to be harvestable, must one be generally full of joy??

[AnthroHeart]

Broadly speaking, I'd say Wanderers don't have to worry much about the Harvest.  Yes, it's possible for them to get so far off-track that they end up caught up in the planetary energies\incarnation cycle again, but for a variety of reasons, I honestly believe there's a fairly low probability of that happening.  

After all, Hitler ended up going back 'home' and undergoing healing, rather than getting thrown back on the wheel.  Not to mention, if the statistics Ra quoted in 36.24 are still accurate, less than ten percent of Wanderers actually come into full self-actualization, with the vast majority simply spending their lives feeling like misfits without seeing through the 'illusion' of physicality. It's hard to imagine why anyone would go Wandering if they seriously had a 9-in-10 chance of getting stuck back in the reincarnation loop!

The Harvest on Earth itself is for 3D entities who may be ready to advance to 4D for the first time.  For Wanderers, Harvest-time is merely a period with huge amounts of catalyst which can speed up their own development and work towards whatever goals they're trying to accomplish.  

As for those who do end up 'swept into the maelstrom'?  My basic belief is that only happens to Wanderers who outright "devolve" during their time on Earth.  They don't merely forget the higher lessons of love\wisdom\unity they were trying to bring with them.  Rather, they end up behaving in ways so contrary to those lessons that they effectively regress into a lower form of existence by altering their energy patterns so radically that they no longer "fit in" with their home density and\or S-M-C.

And if this seems ancillary to your question, the point I'm basically making is this:  Don't stress the Harvest.  Worrying about whether you're "saved" is just going to increase negative feedback loops in your psyche.  That, in turn, makes it far harder to embrace love and joy.  If you're here, and awakened enough to think you're probably a Wanderer, you're almost certainly also awake enough not to get swept up.

(So there's something to be happy about right there! )

Thank you for clearing up harvest and how it pertains to wanderers. I can second the catalyst. It seems to be growing.
It doesn't sting as badly as it used to, but it seems to be more intense and people seem to not like me as much.
People trying to stick it to me.

[unity100]

The harvesters and harvest-helpers make sure that such situations that pertain to entities' lives on the planet wont have an effect on the harvest.

Harvest happens at the spirit level. Trials and tribulations of earthly life have no effect during harvest.

[schubert]

thanks so much everyone. when in the grip of despair it's nigh impossible to retain your positive outlook of the ALL.

if you ever find yourself in a really negative outlook, my advice is that you can try to think it through but something thats really effective is to expose yourself to really positive stuff and just take it in, stuff along the lines of pet videos or people taking care of others etc.

[Cyan]

Why would improper neurotransmitters have anything to do with the electrical output strength of the brain? I mean, from where I stand density is a question of ability to comprehend, not ability to enjoy, so what if your depression drops you in 4D Negative, its your natural and thus more joyful and godlike state, all this striving for STO is harming people.

[flofrog]

Because that is the great work, to see the all prevading perfection contained within all things.

Myniatur, it feels so lovely just to read this

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Broadly speaking, I'd say Wanderers don't have to worry much about the Harvest.  Yes, it's possible for them to get so far off-track that they end up caught up in the planetary energies\incarnation cycle again, but for a variety of reasons, I honestly believe there's a fairly low probability of that happening.  

After all, Hitler ended up going back 'home' and undergoing healing, rather than getting thrown back on the wheel.  Not to mention, if the statistics Ra quoted in 36.24 are still accurate, less than ten percent of Wanderers actually come into full self-actualization, with the vast majority simply spending their lives feeling like misfits without seeing through the 'illusion' of physicality. It's hard to imagine why anyone would go Wandering if they seriously had a 9-in-10 chance of getting stuck back in the reincarnation loop!

The Harvest on Earth itself is for 3D entities who may be ready to advance to 4D for the first time.  For Wanderers, Harvest-time is merely a period with huge amounts of catalyst which can speed up their own development and work towards whatever goals they're trying to accomplish.  

