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    Cainite Away

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    02-16-2017, 02:23 AM
    Greetings again, friends.

    I have some questions about 2nd density beings.

    First I want to discuss what Ra said about trees becoming dogs in their next incarnation.
    How's that possible? wouldn't the world be filled with dogs that way as it is filled with trees? and also why dog is the only thing trees become?

    Another question about dogs, they obviously have many 4th density characteristics.
    Why are they so loyal and compassionate towards all beings when most 3th density beings aren't?
    This has always puzzled me.

    I have another question; I have a pet cat named Leon Heart . he's very young (less than a year old) and very smart.
    Like a dog he understands some words like when I ask him to come here he always comes.
    He's self aware enough to know his own name.

    How can I help Leon progress further and become more and more aware of his own being?

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    02-16-2017, 03:08 AM
    I dont recall reading about all trees becoming dogs, where did you read that?

    As to the 4th density characteristics, i think this is a misunderstanding.
    I would say all other densities than 3d are more loving and compassionate than undeveloped 3d.
    This would be because of the veil.
    The other densities, including 2d, would exist in a state of connectedness (except 4/5/6d negative who willingly choose seperation).
    Its the veil that prevents us from experiencing the connectedness with all beings.
    So its more about 3d characteristics (not feeling connected) than 4d characteristics.

    As to helping your cat on the path, you re already doing this.
    You treat him like an individual (as opposed to how you would relay to a fly), you can tell him apart from other cats, you give him a name, you refer to him as an 'individual'.
    This is what helps him individualize and gain self-awareness.

    I love cats Smile
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    02-16-2017, 06:53 AM (This post was last modified: 02-16-2017, 06:53 AM by Cainite.)
    Thanks that explains a lot!

    I read about trees becoming dogs in the Law of One books (I don't remember which volume though)

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    02-16-2017, 10:10 AM
    http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=second+density

    Quote:13.18 Questioner: Could you define what you mean by growth?

    Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the difference between first-vibrational mineral or water life and the lower second-density beings which begin to move about within and upon its being. This movement is the characteristic of second density, the striving towards light and growth.

    Quote:13.19 Questioner: By striving toward light, what do you mean?

    Ra: I am Ra. A very simplistic example of second-density growth striving towards light is that of the leaf striving towards the source of light.

    Quote:14.1 Questioner: Going back over this morning’s work, [inaudible]. You said the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?

    Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.

    Quote:14.3 Questioner: Then what was the second-density form— what did it look like— that became Earth-man in the third density? What did he look like in the second density?

    Ra: I am Ra. The difference between second- and third-density bodily forms would in many cases have been more like one to the other. In the case of your planetary sphere the process was interrupted by those who incarnated here from the planetary sphere you call Mars. They were adjusted by genetic changing and, therefore, there was some difference which was of a very noticeable variety rather than the gradual raising of the bipedal forms upon your second-density level to third-density level. This has nothing to do with the so-called placement of the soul. This has only to do with the circumstances of the influx of those from that culture.

    Quote:19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

    Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call sound vibration complex “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

    Quote:20.3 Questioner: So more and more second-density entities are making it into third density. Can you give me an example of a second-density entity coming into third density, say, in the recent past?

    Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the most common occurrence of second-density graduation during third-density cycle is the so-called pet.

    The animal which is exposed to the individualizing influences of the bond between animal and third-density entity, this individuation causes a sharp rise in the potential of the second-density entity so that upon the cessation of physical complex the mind/body complex does not return unto the undifferentiated consciousness of that species, if you will.

    Quote:20.4 Questioner: Then can you give me an example of an entity in third density that was just previously a second-density entity? What type of entity do they become here?

    Ra: I am Ra. As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.

    Quote:38.8 Questioner: I was wondering if that particular social memory complex from the Sirius star evolved from trees?

    Ra: I am Ra. This approaches correctness. Those second-density vegetation forms which graduated into third density upon this planet bearing the name of Dog were close to the tree as you know it.


    I figured these quotes would help offer some context.
    I will try to elucidate on your post's questions but I'm not the most knowledgeable on this subject...

    The concept of a tree becoming a dog is a confusion of concepts, and that's okay, it happens more often than I think any of us like to admit.  38.8 might point to the cause of this mix up of concepts.  As I understand it, tree's and dog's are both of the higher sub-vibratory levels of the 2nd density approaching closer and closer self-awareness and harvest into 3D.  If tree's become dogs, which I didn't find a statement anywhere saying such (but I might have missed it), is true it might indicate the dog to be a step above the tree, but some part of me feels that some tree's are higher on the vibratory scale than some dogs in attaining self awareness.

