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    Thread: Field of Consciousness explained


    Shin'Ar

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    09-10-2012, 09:31 AM
    here is the piece I wanted GWV to see.

    In his Ask Any Question thread he responded to one of my questions which I would like to continue here so as not to derail that thread.

    He had remarked on the aspects of field of consciousness which I thought, to my understanding of it, was absolutely stunning. Not so much for the very precision revealed in it, but also that it is undeniable evidence, to me, that the one I know as Jaka, has access to an ancient field through which he is able to relay such precise information. It would be impossible for one of such young age to have been able to come to such extreme understanding of such things without having "prior' knowledge of it.

    Below is the piece of that post which I would like him to elaborate further on, and I hope to be able to go through that post in further detail of it all as this thread progresses.

    However for now, he will know what the purpose of this beginning portion of this thread is for.


    (09-08-2012, 09:57 PM)godwide_void Wrote: "However, it must be understood that the physical surroundings which any field navigates through is not generated by any one specific individual lower field. Rather, the field of consciousness overlaps and interfaces with the mass shared illusory 3rd density physical environment. In this way are the individual's daily experiences and circumstances able to regionally coincide with one's vibrational distortions and align with the greater metaphysical processes which governs things such as the general flow of one's day, the synchronicities which will manifest, and the various future timeline probabilities and possibilities which are configured with each passing moment and action performed."


    I emphasize 'future probabilities' here for further discussion at this time.

    The post made in His questions thread post # 279

    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...30&page=14

    was a work of perfected understanding.

    I hope to use this thread as a means to further speculate on what was said in that post pasted in below.


    (09-08-2012, 09:57 PM)godwide_void Wrote: "The field of consciousness which surrounds the physical vehicle is the individuated energy which spawns from the One Infinite Creator as a portion of Its awareness. Each individual root field of consciousness is in its energetic nature electromagnetic, etheric, and is comprised of and generates vibration of varying frequencies.

    Contained within this localized permeating and encompassing field is the sum total of all experiences which this individual field has undergone, including all past incarnational memories, past identities, all thoughts which have manifested from this field, the current incarnational blueprint of the field assuming the field is currently in physical incarnation, all emanations of this field, all information and data which this field has accumulated and generated since the very moment the Creator manifested it to its present point in its evolution is stored within this field. It is predominately through this field whereby the physical and mental components of an entity are connected to the Creator. Awareness of the true identity, both as the base identity as the One Infinite Creator and the individualized collective identity which this field has devised based upon the various distortions it has accumulated over its entire existence and may now identify with remains embedded within the storage of the field.

    Each field of consciousness is entirely a lower derivative of the supreme singular field of consciousness which contains all fields. However, one of the most significant factors which sets apart any currently evolving field from the consciousness of its Creator is the fact that each field holds unique and distinct qualities and/or roles attributed to that field.

    For example, if a field of consciousness has lengthy experience with architecture, and the field of consciousness finds that it most resonates with experiences and distortions most closely aligned with this activity distortion, then the current physical incarnation which the field of consciousness would manifest itself as would most likely lead a life which is programmed to further refine its architectural experiences and knowledge, and the physical representation of the field would then be able to gain access to all previous experiences associated with this activity, draw upon it either consciously in the cases of adepts or subconsciously in the cases of most, and apply this stored information towards pursuing such an endeavor. This explains the circumstances where an individual holds a deep affinity for a certain subject, or is born with 'natural talents/gifts', or is able to accomplish certain things without extensive training; information pertaining to this area is already stored within the individual's field of consciousness, thus it would appear that one may become a master of their respective study or interest without ever having appeared to have taken a long and arduous role as a student.

    Each individual's surrounding panoramic field of consciousness is manifest as being spherical, although this is a vague approximation as the field is more accurately a formless wave, and can generally be understood to comprise one's entire spectrum of awareness or field of vision, extending outwards in all directions. The metaphysical reality of each individual is designed and programmed moment by moment within their respect fields, and the perceivable reality is generated by the field. However, it must be understood that the physical surroundings which any field navigates through is not generated by any one specific individual lower field. Rather, the field of consciousness overlaps and interfaces with the mass shared illusory 3rd density physical environment. In this way are the individual's daily experiences and circumstances able to regionally coincide with one's vibrational distortions and align with the greater metaphysical processes which governs things such as the general flow of one's day, the synchronicities which will manifest, and the various future timeline probabilities and possibilities which are configured with each passing moment and action performed.

    The physical component of the field of consciousness is the recipient and observant participant of all the programming which the sovereign guiding field performs. The functioning of the operations of seemingly distant mental influencing or the manifestation of thoughts do not originate or operate within the physical vehicle but take place within the field of consciousness. When two or more fields of consciousness are in immediate proximity to one another, or have established some type of communication with one another via the manifestations of those fields, it is entirely possible for the fields of consciousness to interact even when the physical vehicles do not. When an individual intuitively senses the intentions, emotions, orientation or general thoughts of others in the vicinity, this is resultant of his field overlapping with the fields of others, and arises under the assumption that the individual possess a certain degree of spiritual awareness. This is an example of the interaction between fields of consciousnesses without physical interaction but while in close proximity.

    In reference to the interaction of fields through manifestations wherein some portion of the field's essence is contained within the manifestation, the most relevant and optimal example would be the writings or postings of an individual on the internet such as is found on this forum, and the case where an individual may once again, through the venue of intuition, come to sense the intentions and purpose held by another field when creating a post. For instance, if there was an emotional charge or ulterior motive present within the individual which accompanied the creation of a post, it would be entirely possible, and is a highly frequent occurrence, for this energy to carry over into one's written manifestations and become intuitively detected by others, especially when there is no obvious indication present within the manifestation but nevertheless certain information becomes "known". This is higher interaction between fields of consciousness without even being in close proximity but through the "footprint" left behind by a field or its energetic signature.

    It is true that within this field there exist opposing magnetic poles of positive and negative which are typically manifest as the right and left sides of one's vehicle respectively. For entities which are polarized positively and entities which may be characterized as unpolarized through their fluctuation in polarity or orientation, the right side of one's vehicle is designated as positive and the left side is deemed negative. However, it is very often due to the circumstance of the significant inversion of the polarity of an entity which would invariably cause the entity to perceive the negative side/indicators as positive and the positive side/indicators as negative.

    Supplementary information regarding the field of consciousness in relation to the physical manifestation would be that although the awareness of the field is funneled through the physical eyes, the awareness of the field itself is not merely confined to what may be tangibly perceived. The distortions and agendas of the field of consciousness are also translated through the actions and life movement of the physical vehicle, as well as translating itself in the greater sense via all circumstances and experiences which the physical vehicle becomes subject to.

    The most direct means of accessing and greater interfacing with one's field of consciousness is through the control panel which is the mind. It is via the process of meditation whereby the mental may interface with the spiritual and the field of consciousness may be actively accessed through the mental, and once communication has been established, greater conscious control over the operation of programming the incarnational experience is achieved and one may have greater say in the metaphysical deliberations of the field of consciousness.

    However, it is foolhardy to believe that one may gain supreme and unwavering control over the circumstantial manifestations of one's reality, for as long as an entity retains any distortions, these will be in queue for manifestation in the incarnation and color all subsequent circumstances which arise, especially in the case of habits adopted by a field's egoically-driven physical manifestation which are viewed in the greater sense as counterproductive, self-destructive or are distortions which no longer have any place in the field's design for the incarnation. For example, if one sought to accumulate mass wealth or power, but at the same time the individual held the distortion of being greedy or was extremely lazy, the original ultimate goal would be superseded by circumstances where every opportunity to achieve power were thwarted by one's plans backfiring due to immense greed, or of the plans never coming to fruition due to instances where one's decision to embrace laziness in the tipping point of the experiences overrode the probability of the timeline of the achievement of wealth being entered at that moment. In this example the factor of elements which literally inhibit or work against the original intended manifestation are present, and this is the single most common circumstance for the difficulty some profess in regards to why their thoughts or desires do not achieve manifestation.

    However, it can be extrapolated that if the individual rid themselves of counterproductive distortions and thus refined themselves to a point where they were in perfect alignment with the focus, distortions and ultimate agenda for the course of the incarnation by the field of consciousness which holds dominion over its lower manifested counterpart, then it goes without saying that a positive co-operation between the lower form and the higher form would manifest and be mutually beneficial and harmonious overall.

    It must be noted that while each individual field of consciousness has its own unique identity and possesses a higher dimensional representation of it, each field is still intimately bound to the One Infinite Creator, although this is not to say that each field does not come equipped with its own biases and personal agendas, and the ultimate goal of any field in incarnation cannot be discerned by any except the individual which is manifest within that incarnation.

    Each and every individual field of consciousness serves the Creator, and yet the manner of that service and the personal relationship each field holds with the supreme parent field varies substantially. Just as in a family of several children, each child will possess their own purpose for being birthed, their own perspectives regarding the parents, and will have developed their own unique relationship with the parents.

    So too is the relationship between each particular field of consciousness and the One Infinite Creator in an incarnational experience partially dependent upon the perspectives and experiences which molded the relationship between them. As such, each fields will possess a different set of guidelines to follow, a different sub-plan or purpose of the Creator's total plan to bring to fruition, different roles to play, and will conduct themselves in manners that will never exactly mimic the path tread by any other. The ultimate purpose of each field's existence is typically unknown within the incarnation although one may manage to access the information stored within the field pertaining to the totality of all incarnations held by the field which will directly provide the knowledge of or basis for concluding as to what purpose the current incarnation was designed for. Even then, due to the nature of the veil regardless of whether one manages to access the field, there exists a limitation to the extent and nature of information which may be relayed and processed and thus such gnosis is fed incrementally and in portions deemed acceptable to the receptive capabilities of the lower incarnational counterpart of the field. "

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    09-11-2012, 02:05 PM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2012, 07:22 PM by godwide_void.)
    I thank you for your very kind acknowledgements, Shin'Ar. As you wish, I may attempt to go into further detail on the portion of my post which you presented in regards to the statement you emphasized.

    Quote:
    Quote:However, it must be understood that the physical surroundings which any field navigates through is not generated by any one specific individual lower field. Rather, the field of consciousness overlaps and interfaces with the mass shared illusory 3rd density physical environment. In this way are the individual's daily experiences and circumstances able to regionally coincide with one's vibrational distortions and align with the greater metaphysical processes which governs things such as the general flow of one's day, the synchronicities which will manifest, and the various future timeline probabilities and possibilities which are configured with each passing moment and action performed.

    I emphasize 'future probabilities' here for further discussion at this time.

    What should be considered when stating the manifestation of varying future probabilities in relation to the actions which precede these choices is that the concept of time should be subsided and a set designation of what constitutes the passage of time should not be attributed to the existence of any moment, for as I have conveyed to you in great detail in my ONE INFINITE CREATOR visual portrait thread, in each moment there is an overlapping of "past", "present" and "future".

    To recap, consider that I experienced every letter I typed just now as their own "present" moment. As soon as the moment where I typed the letter unfolded, it immediately became the "past" moment. Prior to the conception of the "present" moment, the subsequent moments which I was yet to perceive or thrust myself into the experience of was designated as a "future" moment simply because they had not yet occurred and the horizon of experience was yet still clear and undisturbed or filled with that particular version of my being which undertook the action which led to that moment.

    I ask you Shin'Ar: As I typed the words "as I typed the words", how many "present" moments did I experience? There was a "present" in the instant before I began typing out each letter. There was a "present" moment when I performed the muscle movement that caused my finger to type each letter. There were many "present" moments that occurred which each millimeter closer my finger came to the keys. As soon as my finger hit the key, a "present" moment occurred where I had hit the key. Then, a "present" moment occurred as the corresponding letter appeared on the screen.

