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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material The Choice, Ray Balancing, Harvest

    Thread: The Choice, Ray Balancing, Harvest


    thefool (Offline)

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    12-22-2009, 12:45 AM
    I need some help tying these topics together. The Choice, the balancing of the red/orange/yellow ray and the harvest. Is making a clear choice regarding STS/STO enough for achieving harvestability? Or do we have to also work on un-clogging the Red/Orange/Yellow rays to gain polarity to become harvestable. Here is from Law of One Material-

    from Ra
    "The connection between polarization and harvestability is most important in third-density harvest. In this density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy an higher intensity of light. Thus in this density, we may say, it is hardly possible to polarize without increasing in harvestability." end quote.

    So my understanding that emerges from all this is- That First we make a choice and choose which way would we like to go. service to self (only) or service to others and self. Then we work on issues that block us from moving in that direction of opening the heart (let's say we chose STO). On the way to heart we have Red Ray (survival issues), Orange Ray (relationship issues), Yellow ray (social issues). So we have to choose and choose again in multiple different ways and several times the choices are not very clearly STO or STS. But we will know by the end result as the flow to the heart in the green ray will tell us. Do you feel loving today or hateful? Do you feel gratitude or spiteful? Do you feel forgiveness or retribution? Nothing wrong with hateful just a feedback mechanism to let you know how you are doing...

    Just rambling here but would love to hear your thoughts...

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    12-22-2009, 01:59 AM (This post was last modified: 12-22-2009, 04:41 AM by Sacred Fool.)
    (12-22-2009, 12:45 AM)thefool Wrote: I need some help tying these topics together. The Choice, the balancing of the red/orange/yellow ray and the harvest. Is making a clear choice regarding STS/STO enough for achieving harvestability? Or do we have to also work on un-clogging the Red/Orange/Yellow rays to gain polarity to become harvestable.

    In my opinion: No & Yes.

    I would aver that what ties these topics together (and is more basic than harvestability or even choice) is the underlying pattern of energy transfer in your being.

    This is slowly defined over myriad incarnations--innumerable experiences--and defines you as a being which transmigrates across...who knows...? According to Q'uo you have a singular "vibratory signature" which is the culmination of the way all your circuits (even the tiniest) operate. As your vibrational pattern developes in such a way that it more closely resembles that of the One Creatrix, you then become harvestable to various densities...and beyond. Bias towards a Choice shows up somewhere along the way in 3D, very often--according to Ra--without an entity's knowledge...in the beginning.

    That's my shot at your query. It's all in the signature.
    Have fun.
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    ayadew

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    12-22-2009, 07:36 AM
    As I've understood it, to be able to withstand the vibration of higher densities you simply need to vibrate in the pattern the way which is acceptable for that density.
    This makes me wonder though, can a 3rd density entity vibrate to be eligible for 5, 6th or higher density graduation? Who knows.
    4th density is love, and the understanding of free will is the prequisite to this - you've 'won' the game in this world when your mentality goes beyond the silly game here, which are all catalysts to promote the free will and unhindered thinking. That's when you can open yourself to love - you are harvestable, because you don't have much more to gain from 3D. It's just a waste of time for you.

    Polarization on the other hand, is how you use this love you've gained. Is it incredible love for yourself, that you're the best in the world and all others are tools to increase this love? Or do you see all outside you as yourself, seeing that the love is in all things and that you are not separated?
    STS is the path of "that which is not", ie that which ignores the love in all things. That's why it's so damn hard to do... you'll need real dedication to ignore the Creator in all things.

    This is the Law of One dogma at least.

    What I feel intuitively is... that polarization and harvestability is almost inseperable. But I guess you can be almost 100% STO, but feel unloving. Do you feel love when you do the dishes or are you doing it because you must? Such things.
    Yet, to work so much for others, and not notice the incredible love present, is a great feat in ignorance. You'll notice it sooner or later. That it feels GOOD. BigSmile That's the love... that's when you're harvestable.
    If you only feel that love one time, and strive for it, your self wants to get higher in the densities, because it's very hard to learn of love here. And that's when you'll graduate.
    Would you like more discussion on the energy centers/rays/chakras?

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    Lavazza (Offline)

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    12-22-2009, 12:57 PM
    Hey Ayadew, I sure would! I can't read enough about those mysterious chakras, and how to balance them. You gave a lovely response by the way.

    Thefool, My hunch is that a sincere thrust towards either polarity will naturally result in the red/orange/yellow chakra usage. The only way not to use the chakras consciously or unconsciously is to just ignore all desire at self improvement, relationship improvement or societal improvement. Note that many people have no idea what a chakra is, but through their life work, ambitions, and/or desire to make things better for themselves, their loved ones or their community these energy centers become unblocked (or sometimes blocked) all the time.

