Faith vs. Delusion

[Adonai One]

The pathes of most aspiring adepts will end not in the darkness of corrupt power but the darkness of delusion, of the deception of the universe itself.

Fantasy, magical thinking will cloud the minds of most that are able to pursue the impossible, the mystical and the mysterious. One either becomes consumed by their personal fairy tales, false gods and hallucinations or has the dedication and honesty to see the reality that resides in the inner-mind -- which is very rare.

The ones of the left-hand path often seek order in the universe and as such they are able to see the order that exists. To an extreme at times but at least to an extent to where actual work can be performed. The right-hand path, often embracing of the freewilled nature of mystery, mysticism and loving worship of supposedly powerful entities, will often become distorted to the point to where they deny the existence of order itself.

Both pathes have their own form of insanity. One being a desire for the deletion of self and the other an ever-expansive cancer of pure fantasy without structure nor intention, often being a positive-inverse of the negative path: The worship of false gods and deities in the name of "good." The sacrifice of self in the name of "good."

Really all forms of insanity in the realm of the arcane arts are of the same nature: The practicioner loses their concept of self completely and it's sacrificed to delusion.

This is the religion of most of humanity. When humanity can let go of fantasy and start having faith in sound axioms that originate in the self rather than silly books and drug-crazed, delusional states of mind, then we can pursue true knowledge.

Faith as a concept at this time is diseased. Faith does not mean you should believe in everything you could plausibly resonate with. Faith means believing in what you know about yourself but don't fully realize.

49.4 Questioner: Well, please… will you go ahead and comment on it?

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In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.

[michael430]

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[Plenum]

Shin'Ar, is that you??



have you started channeling Shin'Ar Adonai?

lol.

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in all seriousness, nice post.

[zenmaster]

Faith means believing in what you know about yourself but don't fully realize.

Sort of the other way around. Being a connection to spirit, faith is primary to belief. Faith supports the beliefs about what you know about yourself. That is, spirit = infinity, ergo the suggestion from the connection due to faith is one of self-realization.

[Unbound]

Don't you have to have faith in knowledge to find "true knowledge"?

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Like, you still have to have faith in your own ability to receive knowledge from yourself.

[AnthroHeart]

I know I was delusional when I saw Ra.

[BrownEye]

I see faith as 'knowing'. Even if you know very little, you have faith in that. The rest is just belief. Seeking should be the attempt to know more, rather than a way to add filler to belief.

You could say that faith is knowing that it is possible to know more. I think Quo said it best.

[zenmaster]

I see faith as 'knowing'.

What does "knowing" mean? Seems like another delusion, as people who "know" are also quite dysfunctional. I think this confusion comes from the fact that faith supports belief and thus faith+belief=knowing. Very few actually have workable mystical gnosis.

[Adonai One]

Is faith a function of intention as belief is?

[zenmaster]

Is faith a function of intention as belief is?

Faith is a resource which is made available through acceptance. It is of the spirit. It is something which once revealed, can not be denied and sort of guides and supports all thought and intention. On the other hand, belief is some specific structure of thoughts which has limited application. Belief tends to support a particular desire (which here in 3rd density is an "as-if" treatment), whereas faith supports any desire and does not depend on such limited conceptualization.

[Unbound]

Faith is the charge and beliefs are the conductors, mm?

[reeay]

insanity and delusion are rather clinical terms that apply to small populations... and it certainly is not the opposite of faith

[Ludi]

"Delusion is to believe there is no illusion"-Siren
You gotta stop fancying yourself as a scientist man, you sound like a euphoric fedora wearer.
"Insanity" in adepts is usually caused by energetic imbalance due to lack of discipline. I just had a cup of joe with a goblin while discussing Chaos mathematics, this 'fantasy' is confrontation with the self (as is every situation/catalyst). Seeking an objective "ULTIMATE REALITY!! WE ARE THE HARBINGERS OF PURE KNOWLEDGE! LIBERATORS OF THE MIND AND HUMANITY!" is not something I would advise lol
"Sound axioms" oh boy this actually grinds my gears you're a fan of Nietzche aren't you? What happened to "There are no facts, only interpretations"?? If you build a line of reasoning built on a flawed foundation Ie. EVERYTHING CONCEIVED BY ANYONE/ANYTHING the conclusions you reach are going to have an element of distortion. NO entity escapes this. To have no distortion in understanding is to be nothing.
Implying that "drug crazed delusional states of mind" are something to be completely disregarded is soopa silly XD ZOMG