    In 14.1 there is a mention of second density entities having a group form.  This might be akin to portions of each animal stemming from a group the same way 3D entities will eventually evolve to be individual portions of a social memory complex.  I don't think this is a 4D energy configuration, I think muad-lib touched upon it perfectly, that in 3D we are veiled, and as such with self awareness and the ability to effect our own distortions to a degree, can appear to be cruel in comparison to the animals, including those that hunt as they do so for survival while 3D entities do so sometimes for sport.

    The kindness and compassion and patience and love of domesticated, and even some animals without an owner, might be another good example of the logos' inclination towards kindness:
    Quote:99.10 Ra: [...]As we have said, the Logos of your peoples has a bias towards kindness

    You might view it that were 3D not veiled, we'd be similar in attributes of loyalty and compassion to our 2D best friends, just with more bias and differentiation catalyzed by our being fully in self-awareness.

    (02-16-2017, 02:23 AM)Cainite Wrote: How can I help Leon progress further and become more and more aware of his own being?

    D'AAAAWWWWWWW Heart Heart Heart
    Heart
    Heart Heart
    -all the hearts!-

    Sorry, I just got all mushy and warm fuzzied in the belly to that question.  I think the simplest advice is simply seen in 14.1 and 20.3:

    Quote:14.1 Questioner: Going back over this morning’s work, [inaudible]. You said the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?

    Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.

    Quote:20.3 Questioner: So more and more second-density entities are making it into third density. Can you give me an example of a second-density entity coming into third density, say, in the recent past?

    Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the most common occurrence of second-density graduation during third-density cycle is the so-called pet.

    The animal which is exposed to the individualizing influences of the bond between animal and third-density entity, this individuation causes a sharp rise in the potential of the second-density entity so that upon the cessation of physical complex the mind/body complex does not return unto the undifferentiated consciousness of that species, if you will.

    Hope this helps you out~ Heart
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    02-16-2017, 01:24 PM (This post was last modified: 02-16-2017, 01:24 PM by Cainite.)
    Thanks, friend.

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    02-16-2017, 02:22 PM
    i guess there is some confusion regarding the tree / dogs thing,
    if i get it right, the Second densitiy beings on a planet with the Name "Dog" became third density.
    it was the planest name, Not the trees becoming dogs Smile

    i just wonder what i was when "i" was third densitiy.
    and imagine someone finding out in hypnosis he has been "Times Square" in NY before he was human Smile
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    02-16-2017, 09:33 PM
    Question: Gorillas and chimpanzees are not pets and are self-aware to a limited degree as can be seen by how they recognize themselves in a mirror. How would these beings be assigned?

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    02-16-2017, 11:26 PM
    Ra says usually the difference between second and third density isn't so drastic, but we were genetically altered.

    Quote:14.3 Questioner: Then what was the second-density form— what did it look like— that became Earth-man in the third density? What did he look like in the second density?

    Ra: I am Ra. The difference between second- and third-density bodily forms would in many cases have been more like one to the other. In the case of your planetary sphere the process was interrupted by those who incarnated here from the planetary sphere you call Mars. They were adjusted by genetic changing and, therefore, there was some difference which was of a very noticeable variety rather than the gradual raising of the bipedal forms upon your second-density level to third-density level. This has nothing to do with the so-called placement of the soul. This has only to do with the circumstances of the influx of those from that culture.

    Also, there are third density Maldekians who use the ape body:

    Quote:After this experience of learn/teaching, the group decision was to place upon itself a type of what you may call karma alleviation. For this purpose they came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms. This then they have been experiencing until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others. Since this was the conscious decision of the great majority of those beings in the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately five hundred thousand [500,000] of your years ago and the type of body complex available at that time was used..

    10.2 Questioner: Was the body complex available at that time what we refer to as the ape type?

    Ra: That is correct.

    10.3 Questioner: And have any of the Maldek entities transformed now? Are they now still second-density or are they forming some third-density planet now?

    Ra: The consciousness of these entities has always been third-density. The alleviation mechanism was designed by the placement of this consciousness in second-dimensional physical chemical complexes which are not able to be dexterous or manipulative to the extent which is appropriate to the workings of the third-density distortions of the mind complex.

