How often are you interacting with nonhuman entities?

[Infinite Unity]

Is it possible to consider that they also forgive and do not hold one up to their failures with critical judgment while incarnated?

Yea it is beautiful, but is in the territory that peaceful has been covering. To me. Very nice and interesting thread.

[loveallbeings]

And the other thing is, as Ra and others said, life in 3D -for both natives and Wanderers- is primarily about learning lessons of love.  And I think it could be seen in terms of "If you can manage to find and understand love despite the whirlwind of confusion which is 3D life, then you've truly achieved something notable and a lesson that will be remembered."  Or like JFK said, we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard.

They are aware -on some level- that there's a lot of misery on Earth, but the entire point of the experience is to try to rise above the misery.  Yet even if one doesn't, the experience is ultimately a relatively short one and can be learned from in retrospect.

And we all have this innate awareness, its so blatantly obvious this thing is all about love, but I knew that all along, before I had all the intense psychic experiences. The STS thing bothers me immensely, I know a thing or two about STS energy/vibes, theres no depth to how dark dark can be. The veil of forgetfulness, theoretically any spirit in any carnation can be tempted down the STS path, if the conditions are such that they don't even realise its a negative/harmful path. Religions... The Ra material should be the one religion of the world, imagine how different that world would be. This thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

it was obvious pretty early on that the author was speaking something real. The one inconsistency I spotted was the author said that "starseeds" (I'm guessing thats the same thing as wanderer) aren't karmically bound to this world like regular souls are. The Ra material states they are. Unfortunately my experience and intuition aligns with the Ra material on that one. Buddhists might call them Boddhisattvas, and I read somewhere that its a huge risk for a higher spirit coming down like that because it could go into denial of reality which could lead to karmically bad choices.

Denial of reality means shutting out the inner voice, the guidance from the higher dimensions. It still has loads of ways to come through, such as dreams. With strong heart, compassion just comes naturally, but thats only one part of the path of loving kindness, things which are obvious when listening to the inner self don't make any sense to the mind, for example keeping your house clean and tidy, the inner voice says thats part of the path of loving kindness, but that has no obvious effect on other peoples suffering and joy. Being honourable is clearly important too. Symbolic things like getting up as soon as the sun comes out and meditating sitting on the floor, rather than the lazy approach of meditating laying in bed. Buddhists have it right. Doing what you feel is right at all times is the only guidance we really need, but thats a measure of ones capacity to feel the messages from the heart, and not mix them up with ego driven emotions.

[Diana]

The Ra material should be the one religion of the world, imagine how different that world would be.

It would defeat the purpose. Ra promotes free thinking and making the Ra Material a religion would countermand that.

The one inconsistency I spotted was the author said that "starseeds" (I'm guessing thats the same thing as wanderer) aren't karmically bound to this world like regular souls are. The Ra material states they are.

Ra's words on the subject:

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

With strong heart, compassion just comes naturally, but thats only one part of the path of loving kindness, things which are obvious when listening to the inner self don't make any sense to the mind, for example keeping your house clean and tidy, the inner voice says thats part of the path of loving kindness, but that has no obvious effect on other peoples suffering and joy.

The mind may think it's good to keep things tidy, but the heart has a place here too. The heart respects all things—even inanimate things. To care for one's environment can have an effect on others. Even if it is just the production of joy of one's surroundings that gets added to the collective—this will reach others in my opinion.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

A Law of One religion would have deep implications.  People lose their head over and around this stuff, pointing out some are Wanderers just gives us another set of demographics to judge ourselves by.

I think Wanderers handle karma a bit differently, they know how to deal with it via forgiveness and love, they have a slightly better shot at things.

But its my understanding that they also have more trouble due to many vibrational oddities, such as severe allergies, feelings of alienation or extreme loneliness, struggling with social elements or finding trouble initially accepting social schemes and labels.

They're just as, if not more so vulnerable to the catalyst of 3D in handling it not the way they wanted to.

I don't understand why wandering is such a massive big deal or why it's considered dangerous.  It sounds like at the worst a wanderer reverts to lower vibrations to handle consistent repeated 3D cycles that they failed to harvest in, not sure if that's permanent and requires going through lower densities again normally, and at best finds instantaneous ascension and moves beyond this octave immediately.  It sounds like many more get stuck up here.

Do you ever wonder why you reincarnate at all versus doing something else?  Why is this 'dangerous' choice made at all?

[Minyatur]

Some beings simply do not want to know themselves through breaking their found perception of identity, which wandering has a high potential to do.