I'll add this cos fink itz imortenrt
This "corrupting delusional darkness" that adepts often encounter on their journey are simply parts of the self not acknowledged/accepted. Also the reason left hand entities seek order is because order is a form of regulating power, they manipulate the universe to serve the self thus the name service to self lel
There's gonna be a time you find out just how "insane" this place really is lolol

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One more thing "insanity" is when there is a tangle of thought processes, a disarrangement if you will. An "insane" persons' thoughts often make plenty of sense to them but to no one else because no one shares that particular system of thought filtration. If you met Tesla while he was alive you would probably label him (a pointless practice) as insane. Let people put their views across if you want "progress" regardless of label.

[Adonai One]

Faith is the charge and beliefs are the conductors, mm?

More or less the point I am trying to make.

To limit belief to finite aspects of our lives... I find inaccurate but I see where Zenmaster is coming from being "Zen" and all.

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Faith is more like spark and beliefs are the flame.

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"Delusion is to believe there is no illusion"-Siren
You gotta stop fancying yourself as a scientist man, you sound like a euphoric fedora wearer.
"Insanity" in adepts is usually caused by energetic imbalance due to lack of discipline. I just had a cup of joe with a goblin while discussing Chaos mathematics, this 'fantasy' is confrontation with the self (as is every situation/catalyst). Seeking an objective "ULTIMATE REALITY!! WE ARE THE HARBINGERS OF PURE KNOWLEDGE! LIBERATORS OF THE MIND AND HUMANITY!" is not something I would advise lol
"Sound axioms" oh boy this actually grinds my gears you're a fan of Nietzche aren't you? What happened to "There are no facts, only interpretations"?? If you build a line of reasoning built on a flawed foundation Ie. EVERYTHING CONCEIVED BY ANYONE/ANYTHING the conclusions you reach are going to have an element of distortion. NO entity escapes this. To have no distortion in understanding is to be nothing.
Implying that "drug crazed delusional states of mind" are something to be completely disregarded is soopa silly XD ZOMG

I'll add this cos fink itz imortenrt
This "corrupting delusional darkness" that adepts often encounter on their journey are simply parts of the self not acknowledged/accepted. Also the reason left hand entities seek order is because order is a form of regulating power, they manipulate the universe to serve the self thus the name service to self lel
There's gonna be a time you find out just how "insane" this place really is lolol

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One more thing "insanity" is when there is a tangle of thought processes, a disarrangement if you will. An "insane" persons' thoughts often make plenty of sense to them but to no one else because no one shares that particular system of thought filtration. If you met Tesla while he was alive you would probably label him (a pointless practice) as insane. Let people put their views across if you want "progress" regardless of label.

There are only so many galactic laws you can deny, my friend.

[Unbound]

Who decides galactic law?

[Adonai One]

Who decides galactic law?

The intention set by the logos?

[Ludi]

Lol like what? What 'galactic law' am I denying?
Your way too attached to the notion of order. The only 'galactic law' I can think of is that there are no laws in y'know cos of freewill lol omg XDD

[Adonai One]

Lol like what? What 'galactic law' am I denying?

Even interpretation itself is governed by the fact that it's very conception exists. The principles of perception cannot be denied as even insanity has its order.

