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    01-04-2016, 08:42 PM
    The Ego is very important. Perhaps you have heard a condescending attitude towards the Ego in many circles of spiritual seekers, stigmatizing it as a negative or a bad thing causing all the pain and suffering in the world. This is simply not true. Gauge deeper, and you will find that the Ego is an invaluable portion of your identity totality as a soul, a being of infinite intelligence. Identity, although permanent as an aspect of your beingness, is nevertheless in a state of perpetual transformation and transmutation. Such an epitome is seen when viewing an incarnation in retrospect. You are not the same 'person' you were ten years ago let alone a second ago. The sense of identity can become more loose or what would be called impersonal, but it can never truly vanish, not even at the higher densities of consciousness. Were it not for the Ego, you would not be able to have a physical experience as a centralized entity.

    When I speak of the Ego in this way, I do not simply speak of the self imago. I do not speak of the thought complex gradually built in a significant amount of moments and plasticized by the nexus of emotional relations contained within it. The Ego is in simile like a character in a game, in a way, controlled by the player, and the character is an extension of the player. However, I do not prefer to use the word, 'control', because of its connotations, primarily that implication which does not recognize the free will of the object of control. I would rather use the word, 'guidance'. It is suitable to say that the player guides the actions of the character in its concentric dance of free will, but in a larger context there exists no separation between the player and the character. The character is the eternal player mortalized. You can realize you are not the Ego, but you can not obliterate the characteristics of your deepest being and remain totally passive to all stimulus.

    Please understand that there are many types of Egos, many of which have become so inured to certain patterns of demeanor that they can indeed be seen as being of a harmful descent. That also depends on how you use the tools given, that is, in what light do you see them? You may see that some entities succumb to minorly manipulative social behaviors, others to aggressive relationships towards the self and other selves, and some to lying habits. The examples are practical and many. See to it that this is not a simple matter of labeling a negative or a positive Ego like splitting things into black and white; each being has its unique complexities. Things are not that plain. In each situation works various subtle energy influxes within the energy body of an entity that are, more or less, balanced or resonant with each other like a tuned or a detuned musical instrument. And how is that specific entity polarized? This is a very meaningful question when considering any distortion of an entity.

    So in this way you will understand that a relatively balanced, benevolent or malevolent entity keeps materializing its Ego while still maintaining particular behavioral tendencies and biases. It is a question of how aligned one is with its own player. Are you friends with your True Self? Is your True Self benevolent or malevolent? When you break the Ego down condescendingly, you are being rude because you did not listen to its whispers of sorrow and you ignored its cries of loneliness. These realities happen within the mind complex and are very real. Therefore, it is compassionately wise to love the Ego for what it is without disregarding how personal experiences affected its long ride of confusions and joys. When you embrace the Ego, it works with you rather than against you. You are the eternal player playing an extremely unique character of your own creation. There is really no separation in this regard.
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    01-05-2016, 12:34 AM
    The ego seems useful to the higherself. Is it as much useful to the character within the veil?
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    01-05-2016, 05:05 AM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2016, 05:08 AM by Verum Occultum.)
    (01-05-2016, 12:34 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: The ego seems useful to the higherself. Is it as much useful to the character within the veil?

    What is useful to the character within the veil, is useful to the Higher Self, in this way being again useful to the character within the veil.
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    01-05-2016, 05:29 AM
    How does one work positively hand in hand with his ego? What kind of relation does an ego entertain with a shadow self?
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    01-05-2016, 09:33 AM
    (01-04-2016, 08:42 PM)Verum Occultum Wrote: The Ego is very important. Perhaps you have heard a condescending attitude towards the Ego in many circles of spiritual seekers, stigmatizing it as a negative or a bad thing causing all the pain and suffering in the world. This is simply not true.