    Now, how many "past" moments occurred in the above process? As soon as the moment passed where I performed the movement of shifting my finger into motion, the "present" moment which that moment was designated instantly transformed into a "past" moment. With each millimeter closer that my finger came to hitting the keys in the keyboard, those "present" moments became "past" moments as soon as progress was made by my finger. After a letter was pressed, the "present" moment where the actual pressing of the key occurred became a "past" moment as soon as my finger came off the key, and I began anew the process of typing out more letters.

    Now, how many "future" moments occurred in the above process? In the "present" moment which was yet to become a "past" moment there existed several possible reactionary actions which could have followed each motion that constituted the event of "typing out letters on a keyboard". In the "present" moment where I began moving my finger, there existed a possible timeline where my finger could have hit any number of keys on my keyboard. However, at the "present" time my finger was still progressing towards making contact with any of the keys, the experience of the moment where I actually hit the keys had not yet occurred. Thus, this yet to manifest experience would come to be known to me as a "future" moment, as it had not occurred yet, and yet it is included in the set of future timeline probabilities for me because it directly correlates to the action I had set in motion. As you can see, every "present" moment in that process is exactly the same as every "past" moment and every "future" moment is still a "present" moment which has yet to unfold and become a "past" moment.

    The present is the past moment which is no longer considered a possible future, and is not yet a past moment until it has unfolded. The future is a present which has not yet become a past as it has not yet become a present moment. The past was a present moment which was once considered a future moment before occurring but unfolded and thus became a past after experiencing itself as a present, but is no longer considered a present or future moment because it already experienced itself as being a future and a present.

    The nature of "future timeline probabilities" is logically progressive and directly correlates to the most reasonable consequences/reactions which may arise given any set action. For instance, there was no future timeline probability where my typing a key on my keyboard directly led to my eyeball turning into green ooze, but there was a future timeline probability, the most likely ones, where I continued typing out each subsequent letter that comprised the word I intended to manifest. Less likely future timeline probabilities include the notion that I might break off my post typing to get up and use the bathroom, or even less likely is that, in the middle of typing out a word, I decide I want to begin breakdancing or close the Bring4th window to look for a plane ticket to travel to Hawaii. The less distortions which an individual possesses, the more confined will one's future timeline probabilities be. If I was a very sporadic and impulsive person who could not help but breakdance randomly, then, based on these distortions of mine, these above example timelines would be more probably to occur in my future. However, seeing as how I am not predisposed to either, these probable timelines do not exist for me as possible or potential future/soon to be present/yet to be past moments.

    What governs the probability of what lies in one's possible continuum of momentary experiences in consciousness is the field of consciousness which constantly programs the circumstances and experiences which the physical representation of the field in incarnation undergoes.

    In the house I am currently in, I am experiencing the unique experience of being able to subconsciously draw upon the stores of my consciousness to aid me in providing information while posting on the internet. If I was manifest by a field which did not have the same distortions as mine has, for instance a family member of mine, then the future timeline probabilities which may occur, while overlaid in the same physical environment, would manifest as an entirely different set of probabilities. For instance, my mother would share with me the timeline probability of using the computer. However, given our differing distortions which provide us with different possible experiences to spend our moments experiencing, her future timeline probability of what website she would browse would be a Brasilian website while browsing Bring4th is a timeline probability of mine. Her and I exist in the same physical environment, and yet, given our particular fields of consciousness, the programming of circumstances and moments for us to experience is unique to each one of us, thus resulting in an entirely subjective yet overlapping experience of reality. Whereas she maintains the distortion of a belief in a portioned flow of time, my perception allows me to realize the illusory nature of time, thus I situate myself more in a paradigm of a timeless traversing through a spatial experience wherein each minute action is a point which allows me the opportunity for conscious reality selection and thus the management of a building of moments which are most preferable to be experienced as possible moments.

    One final question: how many "past", "present", and "future" moments occurred while I was creating the post above, and how many "future" timeline probabilities manifest for me? Don't forget to factor in the moments where I hit the key, each millimeter my finger moved, the moments where I inhaled and exhaled, etc. and correlate them to the appropriate possible experiences I could had allowed my "present" moments to unfold into and became a "past" moment by doing so. Tongue
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    09-11-2012, 08:02 PM
    Is the future really a matter of predisposition?

    What if as you are typing you have a stroke, and what you would have been predisposed to type never happens?

    Also what about the influence of your field causing you to type things that your temporary human form may not be predisposed to even know?

    Is that not the whole idea of channeling information from a higher field?

    It seems that this process you are speaking of which involves the instantaneous performance of past, present,future, is actually just the natural process of present action becoming past as soon as it occurs. In that instant I realizew there is a blending where present becomes past, but I still do not see how that blending can be applied to events which have not even yet occurred.

    Anything can happen in that instant, which means that any number of possible results can occur, but none shall manifest until the event takes place.

    That unknown element of possibility is what I refer to as the future.

    Am I wrong in assuming that what you are referring to as future is actually just the process of an action taking place in the present, regardless of how instantaneous it is?

    There is no event that can take place so instantaneously that it actually becomes the present second in such a way that the endless possibilities are removed by disposition.

    as long as any resulting possibility remains unmanifest until the actual occurrence, then that future remains unknown awaiting the occurrence and its result, regardless of how instantly any such thing might happen.

    No event can happen with such instance that it supersedes the possibilities/results that various choices of action would have.

    I am sensing that this has something to do with what I often refer to as The Process of being, but I am just too confused at this time to put it together.

    I still intend to study what you and Azreal are offering here, in much greater depth of thought, and seek to find some aspect fo what you are thinking that might lead me into further understanding.

    I am open to learning, and always seek after new information.

    But I must be able to comprehend what is offered. If I cannot manage to comprehend it, it simply means that you may have understanding of a matter that is beyond my ability to comprehend.

    But I can only work with the tools I am given at this time. So bear with my questions if you would, and don't get caught in the trap of seeing my continual dissecting as arrogance or desire to argue.

    I seek knowledge and wisdom.

    Would it be wise for me to simply accept anything that is offered to me without thoroughly discerning it? No, and so I will plug away until it becomes obvious that I will not be able to gather what you offer, or until such a time as I finally do come to understand the things you are saying.





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    09-11-2012, 08:33 PM
    Where in time lies dreams and the imagination?
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    Shin'Ar, I believe you are sufficiently capable of grasping this. However, I perceive you are over-complicating things. This is extremely simple: THERE IS NO TIME.

    Do not attempt to rationalize or over-analyze this now. I suggest you seek within in meditation with this focus in mind, and allow intuition to "show" you what is, how it is, why it is. Once you have perceived an ascertained this truth within the very heart of your being, you may then begin to extrapolate this concept of simultaneity into more "logical" approaches.

    Firstly, however, seek to know it from within.

    And do not feel discouraged, for even at the 7th density, the mind/body/spirit complex totality is seeking to learn the timelessness of the One Infinite Creator (hence, the Law of Foreverness—or Eternity, Timelessness, Infinity—, which is the principal lesson of the violet-ray vibratory spectrum).

    PS: And remember, confusion precedes illumination (and illumination is a cumulative process throughout this octave of Creation).
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    09-11-2012, 09:21 PM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2012, 09:31 PM by Sagittarius.)
    (09-11-2012, 08:33 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Where in time lies dreams and the imagination?

    I guess that is up to the dreamer/thinker.

    One can imagine something in the future and it will always be in the future, likewise interpret dreams as the future or the past.

    When one brings there imagination/dreams into the present moment they bridge the gap between body and soul with the mind. Imagination becomes something done in the moment to express the moment without the boundaries of the ego.

    I imagine the mind as a bridge between body and soul, isn't it the mind of a being that develops? A rock has a body and a soul always but has no mind, an animal has a body and soul but a less aware mind and so the evolution continues. Creation could be viewed as a continuing developing mind into more and more complex body's with the soul balancing it out, so even though it seams the field of consciousness is gaining complexity it will always be balanced out with the oneness of the soul.
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    09-12-2012, 12:51 AM (This post was last modified: 09-12-2012, 01:00 AM by godwide_void.)
    (09-11-2012, 08:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Is the future really a matter of predisposition?

    What if as you are typing you have a stroke, and what you would have been predisposed to type never happens?

    Also what about the influence of your field causing you to type things that your temporary human form may not be predisposed to even know?

    Is that not the whole idea of channeling information from a higher field?

    It seems that this process you are speaking of which involves the instantaneous performance of past, present,future, is actually just the natural process of present action becoming past as soon as it occurs. In that instant I realizew there is a blending where present becomes past, but I still do not see how that blending can be applied to events which have not even yet occurred.

    Anything can happen in that instant, which means that any number of possible results can occur, but none shall manifest until the event takes place.

    That unknown element of possibility is what I refer to as the future.

    Am I wrong in assuming that what you are referring to as future is actually just the process of an action taking place in the present, regardless of how instantaneous it is?

    The context I am using future in does not in any way negate or attempt to go counter to your grasp of the future. Regardless of predisposition or present actions taken, the future exists as the proceeding moments unpeeling as layers as one progresses through a series of present moments which then transfigure into past moments. However, as I am applying the term "future", I am attempting to convey to you to not merely consider the "future" as a portioned off section which occurs in a far off timeframe, but to realize that this unknown element of possibility manifests in every moment as every moment which lies beyond every present moment.

    Quote:There is no event that can take place so instantaneously that it actually becomes the present second in such a way that the endless possibilities are removed by disposition.

    as long as any resulting possibility remains unmanifest until the actual occurrence, then that future remains unknown awaiting the occurrence and its result, regardless of how instantly any such thing might happen.

    No event can happen with such instance that it supersedes the possibilities/results that various choices of action would have.

    What are you constituting as an event that apparently cannot take place instantaneously? Is not the act of typing an instantaneous event which is viewed as the present moment the instant you engage in it? What many consider the "present" moment appears to be perceived as an entire collection of moments referring to the duration of an entire event. What I am proposing is to penetrate deeper and realize that if one were to examine the momentary continuum of events at the basest level, one would need to recalculate the consideration of such timeframes.

    You may consider the entire typing of a post a "present" moment. Rather, it is a vast collective of moments. The past, to me right now in a somewhat distant sense, was my typing of the word "You" at the beginning of this paragraph. My immediate past is every single letter which manifested before every letter I just typed, and the very immediate past in several moments will be my typing of the letter immediately before the period of this sentence's end. This was an instantaneous event which funneled down the vastness of possibilities the more and more I acted in a way which manifested the set generation of certain words and ideas.

    The future which remains unknown which awaits occurrence, the variation of possibilities which may become manifest, in my reality, are the potential words which I will type out by the end of this message. I as of yet do not know what shall be written, and yet with each present moment which passes, I am slowly jettisoning myself to a more and more certain position in regards to what future probability will manifest. This entire paragraph was still an unknown possibility at the time which I was writing the above paragraph, however this once unknown possible future has become manifest and as a result, each present moment I dedicated towards the collective event of "typing out this particular post" has passed, and the future of this post has occurred, and it is now a set manifestation, and the actions I took to manifest this post are now a past occurrence.

    Quote:I am sensing that this has something to do with what I often refer to as The Process of being, but I am just too confused at this time to put it together.

    I still intend to study what you and Azreal are offering here, in much greater depth of thought, and seek to find some aspect fo what you are thinking that might lead me into further understanding.

    I am open to learning, and always seek after new information.

    But I must be able to comprehend what is offered. If I cannot manage to comprehend it, it simply means that you may have understanding of a matter that is beyond my ability to comprehend.

