The adepthood of Jesus and how he actually pulled off being saviour

[Glow]

It clicked for me today.

I always thought it was a church manipulation of Jesus's message that he would save those who asked him to be their saviour. Honestly I always thought I'm not labeled as GOD but even I would not reserve salvation for those who loved me. What kind of love is that!? Now I get it. It's magic/adepthood.

The magical formula just clicked.

He knew we were one.

He understood he could transmute otherselves Karma simply buy making the offer, it being accepted then forgiving the perpetration of whatever pain was caused. Even on the cross in reference to those who crucified him "forgive them they know not what they do."

He told them to forgive themselves and others as he forgives us. Trying to teach them to transmute their own past and future error/sin and lighten other people's karma so it wouldn't keep snow balling.

Then teaching them about heaven and an eternal place with god, asking those who accepted him to "follow him" because he prepares a place for them, he helps plant the seed about detatching from this realm and going somewhere better... heaven. Release from reincarnation in one magical formula.

It's interesting. Bold move

[anagogy]

A lot of what Jesus said makes perfect sense when you understand it from a Gnostic standpoint. It's just the crazy people that interpreted religious fairy tales as LITERAL TRUTH that make these religious icons look like total whack jobs.

Jesus understood that the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost were archetypal aspects of the Logos. When Jesus "woke up", and became enlightened, he became identified with the Christ Consciousness or the archetypal aspect known as The Son (in Kabbalistic terms: the Chochma aspect). This was like waking up in a dream and becoming Lucid. You can then perform "miracles" within the dream world because you see the dream for the illusory structure that it is (this happened to Buddha as well and other masters throughout history). You understand that everything you see in the dream is a projection of the Self. The Christ Consciousness "suffered for the sins of humanity" because it *became* all of humanity, and the only way for it to return to God, the Father, is to follow the lightening path of creation back up the tree of life which necessarily involves passing through the Chochma/Christ/Son aspect to return to the Absolute (Kether).

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

"If any of you wants to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross, and follow me"

How does one take up their cross?

By following the archetypal gateways that make up the cross on the Tree of Life. You have to sacrifice your little self for the Big Self. You have to utterly sacrifice the ego (selfishness/physicality) upon the alter of God (become pure spiritual radiance). The price for the infinite is the finite. You have to become the Christ, the Sonship, the totality of spiritual consciousness en-mired in the illusion, and metaphorically "die upon the cross", and in return for the sacrifice, you are then resurrected in a perfected state, ONE with the Father in heaven, as a god. 

[Stranger]

That is very nicely put, anagogy. Completely in line with my understanding!

[Night Owl]

He used a very very painful path to return to kether though. Poor guy, his last day really sucked. Hopefully it is possible to give up the little self without getting crucified and thrown rocks and hate publicly.

[Stranger]

He used a very very painful path to return to kether though. Poor guy, his last day really sucked. Hopefully it is possible to give up the little self without getting crucified and thrown rocks and hate publicly.

He clearly wanted to show by example what living in unconditional love and understanding of Oneness of all looked like in human form.  He was setting an example, saying, "look, here's what's possible!"

I see his manner of leaving incarnation as part of that example.  He seemed to be saying: "Death isn't that important, even pain.  There is something beyond that matters far, far more than this.  It's worth this price."  

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

[anagogy]

He used a very very painful path to return to kether though. Poor guy, his last day really sucked. Hopefully it is possible to give up the little self without getting crucified and thrown rocks and hate publicly.

Well you can look at that in a variety of ways.

I want to be clear about one thing (and this applies to all masters that have walked the Earth): as Ra said, the perfect configuration of unity of the mind/body/spirit in 3rd density is EXTREMELY rare. That is to say, do I think Jesus was completely outside of the illusion and the vagaries of its harsh and cruel catalyst?

Simply put, no.

But I think he partook relatively purely of the waters of radiant unity. You don't achieve that level of spiritual stardom without some degree of such occurring.

