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    Focus123 (Offline)

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    #1
    04-03-2011, 06:55 AM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2011, 10:42 AM by Focus123.)
    Been following this guy for about a year regarding investing. His record has been impressive. His latest prediction on the market and war and peace cycles.

    http://www.profi-forex.us/news/entry4000001168.html

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    #2
    04-03-2011, 07:35 AM
    hi focus
    ive seen him make some excellent calls. as far as my take. we are days away from a major top that will see a bottom in late 2012. i follow the 5 year cycle which peaked in 0ct 2007 and elliot waves. the elliot wave for the qqqq indicates to me we are close to a top. however elliot wave is notoriously unreliable. if the dow here breaks hard over the next couple of weeks then the odds of me being right are higher

    norral

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    04-03-2011, 08:41 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2011, 07:38 AM by Spectrum.)
    There is a lot I can say about this article. To understand what is being done here one has to be knowledgeable about thought reform techniques, commonly known as mind control / coercive persuasion / brainwashing, all part and parcel of propaganda techniques.

    I'm not going to dissect his words piece for piece, instead I'm going to just point out a technique mainstream media employs to advance an ideology, and "get everyone on the same page".

    First they set someone up as an expert, in the case of this guy using his impressive Goldman Sachs credentials and accurate past predictions. So everyone sits up and takes notice when he speaks, and once he has the floor, he becomes a useful tool for advancing an ideology and agenda.

    Words are powerful things where financial markets are concerned, so he might even be instrumental in fulfilling the prophecy, just by making these pronouncements, supported by the weight of his public persona.

    I practically stopped reading halfway through, it was obvious to me what was being done.

    He paints this as a future prospect, when it's currently going on and has been for decades:

    Quote:Charles Nenner says that the major reason for that will be a change in the war-and-peace cycles. In other words, the governments will be actively investing in military actions in order to stimulate their economic development at the expense of expanding their military industrial establishment.

    Also notice the obvious dichotomy above, investing in military actions doesn't hinder the expansion of their military industrial establishment, it advances it. No wonder the populace is in a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance.

    The fact that he was the chief analyst for Goldman Sachs is also a red flag. When people have inside information, it's usually because they are insiders...

    This guy is using a 'financial platform', but it's the same old/same old - advancing the Zionist/Arab conflict. I find it very interesting how this is being done on both sides, in the West and in the Arab world.

    In the Arab world a documentary is being circulated far and wide: Iran’s “End Times” Documentary and the “Last Messiah”

    http://www.insideofiran.org/en/news-anal...ntary.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwiadYT-N...r_embedded

    In the Arab world they use the religious platform, because that is how the Arabs are inclined. In the West they use a combination of different techniques, because the population is so varied - secular & religious (cover all the bases).

    Sheep to the slaughter, and the puppet masters are chuckling all the way to the bank. Divide and conquer...

    Disclaimer: This is my own opinion! Wink

    PS. Not to mention that if all "big-scale market participants (including pension and hedge funds, corporations and major investors)" pull out on his recommendation, the market 'will' collapse... RollEyes

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    04-03-2011, 10:18 AM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2011, 10:51 AM by Focus123.)
    Quote:hi focus
    ive seen him make some excellent calls. as far as my take. we are days away from a major top that will see a bottom in late 2012. i follow the 5 year cycle which peaked in 0ct 2007 and elliot waves. the elliot wave for the qqqq indicates to me we are close to a top. however elliot wave is notoriously unreliable. if the dow here breaks hard over the next couple of weeks then the odds of me being right are higher

    Look for a top May 18-June 16. Use the 30/20/10 Moving average on a daily basis to time the top.If it breaks the 10 I'm out. Use the RSI/MACD/CCI to also gauge the break down -all must be in unison.Terry Laundry has found a 14 week pattern in this particular rally since March 2009 -10 weeks up 4 weeks down -approximately -

    http://ttheory.typepad.com/files/dailych...401pdf.pdf

    Also I use Dan Sullivan and Jack Schannep for insurance on the down side. Schannep uses the Dow Theory:
    Schannep:
    "Here is the setup for a potential Dow Theory Sell signal or another "in the clear" (which I will keep up to date here until it is resolved):
    Note: the qualified secondary reaction was currently followed by the 3%+ bounce that we were expecting and now we are looking for new highs on all three indices as the Transports have already done, or in the alternative a setback that drops below the pullback lows which would be a Sell signal."

    Numbers: Dow 12391 Transport 5298-OK S@P 1343

    Quote:There is a lot I can say about this article. To understand what is being done here one has to be knowledgeable about thought reform techniques, commonly known as mind control / manipulative coercion / brainwashing, all part and parcel of propaganda techniques.

    I'm not going to dissect his words piece for piece, instead I'm going to just point out a technique mainstream media employs to advance an ideology, and "get everyone on the same page".

    First they set someone up as an expert, in the case of this guy using his impressive Goldman Sachs credentials and accurate past predictions. So everyone sits up and takes notice when he speaks, and once he has the floor, he becomes a useful tool for advancing an ideology and agenda.