    I personally would use the term 'ego' to reference those tendencies which lean towards a separated self.  That is in no way bad in itself; it just is what it is.  But that's my own preferencing of using the term - strongly influenced by A Course in Miracles of course BigSmile

    (01-04-2016, 08:42 PM)Verum Occultum Wrote: Gauge deeper, and you will find that the Ego is an invaluable portion of your identity totality as a soul, a being of infinite intelligence. Identity, although permanent as an aspect of your beingness, is nevertheless in a state of perpetual transformation and transmutation. Such an epitome is seen when viewing an incarnation in retrospect.

    I think what you are describing is the process of Individuation.  Individuation is a necessary and vital part of the evolving self.  Individuation is done through the forming (and recording) of biases.

    (01-04-2016, 08:42 PM)Verum Occultum Wrote: You are not the same 'person' you were ten years ago let alone a second ago. The sense of identity can become more loose or what would be called impersonal, but it can never truly vanish, not even at the higher densities of consciousness. Were it not for the Ego, you would not be able to have a physical experience as a centralized entity.

    I suspect that what you describe here and in the rest of the OP is something very close to the Hierophant - the Significator of the Mind.

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    "The mind itself became an actor possessed of free will and, more especially, will. As the Significator of the mind, the Hierophant has the will to know, but what shall it do with its knowledge, and for what reasons does it seek? The potential[s] of a complex significator are manifold."

    "The mind/body/spirit complex which is an infant has one highly developed portion which may be best studied by viewing the Significators of Mind and Body. You notice we do not include the spirit. That portion of a mind/body/spirit complex is not reliably developed in each and every mind/body/spirit complex. Thusly the infant’s significant self, which is the harvest of biases of all previous incarnational experiences, offers to this infant biases with which to meet new experience."
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    01-05-2016, 11:45 AM
    (01-05-2016, 05:29 AM)matrix_drumr Wrote: How does one work positively hand in hand with his ego? What kind of relation does an ego entertain with a shadow self?

    Acceptance.  The ego for me is like your character in a video game: you will do things with and to that character you'd never do if it was your "real body".  So the ego is a continual, ongoing exercise in accepting and balancing the enemies, challenges, etc that the game is directing towards you.  Because the value of the game is not to the little pixeled avatar on the screen; it is the fun the player is having.  Without the latter, what would beating the game even mean?  And yet, without the story that contextualizes and significates the avatar's character and the story of the game, that makes sense out of the avatar's limitations relative to the game mechanics, would it be play at all?

    The shadow self is, I believe, a super-potentiated ego that goes all-in on its limitations because what it loses in universality it gains in identity.  It makes the whole concept of a thing doing the controlling and thing being controlled, the subject/object dynamic, possible.
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    01-05-2016, 11:47 AM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2016, 11:53 AM by Verum Occultum.)
    Thank you Plenum for your additional informations. Very well elaborated, jeremy6d.

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    01-05-2016, 12:10 PM
    (01-05-2016, 09:33 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: I personally would use the term 'ego' to reference those tendencies which lean towards a separated self.  That is in no way bad in itself; it just is what it is.  But that's my own preferencing of using the term - strongly influenced by A Course in Miracles of course BigSmile

    A little bit of a tangent, but this is one of the things that is really difficult about the Course: it defines its terms with so much precision that it makes it difficult to discuss its insights with others. Cuz beyond a certain surface understanding you have to get into this technical description of, for example, the Holy Spirit, and that only begs the question on all the other aspects of the worldview which that definition relies upon to reinforce and reciprocate it. By the time you're done you're waist deep in a conceptual stew as thick as Catholic doctrine.

    Also, from a Course perspective, how would you describe the utility of the ego, Plenum? Because so much of the Course revolves around the theme of the ego being some sort of error keeping us from unity and peace. That was one thing that really drew me to the Law of One philosophy: a more coherent explanation of the function of the incarnation. I'm not sure the Course (or for that matter, Bhuddism) has any use for the kind of evolutionary talos implicit in those of Ra's cosmology.

    Of course, Ra's cosmology has a lot of juiciness to geek out on, too, so there's always a need for balance.