    The only way you could possibly not use your lower chakras is if you only focus on satisfying your basic human needs and don't ponder the meaning behind anything very often. I'd venture that someone who makes the intellectual choice to go STO or STS couldn't possibly do that.

    Last note, I don't think they have to be totally unblocked as long as the seeker is sincere.

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    12-23-2009, 12:05 AM
    Lavazza Wrote:The only way you could possibly not use your lower chakras is if you only focus on satisfying your basic human needs and don't ponder the meaning behind anything very often. I'd venture that someone who makes the intellectual choice to go STO or STS couldn't possibly do that.

    I agree. Taking care of those basic human needs is what those parts of ourselves linked to those chakras are there for! This includes all selfish ways of thinking, which are really just self-protective ways of thinking that have just gotten way out of hand.

    Those functions should definitely be used and appreciated every moment, for a basic sense of self preservation and striving to continue to be alive without any awareness or appreciation of it. But most people have closed themselves off to love so much that there is nowhere for all that extra energy to go, so instead of flowing into the upper chakras, which constitute an awareness and appreciation of self and aliveness, it just overenergizes everything about those lower levels of thinking... We have all seen the effect of that firsthand.

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    12-23-2009, 07:34 PM (This post was last modified: 12-23-2009, 07:38 PM by thefool.)
    Friends !!! This is getting interesting now. The wheels of the mind are turning. I love it...

    Thanks to all of you for your insightful responses. I can not appreciate enough the power of community in this work. It is like the law of doubling at work here...

    Lavazza and Aaron- I resonate with the statement that the decision or the choice will result in the use of proper catalyst in removing the blockages. So I agree as well.

    ayadew- somewhere in the material, it was mentioned that a 3rd density entity can directly penetrate the intelligent infinity. Is it same as going a little less to 5th, 6 th or 7th- I don't know? I would also love to explore/discuss more about Chakras/Rays and Energy centers and their practical usage in polarization.

    What I am trying to figure out is this- Ra said a 51% STO polarization is needed. This is a very precise number. He/She did not say approximately 50% or somewhere there. They also mentioned how the energy moves from Red ray center to if unblocked moves to Orange and if unblocked then to Yellow center and if unblocked then to Green Ray. The harvesting process seemed very objective to me. The Violet ray emanation is measured by the so called harvesters. Now the question is how do you get to 51% and how is it measured? You know it will be very helpful to very many people if they could get some feedback about their 'Harvestability Score' . Especially for the people who are in >45% but less than 51%. They may push a little bit more and make it.

    Let's take a simple example: let's say there is a fictitious entity Bob. Bob is a regular light worker. He has a family and a 9-5 job. He shows great interest in serving others including his family but at the same time he is not perfect by any stretch of imagination. He get angry, doubtful, despondent, hateful, insecure from time to time. But he helps others when he gets an opportunity. He is also loving most of the times. He is complex like most of the people you and I know. with me so far. Let's say Bob's Red ray receives 100 units of cosmic energy and due to the blocks due to insecurity only 80 unit go to Orange ray center. In the orange ray, Bob has other self esteem issues that causes a partial blockage in orange ray by 15 units. Now only 75 units of energy is flowing through to the Yellow ray center. At yellow ray he encounters distortions and blockages due to his leaning towards acquiring power in the local political organization and all the machination that goes along with that. This drops his energy flow going to green ray center by 20 units to bring it down to 55 units. Now at this point let's say Bob is - 100% STO (very hard to achieve given his circumstances)- He would have a Harvestability Score of (55*100)/100 (original Red Ray Input) = 55%. He makes it to 4th.
    - 90% STO- Bob has a Harvestability Score of (55*90)/100 = 49.5 %. He does not make it. (Only if he knew this in advance and could drop his political machinations or improve somewhere else. But now too late Sad )

    Now I realize this is too simplistic. So 1) what are some of the other factors we need to account for?
    2)Also is the correct calculation based upon the original 100 unit at the Red Ray Center or it should be a % calculated based upon 55% available in Green Ray?
    3) this is all wrong and there needs to be another way to calculate this Score
    4) Can not be calculated by us in 3rd density

    I hope I am clear enough for you to give it a thought...

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    12-23-2009, 09:26 PM
    Personally I think Ra was giving more of a general idea than a specific number. I think its the idea that graduation occurs as long as we are thinking more of others than ourselves more than half the time. The reason I think this is that Ra states that the 95% STS is just as difficult to attain as the 51% STO and the in-between is the "sinkhole of indifference".

    I think as long as we are know we are helping others, we don't really need to try and analyze how often or how much, we just know we are Smile Just a thought

    Heart & :idea:

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    12-23-2009, 11:07 PM
    Remember that if we are looked at from a multidimensional perspective, we are seen as a whole and not "strung out" through time. The ones who are looking at the fruit and determining if it's ripe to pick aren't going to take out a microscope and go over every square millimeter of the fruit's surface. (if we think of time as spacious, then they could examine a part of the fruit and it would be like looking at you in a certain 3D time) They are probably just going to take one glance, and they can tell whether or not it's juicy!