    But I can only work with the tools I am given at this time. So bear with my questions if you would, and don't get caught in the trap of seeing my continual dissecting as arrogance or desire to argue.

    I seek knowledge and wisdom.

    Would it be wise for me to simply accept anything that is offered to me without thoroughly discerning it? No, and so I will plug away until it becomes obvious that I will not be able to gather what you offer, or until such a time as I finally do come to understand the things you are saying.

    You are well aware that I would never misunderstand your desire for clarification and refined understanding of the information I share with you as being arrogance or a heated debate, and I am more than happy to work with you and continue providing you with as many explanations as needed to satisfy your approach towards fully grasping these concepts without distortion or difficulty.

    In truth, what I was attempting to convey to you in my long-winded insight regarding the overlapping nature of past, present and future, is to realize that such considerations will reveal themselves as illusory when one ponders the above examples I gave. Designating the beginning, duration and ending of any one event as "the present" would be based on criteria which does not take into consideration the true meaning of a "present" moment.

    You described in the other thread that in my discourses I was referring instead to "the ongoing process of the prevent". In this, it appears that you are extending the "present" moment to many moments. What I am attempting to get across is that if you were to truly refer to a moment, you would have to factor in that every millisecond is a moment, and every millisecond which you are existing, will unfold towards a future which, while in the immediate sense may be easily known (my immediate future possibilities are set in the continuation of my typing of this post), the further future possibilities remain unknown and are much farther away from achieving manifested occurrence than my immediate future, as I will not know how every detail of my day will unfold tomorrow for instance, but the future probabilities of what may occur are not impossible for me to discern as I have a good idea of how my day will unfold based on my drawing upon the knowledge that I will be in the same circumstances I was in today, but this only provides a general idea of how my possible future tomorrow will unfold.

    Do not consider the future and the past to merely refer to periods of time which happened "a long time ago". You are simply choosing to categorize the furthest manifested or unmanifest events with these terms while ignoring the fact of the immediate nature of these terms true designations. I will ask you Shin'Ar, to look back on your entire day and tell me how many present, past, and future moments occurred? Is not your awakening in the morning now a "past" moment, and in the morning, wasn't your reply to this post of mine still an unmanifest future possibility?

    When your being placed itself into the existential nexus where the once obscure future probability of creating a reply to this thread became an immediate reality to select, was not your insertion into that timeline where you created your post a present moment? And immediately before you began typing the post, was the present moment not your sitting down at the computer, followed by the present moments of typing Bring4th.org into the web browser and logging in? Now, while you were logging in, wasn't the creation of your reply a yet unmanifest future, and your action of opening the web page now a past moment? As you progressed through each moment with the intention of manifesting a reply, didn't you gradually chisel down the number of future probabilities which could have become manifest? Indeed, was not every single minuscule action you took today an unmanifest future moment which occurred, becoming a present moment, and unfolded, instantly becoming a past moment?

    When you apply the application of past, present and future to the flow of mere seconds, the greater grasping of the notion that such designations are constantly overlapping and circumstantially interchangeable arises. Our experience then begins to be more situated in a more spatially-oriented paradigm sustained by the embracing of a timeless awareness. Every present moment was once an unknown future possibility and as soon as you experienced the present moment, it became a past moment. All moments can be deemed as having fit the criteria to be classified into any of these time frame terms, and as such, all time is truly an illusory phenomenon constructed by the perceiver.

    I hope I have been able to provide greater clarification on this matter to you. Smile
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    (09-11-2012, 09:18 PM)Siren Wrote: Shin'Ar, I believe you are sufficiently capable of grasping this. However, I perceive you are over-complicating things. This is extremely simple: THERE IS NO TIME.

    Do not attempt to rationalize or over-analyze this now. I suggest you seek within in meditation with this focus in mind, and allow intuition to "show" you what is, how it is, why it is. Once you have perceived an ascertained this truth within the very heart of your being, you may then begin to extrapolate this concept of simultaneity into more "logical" approaches.

    Firstly, however, seek to know it from within.

    And do not feel discouraged, for even at the 7th density, the mind/body/spirit complex totality is seeking to learn the timelessness of the One Infinite Creator (hence, the Law of Foreverness—or Eternity, Timelessness, Infinity—, which is the principal lesson of the violet-ray vibratory spectrum).

    PS: And remember, confusion precedes illumination (and illumination is a cumulative process throughout this octave of Creation).

    (09-11-2012, 09:21 PM)Sagittarius Wrote:
    (09-11-2012, 08:33 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Where in time lies dreams and the imagination?

    I guess that is up to the dreamer/thinker.

    One can imagine something in the future and it will always be in the future, likewise interpret dreams as the future or the past.

    When one brings there imagination/dreams into the present moment they bridge the gap between body and soul with the mind. Imagination becomes something done in the moment to express the moment without the boundaries of the ego.

    I imagine the mind as a bridge between body and soul, isn't it the mind of a being that develops? A rock has a body and a soul always but has no mind, an animal has a body and soul but a less aware mind and so the evolution continues. Creation could be viewed as a continuing developing mind into more and more complex body's with the soul balancing it out, so even though it seams the field of consciousness is gaining complexity it will always be balanced out with the oneness of the soul.



    Siren, I have been meditating on such things for many years now and it is because of such intense considerations that I have developed the understanding that I now have.

    So what I do now is try to keep an open mind to anything that might give me reason to change what I think I know.

    It is not that I am confused or frustrated. this is how my life has been for a very long time. I seek understanding in the realm of new understanding.




    (09-12-2012, 12:51 AM)godwide_void Wrote: When you apply the application of past, present and future to the flow of mere seconds, the greater grasping of the notion that such designations are constantly overlapping and circumstantially interchangeable arises. Our experience then begins to be more situated in a more spatially-oriented paradigm sustained by the embracing of a timeless awareness. Every present moment was once an unknown future possibility and as soon as you experienced the present moment, it became a past moment.

    I think I see why you are thinking the way that you do.

    you are seeing the process of continuing timeflow as an interchangeable singular event because in your experience time ceases to exist as a process of being.

    as such you are able to perceive the instant as a stillness, which you have often referred to in describing your experience. In this still void, now is unaffected by the proceeding of time or any event. And so you can interchange possible future with resulting past in that now space of stilness void of procession.

    But in that now reality of stillness, creation also ceases to proceed, and The All is nothing more than an instant in time, still and void of any and all interaction.

    As such, what 'will be' is seen as imminent as soon as that instant passes, even though it is as yet unknown to the creation in process, and that iminence is what you define as future, whereas in the actual creation where time is a proceeding element of creation, that future cannot be held still, or considered to be a simultaneous event of present time.

    Does this thinking get anywhere in your thoughts?

    What you are saying is that the future which will be in a minute, becomes the present now as it happens, and then the past after it happens. and because of this procession of time, you define future events which may or may not take place as the same as that which has taken place.

    But what of the unknown factor of their actual occurrence?

    Your future definition cannot become present and past if it does not actually take place.

    How do you factor that into the stillness of the instant where no action or creation proceeds into being?






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    09-12-2012, 10:07 AM
    (09-12-2012, 09:44 AM)ShinAr Wrote: ...I seek understanding in the realm of new understanding...

    ...in a density that is not of understanding. That is quite a challenge indeed. You must be dual activated and your mind is entering 4d and starting to understand. 3d is not of understanding, but since 4d is coming along... Smile

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    Perhaps the Third Density isn't the density which has understanding, but we exist in all densities, no?

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    (09-12-2012, 01:31 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Perhaps the Third Density isn't the density which has understanding, but we exist in all densities, no?

    Yeah, but I'm having real difficulties trying to consciously experience this just now. Smile

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    The way I see it, it is only awareness which is inconsistently divided between the densities of our perceptions.
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    09-17-2012, 09:41 AM
    I suppose that if I cannot comprehend the simultaneity factor, I should just admit it and move on to other discussions.

    What about the ability to expand one's field of consciousness in such a way that their ability to interact and interpret their environment is extended?


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    This is something I've had fun with, "tuning in" to the area around you, feeling the vibrations of everything, the pathways, the motion.

    I'm not sure if it's actually an expansion of the field of consciousness or an expansion of the consciousness in to greater awareness of the field that is already there.

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    09-17-2012, 12:22 PM (This post was last modified: 09-17-2012, 12:40 PM by godwide_void.)
    Shin'Ar, I will be addressing your above confusions later today when I have time and hopefully put them to rest, but forgive me for the delay.
    While I shall expand more upon the "stillness" you would like me to elaborate upon in relation to perceiving time and one's field expansion later, for now I shall reiterate upon simultaneity or more accurately timelessness by posting the discourse I'd given you regarding it through messaging:

    Simultaneity in regards to the passage of linear time in this illusion stems from the deeper notion that timelessness holds dominion over experience and it is rather the momentary progression and evolution of experiences and circumstances which determine the process of being, not time.

    My pinpointing the interchangeability of the categorization of each moment as eventually fitting into all three separating time frames was moreso meant to invoke the awareness of the illusory nature of time, both in the localized sense and in the higher realms. The physical environment which we wade through appears to remain unchanging, or its alteration via degradation or other circumstances progresses at such a slow pace that we come to the belief that our surroundings stand the test of time, but it is not time which erodes consciousness.

    It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    There is no end to the Creator's beingness. Because there is no end to the Creator, there is no end to consciousness. Because there is no end to consciousness, there is no end to the various manifestations consciousness will take. Because there is no end to the infinite manifestations of consciousness, there is no end to the infinite configurations which will occur in consciousness. Because the manifestations and configurations of consciousness do not end, there will be no end to space as space is required for consciousness to unfold and play out in. Because there is no end to space, there is no end to the possible events which may occur in this infinite space. Because there is no end to the formation of events, their unfolding, their progression, there is no end to time, for time is an eternal flow, one which does not truly exist but arises because of the process of experience, the progression of experience, and the isolation of events for the duration of their occurrence.

    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Events do not begin and end. Consciousness merely unfolds. What happened in the "past" was consciousness progressing. What is happening "now" is consciousness progressing. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity.

    Your birth did not mark the beginning of time for you, and time does not truly govern your life. Time will not end when you have left this life, for time does not exist. Your consciousness existed prior to birth, and you will exist following your human death. You are not subject to time outside of physicality. It is only when you are born do you mark your journey to the grave with days, months, hours of wakefulness, nights of sleep, etc. It has always been the evolution of your consciousness via the factors of vibration and frequency accumulated from your activities in this incarnation which determine your future.

    The illusion of time is merely a tool to help you keep track of events and experiences in consciousness which you have been led through. It is true that evolution has a duration, and as "time" passes circumstances change, for instance a family lived in your house before you moved in, and you were incarnated in another form prior to incarnating as Shin'Ar, but from the perspective beyond this 3rd density such modifications in consciousness are part of a motion dictated by spatial change and not by time-length constraints.

    For example, the ascension event seems to be marked by a certain timeframe, and there appears to be a significant length of time separating the current moment from the moment of the winter solstice period, however what is determining when this event will occur is the motion of consciousness and the configuration of the vibrational patterns in consciousness as opposed to consciousness following a time frame.

    It must be noted, that despite the above explanations, we have become so conditioned to the existence of the concept of time and it has become so ingrained into our perceptions and paradigms of reality that attempting to break away from the notion that the passage of events equates to the "flow of time" is near impossible, and the best one may do is not allow the consideration of time to preoccupy one's mind or perceptions of reality, and instead find stillness in the moment so as to return to a state of immovable consciousness becoming sensitive to each tiny movement performed as you maneuver through your universe, and allow your movements and experiences to pave the progression of your day rather than your watch or other time-keeping device to determine your days current. Besides, the paradigm of the 3rd density of awareness has the progression of time as the axis it turns upon, but coming to terms with time as illusory and seeking to view the true nature of each passing moment as one singular and eternal waltz of consciousness comes to help.
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    (09-17-2012, 12:22 PM)godwide_void Wrote: It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    NOW we are getting somewhere my friends. Listen to this One and listen carefully to his words-

    GWV : "However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity."



