Pyramid construction documentary

[Lavazza]

Hey guys,

I ran across a three hour documentary that is intended to debunk many popular "ancient aliens" theories, as proposed by the History channel program of the same name. Personally I'm not a fan of debunking. generally, as it has become known today- i.e. usually an exercise in cynicism and competitive debate. However this one piqued my interest as it is fairly "polite" and even handed- and because it deals directly with an area of great interest to me, which is the Great pyramid of Giza.

In a way, the parts of the Ra material where the pyramids are discussed are my least favorite, because by speaking so specifically about them makes the material more assailable, since there are more things we can try and verify. This makes me uncomfortable because part of my worldview can now be proven incorrect by comparing it to reality.

Anyways, the documentary goes as far as it can in explaining how the pyramid could have been constructed by humans, and although it doesn't do a complete job in doing so- there are several things which are still "mysterious", it does put a pretty significant dent in the alien hypothesis. I remember a part of the Ra material where Don asks why it appears that the pyramid is constructed (out of many blocks rather than one solid rock), and it is answered that they did not want to infringe on freewill- they wanted it to at least be explain-ably made by humans. But I have some issue with this idea- it's the exact same explanation used by the most hard core biblical creationists to explain the size and speed of the universe. 'Hey, god created everything in this exact size and at this exact speed, everything already cratered, looking millions of years old, at exactly 6000 years ago...' etc. It's an argument that can't be honestly argued because it's impossible to disprove a negative.

It leads me to believe that most of what Ra spoke about concerning pyramid construction may be wrong. But I'd like to hear what you think too. It's rare when this happens, but I really want to be wrong Here is the documentary link, you can jump right to 22:24 to find the pyramid section, which lasts about 12-15 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

Would love to hear your thoughts

[Bring4th_Austin]

I agree basically 100% with your post. I don't consider "debunking" a proper skeptical method, and even that video reaches too far in trying to discredit Ancient Aliens, saying the show claims some things which they don't, and discrediting these false statements. Though I'm no fan of Ancient Aliens.

But I also agree that the part about the construction of the pyramids in the Ra material has always been my least favorite part. I don't believe that it is true simply because the Ra material says it is, though when discussing with other LOO students I will tend to stick true to the material. I don't discredit the ingenuity of humans and believe that it is totally possible humans built all massive pyramids around the world, especially if we were to believe that descendants of Atlantis made their way to various places. I'm sure they had some incredible stone-working knowledge that we have not considered today.

I don't let it bug me though. The information does basically nothing for spiritual evolution and I have no problem withholding belief until some real evidence is presented, which according to Ra, might be never.

[Patrick]

That's why Ra did not like to share transient material. But still I have 0 reasons not to believe the Ra material 100%.

[zenmaster]

But still I have 0 reasons not to believe the Ra material 100%.

But what do you mean by "believe the Ra material"?

[Patrick]

But still I have 0 reasons not to believe the Ra material 100%.

But what do you mean by "believe the Ra material"?

Good one. I mean, believe my understanding of it.

[Guardian]

None of this explains how the Egyptians knew the circumference of the Earth, true North, nor explains the time required to carve out 1 million interlocking pieces (not blocks) into perfect fashion while regarding all the numbers of sacred geometry and building it in one person's lifetime. The fact that this is up for debate is exactly why it was built the way it was.

[zenmaster]

But still I have 0 reasons not to believe the Ra material 100%.

But what do you mean by "believe the Ra material"?

Good one. I mean, believe my understanding of it.

I'm going to say that Ra was severely constrained by what they could relate when having to work with the group's preexisting beliefs (or assumptions). Therefore you necessarily have to 'believe' what the group believed.

[Patrick]

But still I have 0 reasons not to believe the Ra material 100%.

But what do you mean by "believe the Ra material"?

Good one. I mean, believe my understanding of it.

I'm going to say that Ra was severely constrained by what they could relate when having to work with the group's preexisting beliefs (or assumptions). Therefore you necessarily have to 'believe' what the group believed.

Yeah I think I do. You are right.

[Peregrinus]

First off, I'd like to mention that I have been to the Great Pyramid. It is indeed awe inspiring in its complexity and sheer size.

1.2 million blocks, each weighing up to 200 tons (average of 1.5 tons), put together 6000 years ago when stone tools were prevalent, "laser cut" or formed so precisely that even today one cannot slide a piece of paper between the ones untouched by weather, not a single block is the same, yet each fits together so perfectly, like a jigsaw puzzle, that the pyramid of Giza (as all similarly built pyramids) can withstand a massive earthquake.