    As Purple Dragon says, I probably wouldn't worry about whether or not you're ripe. Just know that you're ripening and feel that right now! Just by being here! Sometimes when I feel dissatisfied with my behavior or I question it, I ask myself "Well, what would I have done in that situation a few months ago? a year ago? 10 years ago?" The difference is stark. I am maturing... in more ways that one. And what's another word for maturing? BigSmile I think that if you asked yourself the same question, you will find that you shouldn't doubt your own ripeness so harshly or be afraid of not being harvestable. You're on the right track right now, whether it's STS or STO.

    It's impossible not to think about your actions both before and after they've been committed. There is a place somewhere in the Q'uo archives where it talks about it being the ego's job to reflect on the teaching once it has come from you. Just so we're on the same page, "teaching" here means your STO part in an encounter I believe. And your part in an encounter is what changes your harvestability score, is the widely held belief in these forums I think. Anyway, Q'uo said somewhere (I really oughtta start keeping notes) that a part of you will always think about the thoughts that have been manifested into action from you. But remember, that's just an opinion. And don't worry because it's not conclusive. It's just the little voice in your head that is always trying to figure things out. Smile

    The short message: Be who you are so deeply that you cannot fathom any other way to be. If you do this, you will find naturalness flowing from you effortlessly, and it will polarize naturally. As the saying goes, "Worrying about it ain't gonna change a thing!" Tongue
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    ayadew

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    12-24-2009, 06:52 AM
    Aaron & Purple Dragon said the most I want to say.
    thefool: Your 4th alternative is the most accurate I think. Don't worry too much, all is well. Rationalizing things with a brain that's stuck in linear 3D thinking won't solve the infinite wonders of the universe I'm afraid.

    Ra said clearly that there are many actions which are not polarizing, simply neutral. Such as: requesting the love of the universe, help from above, to go about your business buying food/shelter. If you do this with a clear intent to dominate others, then it's STS, because you've gained the understanding through myriads of incarnations that this is the definite way to progress higher through life. If you do it without really pondering much, then you'll not be polarizing. The reverse applies to STO.

    Remember, the easiest thing in the world is to be asleep.. There is no polarizing choice, no higher meaning, just going about your business, stuck in this 3D world. And those that does such are fine with that. They're learning the lessons of this place, and they will not progress because they need to be here. There is no point for them to go higher in the densities. This is the indifference, and it is well.

    I think the 51/95% numbers were simply to describe the extreme difficulty in completely ignoring the love of the universe (95%) and simply progress for yourself. Thus it's much easier to open yourself to the love of the Creator (51%) and be that way 'most of the time' (51%). It's enough to desire it just a little. It's really a natural state once you've opened yourself enough - you vibrate with 4th density energy, and then your consciousness can live in such a place.

    I find it very hard to make choices currently, because I have to really think over what the consequences are. Thus, I go with the Old Soul approach, and try to affect the world as little as possible, only conversing with those who understand what I'm saying (not many Sad), spreading my vibration without interfering too much. It's the safe route away from karmic imbalances.. but it also denies me catalyst.

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    12-24-2009, 08:06 AM
    (12-24-2009, 06:52 AM)ayadew Wrote: Aaron & Purple Dragon said the most I want to say.
    thefool: Your 4th alternative is the most accurate I think. Don't worry too much, all is well. Rationalizing things with a brain that's stuck in linear 3D thinking won't solve the infinite wonders of the universe I'm afraid.

    Ra said clearly that there are many actions which are not polarizing, simply neutral. Such as: requesting the love of the universe, help from above, to go about your business buying food/shelter. If you do this with a clear intent to dominate others, then it's STS, because you've gained the understanding through myriads of incarnations that this is the definite way to progress higher through life. If you do it without really pondering much, then you'll not be polarizing. The reverse applies to STO.

    Remember, the easiest thing in the world is to be asleep.. There is no polarizing choice, no higher meaning, just going about your business, stuck in this 3D world. And those that does such are fine with that. They're learning the lessons of this place, and they will not progress because they need to be here. There is no point for them to go higher in the densities. This is the indifference, and it is well.

    I think the 51/95% numbers were simply to describe the extreme difficulty in completely ignoring the love of the universe (95%) and simply progress for yourself. Thus it's much easier to open yourself to the love of the Creator (51%) and be that way 'most of the time' (51%). It's enough to desire it just a little. It's really a natural state once you've opened yourself enough - you vibrate with 4th density energy, and then your consciousness can live in such a place.