[sjel]

Well, that's kind of the thing.  I think there is a sort of ignorance, because life on a physical veiled world truly is SO much different than any other experience they can have.  I remember a Bashar talk where he implied that to a lot of entities, it borders on being truly unimaginable.  I tend to think their perception of life on Earth is somewhat akin to Cypher in the Matrix, reading the green code from outside but only understanding what's happening in the Matrix in the most abstract of ways.  Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Ok!! But didn't most of these entities helping us ALSO have third density experience in a veiled world?!?! Don't they have access to all of their incarnations?!?! Don't they remember how THEY felt back in the boonies??? And in fact shouldn't they remember how they felt with GREATER clarity they did WHILE they were in 3D?? the heck, man.

Along that same line, since incarnations are technically all simultaneous, and Ra is definitely evolved enough to recognize and process all those incarnations simultaneously, and Ra has millions of Wanderers on Earth right now, wouldn't Ra be MORE THAN ABLE to understand how it feels to be here?!? And in turn, those with whom Ra communicates, which is pretty much all positive entities/complexes in contact with Earth right now (Bashar included?).

[sjel]

Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Also, what about the extreme negative planets? Once they merge back into the cosmic stream in mid-sixth density, the entire creation has instant access to all their understandings about the extremes of negativity and separation. Earth in relation to a pure negative planet is a walk in the park. Aren't there other planets that are even more advanced negatively yet are still struggling to seek the light, and succeeding just as we (kind of) are??! We can't be the absolute WORST third density planet in the ENTIRE creation...

btw not at all directing frustration at you, this has just been building up for a while against the invisible, silent entities watching us right now.

[AnthroHeart]

Dolores Cannon said that Earth is the only veiled planet in the Universe.

She also said that we have to do and be everything possible before we get to leave Earth.

[Minyatur]

Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Also, what about the extreme negative planets? Once they merge back into the cosmic stream in mid-sixth density, the entire creation has instant access to all their understandings about the extremes of negativity and separation. Earth in relation to a pure negative planet is a walk in the park. Aren't there other planets that are even more advanced negatively yet are still struggling to seek the light, and succeeding just as we (kind of) are??! We can't be the absolute WORST third density planet in the ENTIRE creation...

btw not at all directing frustration at you, this has just been building up for a while against the invisible, silent entities watching us right now.

About the bolded portion, I think it's actually a bit the opposite.

A strongly negatively polarized world is more balanced than a strongly confused world, which is what makes the Earth so harsh of an experience and this is seen by how a negatively polarized world advances in it's Creatorhood and moves toward the One. It's just that biases found within confusion cannot be overcome and require to be expressed to be solved, as they are born in love and resolve themselves in love.

[sjel]

Earth in relation to a pure negative planet is a walk in the park.

About the bolded portion, I think it's actually a bit the opposite.

A strongly negatively polarized world is more balanced than a strongly confused world, which is what makes the Earth so harsh of an experience and this is seen by how a negatively polarized world advances in it's Creatorhood and moves toward the One. It's just that biases found within confusion cannot be overcome and require to be expressed to be solved, as they are born in love and resolve themselves in love.

oh!! wow I did not think of that.

So it is that we are the most confused of any planet?

But I still wonder about the fact that negative entities upon switching polarity release into the records all their knowledge of service to self. How can Earth's confused suffering be so foreign to so many higher density entities even with that knowledge?

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Well, that's kind of the thing.  I think there is a sort of ignorance, because life on a physical veiled world truly is SO much different than any other experience they can have.  I remember a Bashar talk where he implied that to a lot of entities, it borders on being truly unimaginable.  I tend to think their perception of life on Earth is somewhat akin to Cypher in the Matrix, reading the green code from outside but only understanding what's happening in the Matrix in the most abstract of ways.  Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Ok!! But didn't most of these entities helping us ALSO have third density experience in a veiled world?!?! Don't they have access to all of their incarnations?!?! Don't they remember how THEY felt back in the boonies??? And in fact shouldn't they remember how they felt with GREATER clarity they did WHILE they were in 3D?? the heck, man.

Along that same line, since incarnations are technically all simultaneous, and Ra is definitely evolved enough to recognize and process all those incarnations simultaneously, and Ra has millions of Wanderers on Earth right now, wouldn't Ra be MORE THAN ABLE to understand how it feels to be here?!? And in turn, those with whom Ra communicates, which is pretty much all positive entities/complexes in contact with Earth right now (Bashar included?).

I thought this too, why can't Ra plumb the depths of our distortions?

I simply thought that this was so because it'd be infringing on their part to do so.  For them to speak so perfectly that there's only room for her to teach whereas they 'know it all' would defeat their learn/teaching mechanism that fuels their interaction with us.  They say it directly, they cannot teach without learning to us without basically infringing, and I took that as basically meaning for them to plumb our depths and know precisely what our 'distortions' are would defeat the reason on their side for communicating with us.

