Question regarding 3rd density.

[zenmaster]

Apparently, marine mammals and trees do not have a veil. They are 3d STOs.

On other planets perhaps. Not sure where you got the idea they don't have a veil. That quote certainly does not support it.

From Akashic Records.

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Q'uo - January 20 2009:
The necessity to engage in a dialogue between humans and dolphins, humans and whales, and humans and porpoises is attractive and compelling to many of your scientists, who grasp the unusual intelligence of these ocean-going mammals.
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Your world is full of limits: on this side is your property, on the other, someone else’s. In your closet are your clothes, not someone else’s. You spend a good deal of your time amassing your stockpile of useful and desirable items and these, too, must be maintained. Batteries need changing, power cords must be found. The list goes on and on.
This is in stark contrast to your brothers and sisters who are able to ride freely through the ever-changing waters where food is plentiful and is found with no discernable effort, where all waters are acceptable in temperature, where there is no money to make and there are no goods to buy. There is nothing to store up against a harsh winter or old age. There is only the air to breathe, the water in which to swim, companionship and the dreams, meditations and contemplations of all the years of life.
What can you learn from the contemplation of these differences, my brother? It was the choice of those Atlanteans who volunteered for the experiments in genetics to choose these beautiful animals. The politics of their home in Atlantis seemed to them to be questionable in polarity [and so it seemed] desirable to them, therefore, to use their technology to embark upon a great adventure.
These, then, who swim the seas of your time, are the descendants of the philosophers and sages who saw a better way to move through the spiritual evolution of third density, choosing not so much service to others as a refusal to live in service to self.

That one does.

Where do you get no veil?

[Whitefeather]

Awesome quote WF.

Amazing, isn't it, Gem? The Q'uo session about whales and dolphins is one of my favorite... I simply love it!

zenmaster wrote:
Where do you get no veil?

Through reading the sessions.
As I mentioned above, Akashic records confirmed it.
I dug this for you where you'll find some clues if you link the information to some of the Q'UO sessions and, connect the dots. http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?sea...&ss=1&sc=1

Be well

[zenmaster]

I don't see it - either the 3D aspect or the non-veiled aspect. 3D is veiled - that's why it's 3D. In order to have extant memory of everything experienced one needs a certain balance which is not a property of 3D-vibrational working - on purpose. As Ra said, one works in the dark with a tiny candle.

Also the limitations for opportunity imposed on whales/dolphins/trees here would not seem to be amenable to balancing needs of the logos (i.e. as we see characterized in the tarot) at the 3D level. For example, development of will and faith, discernment, removal of distortions through circumstances which would confront one with dilemmas, a range of choices, creation - arts/sciences/ideologies. Yes, I do see higher 'intelligence' in these creatures, but only compared to other 2D animals. As far as the range of 3D attributes, only a distilled semblance. But no, I don't believe Carla in this particular regard and in many other of her biases and attempts to basically appease her guests.

[Whitefeather]

I don't see it - either the 3D aspect or the non-veiled aspect.

It's ok, don't worry about it.

3D is veiled - that's why it's 3D.

3d STS is veiled in order to accelerate the process of learning in consciousness through constant friction with otherselves.
3d STO is not veiled, but then, they are not really in a hurry to learn though they certainly live happier and playful lives.
This world where we are at present is all we know or can remember, at last when we are still behind the veil. So I see it as quite normal to encounter resistance in people at the idea that there exist 3d STO entities on Earth now living with us.

In order to have extant memory of everything experienced one needs a certain balance which is not a property of 3D-vibrational working - on purpose. As Ra said, one works in the dark with a tiny candle.

Yup, Ra describes most of the time, our 3d STS way of reaching consciousness.

Also the limitations for opportunity imposed on whales/dolphins/trees here would not seem to be amenable to balancing needs of the logos (i.e. as we see characterized in the tarot) at the 3D level.

Would you kindly elaborate? I am not sure I grasp the meaning of your words when you say, amenable to balancing needs of the logos (i.e. as we see characterized in the tarot) at the 3D level. What do you mean by that?

For example, development of will and faith, discernment, removal of distortions through circumstances which would confront one with dilemmas, a range of choices, creation - arts/sciences/ideologies.

Our 3d STO friends do no need those since they have no veil.

Yes, I do see higher 'intelligence' in these creatures, but only compared to other 2D animals. As far as the range of 3D attributes, only a distilled semblance.

There is no doubt that they are 3d and, STOs. May I suggest the complete Q'uo transcript of 20th January 2009, as well as the link above (on 'veil'). There are others instances through the material but you would need to research.

But no, I don't believe Carla in this particular regard and in many other of her biases and attempts to basically appease her guests.

This last sentence is a bit cryptic to me.

If the idea is too unfamiliar to you, just leave it aside for the moment. You may always come back to it at a later time.