    I find it very hard to make choices currently, because I have to really think over what the consequences are. Thus, I go with the Old Soul approach, and try to affect the world as little as possible, only conversing with those who understand what I'm saying (not many Sad), spreading my vibration without interfering too much. It's the safe route away from karmic imbalances.. but it also denies me catalyst.

    interesting what you say - for me it is the complete opposite - I always felt something to be very different in the world and peoples behavour compared to my perception and openness - especially in regards to religious or tribe related behaviour patterns. thus i developed already as a kid a inner urge to communicate and be an inspiration of tolerance to many people - in my teens i was hurt hard for that many times by various people, close and not close to me and also family - so i closed up and for a time hated the world that I felt treated me unbelievably unfair. since my awakening a year ago that awareness than goes along with every thought, every decision, every move has been the biggest difference - and hence i made other choices - again i was disappointed and "treated unfair" on many levels but, honestly this only deepened my urge to attain a position where i can have a positive impact on people's inpiration. I am not saying i wanna be a guru or know anything better than anyone - all i am saying is that i love to communicate my perception and feeling of love and this to as much people as possible - wihtout forcing or anything - but still the more that would be reached the more happy it made me ... sounds a littly needy for glamour but let me assure it is absolutely not about me as a person but about the felt urge to communicate love and the ways of reality ... Heart

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    ayadew

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    12-24-2009, 08:15 AM
    xlsander: Then you enjoy the world more than me. BigSmile I'm very tired of it since in my perception it's almost impossible to teach/learn directly. Thus I do indirectly. If you have more success, then I encourage you to continue!

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    12-28-2009, 02:43 AM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2009, 02:44 AM by zenmaster.)
    (12-22-2009, 12:45 AM)thefool Wrote: I need some help tying these topics together. The Choice, the balancing of the red/orange/yellow ray and the harvest. Is making a clear choice regarding STS/STO enough for achieving harvestability? Or do we have to also work on un-clogging the Red/Orange/Yellow rays to gain polarity to become harvestable.

    I'd say being able to make the Choice and making the Choice is the same thing. Without a certain degree of balancing, one can't "choose" - even if the choice has been made successfully other times "before".

    For example, you get harvested to 4D, 5D, or 6D somewhere. Incarnate to Earth at harvest time, as a Wanderer, but get stuck in some karma. In such a case, you are unable to choose and are not harvestable. Therefore, you go to some 3D planet for 25,000 or more years or until you can access "Intelligent Infinity".

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    12-28-2009, 04:09 AM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2009, 04:12 AM by Peregrinus.)
    If I may try to make things a little more clear.

    The numbers 95% Sts and 51% Stos are the minimum requirements, in percentage values, but not it real terms. In order to be harvestable, you must have met two requirements. The first is to have made the choice of which previously mentioned path you desire to take. This need not be conscious.

    Secondly, when this 3rd density time lateral ends at the time of the harvest, each will go to the light, and each will fall away at some point. Where you fall away is what determines where you will be have the choice to go. What determines where you fall away is your energy rays.

    Basically, it is balance that is sought, for the weak entity having an even balance will go further than the strong entity that has uneven rays. If you think of the rays as the links of a chain, the weakest one is where you will fall away, though even this is not accurate, because one having all rays strong but for one weak ray may still not be harvestable to 4D.

    What you seek is to make your choice and to balance the rays.

    I'm not sure if this link is ok to post, but I would think it is... it leads to youTube videos of the basic understanding of the chakras (rays). From this one may Google many websites devoted to chakra balancing. I have found the Hindu and Buddhism faiths to have a good and solid understanding as to how the personality affects the Chakras, and what steps may be taken to balance them in that aspect. Also of use are crystals, meditation, and yoga.

    The meek shall inherit the earth...

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    ayadew

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    12-28-2009, 05:42 AM
    All these "requirements" can truly lead to some anguish and sense of entrapment in a larger system. I don't like that.
    I you don't like that either, I say, don't think too much about it. You're perfect as you is, and as long as you follow your highest excitement in every moment, your current life is bound to feel extremely meaningful and extraordinary.
    Thanks for the link Peregrinus, I'm sure it's fine as long as we don't flood the forum with such Smile

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    12-28-2009, 11:44 AM
    thank you all for taking the time and posting your comments. They truly reflect the diversity of our beings. I enjoyed and appreciated reading all of them. Hope you are all having a great Holiday season...

    Now I think the common view, that I resonate with, seems to be that - 'a balancing or unclogging of the chakras/rays is essential for the choice to be made. This balancing could be implied and direct knowledge is not essential'.

    The second thought that I picked up from the discussion was that- 'you don't need to know your harvest score explicitly. just be and do your thing and you will be all right.' -- I agree with that as far as my own self is concerned. But what about the others. What about 'Bob'? How can we help him move further on the steps of light? Remember we learn what we teach. teach/learn.

    This tool/score/method may lead to some anguish if we force it down the throat of someone. If they have some awareness and looking for something on their own. This may be just the perfect fit for them.