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    01-05-2016, 12:44 PM
    (01-05-2016, 12:10 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:  Cuz beyond a certain surface understanding you have to get into this technical description of, for example, the Holy Spirit, and that only begs the question on all the other aspects of the worldview which that definition relies upon to reinforce and reciprocate it.  By the time you're done you're waist deep in a conceptual stew as thick as Catholic doctrine.

    I fully agree Jeremy.  What is one of the remarkable things about ACIM is that it is a self contained philosophical cosmology; in the same way that Ra is.  It invents it's own terms (or to be more exact in ACIM's case - it co-opts existing christian terminology, and then repurposes it for it's own system), which then makes it extremely difficult to copy-and-paste insights, as they are rooted in what is a foreign language by that point, in terms of overlap with the everyday usage of those terms.  So being able to 'make sense' and even 'grok' ACIM is a business of constant internal retranslation.  It ain't easy, and most people just throw their hands up when confronted with the Fortress of judeo-christian language.  Heck, for the first few years, I didn't even get what a 'miracle' was; even though it was defined in 50 points in the first chapter!  The 'miracle' in the Course in Miracles is not even about physical healing for god's sake!  (although it can result in physical changes, if the miracle of mental healing is allowed to occur).


    (01-05-2016, 12:10 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: Also, from a Course perspective, how would you describe the utility of the ego, Plenum?

    in the context of ACIM, the ego functions as showing you the emptiness and hollowness of uninspired thinking.  That is, thinking that is not infused with the light of spirit/love.

    in that sense, it enables one to experience/see what one does NOT want, as it it deeply unsatisfying.  So the ego functions in the same way that a cultivated mind views Survivor or Instant Noodles.  It's fluff and filler.

    (01-05-2016, 12:10 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:  Because so much of the Course revolves around the theme of the ego being some sort of error keeping us from unity and peace.

    yes, that would be accurate.  But perhaps error might not be the right word.  More that the 'small minded' thinking associated with the ego (which is there to defend the self from harm, damage, ensure continuity) is inappropriate and hijacking when it's allowed to dominate all of consciousness using it's particular values and limited viewpoint.  The ego in the ACIM sense is a defensive mechanism of the mind, which has autonomous status.  It might correspond to the 'reptilian part' of the physical brain; if you believe that particular model of neuroscience.

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    (01-05-2016, 12:10 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: That was one thing that really drew me to the Law of One philosophy: a more coherent explanation of the function of the incarnation.  I'm not sure the Course (or for that matter, Bhuddism) has any use for the kind of evolutionary talos implicit in those of Ra's cosmology.

    ACIM is limited by it's ostensible author.  I think it's a pinnacle 4d communications - that is, it contains a coherent, fully explicated philosophy of a 4d being.  And that's it.  It's got everything they got, within the boundary conditions of that particular density and seeking.  It's utterly perfect, when seen in that light.  But 5d is more encompassing and explanatory, and 6d is more encompassing again, and even more explanatory.  So Ra gives the broadest container of Creation when it comes to systems and philosophies.  Other models sit within the 'Law of One', and flesh out more particular understandings and approaches.

    As for explaining the incarnation, once you have the biggest scope of creation, you can then place the individual within that model.  It's a wonderful map for the 'big journey' Smile
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    01-05-2016, 05:03 PM
    I could work a team with a minimalized ego. But it seems hard to work a team with a shadow self. It seems like it wants to work against you. But I guess maybe it's working a team with your higher self. Accepting it and loving seems like the only thing you can do with it anyway. Working against it seems only to make it stronger.

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    01-06-2016, 10:16 AM
    (01-05-2016, 12:44 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: It invents it's own terms (or to be more exact in ACIM's case - it co-opts existing christian terminology, and then repurposes it for it's own system), which then makes it extremely difficult to copy-and-paste insights, as they are rooted in what is a foreign language by that point, in terms of overlap with the everyday usage of those terms.  So being able to 'make sense' and even 'grok' ACIM is a business of constant internal retranslation.  It ain't easy, and most people just throw their hands up when confronted with the Fortress of judeo-christian language.  Heck, for the first few years, I didn't even get what a 'miracle' was; even though it was defined in 50 points in the first chapter!  The 'miracle' in the Course in Miracles is not even about physical healing for god's sake!  (although it can result in physical changes, if the miracle of mental healing is allowed to occur).