As for those who do end up 'swept into the maelstrom'?  My basic belief is that only happens to Wanderers who outright "devolve" during their time on Earth.  They don't merely forget the higher lessons of love\wisdom\unity they were trying to bring with them.  Rather, they end up behaving in ways so contrary to those lessons that they effectively regress into a lower form of existence by altering their energy patterns so radically that they no longer "fit in" with their home density and\or S-M-C.

And if this seems ancillary to your question, the point I'm basically making is this:  Don't stress the Harvest.  Worrying about whether you're "saved" is just going to increase negative feedback loops in your psyche.  That, in turn, makes it far harder to embrace love and joy.  If you're here, and awakened enough to think you're probably a Wanderer, you're almost certainly also awake enough not to get swept up.

(So there's something to be happy about right there! )

I worry that if I don't heal from my issues regarding the friendship breakup, I'll have to reincarnate just to learn whatever I have to learn to heal.

I should also note as a side thing that Ra didn't say Hitler was healed instead of reincarnation. He said Hitler had to undergo healing rather than harvest. Hutler didn't go "back home" anywhere.

[Infinite]

I always like think on the aspect of energy centers. What's a harvesteable entity in terms of energy? It's someone who the kundalini arised to the green-ray energy center or heart chakra. When this occur, the awareness level and personality change to the unconditional love. It's the first spirtual awakening. The love for every live being is described as full of joy for the life. So, a harvesteable entity is full of joy. But, in order to open the heart and become harvesteable , the three lower centers must be clean and balanced.

A non-identification with the life or depression is a blockage in the first center, the root of the experience. If this center is blocked (generally because the entity seek the higher levels and ignore the physical experience) there is no identification with the world. The world must not be ignored, it must be understood.

[flofrog]

I always like think on the aspect of energy centers. What's a harvesteable entity in terms of energy? It's someone who the kundalini arised to the green-ray energy center or heart chakra. When this occur, the awareness level and personality change to the unconditional love. It's the first spirtual awakening. The love for every live being is described as full of joy for the life. So, a harvesteable entity is full of joy. But, in order to open the heart and become harvesteable , the three lower centers must be clean and balanced.

A non-identification with the life or depression is a blockage in the first center, the root of the experience. If this center is blocked (generally because the entity seek the higher levels and ignore the physical experience) there is no identification with the world. The world must not be ignored, it must be understood.

So funny, Infinite, this is so in line with something that once, years ago, an old psychiatrist told me. We were talking about depression, and he said to me, " You know flo, in most cases I met, in my life with my patients, I have noticed this. If they have a peculiar choice to make, an action to take, as long as they wait, as long as they doubt they are able to enter into action, they stay in depression. The day they make the choice, and enter into an action, the depression lifts off like a fog . Of course they will meet obstacles, but so clearly the moment they commit to that decision, the change is quite amazing."

Of course he did say, not in all cases. But still that was so interesting. Tough to be a human.

[AnthroHeart]

Tough to be a human.

It would be tougher if every thought you had manifested immediately like in higher densities.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I always like think on the aspect of energy centers. What's a harvesteable entity in terms of energy? It's someone who the kundalini arised to the green-ray energy center or heart chakra. When this occur, the awareness level and personality change to the unconditional love. It's the first spirtual awakening. The love for every live being is described as full of joy for the life. So, a harvesteable entity is full of joy. But, in order to open the heart and become harvesteable , the three lower centers must be clean and balanced.

A non-identification with the life or depression is a blockage in the first center, the root of the experience. If this center is blocked (generally because the entity seek the higher levels and ignore the physical experience) there is no identification with the world. The world must not be ignored, it must be understood.

So funny, Infinite,  this is so in line with something that once, years ago,  an old psychiatrist told me.  We were talking about depression, and he said to me,  " You know  flo,  in most cases I met, in my life with my patients, I have noticed this.  If they have a peculiar choice to make, an action to take,  as long as they wait, as long as they doubt they are able to enter into action, they stay in depression. The day they make the choice, and enter into an action,  the depression lifts off like a fog . Of course they will meet obstacles, but so clearly the  moment they commit to that decision, the  change is quite amazing."

Of course he did say, not in all cases.  But still that was so interesting.  Tough to be a human.

