are the elite, and we are separating ourselves from these elitists and their ideas.
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    #160
    08-07-2015, 08:37 AM
    dare i say metal is of the light... and love... love of killer guitar riffs... how is that selfish, how is that self serving? It's as self serving as craving to see an opera or a concert, or to go to someplace to dance. it is simply part of the human experience. part of the physical experience. it's not evil at all, it's the people who choose to take these symbols and twist the meaning.

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    08-09-2015, 03:54 PM
    (08-07-2015, 08:35 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: Our cabal what do they do, they take SYMBOLS, and make them seem EVIL, by turning them upside down... the star becomes the pentagram, the cross becomes the upturned cross, the swastika inner strength becomes a symbol of racism.


    We need to take back these symbols and declare metal is not evil, beethoven would have loved metal!
    metal is the classical music of today.

    Agreed!

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    #162
    07-01-2019, 10:13 PM
    Hello everyone, I found this forum now while searching about the spiritual effects that Metal music can have on us. 10 years after the creation of this thread!. I recently had a QHHT session and the facilitator told me I should stop listening to Metal because it will supposedly lower my vibration... I was out of words, how would I explain to her that although I am a classically trained singer, I am too a metalhead since I was 13, that I still am deeply in love with this music and that it has lifted me from deep states of depression and basically saved my life when I was in a really dark place. It's what I listen to when I want to release my anger and sorrow and when I am happy too, it strengthens me and comforts me like nothing else does. I know inside my heart that she was wrong to make such statement and just as I told her, one has to love this music in order to understand it. Lots of pieces of classical music were controversial and misunderstood too, back in the day.
    What I listen to is mainly Black Symphonic Metal, some of you might have heard from this band but please take a moment to read the lyrics of this song...

    DIMMU BORGIR - GATEWAYS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMi6Rzb1EfY

    The core principle of freedom
    Is the only notion to obey
    The formula of evolution and sin
    Leading the way

    The rebirth is near completion
    As we slowly awaken from slumber

    The malpractice of the spirit ends
    Gateways!
    When the gift is once again attained
    Gateways!
    No rules or restraints are longer valid
    Gateways!
    When the ancient future is reclaimed
    Gateways!

    It's all there for the eye that can see
    The blind ones will always suffer in secrecy
    For it is the omen
    Of what lies submerged
    Untouched within us

    The core principle of freedom
    Is the only notion to obey
    The formulae of evolution and sin
    Leading the way
    The rebirth is near completion
    As we slowly awaken from slumber
    To receive the light that shines in darkness
    The light that shines forevermore
    Forevermore!

    Be the broken or the breaker
    Be the giver or the undertaker
    Unlatch and open the doors
    Be the healer or the faker
    The keys are in your hands
    Realize you are your own sole creator
    Of your own masterplan

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    #163
    07-03-2019, 08:52 AM (This post was last modified: 07-03-2019, 08:53 AM by loostudent.)
    Welcome binahtarot!

    I wrote in a similar thread:

    (05-22-2018, 06:15 PM)loostudent Wrote: I used to listen to a lot of heavy metal (mostly progressive) when I was younger. I guess I needed something to awake my masculine energy, courage, readiness to protect and fight, decisiveness, passionate emotions ... I was very very shy. My life was also less stressful, I had more free time ... Now I need more peaceful and sunny music to calm my nerves.

    I still listen to some metal and rock. Darkness and agression is typical for this genre but I rather listen to bands that have a positive vibe or address stregth and power from a different perspective. Everytime I hear "Child in Time" I feel the shivers. Or music of Angra (when Matos was in the band), Shadow Gallery, Dream Theater, Rush, Neal Morse ...

    https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=15647

    As Ra said also about the concepts of the Tree of Life: "The intent of the practitioner in working with these powerful concepts determines the polarity of the working. The tools are the tools." I see the concept of Geburah (Strength) (also Fire and Warrior in other systems) as predominant in metal music. It can easily express anger of separation and negativity but it can also express active love, readiness to deal with the shadow and to do/fight for something positive, hope/never giving up ...

    Some examples:

    https://youtu.be/0oG6kxhGU8Y

    https://youtu.be/TpFy0gn6Y0E

    https://youtu.be/Vkga-cP8jvU

    https://youtu.be/U5X_Dd_6Czk

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    07-03-2019, 09:48 AM
    (07-01-2019, 10:13 PM)binahtarot Wrote: /.../ some of you might have heard from this band but please take a moment to read the lyrics of this song...

    DIMMU BORGIR - GATEWAYS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMi6Rzb1EfY

    The core principle of freedom
    Is the only notion to obey
    The formula of evolution and sin
    Leading the way

    /.../

    Sorry, but this band seems to spread negative (STS) philosophy. What the guitarist said in an interview fits with the lyrics of this song:

    Quote:HailsWebzine.com: Many people automatically perceive black metal bands such as your own to be "Satanic" or rooted in the occult practices, etc. Your own previous statements on this and your lyrics have always been interesting. But today, what are your own ideologies on life, death, spirituality, and the "religion" thing? I have heard DIMMU referred to as "spiritual". What to you does spirituality mean or entail, how has it applied to DIMMU's music and approach from the beginning 'til now, and what is spirituality as opposed to religion? And what do "God" and "Satan" bring to mind for you when you see those words?