They learn from us as they teach us.
We teach them as we learn from them.

As to 'why' they might be seemingly in the dark so to speak of our specific distortions, you need to realize they do not look at the programming of an individual, this probably includes their own reincarnated selves, and to deeply connect with the sorrow in 3D as while being in 3D is not so simple for one discarnate from 3D who is unveiled and informed and aware.  Ra is 'informed', she is not 'veiled', they literally 'understand', 'know', but they in all of these things must be their opposite in some sense too.  For all they are informed on, they are still uninformed.  For all they understand, there is things they do not understand.  For all that is known, there is those unknowns.

Just as we are veiled from them, perhaps they are veiled from us too but in different ways not even needing a veil.

How can she in such an extremely different reality be expected to plumb our extremely different reality on deep personal levels when doing so would be infringing?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it makes sense from unity perspective, at least to me, as to why they cannot plumb our specific Earthly distortions beyond noticing patterns and mechanics that operate our reality.

We should consider the immense strangeness and great differences between each density within an octave.

Could you imagine trying to teach a rock to be self aware?  How could we when we don't understand what it means to be a rock (and not to roll, sorry had to lol) all because we no longer remember what it used to be like to be a rock when we were 1D?

In Journey of Souls the birth of souls is described, and I saw it as a direct showcasing of what it looks like when a 2D being becomes 3D, and they said the portals that birthed the souls would sometimes form something but it would move back and not be 'born' and I viewed this as a 2D being being close to graduation but not quite cutting it.

Further, the 'newer' souls would describe that they were already self aware when they were 'born' but that they still required care by 'nursery souls' who would take care of them and oversee them until they could go about on their own with some guidance as to what to do now.

If these fresh 3D beings do not remember so recently their time as a 2D being while in time/space, how can we expect a 6D being to remember being 3D in time/space?  Yeah sure, they have unity and can parse time its self, but you can't get back memories that no longer are compatible with what you've become.  The fact 4D remembers it's 3D times might go against this, but who's to say one doesn't forget over the millions of years and eons of existence how they used to be?

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Also, what about the extreme negative planets? Once they merge back into the cosmic stream in mid-sixth density, the entire creation has instant access to all their understandings about the extremes of negativity and separation. Earth in relation to a pure negative planet is a walk in the park. Aren't there other planets that are even more advanced negatively yet are still struggling to seek the light, and succeeding just as we (kind of) are??! We can't be the absolute WORST third density planet in the ENTIRE creation...

btw not at all directing frustration at you, this has just been building up for a while against the invisible, silent entities watching us right now.

About the bolded portion, I think it's actually a bit the opposite.

A strongly negatively polarized world is more balanced than a strongly confused world, which is what makes the Earth so harsh of an experience and this is seen by how a negatively polarized world advances in it's Creatorhood and moves toward the One. It's just that biases found within confusion cannot be overcome and require to be expressed to be solved, as they are born in love and resolve themselves in love.

I can imagine Earth is worse in parts than some STS worlds, they at least have an order of hierarchy, here on Earth anything can be met with a challenge to it's integrity, you can't challenge that on a STS planet without having the ENTIRE PLANET against you trying to take advantage of your attempt to shake down their integral system of being.

Here on Earth, anything can reign.  Earth obfuscates, it can probably produce much greater light and darkness in areas than entire STO or STS planets can do.

Or maybe I'm giving Earth more credit than she deserves, but I think this place is pretty... out there...

[APeacefulWarrior]

Well, that's kind of the thing.  I think there is a sort of ignorance, because life on a physical veiled world truly is SO much different than any other experience they can have.  I remember a Bashar talk where he implied that to a lot of entities, it borders on being truly unimaginable.  I tend to think their perception of life on Earth is somewhat akin to Cypher in the Matrix, reading the green code from outside but only understanding what's happening in the Matrix in the most abstract of ways.  Either way, from the POV of most of the cosmos, life on Earth or a similar planet is basically living in bizarro world.

Ok!! But didn't most of these entities helping us ALSO have third density experience in a veiled world?!?! Don't they have access to all of their incarnations?!?! Don't they remember how THEY felt back in the boonies??? And in fact shouldn't they remember how they felt with GREATER clarity they did WHILE they were in 3D?? the heck, man.

Along that same line, since incarnations are technically all simultaneous, and Ra is definitely evolved enough to recognize and process all those incarnations simultaneously, and Ra has millions of Wanderers on Earth right now, wouldn't Ra be MORE THAN ABLE to understand how it feels to be here?!? And in turn, those with whom Ra communicates, which is pretty much all positive entities/complexes in contact with Earth right now (Bashar included?).

