ATS Hidden Hand Dialogue, Did you read it before the Ra Material?

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

For those of you aware of the Above Top Secret forums Hidden Hand Dialogue, it was for me the introduction to the Law of One and in a sense, the preface to the Ra Material that in a way solidified it's system in my mind as rational and relating to things I was greatly bothered by regards conspiracies and such.

One day here I am reading facebook, and I'm into all these conspiracies, some not even conspiracies and it all bothers the crap out of me, and so here I am suddenly looking at a post about someone's view of reality.  Someone comments along the line, 'You're ignorant, here's the truth' and posts a link to this dialogue by someone called Hidden Hand.  Had I never clicked on that person's picture and seen someone else's comment, I would never have found that link, never would have discovered the Law of One.

So, that's my...Hopefully acceptably short post for once heh.

Speaking of discovered... Which did you discover first, the Hidden Hand Dialogue, or the Ra Material?

Do you feel they correspond well to each other, or do you think mixing the two is a possibly unwise idea?

[Nía]

Similar here, my (guided) study of entities and groups on the STS path led me to Hidden Hand, which led me to Ra...

My feeling would be to stick with Ra.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Heh, honestly I somewhat gain a bit of peace of mind when reading the Hidden Hand Dialogue.  The commentary regards Lucifer as being similar to Ra, knowing full well they would be choosing a specific polarity then having to work off the karma that polarity would incur on them to once again have a positive harvest in a 4D negative planet.

Sort of sounds fair to me.  Make life hellish on a 3D planet, live in a hellish 4D planet trying to once again positively harvest.

Among other commentary regards interpretations of the Ra Material's concepts...

But overall I think I'll stick to the positive path of those choices, even if I'm a negative entity prior to this incarnation or whatever, the kindness of others is all I ever wanted, so it seems to match with what I desire to follow the positive path...

But it makes me wonder if my views of the Ra Material might fundamentally differ in some ways with another's who never read the Hidden Hand Dialogue, so that's mostly why I ask.

[Jeremy]

Yup.

Had no interest in conspiracies, the occult, metaphysics at all.

Found the link on an off topic section of the UFC Mixed martial arts message board. Piqued my interest for some odd reason as I couldn't care less about that stuff.

Started reading the dialogue and was hooked. Gulped all the info down then was pointed to the actual Ra material after finishing.

Finished the entire online unabridged version in days. Nothing could deter me from absorbing the material. Ended up reading from 1975 to 1990 worth of channeling before burning out.

[Minyatur]

It lead me also to the Ra material.

I had started to get into the principle of gnosis and chaos magick to shortly after experience getting dumped by my ex for the third time in about 4 years. On that day I went to a friend's place and he had left over magic mushrooms which I tried for the first time and which completely cut me away from the emotions of the break up into a focus of discovery of myself and the nature of reality. Few days after I stumbled across the Hidden Hand material while reading about pagan practices on a sub-reddit and then I found the Ra material.

To me the Ra material alongside the Thoth tablets contained all the keys I needed to seek myself and the Creator. I never found a need to go back researching what I was researching prior to this material nor did I find a need to read other materials.

To me it was all a fast pace of blocks fitting in one another leading me where I needed to be lead and afterwards I shared this material with the same friend and we began multiple explorations of ourselves with psychedelics and without which lead us to find our Higher Selves within. I think once you do this unveiling of yourself to be bathed in truth greater than this life and world, perceiving your own infinity and near-infinite awareness of love and light, you lose the need of finding keys and it becomes a matter of the ego resisting aligning itself with it's greater truth. Yesterday I asked this friend if he could doubt what he found within himself and he said a definite no, but that then comes the work of how to share truth with others.

Hidden Hand resonated as a brother (like you did the first time I saw of you) which is why it played such a role, but I never went reading it a second time.

[Aion]

Very interesting. I was not lead to the Ra Material through the Hidden Hand dialogue but rather it was mentioned to me in brief when I had commented on someone's post on Facebook, likely in some metaphysical manner, then someone else replied "that sounds like the Law of One" and since at the time I was engaged in a lot of seeking I looked it up and found the Ra Material and read through most of it in my first sitting, I think I got to session 66 peculiarly enough. It wasn't until later when I was on this forum that I encountered the Hidden Hand material and the many curiosities that people were engaged with regarding it at the time. There were a few who sought to tap in to this "helpful negative" element, some more sensibly than others.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Very interesting. I was not lead to the Ra Material through the Hidden Hand dialogue but rather it was mentioned to me in brief when I had commented on someone's post on Facebook, likely in some metaphysical manner, then someone else replied "that sounds like the Law of One" and since at the time I was engaged in a lot of seeking I looked it up and found the Ra Material and read through most of it in my first sitting, I think I got to session 66 peculiarly enough. It wasn't until later when I was on this forum that I encountered the Hidden Hand material and the many curiosities that people were engaged with regarding it at the time. There were a few who sought to tap in to this "helpful negative" element, some more sensibly than others.

