[split] The Mystery School Lineage

[native]

When you think about it, we're basically participating in the mystery school lineage already. The Ra material itself seems influenced by Don's interest in the Golden Dawn which comes from Rosicrucianism (which Freemasonry seems to have come from as well), and these groups all claim to have knowledge that comes from Egypt. And so it's very likely that the mystery school concept came from Ra's contact with the Egyptians.

[Matt1]

When you think about it, we're basically participating in the mystery school lineage already. The Ra material itself seems influenced by Don's interest in the Golden Dawn which comes from Rosicrucianism (which Freemasonry seems to have come from as well), and these groups all claim to have knowledge that comes from Egypt. And so it's very likely that the mystery school concept came from Ra's contact with the Egyptians.

I agree with you on this one. I believe that the original teachings of Ra from Ancient Egypt , which i would personally bring it in with the time line of atlantis into pre history rather than the conventional time line that is accepted by the academics. These teachings in my opinion came down into Rome when they went into Egypt. After the fall of Rome the teachings most likely came into Britain, they even built mitheric lodges here. Its interesting to note that Freemasonry came out of Britain. I think this is most likely the progression of the teachings, however that being said they would have most likely became fairly distorted. The rosicrucian's are an interesting one, we have no direct evidence that an order existed to begin with, i have heard it was partly inspired by John Dee travel through Europe. His seal i believe is on the Rosicrucian manifesto.

Don't forget about the knights Templar, they started the first international banking system, had initiation rites and an interest in solomons temple, which is what the masonic teachings are based on.

[native]

John Dee is an interesting guy. My understanding is that Christian Rosenkreutz started the Rosicrucian order in the 15th century, which interestingly enough was simply inspired by his studies of Sufism, the mystical branch of Islam. He was traveling around and studied under Sufi mystics. But then there's the hermetic and alchemical influences that were woven into it, which most likely stem from Egypt and tie in with your theory. I've read that since Freemasonry (not the medieval mason guild) showed up in the 1700's after the first Rosicrucian documents appeared publicly in the 1600's, along with the fact that a lot of the Freemason's beginning documents mention their brothers of the Rosicrucian order, that it's suggested that some Rosicrucians branched off to form Freemasonry.

A great resource I came across is The Ritman Library. It's a hermetic library in Amsterdam. A good video to watch on their Youtube channel is "The Real Hermetic Tradition" which is tied in with the other video "Platonic Orientalism." It talks about Hermes, Plato, and Zoroaster which ties in with this discussion.

Edit: Rosenkreutz formed the Rosicrucians in the 1400's.

[Matt1]

Rosycross never existed he was a myth like Hiram of the masonry. However the story seems to hold some true about teachings coming from the east into the west, i think its probably referring to the eastern byzantine empire that kept going after the west went into the dark ages. I have heard the Rosicrucian/masonic connection before but as far as i am aware, the Rosicrucians never existed as an actual order as such but was more of a ideal or concept that was later worked into different fraternities.

[native]

Him never existing is one viewpoint and perhaps you're right. I can also see the possibility of Rosicrucianism having its roots in what's spoken of as the invisible order; teachers contacted on other planes. Ra's recent approach was in this same vein.

[Aion]

Trying to trace the roots of mystery traditions is like trying to trace the roots of a tree under the ground. You can dig them up, but you might accidentally kill the tree.