Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst

[Agua]

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[Minyatur]

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I meant I saw that there is no end to pain. Any focus you can have upon pain can only miss most of what it is, looking where you yourself need to be looking at.
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We can only hope that after this cycle is done (this entire octave).  Pain is not part of the design of the next one.
 

Well the Octaves go infinitely on and on, yet I believe everything has its own place and so I don't doubt we move through infinite rest, to then seek greater intensity of experience, to be yet again done with that and move through infinite rest again.

There's probably always only pain in an Octave because the need of it arose, probably always absent by default until it is sought to be known as an experience, because the parameters of experience are not satisfactory to what experiences and so more is sought.

If we removed the potential for pain from this world, then everyone and everything as we know them would be forced to be unlike what they are into something extremely different.

[rva_jeremy]

I would say, whenever someone reacts with rationalizing to an entity suffering, its because he or she cannot stand the same pain in him or herself.

Agreed 100%. That said, we are positively awash in these kinds of intense emotions, and it's almost certain we will avert our eyes at times. I think this is understandable, and I'm starting to understand the function of time as perhaps a way of rationing emotional intensity. The more we balance, the more pain we can witness and bear within ourselves.

[isis]

To say that the Creator is impersonal is to say that the Creator is LESS full of life than you yourself are.

But no. As below, so above. The Creator is even more personal than the personal person themself is. This is the power and nature of infinity. This is how we know that we emanated from The Creator, not vice versa.

The Creator is "extra" never "less"

My wife just told me she's in active labour. And I'm starting a new job next week. See you all again next time the Creator swings me around this way! <3 <3 <3

CONGRATS YOSSARIAN!!!!!!! :)

[yossarian]

There's many times I've reached very high states of mind in this life. In these states, it was not detachment that I felt in regard to the suffering contained in this world, more like crystalline awe and wonder at how they come to be and pass away also. I felt a certain madness at how deeply beautiful everything is, like my being here could not contain it. It is not detachment, because much more than you could will to look away you instead look deeper and deeper, radiating brighter in your polarized feedback rooted in the love of acceptance. This is because I could not just see things as I would normally see them as with a veil of confusion, and instead would see them within their actual context of existence. I think this is more the time/space view, where you are able to see any moment within the context of itself, how it was lead there and to where it goes, what hidden purpose and need there is to it. These were states where contemplating the most horrible of humans would only emulate a radiant love in myself, because that was just how beautiful these souls are when gazed upon by a sight of clarity that is not blinded by emotions of separation nor confusion.There is also a deep sovereignty to each entity, they are crowned beings, each with pure infinite deepness to what they are in every moment.

Epic flofrog!

Crystalline awe!

These high states are not detached or impersonal, they are even more personal, in the way that Jesus makes the suffering of the world personal to him when he takes it onto his body for the sake of the world. In the way that Buddha gives up his possessions to throw every ounce he has into service.

There are other states that are detached or spaced-out, but they aren't the same, I think those states are fundamentally avoidant rather than confronting. Those states are fragile and rest on a carefully cultivated aversion of the gaze, to give some mild reprieve from the burning light of the world.

[Infinite Unity]

I have been reading LOO for a couple of months now almost daily.  It resonates with me deeply.  However I have a conflict with some of the information.  It is hard for me to integrate the idea that infinite intelligence would create a density with so much pain and suffering.  In all that I've read thus far...on number 87 as of now.  It seems the only explanation is it is a greater catalyst for evolution.  But if there are no mistakes and infinite intelligence is forever what's the hurry?  Why is hurrying the process even seen as valuable?  Is this dealt with in any of the questionings?   It just is starting to read like this is a game to "God" or perhaps God is sado/masochistic?  and I'm not finding an answer for this in any of the readings.  Can anyone help!! thanks.

In my small opinion. It's all about depth, freedom, involvement(drive). As we have learned/discovered that through unveiling The Mystery.

In my humble opinion The Mystery is of such a nature that it is a Mystery to The Creator. Love is a result of The Creator exploring The Mystery. Our purpose is wrapped up in The Mystery, Everyone of us consciously is tied to The Creator, our unconscious is tied to The Mystery. And in a sense a birthplace or origin of a never before seen 'thought/realization' that is integral to All.

[yossarian]

To say that the Creator is impersonal is to say that the Creator is LESS full of life than you yourself are.

But no. As below, so above. The Creator is even more personal than the personal person themself is. This is the power and nature of infinity. This is how we know that we emanated from The Creator, not vice versa.

The Creator is "extra" never "less"

My wife just told me she's in active labour. And I'm starting a new job next week. See you all again next time the Creator swings me around this way! <3 <3 <3

CONGRATS YOSSARIAN!!!!!!!

Thanks