    I am still looking for an objective way for our fictitious character 'Bob' to be able to get some feedback about his growth. To give him some tools so when he ready to look he can find them. OK maybe mentioning harvestability might spook him out. But if we just talk about measuring Chakra Balancing or Chakra Blocks? That should be possible. What say ya?

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    12-28-2009, 01:39 PM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2009, 01:40 PM by Peregrinus.)
    (12-28-2009, 11:44 AM)thefool Wrote: 'a balancing or unclogging of the chakras/rays is essential for the choice to be made. This balancing could be implied and direct knowledge is not essential'.
    This is incorrect brother. A balancing or unclogging is not essential for the choice to be made. The choice may be made with all the chakras closed, open, or over-active, as the choice is just that; a choice. The chakras are the flow of energy which connects matter to the One Creator.

    (12-28-2009, 11:44 AM)thefool Wrote: The second thought that I picked up from the discussion was that- 'you don't need to know your harvest score explicitly. just be and do your thing and you will be all right.' -- I agree with that as far as my own self is concerned. But what about the others. What about 'Bob'? How can we help him move further on the steps of light? Remember we learn what we teach. teach/learn.

    This tool/score/method may lead to some anguish if we force it down the throat of someone. If they have some awareness and looking for something on their own. This may be just the perfect fit for them.

    I am still looking for an objective way for our fictitious character 'Bob' to be able to get some feedback about his growth. To give him some tools so when he ready to look he can find them. OK maybe mentioning harvestability might spook him out. But if we just talk about measuring Chakra Balancing or Chakra Blocks? That should be possible. What say ya?
    You are correct in that one does not need to know their score.

    You are incorrect in assuming that we should help "Bob". Bob is on his own path and it is not for us to alter that path. Only a tiny fraction of entities on this planet will ever know of the LOO while in the 3rd density, and the knowledge of, and understanding of it, is simply too much for the average entity to even accept..

    Knowledge of greater understanding is like explaining 12th grade calculus to a grade three student, telling them it is fun, and expecting them to enjoy it understand it, and apply it. It is much better to allow them to learn at their own rate, in their own time. Period.

    Why did you seek this knowledge? Because you are, and I can say so with almost no doubt, a wanderer. When the wanderer awakens, this information is sought out and understood, for it resonates with us. Native people of the planet that are not of wanderer status will not seek out this information, nor will they understand or accept it, as it is not in their consciousness yet.

    If you want to help "Bob", inspire him with your example. He will do the rest as he will.

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    12-28-2009, 03:01 PM
    (12-28-2009, 01:39 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: This is incorrect brother. A balancing or unclogging is not essential for the choice to be made. The choice may be made with all the chakras closed, open, or over-active, as the choice is just that; a choice. The chakras are the flow of energy which connects matter to the One Creator.

    My friend ! I respectfully disagree. And I believe you meant to say as per your opinion this is incorrect. As I have mine and it is slightly different.

    Anyway, I believe that the choice has no meaning if all the chakras are closed. It is an Impotent choice. It has no validity. It is like imagining about food while hungry and thinking the hunger is gone. You need to eat and then digest the food so the essential energy can flow through you. just because someone imagined food the hunger will not disappear, not in this world. You need work on chakras and be able to make the choice. It is not that cheap. The choice in its real essence is not given to you, you have to earn it. However, you may not realize that you are working with the chakra's energy. You may just be solving you problems as they arise in day to day with love and understanding. That opens the chakras as applicable.

    If 'Bob' has all the close chakras then he will laugh about the topic of making a choice. For him it is a Dog eat Dog world. Only choice that matters is mine being bigger/better than yours. Even if someone convinces him by preaching that making a choice is good for him as he will gain eternal kingdom of the God (as they do in churches all the time). Then he will give a lip service of making a choice. Saying and doing all two completely different things. Talk is cheap. Only the relevant actions are indicator of your deeper intent.

    In all normal humans, chakras are partially active and the key is to get them going more. They may or may not understand LofO but I will not underestimate the power of catalyst that can change humans and put them in more open attitude. Openness is all that is needed. LofO is a simple one. We are all one. It is definitely not like explaining calculus to a 3rd grader. It is more like reminding them what they already know. If we are all one, we all also know who we are but have forgotten...

    I completely agree with the statement that we need to do our thing and 'Bob' will get inspired. But I personally would like to also be ready in case he really gets inspired and wants more from us...

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    12-28-2009, 04:16 PM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2009, 04:48 PM by Peregrinus.)
    I do not know all, but what I do know I speak of, and what I do not know I do not speak of. This is the norm for INTJ, which I am. I also know that at times what I do know has been incorrect, so yes, I may be wrong. In this case, however, I do not believe that to be so.