In order to move the stones from the quarry 150 miles away, it would have taken every large tree in Europe (because there were few trees of the type needed in Africa), leaving Europe barren. No such stripping of trees has been noted or recorded.

There isn't a construction company on Earth today that could begin to replicate such an object, so it would appear to be logical, to me, even without the Ra Materials, the answer would appear obvious. These pyramids could not possibly have been made by humans.*

I would also suggest reading this thread in order to gain further insight. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1450

*As far as the Hubble can see, we are in a single galaxy containing 200 billion suns, among 250+ billion galaxies, each galaxy containing up to a trillion suns. The thought of this being the sole planet that has advanced life is laughable at best.

[βαθμιαίος]

I'm going to say that Ra was severely constrained by what they could relate when having to work with the group's preexisting beliefs (or assumptions). Therefore you necessarily have to 'believe' what the group believed.

But "we are as we are. Thus we may either speak as we will or not speak at all. This demands a very tuned, shall we say, group."

See session 8 for an example of Ra dispelling Don's assumptions about UFOs (which had been central to his belief system for many years.)

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I have also been to the Great Pyramid and I agree with Peregrinus. Does the documentary explain how the Egyptians leveled the site to the tolerances it displays?

[GentleReckoning]

Ra mentions that the bermuda triangle is caused by the energy vortex of a pyramid underwater. So, they apparently found that pyramid...

http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2012/10/g...47234.html

[Lavazza]

In order to move the stones from the quarry 150 miles away, it would have taken every large tree in Europe (because there were few trees of the type needed in Africa), leaving Europe barren. No such stripping of trees has been noted or recorded.

But in the documentary they mention that most of the blocks were quarried within the Giza complex, not far away.

There isn't a construction company on Earth today that could begin to replicate such an object, so it would appear to be logical, to me, even without the Ra Materials, the answer would appear obvious. These pyramids could not possibly have been made by humans.*

Why do you say that it would be impossible to build today?

None of this explains how the Egyptians knew the circumference of the Earth, true North, nor explains the time required to carve out 1 million interlocking pieces (not blocks) into perfect fashion while regarding all the numbers of sacred geometry and building it in one person's lifetime. The fact that this is up for debate is exactly why it was built the way it was.

Putting it together in one persons life time is indeed mysterious. I never understood how archaeologists could determine that it was constructed in that time frame though. Anyone? It seems more likely to have been built over a longer time frame, but I'm ignorant on the matter.

Do we know that *all* of the blocks are interlocking, and so carefully aligned? My understanding is that the blocks in the chambers are finely crafted / connected, as well as the stone covering which has since broken away (earthquake). Is this also true of all the interior blocks, which would be the vast majority of them?

thanks for the feedback so far!

[Bring4th_Austin]

Putting it together in one persons life time is indeed mysterious. I never understood how archaeologists could determine that it was constructed in that time frame though. Anyone? It seems more likely to have been built over a longer time frame, but I'm ignorant on the matter.

I think that the assumption is that the pyramid was a tomb, meaning that the pharaoh would have started construction on it when he gained power and it would have to be completed before he died in order for construction to not be abandoned. Many tomb pyramids were abandoned in the midst of construction because the successive pharaoh would concentrate on their own tomb instead of finishing one for the previous ruler.

So Egyptologists take the fact it is a completed pyramid as evidence that it was completed during a single lifetime. Pretty shabby conclusions if you ask me.

[Patrick]

70.22 Questioner: I am sorry to ask such stupid questions, but I am trying to determine something about space/time, time/space, and you might say this very difficult area of the mechanism of evolution. I think it is central to the understanding of our evolution. However, I am not sure of this and I may be wasting my time. Could Ra comment on whether I am wasting my time in this particular investigation or whether it would be fruitful?

Ra: I am Ra. Since the concepts of space/time, or physics, and time/space, or metaphysics, are mechanical they are not central to the spiritual evolution of the mind/body/spirit complex. The study of love and light is far more productive in its motion towards unity in those entities pondering such concepts. However, this material is, shall we say, of some small interest and is harmless.

[KyleOrdway]

required to carve out 1 million interlocking pieces (not blocks) into perfect fashion

1.2 million blocks

The Giza Pyramid is comprised of 2,300,000 blocks.