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    The_Tired_Philosopher (Offline)

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    #61
    10-12-2015, 04:51 AM
    Ah.  This thread.

    I get to look back.

    My understanding (Van's) hasn't changed much beyond reconciliation.  Each path is the other.  Energetically there are differences, but they lead to the same thing, are the same thing.

    There is no right or left beyond each is as is AS WELL AS the same.  All things are the same.

    How? Why?  What??

    No idea.  I don't understand THE Law of One.  I do not understand it at all...  I comprehend the Where, the When.  But not the What, Why, Who/m, How.

    I just don't know anything.  And its frustrating.  There is no sense or point understandable to 3D past subjective reasons.  It leaves me without an alternative sadly.  

    Maybe I should be a Spiritual Nihilist.

    I still believe that STA (service to all) is the ONLY path available.  Either way you go, you serve others whether negatively or positively its all catalyst and service.

    Just an aspect.

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    #62
    10-12-2015, 11:02 AM
    I think *accepting* that you don't know anything and letting go of the frustration of ignorance is an important step.

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    10-12-2015, 11:27 AM
    And now I will comment on the thread since I didn't before, and it's an interesting subject I've been thinking about recently.

    Ra teaches us the Law of One from the 6th density, the density that resolves paradoxes. For those of us who are Wanderers/have a relationship with our Higher self, that 6D energy is familiar. It's home. The resolution of paradoxes makes the most sense. However, we have chosen to incarnate in 3D, the land of polarity - not to exist without paradoxes, but to explore the paradoxes, and to remove and refine the most subtle of our distortions that take us away from that unity. We did not incarnate to exist in unity. We incarnated in 3D to use polarity to do work - work in consciousness, healing, and the removal of distortions.

    Quote:19.19 Questioner: I believe we have a very, very important point here. It then seems that there is an extreme potential in this polarization the same as there is in— to make an analogy, using electricity: We have a positive and negative pole. The more you build the charge on either of these, the greater the potential difference and the greater the ability to do work, as we call it, in the physical.

    This would seem to me to be the exact analogy that we have in consciousness here. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct.

    Ra gives us the archetypes as a primary lesson. The archetypes revolve around The Choice, card 0 and 22. Many if not most of the cards show implications of each choice. You can choose to be without polarity, but you are avoiding the opportunities to do work. To work in consciousness you must make a choice, and continue along that path. I know that's not everyone here's goal, but it's important to note. For wanderers, polarity isn't about harvest. It's about the amount of pure STO light energy you are able to hold in your being to anchor onto the planet and radiate as a service to All. Unity is the end goal, and the main path, and is most efficiently reached through service to others. I'm not denying that existing in unity is a service to others, but real work in 3D comes through utilizing polarity.

    Quote:20.9 Questioner: Thank you. Yesterday we were speaking of the split that takes place in third density when an entity either consciously or because of bias chooses the path of service to others or service to self. The philosophical question of why such a split even exists came up. It is my impression that as it is in electricity, if we have no polarity in electricity we have no electricity; we have no action, we have no…. Therefore, I am assuming that in consciousness without such polarity there would be no action or experience. Is this correct?

    Ra: This is correct. You may use the general term “work.”

    20.10 Questioner: Then the concept of service to self or service to others is mandatory if we wish to have work, whether it be work in consciousness or work in the mechanical or Newtonian concept in the physical. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct with one addendum. The coil, as you may understand this term, is wound, is potential, is ready. The thing that is missing without polarizing is the charge.

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    #64
    10-12-2015, 04:31 PM
    I always wondered why Ra said we have to consciously realize we do not understand in order to be harvestable. Is it because of pride that would come if you said you understood? Does pride factor in?

    Or is there something more metaphysical saying we do not understand?

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    10-12-2015, 04:36 PM
    I wonder when we walk the steps of light, if we graduate back to 6D, how long it takes to actually incarnate in 6D. Is it a pretty fast process?