    You make me laugh my brother, for you are where I was a short time ago. I wanted to save the world, and I thought the best way was to enlighten the masses. I thought of how I could help millions if only I could get the word out. What I resoundingly found was the same thing over and over. Please feel free to go bang you head on the wall while each and every Bob learns to resent you. In my experience this is what happens every time, so I have learned to allow the sleeping bear to sleep, and this I guarantee you will learn as we all wanderers learn it so. People unawakened are as sleeping bears. When the bear is ready to awaken, it will do so. Waking it will only cause grief for the bear and yourself. The best one can do is plant the seed and allow the entity to either water it or let it die. To do more than that is trying ot control, and controlling is the key to gaining negative polarity. If this is your desire, then so be it.

    As for the choice and chakras... I made the choice many lifetimes ago, and yet still reincarnate because it is in my contract to do so. I have in this incarnate experience expressly lived the LOO Stos path before I even knew about the LOO, and yet my chakras were not balanced. The chakras change always, and each second they are different from the last, just as the blood in your body is in a different place each second. Just as one minute you may be content and happy, the next you may be hungry and discontented.

    Choose to believe as you do, for that is your path. I will only suggest that rather than looking to help/change/enlighten others, everything you seek is within you, and there is never enough work that one may do on their inward self. We each as wanderers bring with us two talents. Do you understand the first talent yet? Do you understand the second? You you understand how the two work together and what your path is in using these talents? The answers are within you, but you must do the work on yourself to find the answers.

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    12-28-2009, 05:40 PM
    Peregrinus: Remember though, it takes a real old and cynical soul to really not care what others do with their lives. If you give up on other's lives, then I'd say you might not have much interest left for your own either. Smile
    This is our earth, and even though the meek will inherit it, I wish it to be a good heritage.

    Though I'm at a loss of how to do this, and I will likely always be. Working upon oneself is, as you say, probably the best way

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    12-28-2009, 06:14 PM
    The circumstance that offers the opportunity to help wake up an other self will manifest always at the right time. Wanting it to happen is just putting out negative "controlling" energy and will get you "lesson" circumstances where you'll try to teach and end up learning something instead. Example: I was at a point where I thought it was right to make others aware of their suffering and teach them how to stop it. The discussion was on the topic of life troubles and I asked this acquaintance "Is there suffering in your life?" Even though she had just been talking about petty problems she had been creating, she said "No." She was thinking at a different level and in that moment, she was my zen teacher, instead of the other way around.

    When you pass that point, you realize that all you have to do is, as Peregrinus has said, do more work on the inward self, the self that is already seeking awakening. And as you do this and put out more and more radiant positive energy, unawakened other selves will be attracted to it and those that are ready to awaken will start talking to you. The point is to always be ready, and that circumstance will manifest at the right time.

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    12-28-2009, 07:07 PM
    (12-28-2009, 06:14 PM)Aaron Wrote: The circumstance that offers the opportunity to help wake up an other self will manifest always at the right time. Wanting it to happen is just putting out negative "controlling" energy and will get you "lesson" circumstances where you'll try to teach and end up learning something instead. Example: I was at a point where I thought it was right to make others aware of their suffering and teach them how to stop it. The discussion was on the topic of life troubles and I asked this acquaintance "Is there suffering in your life?" Even though she had just been talking about petty problems she had been creating, she said "No." She was thinking at a different level and in that moment, she was my zen teacher, instead of the other way around.

    When you pass that point, you realize that all you have to do is, as Peregrinus has said, do more work on the inward self, the self that is already seeking awakening. And as you do this and put out more and more radiant positive energy, unawakened other selves will be attracted to it and those that are ready to awaken will start talking to you. The point is to always be ready, and that circumstance will manifest at the right time.

    Thanks you my friend for your response! I think we have hit upon the age old question of how to best help, if at all? I am reminded of a story. In short- when Buddha achieved his enlightenment, he sat for 7 days without doing anything. The gods and angels became very concerned and surrounded him and begged him to talk. Buddha said- Those who already know will not be benefited from my talks. Those that don't know will not care anyways. So that's why I am silent. Then gods bowed to him and said- but what about those on the edge. They need your help. Those who are ready to bloom but one more inspiration is needed. And then Buddha started talking to people and inspiring them until his leaving the physical plane.

    We are in the same boats. when people are pulled towards you and gravitate to you for information. Then what do you tell them? I feel like, I am gone through now the complete cycle. First I was very active in letting everybody know what is right and what is wrong. Then I started just being myself and working on myself. Now the circumstances and people are drawn to me and I am feeling inspired to share my being and my thoughts... I am finding that there is a delicate balance between intruding upon their path and inspiring them. That is very situational. You can inspire by your smile, by your presence, by kind words, by just being. When people come to you for advise, you can also provide direct help. All the possibilities are open to us, we are the creators...