I feel like a lot of your frustration here is stemming simply from how "cut off" Earth is, due to the veil.  On that note, all I can really do is emphasize that Earth is behaving exactly how it was set up to behave.  It's SUPPOSED to be a scary, uncertain, chaotic place.  Earth is a crucible, in way.  It's not where you go to live a life if you want things simple and easy.  It's where you go to test yourself against great adversity, a trial-by-fire so to speak.

And to a certain extent, to interfere too heavily would entirely defeat the purpose of incarnating on Earth.  Ra and other entities may be very deliberately acting in a "stand-offish" way specifically not to take away from the experience.  Much like how a parent watching their child learning to ride a bike has to accept that painful falls are simply part of the process, and constantly protecting the child from those falls would make the task virtually impossible.

Also, like others have pointed out, Ra is incredibly removed from his subjectively long-ago experiences in 3D.  I'd have to go searching for the quote, but at least once he very specifically said that it's nearly impossible for him to perceive the particulars of life on Earth.  The reasons why this might be are debatable, but unless Ra was lying -and there's not really any good reason to think so- it appears to be factual, none the less.

In one sense, I think it may be due to the dream-like nature of Earth's illusions.  Once one "wakes up" after an incarnation, a lot of Earthly knowledge starts fading away almost immediately, just like how we almost immediately forget the majority of our dreams - even intense/scary ones.

But I also think it's due to a sort of distancing effect, that there's just no way to truly experience what life is like on a veiled planet EXCEPT to go there.  It's like, think about video games.  Even the most immersive video game, something along the lines of Skyrim, only gives players a faint shadow of what life would really be like in Tamriel.  Sure, you can observe the Dragonborn in action and maybe feel a bit of fear of monsters or fondness for companions like Serana, but it would only be an imagining of what it would ACTUALLY feel like to be in those situations.  Because there's a "veil" of sorts separating the player from the character.  We might control the Dragonborn's actions, but we would have to literally be the Dragonborn to actually feel the same things they feel.

And at least for myself, whenever I share experiences with Bell or some of my other guides\onlookers, I always have a sense of great interest from them.  Whatever the exact reason is that they can't directly perceive those things from the other side, it's apparently quite novel to get to share in my experiences.  

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

3.6 Questioner: At the last session we had two questions we were saving for this session: one having to do with the possible capstone of the Great Pyramid at Giza; the other [inaudible] heavy blocks. I know these questions are of no importance at all with respect to the Law of One, but it was my judgment, which you may correct, that this would provide an easy entry for the reader of the material. We are very grateful for your contact and will certainly take suggestions about how we should proceed with this. This is just one guess.

Ra: I am Ra. I will not suggest the proper series of questions. This is your prerogative as free agent of the Law of One having learn/understood that our social memory complex cannot effectually discern the distortions of the societal mind/body/spirit complex of your peoples. We wish now to fulfill our teach/learning honor/responsibility by answering what is asked. This only will suffice for we cannot plumb the depths of the distortion complexes which infect your peoples.

The first question, therefore, is the capstone. We iterate the unimportance of this type of data.

The so-called Great Pyramid had two capstones. One was of our design and was of smaller and carefully contrived pieces of the material upon your planet which you call “granite.” This was contrived for crystalline properties and for the proper flow of your atmosphere via a type of what you would call “chimney.”

At a time when we as a people had left your density, the original was taken away and a more precious one substituted. It consisted, in part, of a golden material. This did not change the properties of the pyramid, as you call it, at all, and was a distortion due to the desire of a few to mandate the use of the structure as a royal place only.

Do you wish to query further upon this first question?

[sjel]

I feel like a lot of your frustration here is stemming simply from how "cut off" Earth is, due to the veil.  On that note, all I can really do is emphasize that Earth is behaving exactly how it was set up to behave.  It's SUPPOSED to be a scary, uncertain, chaotic place.  Earth is a crucible, in way.  It's not where you go to live a life if you want things simple and easy.  It's where you go to test yourself against great adversity, a trial-by-fire so to speak.

And to a certain extent, to interfere too heavily would entirely defeat the purpose of incarnating on Earth.  Ra and other entities may be very deliberately acting in a "stand-offish" way specifically not to take away from the experience.  Much like how a parent watching their child learning to ride a bike has to accept that painful falls are simply part of the process, and constantly protecting the child from those falls would make the task virtually impossible.