Are you hinting that you think it might not be helpful?  That's totally acceptable to me too, you never know when a crazy good story teller with anonymity can fool an entire forum of conspiracy theorists hiding behind unprovable empirical metaphysical concepts as his crutch to being seen as an insider.

But like...You know.  I want to believe, maybe the ideas are worth a contemplation or 4 lol

[Aion]

Very interesting. I was not lead to the Ra Material through the Hidden Hand dialogue but rather it was mentioned to me in brief when I had commented on someone's post on Facebook, likely in some metaphysical manner, then someone else replied "that sounds like the Law of One" and since at the time I was engaged in a lot of seeking I looked it up and found the Ra Material and read through most of it in my first sitting, I think I got to session 66 peculiarly enough. It wasn't until later when I was on this forum that I encountered the Hidden Hand material and the many curiosities that people were engaged with regarding it at the time. There were a few who sought to tap in to this "helpful negative" element, some more sensibly than others.

Are you hinting that you think it might not be helpful?  That's totally acceptable to me too, you never know when a crazy good story teller with anonymity can fool an entire forum of conspiracy theorists hiding behind unprovable empirical metaphysical concepts as his crutch to being seen as an insider.

But like...You know.  I want to believe, maybe the ideas are worth a contemplation or 4 lol

I think people become very fascinated with the decorations on the doorway rather than walking through. Instead of moving to the heart of the philosophy it is dressed up in a way so that they feel comfortable walking through. Each must do this for themselves. Is it helpful? Sure, everything is a service. Is it effective? Maybe, it seems to have drawn many people here, maybe despite the Hidden Hand's intention, or maybe because of it? There is always the possibility that Ra and Lucifer are well aware of eachother, in fact I don't doubt it for a second.

More important than the details, to me, is the narrative. What is the relationship appearing as? Lucifer claims to be a group that seeks to control others in order to try to force them to evolve. Ra claims to be a group that seeks to accept the natural process of evolution while still aiding. All I see here are motivations, desires and inspirations.

Maybe Hidden Hand is merely a made up dialogue, that's not unrealistic, however it could very well be a perfectly genuine belief. Rather what concerns me about such an idea isn't whether or not it is true but rather that it may be believed and what people would do in accordance with that belief. That is the danger of such a philosophy, in my opinion, is that traumatization and inflicting of suffering upon others may be trivialized. In truth, I see only the Creator, and the universe is a blank slate. Each of these discussions we read is just a story told by an entity, a portion of the Creator to itself. I think if we get caught up in thinking that the relationships and stories are 'the truth' then we will end up going in circles. Easier then to simply admit the truth is the simple fact of unity, and then we can see that all other efforts are the untangling of distortion. Attempting to find the truth in the stories of entities is like taking a magnifying glass to an elephant. You won't really be able to see the elephant.

So, for me, the question is, what has been created and what are we creating?

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I think the answer to your question is 'Ourselves'.

[Aion]

cre·ate
krēˈāt
verb
bring (something) into existence.

From void we become all. The emergence of our selves is the bringing in to existence of what we are - the One Infinite Creator. All the efforts are towards this one realization, this One Thought, the One as All.

[Cainite]

I think hh is a person who has read the Law of One books and then mixed his own beliefs or ideas with what he has read and wrote the dialogues

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

It seems an incredibly possible idea. I certainly have considered it.

[Infinite]

Don't. But I believe in the H_H Dialogue (although of some distortions like Negative Harvest only until 4D). A friend from a forum (that looked like an "iluminated") said me that the Truth about Illuminati was in this dialog. Well, the informations about Lucifer are the same of a lot of ancient traditions and contemporary knowledges.

Peace, love and light.

[im_not_me]

Everyone keeps saying Earth is 4D right now. I disagree. In my opinion and guess, won't occur atleast until 2041.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Earth isn't fully 4D.  Its 3D transitioning gradually into 4D.

Full 4D won't happen until humanity as we know it is moved off Earth or changed into a 4D species (evolves into energetic beings?)