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    12-28-2009, 07:53 PM
    (12-28-2009, 05:40 PM)ayadew Wrote: Peregrinus: Remember though, it takes a real old and cynical soul to really not care what others do with their lives. If you give up on other's lives, then I'd say you might not have much interest left for your own either. Smile
    I did not say I do not care. I simply care enough to allow them their own path. Being here is proof of my great love.

    (12-28-2009, 07:07 PM)thefool Wrote: Thanks you my friend for your response! I think we have hit upon the age old question of how to best help, if at all? I am reminded of a story. In short- when Buddha achieved his enlightenment, he sat for 7 days without doing anything. The gods and angels became very concerned and surrounded him and begged him to talk. Buddha said- Those who already know will not be benefited from my talks. Those that don't know will not care anyways. So that's why I am silent. Then gods bowed to him and said- but what about those on the edge. They need your help. Those who are ready to bloom but one more inspiration is needed. And then Buddha started talking to people and inspiring them until his leaving the physical plane.

    We are in the same boats. when people are pulled towards you and gravitate to you for information. Then what do you tell them? I feel like, I am gone through now the complete cycle. First I was very active in letting everybody know what is right and what is wrong. Then I started just being myself and working on myself. Now the circumstances and people are drawn to me and I am feeling inspired to share my being and my thoughts... I am finding that there is a delicate balance between intruding upon their path and inspiring them. That is very situational. You can inspire by your smile, by your presence, by kind words, by just being. When people come to you for advise, you can also provide direct help. All the possibilities are open to us, we are the creators...
    "And when you have attained what Buddha had attained, then you shall be able to teach. Until then, it would be presumptuous to think oneself a God of others, for each part of God must teach itself Wink" I just said that to myself, for I feel the same way you do... and yet must control myself often. Teaching people is like telling a bad joke to a crowd. It never gets the reaction you so desire...

    Are your chakras balanced my brother? Have you connected with intelligent infinity? Where lies the Kundalini? Awakening is only the beginning of the long spiralling climb upwards.

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    12-29-2009, 01:31 AM
    (12-22-2009, 12:57 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Hey Ayadew, I sure would! I can't read enough about those mysterious chakras, and how to balance them.

    If chakras really are mysterious to you, how about a thread dedicated to "those mysterious chakras," where we can maybe clear up some of those mysteries for you?

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    12-29-2009, 05:06 AM
    (12-28-2009, 07:53 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: I did not say I do not care. I simply care enough to allow them their own path. Being here is proof of my great love.

    And none said you did not care except you, my friend. And none need the proof except you.
    Do as you wish with my interpretation. Heart

    Great Buddha quote there..

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    12-29-2009, 01:07 PM
    Thefool & Peregrinus, great back and forth dialog on the subject of 'helping' others polarize.

    If I may interject my opinion here, I feel that fundamentally speaking, worrying too much about making the harvest, percentages of polarization and helping people such as "Bob" is somewhat unhelpful in the grander scheme of things.

    When I first read about 4th density, graduation, and especially those confounded 51% / 95% figures, I was disconcerted as I think anyone would have been. Up to that point in my life I didn't even realize that any sort of larger spiritual graduation was taking place, much less any sort of 'grading' system as represented with percentages. This bothered me for a while and I was left wondering for months if I was doing what was "right" to enter 4th density positive. Worse, I was concerned that my friends and family wouldn't make it there with me and that some sort of discreet separation would eventually come down at the end of 2012 (being that I thought that was the end of the world date at the time- I no longer feel this way). The whole fiasco was a bit of a rough catalyst for me, mentally speaking.

    It was only over time and thoughtful mulling of the philosophy of the topic that I concluded that the best way to move forward (indeed, the only sane way in my view) is to simply be who I am to my fullest possible potential at all times. If I were to try any other avenue I would not be living the life of the person I am. For really, it is not in my interest to do anything else, for then I might enter or remain in a density that is not aligned with that representation of who I really am. I honestly am not even sure if I care too much about which density I go to / remain in next anymore. I just want to be who I am, and I want my environment to reflect that as purely as possible. If we take the analogy of grade school, imagine yourself as a math student who has just moved in to a new town / school system, and is being evaluated by the teachers for grade placement. You're at an in-between age where you could either go in to 3rd grade or 4th grade comfortably. It really just comes down to how well you know your math. Supposing you aren't great at math, would you really want to be put in to the 4th grade level? Surely not. It would be uncomfortable to you to say the least. But in 3rd grade you could flourish, really learn the lessons you need, and on the whole I'd bet you would enjoy your time much more. And of course the reverse is true to one who is good at math already. It's not a judgement of good or bad, advanced or devolved, smart or dumb, it's just where you happen to be at.

    As a result of this sort of thinking, once we move past the idea that 4th density is more desirable than 3rd, we can forget about this whole percentages / graduation thing entirely and get on being who we are.