Thanks for writing this flo. I really appreciate it. Agua told me I have to "choose to live" in order to continue my healing... I've been struggling to fully commit to that choice every day, instead either beating myself up for past failures and painful experiences or ignoring the pain via distraction or literal sleep. It's hard to commit to living my life. And I feel like such a self centered a****** and shitty friend too. God, healing only gets harder the more I mess up, and the more un-heal I am, the more I mess up. And then it's like I become more un-heal. It's like a vicous cycle of pain and regret. I guess I've just gotta commit myself to living better, I dunno. But I know I've got to break the cycle.
So thanks dor posting that. It helps.

[AnthroHeart]

I always like think on the aspect of energy centers. What's a harvesteable entity in terms of energy? It's someone who the kundalini arised to the green-ray energy center or heart chakra. When this occur, the awareness level and personality change to the unconditional love. It's the first spirtual awakening. The love for every live being is described as full of joy for the life. So, a harvesteable entity is full of joy. But, in order to open the heart and become harvesteable , the three lower centers must be clean and balanced.

A non-identification with the life or depression is a blockage in the first center, the root of the experience. If this center is blocked (generally because the entity seek the higher levels and ignore the physical experience) there is no identification with the world. The world must not be ignored, it must be understood.

So funny, Infinite,  this is so in line with something that once, years ago,  an old psychiatrist told me.  We were talking about depression, and he said to me,  " You know  flo,  in most cases I met, in my life with my patients, I have noticed this.  If they have a peculiar choice to make, an action to take,  as long as they wait, as long as they doubt they are able to enter into action, they stay in depression. The day they make the choice, and enter into an action,  the depression lifts off like a fog . Of course they will meet obstacles, but so clearly the  moment they commit to that decision, the  change is quite amazing."

Of course he did say, not in all cases.  But still that was so interesting.  Tough to be a human.

Thanks for writing this flo. I really appreciate it. Agua told me I have to "choose to live" in order to continue my healing... I've been struggling to fully commit to that choice every day, instead either beating myself up for past failures and painful experiences or ignoring the pain via distraction or literal sleep. It's hard to commit to living my life. And I feel like such a self centered a****** and shitty friend too. God, healing only gets harder the more I mess up, and the more un-heal I am, the more I mess up. And then it's like I become more un-heal. It's like a vicous cycle of pain and regret. I guess I've just gotta commit myself to living better, I dunno. But I know I've got to break the cycle.
So thanks dor posting that. It helps.

You got a healing from someone I recommended, so it may have stirred up some subconscious stuff. When we heal, it can do that, and be fairly unpleasant. Healing is not always rainbows.

[Infinite]

That which tends to block red ray is a level of depression that argues against life and the joy of life, and difficulties with sexuality. Because of the fact that the red ray deals with matters of survival and sexuality, those who are limping along with no true appreciation of life are going to be limiting the flow of energy into their very first chakra and therefore receiving into the heart only a fraction of the power or the energy that is available from the Creator.

Source: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1124.aspx

What is not usually understood about red ray is that it is not only the ray of sexuality but also the ray of survival. It is the ray in which you must say either “yes” or “no” to life itself. Many are those whose feelings of depression and unhappiness, for various reasons, has begun to shut down or at least narrow that red ray. Somehow, sharing these woes with another whose ears are open to listen begins to get the red ray open again; begins to make life seem good again. The colors brighten, energies lift, and the conversation goes on.

Source: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0510.aspx

[flofrog]

I always like think on the aspect of energy centers. What's a harvesteable entity in terms of energy? It's someone who the kundalini arised to the green-ray energy center or heart chakra. When this occur, the awareness level and personality change to the unconditional love. It's the first spirtual awakening. The love for every live being is described as full of joy for the life. So, a harvesteable entity is full of joy. But, in order to open the heart and become harvesteable , the three lower centers must be clean and balanced.

A non-identification with the life or depression is a blockage in the first center, the root of the experience. If this center is blocked (generally because the entity seek the higher levels and ignore the physical experience) there is no identification with the world. The world must not be ignored, it must be understood.