    As somebody raised by ACIM students, I can totally attest to this. I have memories of my parents getting into deep debates / discussions with people over the exact deployment of these words and concepts. I described it to my philosophy teacher in high school as "brainwashing, but the good kind" because it really does force you do a pretty serious re-mapping of terminology. That said, I think it's one of the things that's really powerful about it--it's very self-contained and complete, as you said, and it has a lot of _density_ and self-reinforcement within its system.

    Actually that's one thing that turns me off about it: I like how those of Ra are much more inclined to invoke mystery and admit when words fail. There are some things that even a narrow band communication with a sixth density entity cannot teach you.

    (01-05-2016, 12:44 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: in the context of ACIM, the ego functions as showing you the emptiness and hollowness of uninspired thinking.  That is, thinking that is not infused with the light of spirit/love.

    in that sense, it enables one to experience/see what one does NOT want, as it it deeply unsatisfying.  So the ego functions in the same way that a cultivated mind views Survivor or Instant Noodles.  It's fluff and filler.

    Interesting. Are there any passages you can think of that elaborate on this? Just curious, it's been like 20 years since I really studied it.

    (01-05-2016, 12:44 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: But perhaps error might not be the right word.  More that the 'small minded' thinking associated with the ego (which is there to defend the self from harm, damage, ensure continuity) is inappropriate and hijacking when it's allowed to dominate all of consciousness using it's particular values and limited viewpoint.  The ego in the ACIM sense is a defensive mechanism of the mind, which has autonomous status.  It might correspond to the 'reptilian part' of the physical brain; if you believe that particular model of neuroscience.

    Huh, I never saw ACIM as promoting "balance" in this way. I appreciate your recasting of these dynamics. Makes me wanna crack it open again!

    Totally agree about the density pedigree of the work. It's big time 4d (although it does have some 5d bookishness in there. I wonder if Schuchman, the channel, was a 5- or 6-d wanderer who channeled something 4d).

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    01-06-2016, 08:38 PM
    (01-06-2016, 10:16 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:
    (01-05-2016, 12:44 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: in the context of ACIM, the ego functions as showing you the emptiness and hollowness of uninspired thinking.  That is, thinking that is not infused with the light of spirit/love.

    in that sense, it enables one to experience/see what one does NOT want, as it it deeply unsatisfying.  So the ego functions in the same way that a cultivated mind views Survivor or Instant Noodles.  It's fluff and filler.

    Interesting.  Are there any passages you can think of that elaborate on this?  Just curious, it's been like 20 years since I really studied it.

    I can't really recall any off hand.  That said, the ego is providing service in much the same way a negative entity might provide service - it's in a roundabout way, if it's able to be seen that the self contains all things.  Without that larger establishing frame, then the ego is just doing it's own thing - engaging in guilt, fear generation, and stuck looking at the world through a small box.  The ego (in the ACIM sense) is not kindly or benevolent in any real way.  It's locked by limited thinking.


    (01-06-2016, 10:16 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:
    (01-05-2016, 12:44 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: But perhaps error might not be the right word.  More that the 'small minded' thinking associated with the ego (which is there to defend the self from harm, damage, ensure continuity) is inappropriate and hijacking when it's allowed to dominate all of consciousness using it's particular values and limited viewpoint.  The ego in the ACIM sense is a defensive mechanism of the mind, which has autonomous status.  It might correspond to the 'reptilian part' of the physical brain; if you believe that particular model of neuroscience.

    Huh, I never saw ACIM as promoting "balance" in this way.  I appreciate your recasting of these dynamics.  Makes me wanna crack it open again!

    Again, that might just be me seeing things through a more 'unitive' eye.  ACIM, if it is indeed a 4d work, is still stuck in the good/evil duality, and good being the only valid path.

    That said, it does illucidate the workings and the schemings of the ego; and so these are quite important psychological mechanisms to be aware of, so they can be defused.

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