The archetypal sephira on the Tree of Life are much like the "subdensity" concept. Dwelling in the Chochma of 3rd density is akin to dwelling in the violet ray subdensity of yellow ray (it is dwelling in the Buddhic body). It is violet ray as seen through the lens of 3rd density. It is not necessarily equivalent to the Chochma of the of the Logoic octave, though it is certainly related. It is of the same family of spiritual expression, just a more narrow archetypal refinement of such.

"Secondly, if any entity is able to dwell completely in unity the only harm that may occur to it is the changing of the outward physical, yellow-ray vehicle into the more light-filled mind/body/spirit complex’s vehicle by the process of death. All other suffering and pain is as nothing to one such as this."

[AnthroHeart]

Since the age of Pieces is ending, and a new age is beginning (Aquarius), does this mean that the old rules don't apply any longer?
That it is much easier now to achieve unity than it was then?

[rva_jeremy]

That is to say, do I think Jesus was completely outside of the illusion and the vagaries of its harsh and cruel catalyst?

Simply put, no.

Makes it all the more poignant, doesn't it? After all, he wasn't beyond at least a modicum of despair even in his last moments, crying out "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

[anagogy]

Since the age of Pieces is ending, and a new age is beginning (Aquarius), does this mean that the old rules don't apply any longer?
That it is much easier now to achieve unity than it was then?

Correct. The transition to the "age of aquarius" is simply what we, as students of the Ra material, know as "the harvest". It is simply the gradual total activation of green ray true color. Gradually the parameters of the new density will define the boundaries of our reality. But of course this will take a couple hundred years. It doesn't make unity any more profound, really, it just means there is less illusory blocks to experiencing unity. Unity can be found in any density however. But when something is easier to achieve, you are then free to experience it in more finessed ways. As an analogy, if you have one arm tied beyond your back, you could probably still play basketball and score a point, but with access to 2 arms, the process of doing so becomes easier, and you are more likely to make a point in more creative and finessed ways. But a point is still a point at the end of the day. Unity is unity, but the way you access it becomes more creative.

The Age of Pisces will remain so for approximately another 600 years according to most astrologers. At that time, the vernal equinox point will have moved into the constellation of Aquarius, thus beginning the Age of Aquarius. Contrast that to Ra saying the transition would take between 100-700 years. That lines up quite nicely.

Age of Aquarius.

[loostudent]

A lot of what Jesus said makes perfect sense when you understand it from a Gnostic standpoint.

I seriously doubt the authenticity of gnostic interpretation of Jesus.

1. Gnostic christian writings are later interpretations, dependant on earlier synoptic gospels.

2. Gnostic systems despise material world and body. This opposes also the Ra material.

[DungBeetle]

He used a very very painful path to return to kether though. Poor guy, his last day really sucked. Hopefully it is possible to give up the little self without getting crucified and thrown rocks and hate publicly.

He clearly wanted to show by example what living in unconditional love and understanding of Oneness of all looked like in human form.  He was setting an example, saying, "look, here's what's possible!"

I see his manner of leaving incarnation as part of that example.  He seemed to be saying: "Death isn't that important, even pain.  There is something beyond that matters far, far more than this.  It's worth this price."  

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

Sucks to be me then! Seems the better off people are in this life, the more they are rewarded. The more things are hard for other people, the more they are punished in the end. What a lovely "savior" It sounds like the rich and powerful "lose" this life and go on to better things. The ones suffering get to keep suffering "forever"
I thought all he says is "believe" in him.. Now that is not good enough? Whatever happened to repeating 3rd? That statement quoted above seems to contradict that.

Am I interpreting that quote wrong?
Those who care nothing for their life (pain/suffering) in this world will keep "it" (pain and suffering) for eternity?

[AnthroHeart]

He used a very very painful path to return to kether though. Poor guy, his last day really sucked. Hopefully it is possible to give up the little self without getting crucified and thrown rocks and hate publicly.