    As for Bob, this is even more true since, as Bob is his own person with his own biases, chakra blockages or the lack thereof, personal relationships, attitudes, belief systems, pizza topping preferences and etc. etc. etc., who are we to interfere? Bob's higher self is much, much, much more capable of giving Bob the exact help he needs to make whatever larger metaphysical choices he may need. Now, perhaps it happens that Bob's higher self leads him to question you about metaphysical things, graduation, TLOO or whatever else. In that case please feel free to impart whatever wisdom you have for him (YOUR higher self may indeed be working with his, and through your physical mind/body/spirit complex deliver exactly what is needed.) But until that day, feel secure and trust that the infinite creator / infinite creation knows what to do. Bob will be fine where ever he may go.

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    12-29-2009, 01:40 PM (This post was last modified: 12-29-2009, 01:57 PM by thefool.)
    (12-28-2009, 07:53 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Teaching people is like telling a bad joke to a crowd. It never gets the reaction you so desire...

    I have had a remarkably different experience in sharing my information and experiences with people. It has been very positive and fulfilling. I never consider that as teaching them. That connotes the impression of putting myself on a pedestal. That is just not me. I am not going in with an idea of fixing them or something is wrong with their lives or they are living in sin. It is always very situational. Someone need some advise, someone is feeling stuck or in bad relationship, bad job situation etc and I tell them how I would go about doing it. I never throw the book at them. Of course what I am going to say has the elements of Law of One and finding a loving approach. People find it practical and they come back really appreciative. Recently a friend died young and I felt pulled to talk about the death not being The End and the life continues and the form changes etc. I am not an accomplished public speaker but people came to me later on and said how it had helped them. When in a meeting I visualize my heart connected to all the other hearts in the room and the universal love showering on all of us together. When in a marketplace I am genuinely kind and smiling to people. I get more love and smiles back. So no big things but small practical things in everyday living. So maybe that explains why I have an optimistic outlook about my approach.

    I think you have to be a good listener first. The people have to trust you and it has to come from your own life experiences. Then only it will hit home. And you can never force it on them. It is just another option in the mix and then it is their free will to accept it or reject it. It does not make me upset if they ignore me. This is all good. I am doing my job and what I am supposed to be doing and they are doing their.

    I hope this explains my perspective...Smile
    (12-29-2009, 01:07 PM)Lavazza Wrote: As for Bob, this is even more true since, as Bob is his own person with his own biases, chakra blockages or the lack thereof, personal relationships, attitudes, belief systems, pizza topping preferences and etc. etc. etc., who are we to interfere? Bob's higher self is much, much, much more capable of giving Bob the exact help he needs to make whatever larger metaphysical choices he may need. Now, perhaps it happens that Bob's higher self leads him to question you about metaphysical things, graduation, TLOO or whatever else. In that case please feel free to impart whatever wisdom you have for him (YOUR higher self may indeed be working with his, and through your physical mind/body/spirit complex deliver exactly what is needed.) But until that day, feel secure and trust that the infinite creator / infinite creation knows what to do. Bob will be fine where ever he may go.

    Very well said. I completely agree.

    I think I am speaking more regarding 'that day' when Bob is asking me. And it does seems to be happening around me more and more...

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    12-29-2009, 02:19 PM
    Hey Lavazza, thanks for formulating what I couldn't!

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    12-29-2009, 04:28 PM
    (12-29-2009, 01:07 PM)Lavazza Wrote: When I first read about 4th density, graduation, and especially those confounded 51% / 95% figures, I was disconcerted as I think anyone would have been. Up to that point in my life I didn't even realize that any sort of larger spiritual graduation was taking place, much less any sort of 'grading' system as represented with percentages. This bothered me for a while and I was left wondering for months if I was doing what was "right" to enter 4th density positive. Worse, I was concerned that my friends and family wouldn't make it there with me and that some sort of discreet separation would eventually come down at the end of 2012 (being that I thought that was the end of the world date at the time- I no longer feel this way). The whole fiasco was a bit of a rough catalyst for me, mentally speaking.

    On one level I realize that all is well. We have ALL already made it to the intelligent infinity. That is why our higher-selves are there available for us as a help. So no problem. It is all a big game, a fun game. Where there are very few rules and so much more variety. I take it more like a game. Excited enough to play but not the end of the world if we lose/win. The life goes on. So in that perspective, I am not too worried but still playing my role in the game. If you take the example from NFL- I run my routes equally hard (I try to) on every single play. when, if at all, a ball is thrown my way then I try to catch it and then score a touch down. It is not my job to game plan but I do provide inputs to the coaches, quarterbacks and be a good spirit in the locker room. Sometimes I do pull a player closer to me and ask him to pull up or concentrate. Sometimes I do yell at my team emotionally for them to fight to win. Not because I am afraid but because we all want to be and do our best. And they implicitly expect me to do that. I would like my team to make the play-offs and win the championship. If they don't I will keep working hard for it...

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