dual bodied and ayahuasca/time dilation

[Oceania]

binaural beats are awesome. what is Gnaural? i listen to youtube.

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i just read this entire thread, it's got some good info in it.

[Edinburgh]

Gnaural, as I said in my post, is a way to produce your own binaural beats. (Although this process is quite technical, I wouldn't recommend it if you are not familiar with audio engineering software.)

[Sagittarius]

Yes, nice links Edinburgh.

I have to clarify my position here. I edited my original post..

If you consider yourself a wanderer, wanting to have an experience is fine, but I can only support B4th's position by saying that you shouldn't be hoping to find what you're looking for through psychedelics. You came here to aid the planet, and work with yourself by way of the veil.

When I said the psychedelic revolution was useful, I meant it was useful to 3d beings to break out of certain dogmas. I believe them to be a tool for 3d beings. The spiritual philosophies and truths gleaned from THEIR experiences, were helpful to creating a more open and diverse culture. The body of knowledge available to all is useful.

Of course, wanderers are the main contributing factor here.

As a wanderer, you have to be coming from a place within yourself that you know who you are and what is out of balance, while actively working towards balance before even coming close to deciding to have an experience. They are neither good or bad in the greater sense (with exception to the obvious ones that you should not do), but if you choose to have an experience, you must learn to accept and integrate what you discover.

You think to much. If the idea of taking a certain drug excites you then that means you should take it. They are what you make it. If you have a bad experience then it was meant to be so, a good one ditto. I found exactly what I was looking for with every drug I have taken, If I don't then I simply lose the urge to ever take it again.

The policy of bring the 4th is quite hypocritical really, especially when you consider Carla had taken LSD before. To deny the discussion of drugs is akin to denying the discussion of existence and to me is just another lie created from fear.

[Oceania]

it's not denied. but we shouldn't encourage people to take them without caution either.

[Aaron]

Yes, nice links Edinburgh.

I have to clarify my position here. I edited my original post..

If you consider yourself a wanderer, wanting to have an experience is fine, but I can only support B4th's position by saying that you shouldn't be hoping to find what you're looking for through psychedelics. You came here to aid the planet, and work with yourself by way of the veil.

When I said the psychedelic revolution was useful, I meant it was useful to 3d beings to break out of certain dogmas. I believe them to be a tool for 3d beings. The spiritual philosophies and truths gleaned from THEIR experiences, were helpful to creating a more open and diverse culture. The body of knowledge available to all is useful.

Of course, wanderers are the main contributing factor here.

As a wanderer, you have to be coming from a place within yourself that you know who you are and what is out of balance, while actively working towards balance before even coming close to deciding to have an experience. They are neither good or bad in the greater sense (with exception to the obvious ones that you should not do), but if you choose to have an experience, you must learn to accept and integrate what you discover.

You think to much. If the idea of taking a certain drug excites you then that means you should take it. They are what you make it. If you have a bad experience then it was meant to be so, a good one ditto. I found exactly what I was looking for with every drug I have taken, If I don't then I simply lose the urge to ever take it again.

The policy of bring the 4th is quite hypocritical really, especially when you consider Carla had taken LSD before. To deny the discussion of drugs is akin to denying the discussion of existence and to me is just another lie created from fear.

The discuss the drug guideline here on bring the 4th says:

9) Many if not all of us have had – or know someone who has had – experience with drugs. We have likely seen at first hand both the joys and the sorrows of drugs: the memorable moments of communing in the open heart with others; the destruction of self and/or others caused or exacerbated by drugs; and, at its best but perhaps most suspect, the spiritual insight and understanding that variably results.

We ask that the following guidelines be honored when speaking about drugs:

a) That the means of creating, obtaining, or distributing any illegal substance (whether it “should” be illegal or not) be left completely off of the public discussion table.

b) That any and all discussion of drug use be placed within the larger context of spiritual evolution. For better or worse, how does a particular drug, or drugs in general, affect your spiritual evolution? What role have drugs played in the spiritual evolution of humankind? What part did your positive and/or negative experiences with drugs have in your own spiritual evolution?

c) That use of illegal drugs never be promoted to other members as a means for evolving, healing, growing, improving, etc. Members may report of their own experiences, but are not permitted to suggest to any other member that such experiences may be replicated. It will always remain to the reader’s discrimination whether any particular drug is worthy of further consideration. No one is ever to be persuaded, swayed, won over, or influenced to change their own perspective on drugs through any means other than the sharing of ones own perspective with no motive save to share the experience.