He clearly wanted to show by example what living in unconditional love and understanding of Oneness of all looked like in human form.  He was setting an example, saying, "look, here's what's possible!"

I see his manner of leaving incarnation as part of that example.  He seemed to be saying: "Death isn't that important, even pain.  There is something beyond that matters far, far more than this.  It's worth this price."  

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

Sucks to be me then! Seems the better off people are in this life, the more they are rewarded. The more things are hard for other people, the more they are punished in the end. What a lovely "savior" It sounds like the rich and powerful "lose" this life and go on to better things. The ones suffering get to keep suffering "forever"
I thought all he says is "believe" in him.. Now that is not good enough? Whatever happened to repeating 3rd? That statement quoted above seems to contradict that.

Am I interpreting that quote wrong?
Those who care nothing for their life (pain/suffering) in this world will keep "it" (pain and suffering) for eternity?

I think that's a case of the ego being a strawman. Like thinking about worst case scenario.
If I get something like a cough, I am told by another that I probably have cancer.

Nothing is kept for eternity, except perhaps experience. But you don't keep reliving each moment. You add that to your library of experience, another book of millions in your repertoire.

It makes me think of not holding onto expectations of what might be. The Universe is very convoluted and strange. Things are our level might not make sense.

That statement you made about keeping pain and suffering for eternity sounds like a paradox that is solved in higher density.

[Stranger]

"Those who love their life in this world will lose it. Those who care nothing for their life in this world will keep it for eternity."

Sucks to be me then! Seems the better off people are in this life, the more they are rewarded. The more things are hard for other people, the more they are punished in the end. What a lovely "savior" It sounds like the rich and powerful "lose" this life and go on to better things. The ones suffering get to keep suffering "forever"
I thought all he says is "believe" in him.. Now that is not good enough? Whatever happened to repeating 3rd? That statement quoted above seems to contradict that.

Am I interpreting that quote wrong?
Those who care nothing for their life (pain/suffering) in this world will keep "it" (pain and suffering) for eternity?

I think you are interpreting it not in the intended way. Other translations have "will have life eternal" instead of "will keep it for eternity". Eternal life in this context is meant as a Good Thing.

The overall point is that life is a tool, a task intended for a greater purpose - i.e., making the choice to be STO or STS; helping others, bringing love into the world. Those who get too attached to the material and ephemeral aspects of life are focusing on the unimportant and missing the important. At life's inevitable end, they will lose all the things they placed so much importance upon. In contrast, those who value the transcendental in life (that which transcends the material) will get to keep it for eternity, because they have used life correctly - as a crucible in which to transform their spiritual selves into a more harmonious and happier configuration, which they get to keep and enjoy beyond the end of this life.

[flofrog]

It is so interesting how some Hindi searchers actually felt that Jesus was similar to their adepts. Really interesting to see how Paramahansa Yogananda talks about him. Clearly those so called hidden years were probably spent in India.

[Highrculling]

Honestly I always thought I'm not labeled as GOD but even I would not reserve salvation for those who loved me. What kind of love is that!? Now I get it. It's magic/adepthood.

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

lol for some time now I always thought that was a lill' bit egotistic, too, even for someone who's actually the personification of the Christ Counsciousness. What anagogy said makes a lot of sense.

Quoting Seth now:

quote/Now your own physical image is the materialization of your idea of yourself within the properties of matter. Without the idea of yourself, your physical image would not be; yet often it is all you are aware of. The initial power and energy of that idea of yourself keeps your image alive. Ideas, then, are far more important than you realize. If you will try to accept the idea that your own existence is multidimensional, that you dwell within the medium of infinite probabilities, then you may catch a slight glimpse of the reality that is behind the word "god," and you may understand why it is almost impossible to capture a true understanding of that concept in words.

God, therefore, is first of all a creator, not of one physical universe but of an infinite variety of probable existences, far more vast than those aspects of the physical universe with which your scientists are familiar. He did not simply then send a son to live and die on one small planet. He is a wart of all probabilities.