    What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.

    It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.

    We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.

    So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?

    I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.


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    Did this get lost?

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    09-19-2012, 02:29 PM
    This discussion is far from being lost, my friend. You must forgive my poor time/post management skills in this instance, but I will now elaborate on the factors you think would make some leeway in this matter.

    (09-17-2012, 07:13 PM)ShinAr Wrote:
    (09-17-2012, 12:22 PM)godwide_void Wrote: It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    NOW we are getting somewhere my friends. Listen to this One and listen carefully to his words-

    GWV : "However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity."



    What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.

    It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.

    We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.

    So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?

    I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.

    I understand now why you were at odds with my discourse on time, for you believed what I was trying to get across the entire time already: time is an illusory construct. In my proclaiming that each perceived passing moment in the singular evolving continuum of consciousness can be considered a past moment, a present moment, and a future moment depending on the vantage point of the observer in relation to the spatial changes occurring around him/her, it was merely to demonstrate that time is a fabrication that indeed, as we agreed, arises only when there is consciousness to measure it.

    It is man, which is a subsequent manifestation and ultimately a mere content of consciousness, which divides segments in the eternally progressing flow of consciousness into a "day", a "second" or an "hour". It is only in the mind of the human which such an abstract thought would arise. Only in the human mind is there any counting or division between one unmarked flow of consciousness to the next.

    You are perceptive in remembering my mentioning of perceiving the complete stillness of the Creator. You will do will to relegate the notion of time as perceived by lower manifestations and substitute it with the true macrocosmic nature of consciousness. There is nothing vague about my speaking of the "stillness" and it is meant to be taken quite literally and it is no different then the immovable and monumental state attained via deep meditation. My observation revealed to me that the only true moment that exists is the One Infinite Creator "sitting", and I use this term very loosely, in inert silence.

    However, in this utterly still moment, the entire Creation within It is clearly in motion. Its "process of being", the continuing expansion and unfolding of consciousness, the very act of the Creator countlessly experiencing Itself and creating new components within Itself, is all occurring in one single moment. This moment is eternal, for it is sustained by a being which is infinite. This moment consists of only one activity: the eternal refining, evolution, progression, improvisation, expansion, construction, and growth of the Creator via its means of fragmenting Its awareness within Itself to experience Itself.

    The eternal moment is the One Infinite Creator meditating in silent stillness as the entirety of existence is in motion within It.

    Merely because we in our limited awareness and perceptions are subject to the most minute movements within its flow, experiencing only portions of what exist within It, do we attempt to apply the paradigms of our reality towards making sense of the processes of the meta-paradigm which underlines the Creator.

    When events have come and gone and are merely memories within us, we in our subjection to this handicapped illusion of linearity can no longer experience unique events which befell us in the "past" and can only experience events which lie before us, unless we so choose to reenact them although the context I am using this in refers to spontaneous events that are unique such as one's previous birthday or the funeral of a loved one. However, given that time is merely an illusion which the lower manifestations of the Creator experience and such a feeble construct is itself a mere content in the eternally unfolding arena of the infinite consciousness of the Creator, It may choose to zoom in on any event which has arose in consciousness.

    As we presently exist, the Creator is experiencing the birth of our parents, and the final moments of this year. Simply because the former has "already happened" from our perspective and the latter "hasn't happened yet" does not bar the Creator from instantly experiencing all which it chooses regardless whether it does not fit into our beliefs of what constitutes possibility. The passive foundational nature of consciousness is static and its active process is dynamic.

    Regarding what some would consider their "higher selves" or a perfect higher dimensional version of themselves in the "future", this primarily applies to beings which have already achieved a higher degree of spiritual evolution and have incarnated a portion of their consciousness into lower density being. In this instance, one is simply a lower extension of their true forms which have attained a greatly evolved rank in existence. The simultaneity of interaction and cooperation arises due to the higher and lower forms being singular, and it is the higher form which personally programs and directs the incarnation, and if sufficient balance and awareness has been cultivated, takes on the role of seating itself wholly within the vehicle of the lower incarnated extension.

    The higher self, while it technically is "you in the future" it would be more accurate to say that it was you prior to being born, and is still you at the moment that you are are experiencing lower being, albeit the actions of the lower extension contribute to the modification and evolution of one's individual higher dimensional counterpart, and the evolution of both directly contributes to the evolution of the highest counterpart of all selves, being the Creator.

    The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.

    Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.

    For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.

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    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    NOW we are getting somewhere my friends. Listen to this One and listen carefully to his words-

    GWV : "However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity."



    What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.

    It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.

    We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.

    So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?

    I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I understand now why you were at odds with my discourse on time, for you believed what I was trying to get across the entire time already: time is an illusory construct. In my proclaiming that each perceived passing moment in the singular evolving continuum of consciousness can be considered a past moment, a present moment, and a future moment depending on the vantage point of the observer in relation to the spatial changes occurring around him/her, it was merely to demonstrate that time is a fabrication that indeed, as we agreed, arises only when there is consciousness to measure it.

    It is man, which is a subsequent manifestation and ultimately a mere content of consciousness, which divides segments in the eternally progressing flow of consciousness into a "day", a "second" or an "hour". It is only in the mind of the human which such an abstract thought would arise. Only in the human mind is there any counting or division between one unmarked flow of consciousness to the next.


    Time is an illusion of awareness of memory, passing experience, and future possibilities.

    It should never be calculated as a state of being where consciousness becomes subject to its awareness. Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience. For one to say that the future has already been completed, is to suggest that interaction between fields of consciousness has no affect on creation. And that is in denial of the Divine design at its very core.

    Time cannot be separated into categories and then assigned reality which denies its illusion just because awareness established such categories. For as I said above,

    Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: You are perceptive in remembering my mentioning of perceiving the complete stillness of the Creator. You will do well to relegate the notion of time as perceived by lower manifestations and substitute it with the true macrocosmic nature of consciousness. There is nothing vague about my speaking of the "stillness" and it is meant to be taken quite literally and it is no different then the immovable and monumental state attained via deep meditation. My observation revealed to me that the only true moment that exists is the One Infinite Creator "sitting", and I use this term very loosely, in inert silence.

    However, in this utterly still moment, the entire Creation within It is clearly in motion. Its "process of being", the continuing expansion and unfolding of consciousness, the very act of the Creator countlessly experiencing Itself and creating new components within Itself, is all occurring in one single moment. This moment is eternal, for it is sustained by a being which is infinite. This moment consists of only one activity: the eternal refining, evolution, progression, improvisation, expansion, construction, and growth of the Creator via its means of fragmenting Its awareness within Itself to experience Itself.

    The eternal moment is the One Infinite Creator meditating in silent stillness as the entirety of existence is in motion within It.

    Merely because we in our limited awareness and perceptions are subject to the most minute movements within its flow, experiencing only portions of what exist within It, do we attempt to apply the paradigms of our reality towards making sense of the processes of the meta-paradigm which underlines the Creator.


    Yes, we are each existing in that eternal moment of still awareness which creates nothing further than the now and that which exists in that stillness.

    In awareness of that stillness we perceive possible future as the result of further thought process. But that awareness creates nothing but awareness.

    That stillness is the reality of the cage where no other cage has connected with us. It is illusion because the instant another cage connects, that stillness is altered not by further awareness, but by the process of sharing information.

    The one and only factor that can impose upon the stillness of the eternal moment of the now, is connectionéinteraction. And that is not subject to the awareness of it, it is subject only to the processingéexperiencing of it.

    Each connection between cages sets each dog free into a new stillness of moment, each coming to fruition in the course of its experience, and not subject to any possible awareness of future possibility. Knowing only the state of the new cage it has just discovered only by and because of connection to another cage.

    The stillness exists only in The state of being where The One exists as all cages of experience. Time becomes existent in the state of being where one cage connects with another as each is designed to do.

    Both stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them.


    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Regarding what some would consider their "higher selves" or a perfect higher dimensional version of themselves in the "future", this primarily applies to beings which have already achieved a higher degree of spiritual evolution and have incarnated a portion of their consciousness into lower density being. In this instance, one is simply a lower extension of their true forms which have attained a greatly evolved rank in existence. The simultaneity of interaction and cooperation arises due to the higher and lower forms being singular, and it is the higher form which personally programs and directs the incarnation, and if sufficient balance and awareness has been cultivated, takes on the role of seating itself wholly within the vehicle of the lower incarnated extension.

    The higher self, while it technically is "you in the future" it would be more accurate to say that it was you prior to being born, and is still you at the moment that you are are experiencing lower being, albeit the actions of the lower extension contribute to the modification and evolution of one's individual higher dimensional counterpart, and the evolution of both directly contributes to the evolution of the highest counterpart of all selves, being the Creator.

    There is the stillness of the eternal moment, a state of being in which only The One exists. And there is the passing of the experiences of each field, a state of being in which their awareness measures such passage for the purpose of comprehension of experience.

    The higher self is not in some possible future, for that would require a state of being and awareness to define that designation, and it has not ye come to pass.

    The higher self is the filed of consciousness existing now, including all that it has acquired as its state of being, and experiencing this awareness now under the constraints of this particular form and state of being.

    The fact that the field employing this lower form of being is actually much more evolved than it seems, does not mean that its higher state of being is somehow in the future of its potential possibilities.

    The flame that it actually is, is no more in some future state of being than it is right now.

    if a man suffers a head injury and becomes greatly decreased in ability and understanding, does that mean that his true self is somehow in the futureÉ

    If a man that usually drives a Porsche is suddenly restricted to driving a Chevette, does that mean that his real self is somehow driving a Prosche in some future experience of eventsé

    No, it simply means that the potential of the existing consciousness has been limited by its present form and state of being.

    The higher self is not a future state of being, it is the actual evolved degree and potential of one`s field.

    It is easy for us to confuse this because we associate evolution with future development. And so when we try to comprehend evolved status in its restrained state, we coincidentally assume that the higher degree must therefore be a future state of being.

    But when we realize that time is an illusion of awareness, confined to the fragmented experience of connecting fields, we must also realize that future is not a state of being but further construct of that illusion of awareness.

    Where, in illusion, can a higher state of being exist as realityÉ

    With that in mind I ask you to consider your following words for further discussion between us.

    I also await your discernment of what I have to offer in our connection.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.

    Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.

    For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.


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    09-24-2012, 07:49 PM (This post was last modified: 09-25-2012, 11:55 AM by godwide_void.)
    (09-21-2012, 02:37 PM)ShinAr Wrote:
    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: It is the evolution of consciousness which creates the appearance of degradation, of evolution, of progression, of aging, of passing seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, eons; the contents of consciousness are subject to the illusion of time so as to provide a system whereby the flow of events may be tracked. However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    NOW we are getting somewhere my friends. Listen to this One and listen carefully to his words-

    GWV : "However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression infinite consciousness for all eternity."



    What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.

    It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.

    We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.

    So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?

    I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I understand now why you were at odds with my discourse on time, for you believed what I was trying to get across the entire time already: time is an illusory construct. In my proclaiming that each perceived passing moment in the singular evolving continuum of consciousness can be considered a past moment, a present moment, and a future moment depending on the vantage point of the observer in relation to the spatial changes occurring around him/her, it was merely to demonstrate that time is a fabrication that indeed, as we agreed, arises only when there is consciousness to measure it.