Notably, in the dozen or so instances where the Confederation has been questioned in channeling sessions at L/L Research through the years, their answer has always been that there are unintended negative consequences that invariably accompany the use of drugs. They suggest progressing naturally.

The bolded parts are the most important... Essentially, don't go around talking about how to make or buy/sell them. Don't forget the spiritual base and purpose of discussing them here on Bring4th. And don't decide that another person should take drugs for them. If those three guidelines are followed, then we keep it clean and can still discuss about drugs and our experiences with them. In no way does this guideline censor a member's ability to speak about drugs.

Censorship has been a recurring theme between mods and members lately... Me no likey.

Speaking to your idea of the hypocritical nature of this guideline in light of Carla's past experience - that makes a (pretty common I've noticed) assumption that Carla's experience is tied into Bring4th in a way that makes Carla's life a role model for the forum and all its participants. Where does that thought come from, I wonder?

It also makes the assumption that Carla's experience with LSD was somehow a crucial part of her spiritual evolution or the existence of this forum - or that it led to where we are now in some way that makes it hypocritical to have a drug guideline on the forums. I don't really understand that either...

I'm not trying to express personal frustration with you, Sagittarius. I'm just expressing my thoughts and confusion on the matter.

[Oceania]

i just don't understand how anyone can tell another person a drug could be beneficial for them, when indeed everyone reacts differently and the drugs we get illegally aren't even reliable. it's foolish imo. the over glorification of drugs is usually in frustration of the war on drugs. why not just chill and view drugs objectively, without vilifying or promoting them? which is what the guidelines ask. it's a healthy balance.

[kdsii]

Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic, sort of like LSD or DMT, but not exactly.
It's used in religious S. American ceremonies in some cultures.
Supposed to be an amazing spiritual experience.

Time dilation? Waiting on a bus in the dead of summer. Time STOPS.

I don't know Ayahusca is. ( Red hot chili peppers? Blame it on the ayahusca?)

Time dilation?

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I use binaurals all the time.
They help me get into the right mental state, soothing.
I'd recommend researching these to just about anyone.

binaural beats are awesome. what is Gnaural? i listen to youtube.

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i just read this entire thread, it's got some good info in it.

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Yeah, I was never a big fan of mj, but the experience was mind-blowing, maybe too much.
But knowing that there's perception far beyond what you normally detect? I think that never having such an experience is a lie to yourself.

lolololololol

On a more serious note: marijuana helped me alot, my spiritual journey began by me flinging a barbeque lighter into my eye when I was high and me praying to be healed, I felt what I later found out was kundalini and ever since then I started getting interested in spirituality and getting high alone in order to enter deep states of meditation. If you guys had bad trips or don't want to challenge the stigma placed on psychoactive substances by society, religion, and significant others then thats fine but I don't think it's fair to discourage other people from taking the chance to glimpse a truer reality, a glimpse which could mean the difference between being on a spiritual path and not being on one.

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Can you write some of your findings? And the beats that seem to work for you?
I'm on a similar journey, and these help me.
Thanks!

An update -- Instead of continuing with Ayahuasca, I went on to spend more time with the binaural beats from Monroe, and then later started producing my own using Gnaural software.

The reason I didn't go further with the Ayahuasca was primarily due to learning more about intuition and the developing of such.

Tom Campbell has a lot of material about this (whole lectures on youtube and his books are all free) and the holographic nature of reality, all based on hard science, fact and empirical results - primarily from the quantum mechanics point of view. Anyway, Tom is also one of the original Monroe researchers, and is a pioneer of the Out of Body experience, but without using any substances, just via binaural trance/ meditation. He strongly suggested not using any more psychadelics to go out of body, because it was so hard to control the experience. He said it was a good thing to do once or twice, to experience the 'grand picture' and raise curiosity, but if you could access all that withOUT the substances, and still retain some sense of control, the whole experience could be more beneficial, in terms of spiritual growth.

Anyway, this is what I have been doing. It's harder to do. It's much closer to meditation.

It seems to be working. I have had glimpses of OOB ... I have had strong results in other areas too.

The binaural beats - if done properly - are really helpful I feel.

[AnthroHeart]

Once when I smoked some DMT, I found myself on a spacecraft, overlooking a planet. I don't recall much, but I did see their instrument panel. I think it was a UFO I was on board.