So funny, Infinite,  this is so in line with something that once, years ago,  an old psychiatrist told me.  We were talking about depression, and he said to me,  " You know  flo,  in most cases I met, in my life with my patients, I have noticed this.  If they have a peculiar choice to make, an action to take,  as long as they wait, as long as they doubt they are able to enter into action, they stay in depression. The day they make the choice, and enter into an action,  the depression lifts off like a fog . Of course they will meet obstacles, but so clearly the  moment they commit to that decision, the  change is quite amazing."

Of course he did say, not in all cases.  But still that was so interesting.  Tough to be a human.

Thanks for writing this flo. I really appreciate it. Agua told me I have to "choose to live" in order to continue my healing... I've been struggling to fully commit to that choice every day, instead either beating myself up for past failures and painful experiences or ignoring the pain via distraction or literal sleep. It's hard to commit to living my life. And I feel like such a self centered a****** and shitty friend too. God, healing only gets harder the more I mess up, and the more un-heal I am, the more I mess up. And then it's like I become more un-heal. It's like a vicous cycle of pain and regret. I guess I've just gotta commit myself to living better, I dunno. But I know I've got to break the cycle.
So thanks dor posting that. It helps.

It Is so funny EP, I see you as charming, and all fighting a d courageous and never giving up... Just forget, what was past, probably much better than what you judge, any morning is totally new, just for you !!

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Thanks for writing this flo. I really appreciate it. Agua told me I have to "choose to live" in order to continue my healing... I've been struggling to fully commit to that choice every day, instead either beating myself up for past failures and painful experiences or ignoring the pain via distraction or literal sleep. It's hard to commit to living my life. And I feel like such a self centered a****** and shitty friend too. God, healing only gets harder the more I mess up, and the more un-heal I am, the more I mess up. And then it's like I become more un-heal. It's like a vicous cycle of pain and regret. I guess I've just gotta commit myself to living better, I dunno. But I know I've got to break the cycle.
So thanks dor posting that. It helps.

It Is so funny EP, I see you as charming, and all fighting a d courageous and never giving up...  Just forget, what was past, probably much better than what you judge,  any morning is totally new, just for you  !!

Thanks flo, but I haven't mistreated you in any way. I've mistreated my ex-friend and I've been too selfish to be called a friend to Agua. I still have some majour growing to do. I think it's something to do with the sense of worthlessness and powerlessness I feel. Agua says I'm under illusions about myself created by past trauma. Trauma that has me feeling on the unconcsious level that I NEED connection to others to stay alive. I dunno if that's true or not. What I do know is that I've let myself become self absorbed and demanding of others and that I look at myself and see someone who is desperately needy and whose needy behaviour results in self absorption and demandingness. So I'm trying to learn to be kinder to others and I guess the way to do that is to have a better relationship with myself. To heal myself.

Thanks for calling me courageous and such. I hope I can live up to that. I wish my ex-friend saw me that way. I wish I saw myself in a better light. All I can do if I want the suffering to stop without suicide is work towards changing myself. I'm working to heal and grow into the man I've always wanted to be: confident, socially and romantically successful, and good at guitar. But before I can summon the internal power for change necessary to do all that I must heal myself. It all feels like it's going at a snail's pace and I've been admonished for looking/hoping for quick fixes. So this process is going to take a long while. And I mean decades. I may not like how I've been in the past but you're right about every morning being new. Next time I talk to Agua I'm going to try to treat him better. I'm out of chances with my ex-friend. Without that external validation, it's going to be even harder. But I've got to find a way to improve my situation and heal myself. I appreciate that you think well of me for not giving up on this. I suppose I should take pride in getting up like this after slamming so hard against rock bottom so many times. So thanks for the encouragement. I just hope I make progress and don't stay where I don't want to be. It definitely feels like an uphill battle. Sometimes though, it feels more like Sisyphus pushing his rock up that hill, only to have it always roll back down again. I hope I'm not Sisyphus. I really want to get over that hill victoriously. But it feels like I have to change SO MUCH...