When I read the Ra Material for the first time, having had some experience in shamanism, I knew already certain things related to animals and nature spirits so, I was able to read between the lines and, find some confirmation there.

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[Observer]

Awesome quote WF.

I second this. Really awesome quote.
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[Monica]

Dolphins and whales are 3D.

Yes!

Whales are so large so they can anchor more light into Earth.

Oh wow I never thought of that! Interesting idea.

[fr33d0m]

Are we the only third density entities here? By "we" I mean humans. I was walking home today and couldn't help but feel at one with the trees and surrounding life, then the thought came to me, are we the only ones on this planet being affected by the veil?

I like that you felt one with life around you. I would love to hear more about your feelings of oneness. Love and Light to you.

[TsaktuO]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't truly understand the concept of the Veil, could someone please explain it to me? Or link me in a direction of a great explanation!

I've been doing much reading and this word gets thrown around so much, I think its time to understand more.

Very awesome to know that some marine life's are 3D!

[Ooo]

Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't truly understand the concept of the Veil, could someone please explain it to me? Or link me in a direction of a great explanation!

I've been doing much reading and this word gets thrown around so much, I think its time to understand more.

There is the mind. The mind may be understood as a tree or an iceberg: it has a surface portion that sticks on the outside, and a deeper portion that lies in the inside (roots, submerged underwater). Outside/inside are merely suggestive of incarnate/discarnate states here. Naturally, the mind is "largest" at its depths/roots (the non-incarnated portion, outside of space/time, the realm of atemporal memory).

The "veil of forgetting" is essentially metaphor or analogy to describe a "split" in mind between—or rather, the "concealment" of—the deeper aspects of mind from the surface layers; so that when an entity is incarnated (surface, tip of the iceberg) it will fall under a sort of metaphysical amnesia and become almost completely unaware of non-physical phenomena (not remember where it just came from or why, nor able to consciously perceive nor access the discarnate, inner planes to any degree save through "random accidents", certain meditative practices, OBEs/NDEs, mind-heightening substances such as the mild-effect LSD, etc).

This is why 2D entities such as cats and dogs are aware (within their own domain of limited perceptual awareness) of metaphysical phenomena whilst 3D entities are not (and are generally completely oblivious from cradle to grave, incarnation after incarnation). Prior to the veil, this was of course not the case.

It was "hoped" by the Original Thought, Logos or Love that this experiment would create a more intense, more vivid, richer and diverse experience overall in contrast to the (what now clearly appears to have been a rather insipid and dull) pre-veil scenario; and that, in turn, entities would pursue their own spiritual evolution much more vigorously and with greater fervor and intensity.

Oh, and it should be noted here that this veil only applied/applies to the 3rd-density experience. It is not the 3rd-density experience, but merely an add-on to it, if you will. There is of course a very good reason for this—why the turning point into self-awareness (3D) was the most logical intersection to place the veil in mind.

It should also be noted that this veil is by no means an impenetrable solid brick wall, but is rather permeable and somewhat see-through, translucent mantle. Thus, it may also be pierced momentarily, if not altogether dissolved by dedicated conscious effort, practice and purity of will alone.

And although the veil is no longer in effect during 4th density, the choices and resulting shaping experiences the 3rd-density made and underwent during its veiled 3rd-density cycle will continue to hold sway across the following densities.

This is why the veil is such a novelty to this entire Creation.

[Jade]

Hi TsaktuO,

The "veil of forgetting", as it's also referred to in the Law of One, is in place in our physical reality, mostly for learning/balancing purposes. The veil is there to help us forget out interconnectedness to All. It is in this way we are allowed to act in "selfish", human ways that we wouldn't before - but it's also this that gives us the evolution of spirit, the progress of slowly learning of our divine selves, and becoming aware of the interconnectedness. As we progress along our spiritual paths we are afforded more opportunities to lift or pierce the veil from time to time, and with more regularity.

Have you read the Law of One? I was going to link a search to where the word "veil" is used, but there are over 100 instances. Lots of info about the veil and the evolution of spirit.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I occasionally ponder the nature of the veil itself. I have no idea how accurate this is, but the notion persists in my mind that it works in a fashion very similar to noise-cancelling headphones. That is, on the basis that for any given vibration, there is an equal-and-opposite anti-vibration that cancels it out. Except that rather than sound, of course, it would be a sort of broadcast of "anti-thoughts" specifically aimed at cancelling out certain thoughts that aren't "supposed" to make it to Earth.

But looking at it that way, as a vibrational construct rather than a physical one, tends to suggest various ways it could be penetrated and\or overcome. And Ra even said (83.16) that "It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide."

I'm not really going anywhere specific with this, just throwing it out there in case it inspires anyone's imagination, since it's something I've been chewing on.

[tamaryn]

We are the I am . We live under the Veil in Space / Time = Frequency / Vibration

Our natural state is Time / Space = Natural vibration / Frequency