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    10-12-2015, 05:31 PM
    (10-12-2015, 04:31 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I always wondered why Ra said we have to consciously realize we do not understand in order to be harvestable. Is it because of pride that would come if you said you understood? Does pride factor in?

    Or is there something more metaphysical saying we do not understand?

    My stab at an answer: understanding is not possible in 3D because of the veil; Ra says as much.  Therefore if you think you understand, you are really still asleep and buying into the mythology within the dream (e.g., scientific explanation of reality, where matter is all that exists).

    To awaken means to transcend this - to give up the familiar but wrong explanations, and to realize that we know very little of what reality truly looks like without the funny 3D goggles.

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    10-12-2015, 05:48 PM
    What about people who think they're enlightened because of a profoundly spiritual experience?
    If they think they "get it", does that mean that they aren't harvestable?
    That sounds unfair.

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    10-12-2015, 06:00 PM
    (10-12-2015, 05:48 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: What about people who think they're enlightened because of a profoundly spiritual experience?
    If they think they "get it", does that mean that they aren't harvestable?
    That sounds unfair.

    I don't think it's a litmus test, such that if you have this one thought or belief you are therefore unharvestable.  If they had an enlightenment experience, it means that at some earlier point they were searching for answers.  However, if they think they have all the answers, there may well be issues of pride and perceived superiority over others that may make them unharvestable.  

    The point is: we just don't know.

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    10-12-2015, 06:10 PM
    You are wise when you realize how much you don't know.

    I think the more you know, the more you realize what you don't know.

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    #70
    10-12-2015, 09:26 PM
    Phew! are you right there indigo. The Creator is unlimited.

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    10-12-2015, 11:49 PM
    (10-12-2015, 11:02 AM)Jade Wrote: I think *accepting* that you don't know anything and letting go of the frustration of ignorance is an important step.

    Its not ignorance that frustrates me.  Its uselessness at aiding others.

    Without understanding, if you'll accept that misnomer to this conversation's subject material, ways toexplain to people in say, layman's terms, or common day talk, how to direct another through teaching them and helping them learn, how to be happier...

    I take in misery and identify with it.  I am in a sense miserable a lot because of myself.  I wallow in it to understand it to better identify with others to try and be helpful...

    But after so long and seeing so much misery (thank you law of attraction...) I have come to believe this is more cruel than most realize.  Or maybe I'm just seeing it differently.

    When my friends hurt and I can't help, that frustrates me.  When a customer leaves unhappy and Im powerless to change it, that's makes me frustrated.

    All I know is I know nothing.  I simply believe in this stuff.

    Its still. Painted a very disturbing image in my mind.

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    #72
    10-13-2015, 12:59 AM
    TTP, how do you generate work in consciousness with Service to All? How does the One Infinite, the I, generate work in service to itself (which in defining the singular path as Service to All you essentially define the OIC as self-serving since it is the All)?

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    10-13-2015, 02:21 AM (This post was last modified: 10-13-2015, 02:29 AM by Cyclops.)
    (06-02-2015, 07:51 AM)Monica Wrote: Is it easier to grasp? Or does it just seem that way?

    Has the Tarot Fool already learned everything, or has he learned nothing? He is before even the beginning of the octave, even before the path itself. And yet he is the most evolved of all the archetypes. He comes full circle. And yet, he must still traverse the tree of life. And in so doing, he encounters polarity.

    Does the Fool really understand polarity before traversing the path? Or does he just think he does? It is easy for the Fool to say "I am the Master" and yet he is named The Fool.

    It is easy to say "I have no need to traverse the path, because I am already there" and yet one finds oneself on the path just the same.

    It is easy to say "I have no need of polarity because I am beyond all that" just as it is easy to say "I already learned all that because I am a Wanderer" but who among us really knows for sure from whence we wander, or whether we wander at all? Is it not rather sexy to assume one is a Wanderer and somehow beyond all that juvenile polarity stuff?