    It is man, which is a subsequent manifestation and ultimately a mere content of consciousness, which divides segments in the eternally progressing flow of consciousness into a "day", a "second" or an "hour". It is only in the mind of the human which such an abstract thought would arise. Only in the human mind is there any counting or division between one unmarked flow of consciousness to the next.


    Time is an illusion of awareness of memory, passing experience, and future possibilities.

    It should never be calculated as a state of being where consciousness becomes subject to its awareness. Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience. For one to say that the future has already been completed, is to suggest that interaction between fields of consciousness has no affect on creation. And that is in denial of the Divine design at its very core.

    Time cannot be separated into categories and then assigned reality which denies its illusion just because awareness established such categories. For as I said above,

    Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience.

    While I largely agree, the one thing which I would point out that would be beneficial for you to add would be the specification that interaction creates active experience while inert awareness still creates experience, albeit a more passive experience. Would you be able to clarify what the full range of circumstances you are encompassing are when you use the term interaction? Meditation is an experience facilitated by awareness lacking physical interaction and in some cases the quieting of mental activity, and the phenomenon that can accompany the expansion of one's awareness and immersion into deeper states of awareness can themselves constitute experiences, and I am also alluding to visionary, psychedelic, entheogenic, or general trance experiences.

    However, depending on what you truly meant by your bolded statement, one could apply the context of interaction within these experiences as leading to their facilitation considering that one is engaging in interaction within one's mind between the mind and the mind, or in some cases, the mind being the template with which one may interact with higher or deeper components of one's self which exist beyond the confines of one's conscious mind.

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    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: You are perceptive in remembering my mentioning of perceiving the complete stillness of the Creator. You will do well to relegate the notion of time as perceived by lower manifestations and substitute it with the true macrocosmic nature of consciousness. There is nothing vague about my speaking of the "stillness" and it is meant to be taken quite literally and it is no different then the immovable and monumental state attained via deep meditation. My observation revealed to me that the only true moment that exists is the One Infinite Creator "sitting", and I use this term very loosely, in inert silence.

    However, in this utterly still moment, the entire Creation within It is clearly in motion. Its "process of being", the continuing expansion and unfolding of consciousness, the very act of the Creator countlessly experiencing Itself and creating new components within Itself, is all occurring in one single moment. This moment is eternal, for it is sustained by a being which is infinite. This moment consists of only one activity: the eternal refining, evolution, progression, improvisation, expansion, construction, and growth of the Creator via its means of fragmenting Its awareness within Itself to experience Itself.

    The eternal moment is the One Infinite Creator meditating in silent stillness as the entirety of existence is in motion within It.

    Merely because we in our limited awareness and perceptions are subject to the most minute movements within its flow, experiencing only portions of what exist within It, do we attempt to apply the paradigms of our reality towards making sense of the processes of the meta-paradigm which underlines the Creator.


    Yes, we are each existing in that eternal moment of still awareness which creates nothing further than the now and that which exists in that stillness.

    In awareness of that stillness we perceive possible future as the result of further thought process. But that awareness creates nothing but awareness.

    That stillness is the reality of the cage where no other cage has connected with us. It is illusion because the instant another cage connects, that stillness is altered not by further awareness, but by the process of sharing information.

    The one and only factor that can impose upon the stillness of the eternal moment of the now, is connectionéinteraction. And that is not subject to the awareness of it, it is subject only to the processingéexperiencing of it.

    Each connection between cages sets each dog free into a new stillness of moment, each coming to fruition in the course of its experience, and not subject to any possible awareness of future possibility. Knowing only the state of the new cage it has just discovered only by and because of connection to another cage.

    The stillness exists only in The state of being where The One exists as all cages of experience. Time becomes existent in the state of being where one cage connects with another as each is designed to do.

    Both stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them.

    Connection and interaction are not so much as imposing factors as they are the reigns which excite the evolution of the nature of the ocean of existence. All nodes of individual awareness are various perspectives of only one awareness which gives rise to the experiences of connection and interaction between the seemingly independent spheres or cages of awareness and being inextricably linked within It. As information is shared in interaction and is made known to the awareness, future possibilities arise which only become experience if the awareness directs and focuses itself towards the steps which will lead to manifestation of these possibilities as experience which the being may participate in, thus allowing one's awareness to accumulate this experience as memory and adding onto the reservoir of experiences which dynamically shifts the vibrations of the static being. Indeed, the perception of stillness and the constructed experience of time are simply attributes and observations made which correspond to one's current state, although time is moreso a subjective categorization with stillness pointing more towards one's natural underlining state.

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    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Regarding what some would consider their "higher selves" or a perfect higher dimensional version of themselves in the "future", this primarily applies to beings which have already achieved a higher degree of spiritual evolution and have incarnated a portion of their consciousness into lower density being. In this instance, one is simply a lower extension of their true forms which have attained a greatly evolved rank in existence. The simultaneity of interaction and cooperation arises due to the higher and lower forms being singular, and it is the higher form which personally programs and directs the incarnation, and if sufficient balance and awareness has been cultivated, takes on the role of seating itself wholly within the vehicle of the lower incarnated extension.

    The higher self, while it technically is "you in the future" it would be more accurate to say that it was you prior to being born, and is still you at the moment that you are are experiencing lower being, albeit the actions of the lower extension contribute to the modification and evolution of one's individual higher dimensional counterpart, and the evolution of both directly contributes to the evolution of the highest counterpart of all selves, being the Creator.

    There is the stillness of the eternal moment, a state of being in which only The One exists. And there is the passing of the experiences of each field, a state of being in which their awareness measures such passage for the purpose of comprehension of experience.

    The higher self is not in some possible future, for that would require a state of being and awareness to define that designation, and it has not ye come to pass.

    The higher self is the filed of consciousness existing now, including all that it has acquired as its state of being, and experiencing this awareness now under the constraints of this particular form and state of being.

    The fact that the field employing this lower form of being is actually much more evolved than it seems, does not mean that its higher state of being is somehow in the future of its potential possibilities.

    The flame that it actually is, is no more in some future state of being than it is right now.

    if a man suffers a head injury and becomes greatly decreased in ability and understanding, does that mean that his true self is somehow in the futureÉ

    If a man that usually drives a Porsche is suddenly restricted to driving a Chevette, does that mean that his real self is somehow driving a Prosche in some future experience of eventsé

    No, it simply means that the potential of the existing consciousness has been limited by its present form and state of being.

    The higher self is not a future state of being, it is the actual evolved degree and potential of one`s field.

    It is easy for us to confuse this because we associate evolution with future development. And so when we try to comprehend evolved status in its restrained state, we coincidentally assume that the higher degree must therefore be a future state of being.

    But when we realize that time is an illusion of awareness, confined to the fragmented experience of connecting fields, we must also realize that future is not a state of being but further construct of that illusion of awareness.

    Where, in illusion, can a higher state of being exist as realityÉ

    With that in mind I ask you to consider your following words for further discussion between us.

    I also await your discernment of what I have to offer in our connection.

    The confusion arises when one considers higher or further phases of evolution as being incompatible with occurring simultaneously. The sum total of one's existence is not a point on a spectrum but should rather be seen as being the entire spectrum. One may choose to envision this spectrum as a longitudinal/latitudinal line or a sphere, this existential grid containing the current point which one experiences themselves as in any lower form and all possible experiences and paths existing congruently to ones current point of awareness. Experiences which the lower manifestation has yet to undergo all exist in potentiation within this spectrum, as well as the residual roads leading to possible experiences which have been bypassed.

    All beings exist as their own spectrum of existence encompassing every component of themselves, even those aspects which are beyond one's current awareness. You ask where within this illusion can a higher state of being exist as reality. To this I say that one's higher state of being has always existed as reality beyond this illusion, although to accurately cover all fluctuating circumstances of the essence of being, it would perhaps be more proper to say "other" states of being. The reason for this being that, as I have stated in reference to beings which have yet to achieve a state of spiritual evolution beyond the lower densities of awareness, what is viewed as the highest self counterpart for these beings is simply their disembodied, disincarnate consciousness which exists beyond physicality, mortality, human life and death. This form of theirs is higher in the sense that its mode of awareness and experience is open to non-local realms of consciousness, and yet can their experiences really be categorized as "higher" when it is the "descent" into incarnation which is the substantiating factor in their evolution through consciousness?

    In the instance where a field of consciousness has indeed achieved higher levels and forms of being, their existence as reality within the illusion directly coincides with their parallel incarnated lower extensions. Just as you previously and accurately pointed out that stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them, so too is one's perception of higher and lower being or progress in evolution dependent on the awareness of the particular state of being experiencing them in relation to their current position in the spectrum of existence.

    To the lower point within one's total spectrum of existence, one may appear to still be evolving and striving towards transcending into a higher form, and is still subject to learning, to trials and errors, and experiences such as existential handicaps that leads one to assume that their progress is confined completely to that point and form. To the higher evolved self point within one's spectrum of being which exists simultaneously and oversees the experiences of the lower point on the spectrum, it retains full awareness of its total sum of progress, experience, capabilities and its highest stage of evolution, although the lower point upon the spectrum is necessarily sectioned off from this awareness so as to serve the purpose of furthering the overall evolution of the entire spectrum by plunging into the illusory arena of human existence.

    It is in the forging of a connection with one's higher counterpart and the opening of the lines of communication with the higher point of one's spectrum of being, and cooperatively engaging in interaction with other points of one's total spectrum does it become clear that the line dividing higher and lower being is as much an illusion as the lines which divide the single unbroken continuum of awareness into past, present, and future. Although the circumstances of one's current human awareness relegate their knowledge and perception of their self as being "lower", in truth one's existence does not begin nor end with the false boundaries of human existence. One's lower self cannot exist unless one is existing beyond this world, regardless whether ones "outer essence" is capable only of reincarnation and has yet to achieve experience in higher dimensions or one's "outer essence" is as ancient as the Creation itself and is thus able to interact with the lower portions of itself upon its entire spectrum and directly affect the experience of the lower form in mysteriously miraculous ways.

    The reality of the illusion is that is blocks out the awareness of one's current higher state of being or bars one from being aware of the possible other forms of being which one may eventually enter, and I am specifically speaking to higher dimensional forms. Within the illusion, what we may regard as higher states of being are only so within this illusion and are only a taste of what awaits us beyond it. We may engage in activities which heighten our vibration as a human, but in truth we are only heightening the vibration of one individual point which we are currently confined to on a spectrum which expands the more which we evolve, and our higher states of being are possibilities within the entire spectrum which we have either already attained and have temporarily stepped out of in order to experience lower regions of the spectrum for any number of reasons or are simply possibilities which await our proper interaction and connection within the universe to attain them even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.

    Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.

    For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.

    Edit: My last sentence was meant to say "exit" rather than "exist": ...even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.


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    (09-24-2012, 07:49 PM)godwide_void Wrote: However, remove any system of keeping time and the concept ceases to exist, and it is then rather seen that change is a spatial phenomenon and not a temporal one.

    NOW we are getting somewhere my friends.
    Time does not pass. Consciousness merely evolves. Consciousness merely unfolds. What will happen in the "future" is the continued progression of infinite consciousness for all eternity.
    What you are stating here is exactly what I have always said; there is no such thing as time. It is an illusion of consciousness and without consciousness to measure it, time ceases to exist. You know this as it is clearly written into my writings which can be found on the website.
    It is exactly as you have stated here Godwide, that All is merely the unfolding process of evolving consciousness.
    We are nothing but Process of Being, which has no time component in an infinite Mystery. There is absolutely no finished future, just as there is no tenses of time without consciousness to measure them.