    Words are powerful things where financial markets are concerned, so he might even be instrumental in fulfilling the prophecy, just by making these pronouncements, supported by the weight of his public persona.

    I practically stopped reading halfway through, it was obvious to me what was being done.

    He paints this as a future prospect, when it's currently going on and has been for decades:

    Quote:Charles Nenner says that the major reason for that will be a change in the war-and-peace cycles. In other words, the governments will be actively investing in military actions in order to stimulate their economic development at the expense of expanding their military industrial establishment.


    Also notice the obvious dichotomy above, investing in military actions doesn't hinder the expansion of their military industrial establishment, it advances it. No wonder the populace is in a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance.

    The fact that he was the chief analyst for Goldman Sachs is also a red flag. When people have inside information, it's usually because they are insiders...

    This guy is using a 'financial platform', but it's the same old/same old - advancing the Zionist/Arab conflict. I find it very interesting how this is being done on both sides, in the West and in the Arab world.

    In the Arab world a documentary is being circulated far and wide: Iran’s “End Times” Documentary and the “Last Messiah”

    http://www.insideofiran.org/en/news-anal...ntary.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwiadYT-N...r_embedded

    In the Arab world they use the religious platform, because that is how the Arabs are inclined. In the West they use a combination of different techniques, because the population is so varied - secular & religious (cover all the bases).

    Sheep to the slaughter, and the puppet masters are chuckling all the way to the bank. Divide and conquer...

    Disclaimer: This is my own opinion! Wink

    PS. Not to mention that if all "big-scale market participants (including pension and hedge funds, corporations and major investors)" pulls out on his recommendation, the market 'will' collapse...

    I do not disagree, however, there's more to these cycles than just the talking heads--

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave

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    04-03-2011, 11:45 AM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2011, 11:47 AM by turtledude23.)
    I don't know where that article got alot of its info from, I saw very little of that content in the video, in particular the part about the anchors being shocked, they seemed rather skeptical about what he was saying. But lets look at his credentials

    "he predicted the market collapse"

    Oh wow! Really? He predicted that the thing everyone in on knew from the start would collapse (unregulated derivatives) would collapse? He must be psychic.

    "he predicted the housing market would collapse"

    Whoa, he knew banks giving loans to people who can't pay them back would lead to that? Remarkable.

    Sarcasm aside: being able to predict what's inevitable do to a systematic flaw is nothing amazing. Years from now when oil peaks everyone will be like "holy crap, all those environmentalists and documentaries were right, why didn't we do something sooner?". All human action whether starting a war or contributing to "the market" is based on free will and probably can't be predicted, Ra talked about probability/possibility vortices - not definite outcomes. War-peace cycle? Give me a break, lets look at it systematically: the US has has a perpetually growing military since after WW2/Truman, Eisenhower warned about how this large military would be bad, and since the Korean War the US has been getting involved in other peoples wars or starting their own in order to keep the military-industrial complex growing, 2 of these recent wars were started for oil, oil will continue to be less available and demand will keep going up. This leaves 2 options for the U.S.: use their vast resources to be a world leader in renewable energy, or keep starting long, expensive wars in oil-filled countries. Given the influence of oil companies and "defence" contractors and the STS interests of people running the military the latter is the more likely route of action. Wars are planned years in advance with these modern bully war examples, if financial sector people really wanted to know when the next big war would be they'd ask one of their friends in the white house, not some guy with some model of prediction they know nothing about.

    Why is that when someone predicts something bad will happen people assume it will be true and pay attention, but when someone predicts something good its alot more scrutinized?

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    norral (Offline)

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    04-03-2011, 11:58 AM
    i dont think focus is saying the guy is infallible. no one is. i saw him back in 2007 say the dow was going to 14000 and then top. it did what he said. i also saw him be wrong but he wont admit it. but lets just watch here personally i think the markets top within the next two weeks and then have a major top. honestly who knows for sure. nobody

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    04-03-2011, 12:25 PM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2011, 12:52 PM by Spectrum.)
    turtledude23 Wrote:I don't know where that article got alot of its info from, I saw very little of that content in the video, in particular the part about the anchors being shocked, they seemed rather skeptical about what he was saying.

    I also noticed that. A good example of 'media spin'.

    turtledude23 Wrote:"he predicted the housing market would collapse"

    Yeah, and given that Goldman Sachs was secretly betting on the housing collapse, when they were instrumental in it, is left out of his 'credential shpeel'...

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/11/01/77...n-the.html

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    04-03-2011, 01:43 PM
    (04-03-2011, 12:25 PM)Spectrum Wrote:
    turtledude23 Wrote:I don't know where that article got alot of its info from, I saw very little of that content in the video, in particular the part about the anchors being shocked, they seemed rather skeptical about what he was saying.

    I also noticed that. A good example of 'media spin'.

    This website (www.profi-forex.us) is not mainstream, its probably run by one guy with either all the articles written by him or a small team. I don't think its spin, I think its him trying to prove his personal beliefs and biases, and on this website he say whatever he wants and he's the editor so who's gonna stop him from making wild extrapolations. The video is a credible source, his commentary on it is not.

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