    Oneness is a sexier concept than polarity. Polarity is gritty and requires work. Far simpler to just float on the winds of time with no regard for anything, because, after all, it's all One and there is no right or wrong and nothing matters anyway, and besides, we're just visiting this planet and are much more highly evolved, so who wants to get their hands dirty and risk getting stuck in the muck, right?

    We needn't understand polarity at all. If anything, thinking that we understand it is likely to get in the way of polarizing. 

    Then again, so does thinking we understand Oneness, at the exclusion of polarity, when polarity is actually part of Oneness. 

    (10-12-2015, 05:31 PM)Stranger Wrote: My stab at an answer: understanding is not possible in 3D because of the veil; Ra says as much.  Therefore if you think you understand, you are really still asleep and buying into the mythology within the dream (e.g., scientific explanation of reality, where matter is all that exists).

    To awaken means to transcend this - to give up the familiar but wrong explanations, and to realize that we know very little of what reality truly looks like without the funny 3D goggles.

    I think these posts are extremely well written. They highlight how easy it is to just say "I think I get it" and leave it at that, and how it is not quite that simple.

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    10-13-2015, 04:26 AM
    (10-13-2015, 12:59 AM)Aion Wrote: TTP, how do you generate work in consciousness with Service to All? How does the One Infinite, the I, generate work in service to itself (which in defining the singular path as Service to All you essentially define the OIC as self-serving since it is the All)?

    The OIC isn't in my mind. Of polarity.  So it can't be anything but itself.

    Service to All is the same.  You are not providing the best you can provide if you are not being yourself.

    What that means to you is for you.  You've got labels/tools to make sense of yourself.  You've got distortions to utilize and use.

    Service to All doesn't generate work in Consciousness unless it properly follows the designed intelligent means of doing such in a positive or negative way as Ra describes for the Positive Path and as some describe of the negative path.

    Describe is such a bad word to use though.  To de-scribe.  The act of such is closer to the opposite occurring.  As you describe you create the potential for scribing to occur.

    Instead the best way to polarize in anyway is to not follow described things as such, but to give meaning of such to yourself and scribe for yourself from that de-scription your own scriptures on yourself that is as you most want to 'Just Be'

    IN SHORT: HOW?: Just Be You.

    Don't go way out of your way if you don't want to.  Don't fall prey to STO guilt by not saying no where you are supposed to.  Don't fall prey to STS guilt where you believe yourself a label that is not you.

    The energetic balancing Ra describes essentially helps us do that.

    Its why I say There is no other path in my mind.  All paths ARE this path.  Its not about one or another.  Its about all.

    All is what this is, there is no separation.

    There is no positive/negative that is separately positive/negative.  They can't exist without the other, they are different in subtle ways.  Nothing else.

    Its why subtlety is supposed to be explored, not macroscopic GOOD and BAD, but the subtle microscopic As and Is.

    What is as is?  Everything.  If everything is as is, everything is singular.  If everything is as is and singular, everything is indifferent.  Don't judge a book by its cover/dont judge a creation|creator by its looks.

    Just Be (and EnJoy)

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    10-13-2015, 10:19 AM
    (10-13-2015, 02:21 AM)Cyclops Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 07:51 AM)Monica Wrote: Is it easier to grasp? Or does it just seem that way?

    Has the Tarot Fool already learned everything, or has he learned nothing? He is before even the beginning of the octave, even before the path itself. And yet he is the most evolved of all the archetypes. He comes full circle. And yet, he must still traverse the tree of life. And in so doing, he encounters polarity.

    Does the Fool really understand polarity before traversing the path? Or does he just think he does? It is easy for the Fool to say "I am the Master" and yet he is named The Fool.

    It is easy to say "I have no need to traverse the path, because I am already there" and yet one finds oneself on the path just the same.

    It is easy to say "I have no need of polarity because I am beyond all that" just as it is easy to say "I already learned all that because I am a Wanderer" but who among us really knows for sure from whence we wander, or whether we wander at all? Is it not rather sexy to assume one is a Wanderer and somehow beyond all that juvenile polarity stuff?