    So the real question now is, how does this thought process affect this version of simultaneity that some here espouse regarding what they have been calling their higher self, and how does it affect their understanding of a creation having been already completed in such a way that the future has already been experienced and is somehow part of the present?
    I sense that this 'stillness' of which you speak so vaguely is going to be somehow vital to our putting this all together.

    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I understand now why you were at odds with my discourse on time, for you believed what I was trying to get across the entire time already: time is an illusory construct. In my proclaiming that each perceived passing moment in the singular evolving continuum of consciousness can be considered a past moment, a present moment, and a future moment depending on the vantage point of the observer in relation to the spatial changes occurring around him/her, it was merely to demonstrate that time is a fabrication that indeed, as we agreed, arises only when there is consciousness to measure it.

    It is man, which is a subsequent manifestation and ultimately a mere content of consciousness, which divides segments in the eternally progressing flow of consciousness into a "day", a "second" or an "hour". It is only in the mind of the human which such an abstract thought would arise. Only in the human mind is there any counting or division between one unmarked flow of consciousness to the next.


    Time is an illusion of awareness of memory, passing experience, and future possibilities.

    It should never be calculated as a state of being where consciousness becomes subject to its awareness. Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience. For one to say that the future has already been completed, is to suggest that interaction between fields of consciousness has no affect on creation. And that is in denial of the Divine design at its very core.

    Time cannot be separated into categories and then assigned reality which denies its illusion just because awareness established such categories. For as I said above,

    Awareness does not create any experience, interaction creates experience.




    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Would you be able to clarify what the full range of circumstances you are encompassing are when you use the term interaction?


    The two fields connecting is the action which I am speaking of.
    No matter what the ‘other’ is, there must be an ‘other’ for interaction to become experience.
    Awareness alone with nothing ‘other’ to connect with is simple awareness of self. If the two fields are you and I , and yet netiher was aware of and interacting with the other, Then all there is self.

    Now what does that tell you about the self? We do not exist without each other.
    Let’s apply the following social issue and its controversy to this thought process:

    Let’s assume that the very essence of awareness existing is that it interacts with another awareness as a part of that process of existing. The interaction is vital to the welfare of awareness so that it does not exist in solitude.
    Now let us inject into that thinking the dynamics of the male and female roles of the process of being human, or human being.
    There is a great debate taking place in today’s world over the issue of women’s rights and abortion.
    On the one hand the woman wants to have the right to do whatever she wants with her own body.
    On the other hand, if all women acted on that in such a way that every woman refused to reproduce they would literally hold captive the survival of the human species.
    So the question then becomes not one of fetus rights or women’s rights, but now it is a matter of whether or not the man has the right to insist that the human species does not become extinct for the sake of the woman’s right to choose.
    Does the male human have the right to intercede upon the female human in the case of the extinction of the human species?
    Without each other we do not exist!
    By Divine Design we are meant to reproduce and interact. We are not designed to exist in solitude.
    Whether passive awareness, or active awareness, the very fact that we are aware necessitates interaction by Design.


    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: My observation revealed to me that the only true moment that exists is the One Infinite Creator "sitting", and I use this term very loosely, in inert silence.

    However, in this utterly still moment, the entire Creation within It is clearly in motion. Its "process of being", the continuing expansion and unfolding of consciousness, the very act of the Creator countlessly experiencing Itself and creating new components within Itself, is all occurring in one single moment. This moment is eternal, for it is sustained by a being which is infinite. This moment consists of only one activity: the eternal refining, evolution, progression, improvisation, expansion, construction, and growth of the Creator via its means of fragmenting Its awareness within Itself to experience Itself.

    The eternal moment is the One Infinite Creator meditating in silent stillness as the entirety of existence is in motion within It.

    Merely because we in our limited awareness and perceptions are subject to the most minute movements within its flow, experiencing only portions of what exist within It, do we attempt to apply the paradigms of our reality towards making sense of the processes of the meta-paradigm which underlines the Creator.

    Yes, we are each existing in that eternal moment of still awareness which creates nothing further than the now and that which exists in that stillness.

    In awareness of that stillness we perceive possible future as the result of further thought process. But that awareness creates nothing but awareness.

    That stillness is the reality of the cage where no other cage has connected with us. It is illusion because the instant another cage connects, that stillness is altered not by further awareness, but by the process of sharing information.

    The one and only factor that can impose upon the stillness of the eternal moment of the now, is connection/interaction. And that is not subject to the awareness of it, it is subject only to the processing/experiencing of it.

    Each connection between cages sets each dog free into a new stillness of moment, each coming to fruition in the course of its experience, and not subject to any possible awareness of future possibility. Knowing only the state of the new cage it has just discovered only by and because of connection to another cage.

    The stillness exists only in The state of being where The One exists as all cages of experience. Time becomes existent in the state of being where one cage connects with another as each is designed to do.

    Both stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them.



    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Connection and interaction are not so much imposing factors as they are the reigns which excite the evolution of the nature of the ocean of existence. All nodes of individual awareness are various perspectives of only one awareness which gives rise to the experiences of connection and interaction between the seemingly independent spheres or cages of awareness and being inextricably linked within It. As information is shared in interaction and is made known to the awareness, future possibilities arise which only become experience if the awareness directs and focuses itself towards the steps which will lead to manifestation of these possibilities as experience which the being may participate in, thus allowing one's awareness to accumulate this experience as memory and adding onto the reservoir of experiences which dynamically shifts the vibrations of the static being. Indeed, the perception of stillness and the constructed experience of time are simply attributes and observations made which correspond to one's current state, although time is moreso a subjective categorization with stillness pointing more towards one's natural underlining state.

    I think what you are saying here is basically that the current state of ‘now’ in any event or experience is always the macrocosmic state of being. And I understand that and agree.

    But I am not sure that one can separate the now state from the dual process which is the design established by The One.

    Yes, it is true that The Macro is the life-force of all awareness, and the overseeing governing factor of The All. But that very force has established a dual nature to the process of being, for the purpose of interaction to avoid solitude, and in so doing has established a state of being in which awareness connecting with an other awareness is the essence of existing as awareness; even extending to the awareness of The One. The One does not exist without The Other, if we consider the Divine Design that has been established as the manifestation of the macrocosmic being.
    Without the micro interactions, the macrocosmic being does not function in the same way and the design would not work.




    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Regarding what some would consider their "higher selves" or a perfect higher dimensional version of themselves in the "future", this primarily applies to beings which have already achieved a higher degree of spiritual evolution and have incarnated a portion of their consciousness into lower density being. In this instance, one is simply a lower extension of their true forms which have attained a greatly evolved rank in existence. The simultaneity of interaction and cooperation arises due to the higher and lower forms being singular, and it is the higher form which personally programs and directs the incarnation, and if sufficient balance and awareness has been cultivated, takes on the role of seating itself wholly within the vehicle of the lower incarnated extension.

    The higher self, while it technically is "you in the future" it would be more accurate to say that it was you prior to being born, and is still you at the moment that you are are experiencing lower being, albeit the actions of the lower extension contribute to the modification and evolution of one's individual higher dimensional counterpart, and the evolution of both directly contributes to the evolution of the highest counterpart of all selves, being the Creator.

    There is the stillness of the eternal moment, a state of being in which only The One exists. And there is the passing of the experiences of each field, a state of being in which their awareness measures such passage for the purpose of comprehension of experience.

    The higher self is not in some possible future, for that would require a state of being and awareness to define that designation, and it has not yet come to pass.

    The higher self is the field of consciousness existing now, including all that it has acquired as its state of being, and experiencing this awareness now under the constraints of ‘this particular form’ and state of being.

    The fact that the field employing this lower form of being is actually much more evolved than it seems, does not mean that its higher state of being is somehow in the future of its potential possibilities.

    The flame that it actually is, is no more in some future state of being than it is right now.

    if a man suffers a head injury and becomes greatly decreased in ability and understanding, does that mean that his true self is somehow in the future?

    If a man that usually drives a Porsche is suddenly restricted to driving a Chevette, does that mean that his real self is somehow driving a Porsche in some future experience of events?

    No, it simply means that the potential of the existing consciousness has been limited by its present form and state of being.

    The higher self is not a future state of being, it is the actual evolved degree and potential of one`s field.

    It is easy for us to confuse this because we associate evolution with future development. And so when we try to comprehend evolved status in its restrained state, we coincidentally assume that the higher degree must therefore be a future state of being.

    But when we realize that time is an illusion of awareness, confined to the fragmented experience of connecting fields, we must also realize that future is not a state of being but further construct of that illusion of awareness.

    Where, in illusion, can a higher state of being exist as reality?



    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The confusion arises when one considers higher or further phases of evolution as being incompatible with occurring simultaneously. The sum total of one's existence is not a point on a spectrum but should rather be seen as being the entire spectrum. One may choose to envision this spectrum as a longitudinal/latitudinal line or a sphere, this existential grid containing the current point which one experiences themselves as in any lower form and all possible experiences and paths existing congruently to ones current point of awareness. Experiences which the lower manifestation has yet to undergo all exist in potentiation within this spectrum, as well as the residual roads leading to possible experiences which have been bypassed.

    All beings exist as their own spectrum of existence encompassing every component of themselves, even those aspects which are beyond one's current awareness. You ask where within this illusion can a higher state of being exist as reality. To this I say that one's higher state of being has always existed as reality beyond this illusion, although to accurately cover all fluctuating circumstances of the essence of being, it would perhaps be more proper to say "other" states of being. The reason for this being that, as I have stated in reference to beings which have yet to achieve a state of spiritual evolution beyond the lower densities of awareness, what is viewed as the highest self counterpart for these beings is simply their disembodied, disincarnate consciousness which exists beyond physicality, mortality, human life and death.

    It sounds again that when you speak of higher self you are actually speaking of the macrocosm as opposed to the microcosm. For example, that the higher self of the microcosm is the macrocosm.

    But that is different than suggesting that the macrocosm is somehow in the future, and interacting with its past experience in an effort to direct the course of its evolution. A course established with a divine Design in which interaction between fields is essential to evolution of both micro and macro awareness and being.


    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: This form of theirs is higher in the sense that its mode of awareness and experience is open to non-local realms of consciousness, and yet can their experiences really be categorized as "higher" when it is the "descent" into incarnation which is the substantiating factor in their evolution through consciousness?

    In the instance where a field of consciousness has indeed achieved higher levels and forms of being, their existence as reality within the illusion directly coincides with their parallel incarnated lower extensions. Just as you previously and accurately pointed out that stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them, so too is one's perception of higher and lower being or progress in evolution dependent on the awareness of the particular state of being experiencing them in relation to their current position in the spectrum of existence.

    To the lower point within one's total spectrum of existence, one may appear to still be evolving and striving towards transcending into a higher form, and is still subject to learning, to trials and errors, and experiences such as existential handicaps that leads one to assume that their progress is confined completely to that point and form. To the higher evolved self point within one's spectrum of being which exists simultaneously and oversees the experiences of the lower point on the spectrum, it retains full awareness of its total sum of progress, experience, capabilities and its highest stage of evolution, although the lower point upon the spectrum is necessarily sectioned off from this awareness so as to serve the purpose of furthering the overall evolution of the entire spectrum by plunging into the illusory arena of human existence.