This right here helps a lot. Sparked an image of boot camp - extremely difficult, but mentally less difficult when you are aware you're in boot camp. Physically extremely challenging. Except for that with the real thing (Earth incarnational experience), the double challenge becomes threefold, what with the continuous spiritual challenge.

Also, like others have pointed out, Ra is incredibly removed from his subjectively long-ago experiences in 3D.  I'd have to go searching for the quote, but at least once he very specifically said that it's nearly impossible for him to perceive the particulars of life on Earth.  The reasons why this might be are debatable, but unless Ra was lying -and there's not really any good reason to think so- it appears to be factual, none the less.

That seems crazy to me that Ra can't perceive the details of third density. Doesn't each density reside "within" the one above it? Doesn't the astral/causal incarnational experience (fourth/fifth/sixth density) include the physical realm? Four dimensions instead of three become fully mastered? And so fifth density also experiences and has mastered every density below it? (Like how one cannot fully experience blue chakra unless every chakra below is open?)

Also, with fourth density comes an entity's ability to perceive and understand all of its incarnations, right? So why wouldn't Ra be able to do the same with their millions of personal incarnational investments on Earth?

I have a feeling its like the story time travel thing: 'Everything you do to the past already happened.' Like in Harry Potter how as they walked away from the hippogriff, unable to watch it get slaughtered, they heard the chop of an axe which they perceived to be the death blow - their reactions (crying, grief) were results of that perception, and were in fact true, for them. But their future selves had actually intervened and the axe was the executioner swinging it into the log, out of anger.

So it is, I think, that Ra's choice to not intervene in our incarnational experience is because the infinitely unique and explorable experience of "Lacking Guidance" must be experienced both sides - one's past self (us right now) must have experienced confusion in order to be able to, in the future, be able to withhold information from their past self. In this sense the higher self has already determined which experiences have happened to itself, and interacts with those experiences in a manner that is necessary for the higher self to exist. So the higher self shapes us by its interaction with us, just as we have already shaped it. Every experience we have, then, creates and has created the help that we receive.

I feel like this is a spiral thought that never can conclude. I wonder if that's the point, and the lesson.

In one sense, I think it may be due to the dream-like nature of Earth's illusions.  Once one "wakes up" after an incarnation, a lot of Earthly knowledge starts fading away almost immediately, just like how we almost immediately forget the majority of our dreams - even intense/scary ones.

Actually I don't think it is either of these. I think it's more like, Ra is amusedly playing the part of the withholding teacher. Like their part to play consists of being fully conscious that it is a part. Our part to play requires blockage of cosmic truth to a continuously varying degree.

But I also think it's due to a sort of distancing effect, that there's just no way to truly experience what life is like on a veiled planet EXCEPT to go there.  It's like, think about video games.  Even the most immersive video game, something along the lines of Skyrim, only gives players a faint shadow of what life would really be like in Tamriel.  Sure, you can observe the Dragonborn in action and maybe feel a bit of fear of monsters or fondness for companions like Serana, but it would only be an imagining of what it would ACTUALLY feel like to be in those situations.  Because there's a "veil" of sorts separating the player from the character.  We might control the Dragonborn's actions, but we would have to literally be the Dragonborn to actually feel the same things they feel.

We have been the Dragonborn already. The present moment, right now, has already been experienced by That From Whom We Receive Guidance. Ra, therefore, plays the oscar-winning role of the distantly connected teacher. But in fact Ra, our higher self, is actively experiencing everything we experience, and in tandem our past and future selves choose what happens.

REALIZATION! It is not SOLELY OUR THIRD DENSITY SELF that chooses the experience! It is the whole universe that chooses it!! Me AND the environment choose what happens to me! I am ACCOMPANIED AND EQUALLY PARTNERED WITH my other half - the environment. In fact my Self is half 'me,' half 'not me!'

'Me' and everything that is 'Not Me' are perfectly equal sources of choice and experiential determination.

And at least for myself, whenever I share experiences with Bell or some of my other guides\onlookers, I always have a sense of great interest from them.  Whatever the exact reason is that they can't directly perceive those things from the other side, it's apparently quite novel to get to share in my experiences.  

I think this is because she/they are playing the role of Not Knowing, and in fact their appreciation of The Role of Pretending is enhanced by their other role of Knowing That It Is Pretending. They have greater joy because they know that it is Joy that they are acting out; we do not fully know that everything is Acting yet.

[AnthroHeart]

THank you sjel. It seems as I raise my vibration and realize my true home, that the things I read become much more sophisticated and resonant with who I am.
The secrets of the Universe begin to reveal themselves through people like you.

[isis]

How often are you interacting with nonhuman entities?

I wish I knew.

[xise]

How often are you interacting with nonhuman entities?

I wish I knew.

This.