    Oneness is a sexier concept than polarity. Polarity is gritty and requires work. Far simpler to just float on the winds of time with no regard for anything, because, after all, it's all One and there is no right or wrong and nothing matters anyway, and besides, we're just visiting this planet and are much more highly evolved, so who wants to get their hands dirty and risk getting stuck in the muck, right?

    We needn't understand polarity at all. If anything, thinking that we understand it is likely to get in the way of polarizing. 

    Then again, so does thinking we understand Oneness, at the exclusion of polarity, when polarity is actually part of Oneness. 

    (10-12-2015, 05:31 PM)Stranger Wrote: My stab at an answer: understanding is not possible in 3D because of the veil; Ra says as much.  Therefore if you think you understand, you are really still asleep and buying into the mythology within the dream (e.g., scientific explanation of reality, where matter is all that exists).

    To awaken means to transcend this - to give up the familiar but wrong explanations, and to realize that we know very little of what reality truly looks like without the funny 3D goggles.

    I think these posts are extremely well written. They highlight how easy it is to just say "I think I get it" and leave it at that, and how it is not quite that simple.

    I find myself walking the catacombs myself. The palace of mirrors. We all know nothing, and are the essence that creates everything. I believe we are all in our own personal "universe", or "reality". As we make decisions, or choices we ride the rails of potentials. Its a simultaneous game, with you jumping between each character in quantum jumps.
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    10-13-2015, 11:38 AM (This post was last modified: 10-13-2015, 11:40 AM by Aion.)
    (10-13-2015, 04:26 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:
    (10-13-2015, 12:59 AM)Aion Wrote: TTP, how do you generate work in consciousness with Service to All? How does the One Infinite, the I, generate work in service to itself (which in defining the singular path as Service to All you essentially define the OIC as self-serving since it is the All)?

    The OIC isn't in my mind. Of polarity.  So it can't be anything but itself.

    Service to All is the same.  You are not providing the best you can provide if you are not being yourself.

    What that means to you is for you.  You've got labels/tools to make sense of yourself.  You've got distortions to utilize and use.

    Service to All doesn't generate work in Consciousness unless it properly follows the designed intelligent means of doing such in a positive or negative way as Ra describes for the Positive Path and as some describe of the negative path.

    Describe is such a bad word to use though.  To de-scribe.  The act of such is closer to the opposite occurring.  As you describe you create the potential for scribing to occur.

    Instead the best way to polarize in anyway is to not follow described things as such, but to give meaning of such to yourself and scribe for yourself from that de-scription your own scriptures on yourself that is as you most want to 'Just Be'

    IN SHORT: HOW?: Just Be You.

    Don't go way out of your way if you don't want to.  Don't fall prey to STO guilt by not saying no where you are supposed to.  Don't fall prey to STS guilt where you believe yourself a label that is not you.

    The energetic balancing Ra describes essentially helps us do that.

    Its why I say There is no other path in my mind.  All paths ARE this path.  Its not about one or another.  Its about all.

    All is what this is, there is no separation.

    There is no positive/negative that is separately positive/negative.  They can't exist without the other, they are different in subtle ways.  Nothing else.

    Its why subtlety is supposed to be explored, not macroscopic GOOD and BAD, but the subtle microscopic As and Is.

    What is as is?  Everything.  If everything is as is, everything is singular.  If everything is as is and singular, everything is indifferent.  Don't judge a book by its cover/dont judge a creation|creator by its looks.

    Just Be (and EnJoy)

    Doesn't the crux of that idea rest upon the supposition that the individual is both able to be aware of the self that they are, know the self, and be able to accept that self? While I agree with what you are saying, I believe it is most applicable at the third step of balancing that Ra describes.

    Quote:74.11 Questioner: Now, what I am trying to get at is how these disciplines affect the energy centers and the power, shall I say, of the white magician. Could you, will you tell me how that works?

    Ra: I am Ra. The heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator.

    The third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves. In relation to the pursuit of the magical working the continuing discipline of the personality involves the adept in knowing itself, accepting itself, and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the Creator. To become the Creator is to become all that there is. There is then no personality in the sense with which the adept begins its learn/teaching. As the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystalline, more work may be done; more may be expressed from intelligent infinity.