    It is in the forging of a connection with one's higher counterpart and the opening of the lines of communication with the higher point of one's spectrum of being, and cooperatively engaging in interaction with other points of one's total spectrum does it become clear that the line dividing higher and lower being is as much an illusion as the lines which divide the single unbroken continuum of awareness into past, present, and future. Although the circumstances of one's current human awareness relegate their knowledge and perception of their self as being "lower", in truth one's existence does not begin nor end with the false boundaries of human existence. One's lower self cannot exist unless one is existing beyond this world, regardless whether ones "outer essence" is capable only of reincarnation and has yet to achieve experience in higher dimensions or one's "outer essence" is as ancient as the Creation itself and is thus able to interact with the lower portions of itself upon its entire spectrum and directly affect the experience of the lower form in mysteriously miraculous ways.

    I understand but the problem is in the use of higher macro self being somehow a future event which has already taken place.
    What you are saying here implies an eternal moment for the purpose of installing simultaneity into the design, but in so doing do you not remove the aspect of a continuing infinite process continuing to unfold?
    In establishing the macro as somehow beyond the process, you can assimilate simultaneity, but you cannot also assimilate the unknown possibilities which might occur as the process continues to unfold.
    One cannot have their cake, eat it, and still have it after it is eaten.


    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The reality of the illusion is that is blocks out the awareness of one's current higher state of being or bars one from being aware of the possible other forms of being which one may eventually enter, and I am specifically speaking to higher dimensional forms. Within the illusion, what we may regard as higher states of being are only so within this illusion and are only a taste of what awaits us beyond it. We may engage in activities which heighten our vibration as a human, but in truth we are only heightening the vibration of one individual point which we are currently confined to on a spectrum which expands the more which we evolve, and our higher states of being are possibilities within the entire spectrum which we have either already attained and have temporarily stepped out of in order to experience lower regions of the spectrum for any number of reasons or are simply possibilities which await our proper interaction and connection within the universe to attain them even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.


    The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.

    Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.

    For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.

    Simultaneity equates to timelessness.
    Timelessness is the stillness of an eternal moment in which no process is being realized. Timelessness would be the complete lack of awareness and interaction.
    So then, simultaneity is the complete lack of awareness or interaction, or process of being.

    I contend that simultaneity is simply the instance of stillness within the design where no awareness of passage of time, due to the experiencing of interaction, takes place. In such simultaneity the macro and the micro are one because there is no process of duality proceeding.

    This is the state of being at the level of perception of the macrocosm. But this is not a future timeline looking back or interacting because in this state of being there is no process or being. There is only the eternal state of stillness.

    As soon as the Process of being is considered, being equates with process, and what lies in stillness is not an aspect of this procession. The awareness of that still existence is an eternal state of NOT being.
    This is the very core of the universe. What is being considered here is the very difference between The One alone and inactive, and The One proceeding to exist from a state of solitude.

    Some like to call it the big bang.
    But regardless, it is the instance of being that sets the stage for the difference between the macro and the micro existing beyond an eternal moment, and proceeding into an unknown, unfinished design process.

    The macro is not in the future awaiting our arrival.
    The macro is here and now with its fragmented experience proceeding into that Mystery along with it.

    Here is something to contemplate which might elucidate on what I am offering here.

    There are certain lights that we gaze upon in the sky, that do not even exist anymore as the source of that light which we are interacting with.
    What we perceive is the traveling light of a long burnt out planetary body which no longer even exists at that point now.
    If we were able to instantly transport to the source of that light we would find nothing there.
    What created the light no longer exists.
    As much as we would like to think that all exists in one eternal moment, the fact is that star is long gone right now.
    This is because process means to proceed. And in procession the state of being becomes removed from one point in the process and is moved into another point.
    The star, though interacting with us now as one aspect of its process of being, has moved from that eternal moment into proceeding moment.
    That light having moved long ago, and continuing to interact today, is not some future self, rather it is an ongoing process, and one which began in the past.
    We can say that the Higher self may exist in the past, but we cannot say that, in the process, it exists in the future having already proceeded, and awaits our arrival or interacts with us from the future.

    Simultaniety cannot be applied to this context unless we stop the process of being.

    Unlike the star which looks like it is still there shining brightly, the Higher Self actually IS still there shining brightly.
    The star has proceeded in its process of being as travelling light.
    The Higher self has proceeded in its state of being as the experience of the Fragment.
    The difference is that the star is a fragment and the Light is The One. The difference is that The One still exists where it began. Whereas the star/fragment proceeds from its origin caught up in the process, and will not be macrocosmic in its manifestation.

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    10-10-2012, 06:18 AM (This post was last modified: 10-10-2012, 07:27 AM by godwide_void.)
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    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The confusion arises when one considers higher or further phases of evolution as being incompatible with occurring simultaneously. The sum total of one's existence is not a point on a spectrum but should rather be seen as being the entire spectrum. One may choose to envision this spectrum as a longitudinal/latitudinal line or a sphere, this existential grid containing the current point which one experiences themselves as in any lower form and all possible experiences and paths existing congruently to ones current point of awareness. Experiences which the lower manifestation has yet to undergo all exist in potentiation within this spectrum, as well as the residual roads leading to possible experiences which have been bypassed.

    All beings exist as their own spectrum of existence encompassing every component of themselves, even those aspects which are beyond one's current awareness. You ask where within this illusion can a higher state of being exist as reality. To this I say that one's higher state of being has always existed as reality beyond this illusion, although to accurately cover all fluctuating circumstances of the essence of being, it would perhaps be more proper to say "other" states of being. The reason for this being that, as I have stated in reference to beings which have yet to achieve a state of spiritual evolution beyond the lower densities of awareness, what is viewed as the highest self counterpart for these beings is simply their disembodied, disincarnate consciousness which exists beyond physicality, mortality, human life and death.

    It sounds again that when you speak of higher self you are actually speaking of the macrocosm as opposed to the microcosm. For example, that the higher self of the microcosm is the macrocosm.

    But that is different than suggesting that the macrocosm is somehow in the future, and interacting with its past experience in an effort to direct the course of its evolution. A course established with a divine Design in which interaction between fields is essential to evolution of both micro and macro awareness and being.

    The macrocosmic and microcosmic components of the megacosm are co-existent, co-dependent and interwoven into one another. When you consider the interaction between fields, expand this notion to include the interaction between the macrocosmic field and the lower microcosmic field. When I speak of the higher self I am indeed stating that the macrocosm is the higher counterpart to the microcosm, but what I am also intending to convey is that while the higher self is rooted predominately in the macrocosm, portions of it seep into and become entangled within the microcosm. Similarly, the lower self is primarily ingrained into the microcosm, while also being linked into the macrocosm.

    When the considerations of higher self/macrocosm and lower self/microcosm as being interchangeable arise, misunderstanding arises as this causes a conceptual division to occur, that there exists a dividing wedge between both that inhibits interaction or overlapping. This is not so. The macrocosm retains its own respective expansive functionality, regions, processess and modes of existence, as does the microcosm. In all instances there is overlapping and reflective interrelatedness, and this extends into the consideration of awareness and the specificity of an entity's dimensional being in relation to these two distinct yet blurred regions of existence.

    The higher self counterpart of a lower self being is not solely macrocosmic, in that a portion of its being is incarnated into the microcosm, and while its awareness is situated in the macrocosm, it is also interfacing and interacting with and within the microcosm.

    The lower self counterpart of a higher self being is not solely microcosmic, in that it is a lower extension manifestation of a higher counterpart which governs the metaphysical processes which serve to keep the cogs in the machine of its entire consciousness turning. While the lower self counterpart generally takes the reigns of the conscious awareness for the duration of a veiled incarnative experience, the higher self is, unbeknownst to it, equally aware of the lower self's experiences and privy to a whole host of factors which are beyond the scope of its lower self counterparts conscious accessions including the sum total of all incarnations, the momentary options of possible universes which lie in potentiation awaiting manifestation in response to the thoughts and actions which the lower self generates, the etheric grid system with which the system of attraction and repelling of vibration and energy operates upon, and essentially everything which takes place within the non-local regions of consciousness in relation to the lower form.

    Even if the lower self dwells within the microcosm, it only experiences animation, navigation, guidance, and proper existential integration because of its simultaneously operating macrocosmic counterpart. The awareness of both are always in motion, even if one portion is aware of both while the other is only aware of its level, at times. The existence of both are not dualistic, for they function as a single intertwining flux.

    The lower self cannot be a lower self without the higher self as the meta-anchor point, and the higher self cannot be a higher self without the lower self with which to position itself against and act as the guiding axis. To assume that the macrocosm and microcosm are separate is to assume that there is inactivity or cessation of processing in one when the awareness is situated in the other, which is incorrect.

    The macrocosm is partially overlapping with the microcosm, and the microcosm partially overlaps with the macrocosm. It is only from the microcosmic standpoint that the macrocosm appears inaccessible and invisible when in fact all of our imagination, creative prowess, divine capabilities are rooted in the macrocosm, as are the manifestations of our synchronicities, and our perceptual awareness is dual-natured in that it is the macrocosmic self which generates our awareness and operates behind the curtain while the microcosm pilots it in the foreground.

    ShinAr Wrote:
    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: This form of theirs is higher in the sense that its mode of awareness and experience is open to non-local realms of consciousness, and yet can their experiences really be categorized as "higher" when it is the "descent" into incarnation which is the substantiating factor in their evolution through consciousness?

    In the instance where a field of consciousness has indeed achieved higher levels and forms of being, their existence as reality within the illusion directly coincides with their parallel incarnated lower extensions. Just as you previously and accurately pointed out that stillness and time are nothing more than the awareness of the state of being experiencing them, so too is one's perception of higher and lower being or progress in evolution dependent on the awareness of the particular state of being experiencing them in relation to their current position in the spectrum of existence.

    To the lower point within one's total spectrum of existence, one may appear to still be evolving and striving towards transcending into a higher form, and is still subject to learning, to trials and errors, and experiences such as existential handicaps that leads one to assume that their progress is confined completely to that point and form. To the higher evolved self point within one's spectrum of being which exists simultaneously and oversees the experiences of the lower point on the spectrum, it retains full awareness of its total sum of progress, experience, capabilities and its highest stage of evolution, although the lower point upon the spectrum is necessarily sectioned off from this awareness so as to serve the purpose of furthering the overall evolution of the entire spectrum by plunging into the illusory arena of human existence.

    It is in the forging of a connection with one's higher counterpart and the opening of the lines of communication with the higher point of one's spectrum of being, and cooperatively engaging in interaction with other points of one's total spectrum does it become clear that the line dividing higher and lower being is as much an illusion as the lines which divide the single unbroken continuum of awareness into past, present, and future. Although the circumstances of one's current human awareness relegate their knowledge and perception of their self as being "lower", in truth one's existence does not begin nor end with the false boundaries of human existence. One's lower self cannot exist unless one is existing beyond this world, regardless whether ones "outer essence" is capable only of reincarnation and has yet to achieve experience in higher dimensions or one's "outer essence" is as ancient as the Creation itself and is thus able to interact with the lower portions of itself upon its entire spectrum and directly affect the experience of the lower form in mysteriously miraculous ways.

    I understand but the problem is in the use of higher macro self being somehow a future event which has already taken place.
    What you are saying here implies an eternal moment for the purpose of installing simultaneity into the design, but in so doing do you not remove the aspect of a continuing infinite process continuing to unfold?
    In establishing the macro as somehow beyond the process, you can assimilate simultaneity, but you cannot also assimilate the unknown possibilities which might occur as the process continues to unfold.
    One cannot have their cake, eat it, and still have it after it is eaten.

    You must not confuse the moment of eternity for being equivalent to stagnancy or inertia. The macrocosm is not beyond the process of the perpetual evolution of consciousness and neither is the microcosm apart from it as these two terms denote two overarching regions within the vast sea of consciousness. These two opposing but reflectively interlinked modes of consciousness only arise due to the infinite process of being and becoming, and as both macrocosm and microcosm progress in a parallel manner, so is the entire process unfolding accordingly.