I've got to treat others better, become independent, make enough to travel and live comfortably,develop a good spiritual practice and make steady habits out of it, drastically improve my social and romantic life, heal myself, unblock all 3 of my lower chakras, become more confident, kill my neediness, learn to play guitar, live productively, get a career I like, get over the friendship breakup, etc.

Those are what I would need to do to get over that hill victoriously, and so far, they all seem to be a LOOONG way off. And every day feels like an immense challenge just to make a miniscule amount of progress.

Then, when I get over that hill, however long it takes, I can focus on opening my green chakra and being more servicable to others. That seems like an even longer way off.

So anyway, thanks for posting that post you posted, about depressed people neesing to make a choice. It helps me feel like I've got more resolve. And I really NEED resolve right now.

So thank you

[flofrog]

you are so welcome EP. Like you I have hurt people, some I loved, some I didn't, and then you think and re-think about it. But you know it's not doing anything positive in the end. That we do feel awful for some long seconds, atone or not to the hurt one, and feel, well I never shall do that again, yes that is fair and useful and you can build on it. But thinking and re-thinking about something we bitterly regret, doesn't add in the end. The decision to not do so again does. And yes we might fall once again but in the end we learn not to.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Yeah, well, thanks flo. I appreciate it.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know if sexual abuse is worse than physical abuse. When I was a kid, I was sexual with other kids who were younger than I was. I didn't realize how bad it was.
But I've never punched anyone or hurt anyone physically.
I've raised my voice to my dad after he yelled at me, and then I apologized and gave him a hug.

I don't think there's anyone I haven't forgiven.

EP, have you forgiven your ex-friend? Or do you just worry that they won't forgive you? It may be hard to forgive yourself, but it is good to try.
I have forgiven myself for those I have hurt, even if it wasn't physical.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I don't know if sexual abuse is worse than physical abuse. When I was a kid, I was sexual with other kids who were younger than I was. I didn't realize how bad it was.
But I've never punched anyone or hurt anyone physically.
I've raised my voice to my dad after he yelled at me, and then I apologized and gave him a hug.

I don't think there's anyone I haven't forgiven.

EP, have you forgiven your ex-friend? Or do you just worry that they won't forgive you? It may be hard to forgive yourself, but it is good to try.
I have forgiven myself for those I have hurt, even if it wasn't physical.

I've forgiven my ex-friend for hurtful things she's said and done, although the sense of hurt remains. I have a hard time forgiving myself because she refuses to forgive me. I wish I wasn't defined by mistakes I can't change. I wish I could redefine myself to her. I've always wished that. But the chanced is gone now and never coming back. And all the hurtful things she said and did she feels are justified, which just hurts even more. Every time I think about her, I suffer immense pain. But I can't pretend it's not an issue. It's hard to move on under these conditions and it's hard to redefine myself.

[flofrog]

You are not defined by your mistakes EP, you are defined by all of your soul. Would your friend perhaps have to learn compassion ?

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know if sexual abuse is worse than physical abuse. When I was a kid, I was sexual with other kids who were younger than I was. I didn't realize how bad it was.
But I've never punched anyone or hurt anyone physically.
I've raised my voice to my dad after he yelled at me, and then I apologized and gave him a hug.

I don't think there's anyone I haven't forgiven.

EP, have you forgiven your ex-friend? Or do you just worry that they won't forgive you? It may be hard to forgive yourself, but it is good to try.
I have forgiven myself for those I have hurt, even if it wasn't physical.

I've forgiven my ex-friend for hurtful things she's said and done, although the sense of hurt remains. I have a hard time forgiving myself because she refuses to forgive me. I wish I wasn't defined by mistakes I can't change. I wish I could redefine myself to her. I've always wished that. But the chanced is gone now and never coming back. And all the hurtful things she said and did she feels are justified, which just hurts even more. Every time I think about her, I suffer immense pain. But I can't pretend it's not an issue. It's hard to move on under these conditions and it's hard to redefine myself.

Did that psychic person I referred you to who channels the Goddess have any helpful advice about your friend?

[EvolvingPhoenix]

They just cleared my chakras. I don't notice any difference, but maybe there is one.