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    10-13-2015, 02:28 PM
    Perhaps the work in consciousness to becoming the Creator is closer to a piece of artwork being unwound like a rug, once the roll starts you can't stop it perhaps, it is inevitable, regardless of being fully wound up or not.

    (10-13-2015, 10:19 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:
    (10-13-2015, 02:21 AM)Cyclops Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 07:51 AM)Monica Wrote: Is it easier to grasp? Or does it just seem that way?

    Has the Tarot Fool already learned everything, or has he learned nothing? He is before even the beginning of the octave, even before the path itself. And yet he is the most evolved of all the archetypes. He comes full circle. And yet, he must still traverse the tree of life. And in so doing, he encounters polarity.

    Does the Fool really understand polarity before traversing the path? Or does he just think he does? It is easy for the Fool to say "I am the Master" and yet he is named The Fool.

    It is easy to say "I have no need to traverse the path, because I am already there" and yet one finds oneself on the path just the same.

    It is easy to say "I have no need of polarity because I am beyond all that" just as it is easy to say "I already learned all that because I am a Wanderer" but who among us really knows for sure from whence we wander, or whether we wander at all? Is it not rather sexy to assume one is a Wanderer and somehow beyond all that juvenile polarity stuff?

    Oneness is a sexier concept than polarity. Polarity is gritty and requires work. Far simpler to just float on the winds of time with no regard for anything, because, after all, it's all One and there is no right or wrong and nothing matters anyway, and besides, we're just visiting this planet and are much more highly evolved, so who wants to get their hands dirty and risk getting stuck in the muck, right?

    We needn't understand polarity at all. If anything, thinking that we understand it is likely to get in the way of polarizing. 

    Then again, so does thinking we understand Oneness, at the exclusion of polarity, when polarity is actually part of Oneness. 

    (10-12-2015, 05:31 PM)Stranger Wrote: My stab at an answer: understanding is not possible in 3D because of the veil; Ra says as much.  Therefore if you think you understand, you are really still asleep and buying into the mythology within the dream (e.g., scientific explanation of reality, where matter is all that exists).

    To awaken means to transcend this - to give up the familiar but wrong explanations, and to realize that we know very little of what reality truly looks like without the funny 3D goggles.

    I think these posts are extremely well written. They highlight how easy it is to just say "I think I get it" and leave it at that, and how it is not quite that simple.

    I find myself walking the catacombs myself. The palace of mirrors. We all know nothing, and are the essence that creates everything. I believe we are all in our own personal "universe", or "reality". As we make decisions, or choices we ride the rails of potentials. Its a simultaneous game, with you jumping between each character in quantum jumps.

    It's nice how each reality has the Bring4th Forums to meander on Wink

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    10-14-2015, 07:42 AM
    If you can imagine Earth as seven planets, Each in a different true ray color. Then Imagine that each is a different density. Then you can see what I mean. We are simultaneously here.

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    10-24-2015, 07:47 PM (This post was last modified: 10-24-2015, 07:57 PM by Minyatur.)
    The best manner in which I can think of polarity is perceiving that there is Light which is available to us in either Light/Dark or Dark/Light polarized distortions of Light. The duality explored is that One among Itself can either be infinitely selfish or infinitely benevolent. Yet in a way, to be benevolent is also a way to be selfish just as that to be selfish is a way to be benevolent. This being very easily perceivable in many normal days on this 3D planet.

    Some people seem to have ideas about STS, that it is a complete lack of love. I do believe there is love in STS densities, this love being mainly expressed as respect.

    So why is it important to accept both polarities as one in the end? Because rejecting it, is rejecting many-ness altogether.

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    10-24-2015, 08:07 PM
    I believe a desire to be of service to others is self serving, as it is how oneself wants to be for oneself.

    I also believe a desire to be of service to self is serving others, as others also are self which lets itself express what it is.

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