    Within the Creator there is both macrocosm and microcosm, and its mode of being and functions are not exclusive to only the macrocosm as this would imply that all things microcosmic are "other than" or void of the essence of the Creator. For all intents and purposes, what is being denoted as macrocosm are higher dimensions and existence beyond incarnation and physicality and all which dwells as lower awareness individuated being and barred from perceiving the rest of existence in its many layers is microcosm.

    The lower's progression is concordant with the higher, and the higher plays a crucial role in determining and overseeing the evolution of the lower. In both macrocosm and microcosm, the process of evolving being stretching outwards into still unknown possibilities, causing them to become known and real upon manifestation, is well in flux.

    As the macrocosmic forces cause the cake to manifest in the microcosm, it is still not yet eaten however the possible timelines which may be entered are most slanted towards the cake being eaten, an event which has still not occurred in consciousness but is most likely considering the intention held by the being who acquired the cake, the utensils to eat it, and maintains the will to consume the cake. There still exists the future possibility that a sudden change of heart may occur and the cake becomes saved for later or shared with another, but for that moment the potential universe where the cake is eaten lies in queue to come into existence. As the action is taken in the microcosm of the consumption of the cake, the macrocosm reflects this action by manifesting the proper reality with which to mirror the action of the no longer existing cake.

    There is simultaneity of existence of being and awareness, but proceeding events do not enter manifestation until the steps are taken to cause their existence to be so. The form of consciousness of the cake exists, as does a vibrational representation of it in higher dimensions. The event in consciousness of the cake being obtained and consumed does not overlap with the initial existence of the cake until some form of awareness incites this interaction.


    (09-19-2012, 02:29 PM)godwide_void Wrote: The reality of the illusion is that is blocks out the awareness of one's current higher state of being or bars one from being aware of the possible other forms of being which one may eventually enter, and I am specifically speaking to higher dimensional forms. Within the illusion, what we may regard as higher states of being are only so within this illusion and are only a taste of what awaits us beyond it. We may engage in activities which heighten our vibration as a human, but in truth we are only heightening the vibration of one individual point which we are currently confined to on a spectrum which expands the more which we evolve, and our higher states of being are possibilities within the entire spectrum which we have either already attained and have temporarily stepped out of in order to experience lower regions of the spectrum for any number of reasons or are simply possibilities which await our proper interaction and connection within the universe to attain them even if we must first exit this illusion in order to blossom into such forms.


    The possibility exists also, depending upon the timeline probabilities which a being enters, for a higher self to enter into existence midway through the incarnation of a lower density entity. This is resultant from the fact that the more polarized choices and actions an individual takes which causes its potential future to become more aligned with its ascension, the corresponding universe will become generated wherein it already has ascended and is well on its way to experiencing dimensions far beyond the lower, and this curious paradox exists given that lower dimensional actions actually have a higher dimensional reaction in conjunction with the previous disclaimer that time is illusory and beyond the confines of this illusion one's manner of perceiving consciousness takes on a more spatially-oriented manner of interfacing.

    Likewise, for entities who have no individual "higher self", this is due to their inability to have achieved the entrance into the evolutionary path or timeline where they have managed to bring into manifestation a future parallel version of themselves which has achieved a high enough frequency to exist as a higher dimensional being. This also applies exclusively to entities who are not Wanderers and have only ever existed as a lower being in the lower densities for regardless of the actions and path taken by an entity who is originally of a higher form of being, nothing will negate the existence of a "higher self" for them as they were already a "higher self" prior to becoming a lower self.

    For one final reiteration and clarification, I would like to briefly summarize that simultaneity equates to timelessness, and time is constructed by self-aware contents of consciousness in order to devise a means of categorizing and marking the passage of events, and all seemingly disconnected events and experiences exist as a result of one singular unfolding eternal moment of consciousness whereby one moment and one action consists of all moments and all activities.

    Quote:Simultaneity equates to timelessness.
    Timelessness is the stillness of an eternal moment in which no process is being realized. Timelessness would be the complete lack of awareness and interaction.
    So then, simultaneity is the complete lack of awareness or interaction, or process of being.

    I contend that simultaneity is simply the instance of stillness within the design where no awareness of passage of time, due to the experiencing of interaction, takes place. In such simultaneity the macro and the micro are one because there is no process of duality proceeding.

    The stillness is not inertia nor lack of activity or movement. All is in constant motion and the simultaneous process of the template which the process occurs in as being immovable so as to provide a firm and ordered foundation while the gears turning within this somnambulant monument are always turning, yet what sets these gears apart are the fact that upon each completed rotation the gear is no longer the exact same gear as it was during its first rotation with the complete change in its form, its rate of vibration, its momentary characteristics always fluctuating and marching forward and ever onward while the ground it is planted within, a garden which from a distance appears solid and motionless in reality is comprised of flora which are always dancing, different components which are always modified and contribute to the growth and state of the total canvas.

    Timelessness does not negate awareness but it is awareness which lends its diction towards applying the connotation it deems to attempt to explain and identify the invisible phenomenon of each moment's hidden mechanisms "behind" the scenes of what devises each moment. What is the accurate systematic explanation behind the paradigm of time if one were to consider it from perspective of a mechanical process? Consider first the element of the awareness necessary to perceive a moment and a mind capable of processing and devising something such as a 'concept' which it believes will explain what is occurring but is rather adding a unique signifier to the template of reality which through the metaphysical microcosmic processes of vibrationally programming this carved out nexus in this dimension of existence and providing the feedback loop which both feeds into and outputs the greater macrocosmic processes of sustaining both the seen and unseen faculties of just this density of awareness alone, creating the very conditions in consciousness of you, a being with awareness and experience and thoughts and perception, are stationed in an experience within consciousness where you may question the very reality you are embedded in, sustain, imbue, and also encompass.

    Consciousness is an essence as waveform which inverts, extends, loops, overlaps, implodes, explodes, swirls, thrashes, immerses, basks, overlooks, and ripples in and of itself. The emptiness which creates fullness does not require the consideration of applying markers to each individual movement within it to function, for it is never anchored down of its own volition but does not need to shift its perfected position of enraptured meditation with chaotic contortions of movement within.

    Awareness is constantly interacting with itself even when it appears inactive or stationary. You may sit at the chair and not move, and enter a state resembling timelessness when there appears to be no actions being taken by yourself or by any element in your surroundings, and since there is no change you have seemed to halt the processes of your reality thereby causing you to lead one extended unaltered moment or a succession of moments in which no modifications occurred.

    And yet, as your body is still, is not your mind and the molecular constituents within your vehicle still operating in the background of a still foreground? So too, is the Creator artfully immobile while various revolutions and involutions within it beget evolution.

    Time is not only a construct of the perspectives of the awareness maintaining perception of the continuum of consciousness but as consciousness, perspectives, and awareness are constructs of the Creator, ultimately time becomes directly devised through the conjoining of these constructive tools which themselves need to be sustained by the source which generates all paradigms individually and interrelatedly in order for such interactions and applications to occur for the notion of "time" to arise. Perception is not above reality but dwells within it.

    Quote:This is the state of being at the level of perception of the macrocosm. But this is not a future timeline looking back or interacting because in this state of being there is no process or being. There is only the eternal state of stillness.

    As soon as the Process of being is considered, being equates with process, and what lies in stillness is not an aspect of this procession. The awareness of that still existence is an eternal state of NOT being.
    This is the very core of the universe. What is being considered here is the very difference between The One alone and inactive, and The One proceeding to exist from a state of solitude.

    There does not need to be a division between passivity and activity. The nature of the Creator cannot be answered without the usage of constant paradox. The Creator is the forger and container of all states. It is both solitude and crowded abundance, both activity within passivity and passivity within inactivity. What may a figment of the imagination truly say regarding the module which imagines it? Are we not a state of being in process, and a process undergoing a state of being? The One is both the being, the process, above the elements which it creates and within the contraption which has been created by Its elements.

    The awareness and the stillness, of which you say the combination do not create being; are they not connected to the same thing? Is not the awareness becoming aware of the characteristics of the foundation it is planted within? Is not that foundation being? The stillness of the universe is the nature of its being and the nature of its being is a process involving awareness of being and a being of awareness becoming aware of the process of its awareness which itself is a process comprising the beingness of the process.

    Quote:Some like to call it the big bang.
    But regardless, it is the instance of being that sets the stage for the difference between the macro and the micro existing beyond an eternal moment, and proceeding into an unknown, unfinished design process.

    The macro is not in the future awaiting our arrival.
    The macro is here and now with its fragmented experience proceeding into that Mystery along with it.

    I am in total agreement, and the fragmented experience within the microcosm mirrors the totaled experience of the macrocosm, and the interaction and awareness maintained by both between both are what ultimately create that very meta-process of being evolving into the unknown. The macrocosm and microcosm are interdependent.

    Quote:Here is something to contemplate which might elucidate on what I am offering here.

    There are certain lights that we gaze upon in the sky, that do not even exist anymore as the source of that light which we are interacting with.
    What we perceive is the traveling light of a long burnt out planetary body which no longer even exists at that point now.
    If we were able to instantly transport to the source of that light we would find nothing there.
    What created the light no longer exists.
    As much as we would like to think that all exists in one eternal moment, the fact is that star is long gone right now.
    This is because process means to proceed. And in procession the state of being becomes removed from one point in the process and is moved into another point.
    The star, though interacting with us now as one aspect of its process of being, has moved from that eternal moment into proceeding moment.
    That light having moved long ago, and continuing to interact today, is not some future self, rather it is an ongoing process, and one which began in the past.
    We can say that the Higher self may exist in the past, but we cannot say that, in the process, it exists in the future having already proceeded, and awaits our arrival or interacts with us from the future.

    The process of being which maintained the star led to a process of light emanating from that star, and the process of the termination of the star led to the process of the cessation of the light, and the process of our being and awareness are acting as focal points to observe the ripples of the phenomenon which the star's various process led to. In each process which proceeded, remember that the very nature of a process existing and the causal event of its unfolding could not exist unless embedded within the imagination of the Creator, and it has been established that within there is activity and motion of consciousness in both macrocosm and microcosm and the foundational property of the megacosm is a base which is meditatively still but not inert, motionlessness containing motion.

    Quote:Simultaniety cannot be applied to this context unless we stop the process of being.

    It is within this process of being that the concept of simultaneity could have manifested within consciousness, and the existence of this concept is dependent upon the consideration of the construct of time which itself depends upon the operation of a process to create a focal point and a point that is to be focused upon. Simultaneity exists as a subset of the system of time, a system which we both determine to be secondary and illusory.

    Quote:Unlike the star which looks like it is still there shining brightly, the Higher Self actually IS still there shining brightly.
    The star has proceeded in its process of being as travelling light.
    The Higher self has proceeded in its state of being as the experience of the Fragment.
    The difference is that the star is a fragment and the Light is The One. The difference is that The One still exists where it began. Whereas the star/fragment proceeds from its origin caught up in the process, and will not be macrocosmic in its manifestation.

    The higher cannot exist without the lower. The lower exists alongside the higher, and the higher surrounds the lower. Both exist within a spectrum. Whether the star and fragment are a process and product of the microcosm they include a macrocosmic counterpart within the one template which governs and produces both. The origin both manifests the process and can itself only be a manifestation as an origin when there is a proceeding process positing it as a point of origin. The origins of the macrocosm and microcosm are caught up in the process of both, and both are manifestations which result as processes within the origin as the origin becoming an extension of Itself, thus the origin exists within the process and the process within the origin, as they both interface and situate alongside one another.
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