[Ludi]

Logos: "lol du wat u lyk guize"

Pls tell me more about the principles of perception oh wise harbinger of truth lolol
You're going all linear man, srsly you need to learn to control this, it's a bad habit.

lol you gotta break up these lines and i'm gonna help you for the cheap price of my valuable time
Ok here I go, wish mi luck ))

NO.1 nothing exists, stop creating a dichotomy within your mind of things that do and don't. Now that's delusion! *ba dum tss*
NO.2 As I've said before singular cause/effect is the way to go if you're into not understanding things
NO.3 Replace that "governed' with "influenced" remember that you have freewill my little creator

But back to your confident assertion:
If you take time and read my words I do suggest that insanity does have an order, it's just a different order than what most people are used to.
Ok, friend, just remember you are not the chosen one and the responsibility you heave upon yourself is your own (poor) choice, also stop calling faithful ppl diseased its not very nice )

[Unbound]

Ra: I am Ra. The answer is to redirect your thought processes from any mechanical view of evolution. The will of the Logos posits the potentials available to the evolving entity. The will of the entity as it evolves is the single measure of the rate and fastidiousness of the activation and balancing of the various energy centers.

Questioner: I guess, under the first distortion, it was the free will of the Logos to choose to evolve without free will. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

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Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is further the nature of that Logos.

The original Logos’s experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more. Therefore we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.

[Adonai One]

[BrownEye]

I see faith as 'knowing'.

What does "knowing" mean? Seems like another delusion, as people who "know" are also quite dysfunctional. I think this confusion comes from the fact that faith supports belief and thus faith+belief=knowing. Very few actually have workable mystical gnosis.

Not sure what you mean by mystical gnosis.

You could say that this is what I mean by 'knowing'. This would describe the Sacred Heart, the High Heart, the Rose chakra, the Thymus. And yes, very few activate it.

The heart and the knowledge of the heart is the higher knowledge when compared with the knowledge of the mind. We do not wish to denigrate the knowledge of the mind or the process of investigation of that incoming information which is precisely what the mind and the intellect were created to process. Indeed, we encourage the natural functions of the mind and would only suggest that the mind be honest with itself and not indulge in sophistry and shallow thought but go deeper and penetrate, to the best of your intellectual ability, the tendency towards shallow analysis as opposed to a deeper and broader point of view that shall bring you more information at a level that shall be helpful to you.

Rather, we were suggesting that it is helpful, when attempting to move from head to heart, to start with the knowledge that the higher faculty is heart and the lesser of the two is mind. Therefore, you have that powerful ally of the heart to ask for help when you are attempting to invite the mind to rest within the mystery of that which is unknown and which must forever, within third density, remain essentially unknown and mysterious. There are guards upon the knowledge that is the gnosis or knowing. It can only be approached through the faculty of faith.

(Side one of tape ends.)

(Carla channeling)

The experiences that you have had recently have numbed your mental faculties and awakened your faith. You have been rebalanced in order that you might take in this content which now is amazing you and making you wonder if you shall ever be able to master the experience or control it in any way.

We do not believe that it is possible to master or control the knowing of the heart. What needs the mastery and the control is the use of the mind. When the mind has been given greater honor and respect than it deserves, when it has been enshrined, there is born an inherent imbalance in the construct of thought within that entity’s mental, physical and spiritual nexus. The experience that the one known as B has had recently has removed the glamour of the intellect and so the entity has awakened to the deeper knowing of the heart.

Now, the faith, when taken hold of by the seeker, creates an area of control in all situations within this or your illusion, indeed, within any that we know of. How to lay hold upon that natural function? How to encourage it? We have often said that faith, when first chosen as a way of living, is nothing more than a leap into space. Faith creates itself in the mid-air, when the will of the seeker has been surrendered. That first so-called leap of faith is a beginning. It could be nothing more than the conscious decision, the promise to the self, “I will live by faith.” This is a good beginning.

The will is invoked by such an affirmation. Each time the seeker subsequently [finds] itself mired in useless and cyclical worry the affirmation may be repeated, “I will live by faith.” Sooner or later there comes a moment when the repetition has bred a new and positive habit of mind and in that moment the seeker finds that she has skipped the usual habit of worry and been inspired spontaneously to affirm, “I will live by faith.” That moment of peace is as precious as your rare metals and should be stored carefully in a special part of the memory, that memory that lies just behind the surface of things.