    Silenoz: Spirituality is individual while as I see religion as not. It's man-made and there to enslave and control the insecure and those who for whatever reason don't dare or have given up the fight. To have a religious belief, or a religious conviction, to me, means you give up that birth given right to be an individual, perhaps on more levels than just the spiritual one. And "satan," or referring to the description "satanic," for me, is being that individual as Satan is a modern metaphor for breaking out and away from what's considered the norm and what's considered safe and controlling. I adhere to progress, not only in scientific terms but also on a personal level and everything that concerns my own being. We wouldn't exist without a continuous ongoing evolution and so the "Luciferian thought" is a way of always lighting the torch in the dark. Without being willing to bring in light we would still be stuck in the dark. To me it's pretty simple if you break it down symbolically. Being religious, to me, also means you leave your responsibilities by the door or over to something else, a higher deity. It doesn't make sense to me. I have never been able to relate to it nor will I ever; it's against common sense. For me, there's no higher spiritual deity than myself and I take pride in taking responsibility, whether it's a physical or a mental one. I don't rule out anything other than the fact that I'm here now and solely in power of myself and my actions and reactions. That pretty much sums up the general idea, my lifecode, whatever you want to call it. There's no one that can tell me to fear or worship any other god than myself.

    https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dimmu-...an-myself/

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    #165
    07-09-2019, 02:04 PM
    If music resonates with me, whatever it is,I give it a go and listen on. Lower chakras and all.

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    07-09-2019, 03:38 PM
    I will use music induce or augment my mental and therefore physical state. Simplified: I crank metal when I work out. Or used to. Like several in this forum, I wonder if there might just be some metaphysical hooks associated with the darker stuff. I mean, Ra says we are like a "tone poem" and I wonder if the space-time patterns and frequencies of dark music can have time-space consequences that could change my current resonance pattern? It would, on the surface, seem like it could. Can I enjoy the physical state amplification yet avoid any negative messaging or intent that may not be just riding shotgun but the primary driver of the song? Are there any lower astral, vampire thought forms just waiting for me to open the door and invite them in via this music? What if I am of strong positive polarization and I don't 'fear' the effect of the negative messaging or dissonant frequencies? Is that enough? Can a clean person swim in dirty water without getting dirty and wet?

    Dunno.

    I have recently started playing chakra clearing, entrainment tones when I work out. I am no stronger, but no weaker. I just pump my fist less.

    Losta question marks in that post...

    I guess the kernel of the issue is this: If we permit something that is potentially negatively polarized into our experience, which we are trying to keep positively polarized, will it have any lasting, untoward effects?

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    07-09-2019, 04:06 PM
    (07-09-2019, 03:38 PM)ttwagneriii Wrote: I will use music induce or augment my mental and therefore physical state.  Simplified: I crank metal when I work out.  Or used to.  Like several in this forum, I wonder if there might just be some metaphysical hooks associated with the darker stuff.   I mean, Ra says we are like a "tone poem" and I wonder if the space-time patterns and frequencies of dark music can have time-space consequences that could change my current resonance pattern?  It would, on the surface, seem like it could.  Can I enjoy the physical state amplification yet avoid any negative messaging or intent that may not be just riding shotgun but the primary driver of the song?   Are there any lower astral, vampire thought forms just waiting for me to open the door and invite them in via this music?  What if I am of strong positive polarization and I don't 'fear' the effect of the negative messaging or dissonant frequencies?  Is that enough?  Can a clean person swim in dirty water without getting dirty and wet?

    Dunno.

    I have recently started playing chakra clearing, entrainment tones when I work out.  I am no stronger, but no weaker.  I just pump my fist less.  

    Losta question marks in that post...

    I guess the kernel of the issue is this:  If we permit something that is potentially negatively polarized into our experience, which we are trying to keep positively polarized, will it have any lasting, untoward effects?

    Vampire thought forms are waiting for you to slip while you are trying to be positive but fail to do so. I have had negative entities to try to frighten me out of meditating.
    Isn't it the way we perceive things to be afterall? If we think it's kind of ronchy then it probably is. I don't think any positive person would listen to something negative all the time unless they are exploring some darker issues within themselves. Then it becomes like a season, it has it's time and then it passes by.

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    #168
    07-09-2019, 06:35 PM
    Ya know, if you think about it, here is 3D, everything that is not me is simply a form of energy that I can engage with or not. Music, of any type, is no different. As an analogy, I will compare music to food. Both are external to me and I can take both into my system. Some food, will, because of its chemical characteristics, encourage the health and well being of my body. Different food, for the same reason, will have the opposite effect. So I can eat organic greens or a Big Mac. My choice. Their energies will just have reasonably predictable effects on my energy system. Perhaps my developed level of fitness and nutritional habits would render the Big Mac less damaging to my chemical body as long as I didn't eat too many of them too often. Unless it is poisoned.

    Maybe music, and its energetic profile, will affect our individual energetic profiles the same way.

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    08-04-2019, 06:42 AM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2019, 06:45 AM by angelbaby.)
    Synchronicity is a way to the Universe is communicating to you. Pay attention to it

    444 Is A Sign Someone Is Trying To Communicate With You
    It is a sign that you are currently following the right path.  If you see the number 444 repeatedly, it is often your angel giving you a sign that they are with you. The sign is reminding you to feel confident and supported in this knowledge.
    read more about 444 angel number and other repeating numbers

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