    10.4 Questioner: Well, have any of these entities moved on now, made a, shall we say, graduation at the end of a seventy-five year cycle and gotten out of the second-density body into third-density-type bodies?

    Ra: I am Ra. Many of these entities were able to remove the accumulation of what you call karma, thus being able to accept a third-density cycle within a third-density body. Most of those beings so succeeding have incarnated elsewhere in the creation for the succeeding cycle in third density. As this planet reached third density some few of these entities became able to join the vibration of this sphere in the third-density form. There remain a few who have not yet alleviated through the mind/body/spirit coordination of distortions the previous action taken by them. Therefore, they remain.

    Pets aren't the only way to gain third density awareness, just the most common way at the point in time.
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    02-17-2017, 12:00 AM
    Pets, religious group worship of animals, and mineral's or vegetation that has connected with another were the described three ways, I think.

    Apes, chimps, and gorrilas I think are near the highest sub-level 2D animals. I would lump in dolphins and whales, but they seem to already be 3D.
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    02-17-2017, 02:02 AM
    (02-17-2017, 12:00 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Pets, religious group worship of animals, and mineral's or vegetation that has connected with another were the described three ways, I think.

    Apes, chimps, and gorrilas I think are near the highest sub-level 2D animals.  I would lump in dolphins and whales, but they seem to already be 3D.

    Couldn't help myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

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    02-20-2017, 12:58 AM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2017, 01:09 AM by anagogy.)
    (02-16-2017, 02:23 AM)Cainite Wrote: I have some questions about 2nd density beings.

    First I want to discuss what Ra said about trees becoming dogs in their next incarnation.
    How's that possible? wouldn't the world be filled with dogs that way as it is filled with trees? and also why dog is the only thing trees become?

    My understanding is that they were referring to a group of 3rd density aliens from a planet near the star Sirius, known as the "Dog Star" because of its prominence in the "Canis Major" (Greater Dog) constellation. These beings abducted Charlie Hickson (this was the Pascagoula incident), they evolved from 2nd density trees on their home planet (or something similar to a tree). They were sort of like intelligent vegetable beings.

    Here's what they looked like:

    [Image: Crabman1_NEW.jpg]

    (02-16-2017, 02:23 AM)Cainite Wrote: How can I help Leon progress further and become more and more aware of his own being?

    By cherishing him and seeing him as his own particular personality you are serving to individuate him into a self aware 3rd density harvestable being. The fact that Leon incarnated in a cat body that would have close contact with 3rd density beings means his consciousness was already approaching harvestability, so just let nature, and your love, take its course.
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    02-20-2017, 05:08 PM
    (02-17-2017, 12:00 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Pets, religious group worship of animals, and mineral's or vegetation that has connected with another were the described three ways, I think.

    Apes, chimps, and gorrilas I think are near the highest sub-level 2D animals. I would lump in dolphins and whales, but they seem to already be 3D.

    I've become fascinated with octopus. Ive read lots of stories of them concocting fairly complex escape plans and secretly hunting fish in other tanks at aquariums only to return to their tank before aquarium stuff arrive for the day to remain undetected.
    I wonder where they fit.
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    02-20-2017, 05:33 PM
    It's hard to say, just like how I'm baffled to try to figure out how immortal Lobsters and Jellyfish fit into the picture of 2D.  That there are ocean dwelling species that can't die except by external force leaves me in awe, similarly considering the extremely long lifespans of say, some Tortoises, I really think there's some great and interesting lessons to be learned by these animals.

    I wish, I WISH SO HARD, that I could talk to animals like Elisiah Thornberry in that one nickelodeon cartoon (the wild thornberries??).

    Could you imagine talking to a lobster that's lived for over a thousand years?
    Imagine what an octopus thinks of a squid, or cthulu!  Or the cloverfield monster! lol.

    Maybe one day I'll make a little graphic in photoshop of the various placements I think some animals and vegetation are at in 2D.

    I think octopuses...Octo...Octopi? Octopods? -googles-

    I think octopuses are a step or two beneath dolphins, around or a bit beneath where long-living trees, cats, and dogs might be.  If they truly are as cunning as you just mentioned then they're as the cat only smarter if it knows to avoid it's captives for a proper meal.  Somewhat makes me think it's highly aware of it's surroundings in context to it's situation, something requiring 'some' self-awareness.

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