Now, the faculty called faith stems from an infinite sureness, a knowledge of self that rests deep within the roots of mind. All that the seeker does when invoking faith is to reach towards the root of mind where that faculty lies waiting to be encouraged to grow. Eventually, faith does become a habit, and during periods of the incarnation when an entity is experiencing those things which are perceived as pleasant, she may rest and experience the peace which passes understanding. Yet there shall, in the natural cycle of light and dark that is your illusion, be times when there is no comfort. There is no spontaneous feeling of faith. And then it is that the wise seeker is content to live upon the bare memory of those winsome, glad times when the spirit is high and the faith flowed like water. These memories are true and they are as the talisman that protects the entity suffering through change and transformation even though no sense of faith remains.

Faith is indeed a gift in that some entities have a clearer line or connection with their own unconscious mind. Faith is also a built-in, inherent and native portion of the deep mind and thusly it can be developed and pulled up into the conscious existence by one who works to form the habit of turning to faith and faith’s ability to give one the opportunity to create that area of control which changes the fear and fret of daily worry into an occasion to invoke faith. Once that feeling has been experienced of the support given by faith, then it becomes more and more natural to turn from the small circle of worry to the upreaching of prayer, intercession, praise and thanksgiving.

Those things which aid in connecting the faith deep within to the conscious mind include first of all the regular meditation, for in the silence of meditation connections from within the deep mind are being made and information is flowing. Also, we suggest the encouragement within the self of praise and thanksgiving for all, large and small, or the ephemeral world that may meet the senses. Prayer, praise and thanksgiving are three resources that add and strengthen the connection to faith.

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This might interest everyone.

The supposition that faith is the climate or environment which enables
the seeker to call forth the energies that come from beyond the
gateway to intelligent infinity is lacking in completeness while
retaining a certain amount of truth. Consequently, we would speak not
only of faith but also of will and desire as well as intention.

As the quotation from those of Ra expresses, the upward spiraling
energy of the one infinite Creator moves ceaselessly and infinitely
through the [physical] mind/body and the mind/body of the energy body
as well. The will of the seeker is the energy which activates that
process by which what this instrument would call the kundalini is
activated.

An entity may rest in faith for a whole life long knowing, as the one
known as G has said, that all is well, without ever leaving the
sanctity of the open heart. Indeed it is not necessary to work with
the gateway to intelligent infinity in order for a seeker to live a
life of highly polarized service to others and to graduate into fourth
density when the time comes.

The heart and its energy center hold the key to moving forward with
the evolution of mind, body and spirit, in that the heart is that
sanctuary in which the immediate presence of the one infinite Creator
is always available. Indeed, it is the nature of the green-ray energy
center to be sanctified and utterly positive, resounding with the
vibrations of unconditional love.

[Ludi]

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[zenmaster]

I see faith as 'knowing'.

What does "knowing" mean? Seems like another delusion, as people who "know" are also quite dysfunctional. I think this confusion comes from the fact that faith supports belief and thus faith+belief=knowing. Very few actually have workable mystical gnosis.

Not sure what you mean by mystical gnosis.

You could say that this is what I mean by 'knowing'. This would describe the Sacred Heart, the High Heart, the Rose chakra, the Thymus. And yes, very few activate it.

That's the "interior" view which is introduced with the level of vibration which corresponds to the heart. It's the first vibration which allows transpersonal awareness. It's part of a cycle of orientation: in->out->in->out, or me->we->me->we. Higher still is a "temporal" view, then formless. Each corresponds to a "body". Interestingly it is this introduction combined with the uninformed mind (i.e. promoted by various memes, such as the new-age magical meme) which encourages reversion back to pre-rational treatments which of course is usually confused with trans-rational states. Such confusion is enthusiastically demonstrated in these channeling sessions - esp "Qu'o" . Even Jung fell prey to the fallacy.