Ra's Time Travel Paradox

[Infinite]

I'll try explane my point.

First, recently I recommended a trilogy of books in this thread: http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14350

The author experimented the "spheric time". In this state past, present and future are just points of a sphere.

This is very similar to these passages of "The Material Ra":

We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

(Session 1.1)

16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

My doubt is: If Ra can acess the spheric time, why they "failed" with egipcians?

Peace, love and light.

[Infinite Unity]

Equal to the same lessons to be learned to graduate into 7th density.

These beings are not perfect, and the "problem" comes into play from free will, and complex inter-dynamics of creation, and the sheer subtleness of Infinite Intelligence, or The Mystery Clad Macrocosmic One.

It may seem simple, however think of all the people interacting and changing the overall vortices of the "major sphere".

[anagogy]

My doubt is: If Ra can acess the spheric time, why they "failed" with egipcians?

Peace, love and light.

Because once a given portion of consciousness has entered a given focus/reality/experience, it is not permitted (except under certain rare instances) to take away this exploration, distorted though it may be, to then "do it the correct way", because you see, all things are perfect in their own way, even Ra's failure with the Egyptians. Ra is not elite, and the lesson of their so called 'mistakes' with the Egyptians is engraven upon the eternal present as well, and deliberately not corrected by erasure from time because it has value as an exploration by the creator.

All the beings Ra influenced regarded that influence in different ways and for many the experience was extremely positive, and this experience would not be taken away just because the sum result of this endeavor ended up being largely a failure for the purposes intended. If it was permitted to constantly 'do over' such events, time would be a very dull thing where nothing interesting would ever happen. Keep in mind, creation is a sandbox and all beings within the density/sandbox are just the play of the creator. The creator would not deny the experience of a sandcastle just because a few end up crumbling.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Yeah, Ra's failure with the Egyptians is, as far as I know, more about the interplay between positive and negative energies along with the matters of free will that go with them. A strong positive message will virtually always inspire a strong negative response, and vice-versa.

Q'uo actually had a good description of this effect, when discussing Mohammed and his mission to Earth.

As with all such efforts of light and service to others the power of the polarity puts forth an attraction and is, shall we say, noticed by those in the vicinity. There is often notice by those of the so-called Orion Empire that they be able to utilize the balancing efforts of this planet’s quarantine system to offer some form of their own information wherever possible and to make this offering to appear as the same as that which first attracted their notice.

Thus, with all such efforts there is some infiltration of the signal with other information at odd moments or targets of opportunity that exist in all entities that are mortal. Thus, all such inspirational information has this feature whereby there is attracted to it the balancing efforts by those of the so-called loyal opposition.

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[W]e can only suggest that when even the most holy and pure work of divine inspiration falls to the mortals below there will be human error entered at some point, whether it be by chance or by design, as the various levels of relationship and interrelationship work to bring entities with personal incarnational lessons into touch with that which is divine. Thus, there is opportunity for distortion and the use of the inspiration for purposes other than the original intentions. As the cycles of human reincarnation occur from time to time and culture to culture there are overriding issues of relationships of groups and their purpose for incarnation. Thus, there is always the opportunity for interpretation.

[Infinite]

I understand your point. Talking in another words, how can anyone who can see the future fail? This include the Council that knowed about Ra's failure. But in this case is understandable. This was a lesson to Ra. It's a point that I can't understand. Suposing that future is changeable this means that past is too. A complete paradox.

Peace, love and light.

[Infinite Unity]

I understand your point. Talking in another words, how can anyone who can see the future fail? This include the Council that knowed about Ra's failure. But in this case is understandable. This was a lesson to Ra. It's a point that I can't understand. Suposing that future is changeable this means that past is too. A complete paradox.

Peace, love and light.

There is no failure there is learning. We learn live and express through the medium of distortions. There is nothing that is not distorted besides Infinite Intelligence.

[Infinite]

Although I do not completely understand I'll accept the Ra explanation:

65.9 Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics of describing what we call the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with probability/possibility vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of a prophecy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes with respect to all of these scenarios?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.

The value of prophecy must be realized to be only that of expressing possibilities. Moreover, it must be, in our humble opinion, carefully taken into consideration that any time/space viewing, whether by one of your time/space or by one such as we who view the time/space from a dimension, shall we say, exterior to it will have a quite difficult time expressing time measurement values. Thus prophecy given in specific terms is more interesting for the content or type of possibility predicted than for the space/time nexus of its supposed occurrence.

Peace, love and light.