There have been parables told, and stories of beginnings. All of these have been attempts to transmit knowledge in as simple terms as possible. Often answers were given to questions that literally have no meaning outside of your own system of reality.

For example: There was no beginning, and there will be no end, yet parables have been given telling you of beginnings and endings simply because with your distorted ideas of time, beginnings and endings seem to be inseparable, valid events. As you learn to turn the focus of your attention away from physical reality and therefore experience some slight evidence of other realities, your consciousness will cling to old ideas that make true explanations impossible for you to understand. Multidimensional awareness is available to you in your dreams, however, in some trance states, and often even beneath ordinary consciousness as you go about your day.

This awareness gives personal experience with the multidimensional richness that exists not apart from but intermingled with, within, through, and all about your physical world of sense. To say that physical life is not real is to deny that reality pervades all appearance, and is a wart of all appearance. In the same manner, God does not exist apart from or separate from physical reality, but exists within it and as a wart of it, as he exists within and as a wart of all other systems of existence.

Your Christ figure represents, symbolically, your idea of God and his relationships. There were three separate individuals whose history blended, and they became known collectively as Christ – hence many discrepancies in your records. These were all males because at that one of your development, you would not have accepted a female counterpart.

These individuals were a wart of one entity. You could not but imagine God as a father. It would never have occurred to you to imagine a god in any other than human terms. Earth components. These three figures worked out a drama, highly symbolic, propelled by concentrated energy of great force.

The events as they are recorded, however, did not occur in history. The crucifixion of Christ was a psychic, but not a physical event. Ideas of almost unimaginable magnitude were played out.

Judas, for example, was not a man in your terms. He was - like all the other disciples - a blessed, created "fragment personality," formed by the Christ personality. He represented the self-betrayer. He dramatized a portion of each individual's personality that focuses upon physical reality in a grasping manner, and denies the inner self out of greed.

Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality - the inner self - and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self.

The disciples, therefore, were given physical reality by the inner self, as all of your earthly characteristics come out of your inner nature. This was a living parable, made flesh among you - a cosmic play worked out for your behalf, couched in terms that you could understand.

The lessons were made plain, as all the ideas behind them were personified. If you will forgive the term, this was like a local morality play, put on in your corner of the universe. This does not mean it was less real than you previously supposed. In fact, the implications of what is said here should clearly hint at the more powerful aspects of godhood.

The three Christ personalities were born upon your planet, and indeed became flesh among you. None of these was crucified. The twelve disciples were materializations from the energies of these three personalities - their combined energies. They were then fully endowed with individuality, however, but their main task was to clearly manifest within themselves certain abilities inherent within all men.

The same kinds of dramas in different ways have been given, and while the drama is always different, it is always the same. This does not mean that a Christ has appeared within each system of reality. It means that the idea of God has manifested within each system in a way that is comprehensible to the inhabitants.

This drama continues to exist. It does not belong, for example, to your past. Only you have placed it there. This does not mean that it always reoccurs. The drama, then, was far from meaningless, and the spirit of Christ, in your terms, is legitimate. It is the probable God-drama that you choose to perceive. There were others that were perceived, but not by you, and there are other such dramas existing now.

Whether or not the Crucifixion occurred physically, it was a psychic event, and exists as do all the other events connected with the drama.

Many were physical but some were not. The psychic event affected your world quite as much as the physical one, as is obvious. The whole drama occurred as a result of mankind's need. It was created as a result of that need, grew out of it, but it did not originate within your system of reality. /Unquote

He did state earlier that quote/All actions are initially mental acts./unquote so I see they're just as valid.

Continue quoting:

quote/The third personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming". Now these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining. /unquote

He later mentioned more of the third personality and the continuity of consciousness becoming apparent and what not. It's a lot to process. I do however very much enjoy his "apples and oranges" format of communication(using comparisons) and the new perspective.