Delicate info Regarding Mu, Yahweh and Orion

[Nabil Naser]

In my humble opinion, it is not worth the trouble to try to figure out the origins of people. This will lead to nothing but trouble.

People change, societies change, and it is difficult to understand how things change. To try to relate it to what we know, and to the memory that we have, may be insufficient to make a fair judgment.

History is just that. Humanity is.

We have the ability and potential to think and believe. We also have the same to share with others. In time, polarities will be exposed, and then reconciled and balanced.

There are no schemes that we have not overcome.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#3

24.3 Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

is, the bold part used as a time identifier in 'after the down sinking of land mass mu', or, does it mean that the people who came from mu, came to dwell in the vicinity of egypt, as well as other places, after the sinking of mu.

now, we know that the mu people are from deneb.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#15

and, later, these deneb entities incarnated in china among other places. also, american indians, are from these entities.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#19

yahweh, did this genetic intervention at around 75,000 years ago :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#18

but, at this quote, it is told that this genetic intervention happened by cloning process 75,000 years ago

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#20

so, one thing is now definite : yahweh set up these genetic biases through cloning 75,000 years ago, among the people who came to dwell in the vicinity of egypt, after sinking of mu.

whether these are deneb people or not, that part is important. but at this last quote, we are told that yahweh did that cloning process with entities from mars.

now, was mars people incarnated in mu, before sinking of mu, and spread to egypt after sinking of mu ? or, is the 'sinking of mu' and dispersion are used as time identifiers, to say that after the sinking of mu, entities which were living elsewhere, and from mars, spread around to many places, including egypt ?

or, is there a miscommunication somewhere ?

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the delicacy of this is that, if, the 'dispersion after sinking of mu' is not used as a time identifier, it means that semitic people are from mu. and, share same ancestry with chinese, american indians, who are also from mu.

[Peregrinus]

Scientific proof of genetic pairing on Earth 900 years ago.

http://www.starchildproject.com/

[AndresOr]

Hi guys, I am new here in the forum, i have been reading the topic, and i am a little confuse... People of Maldek and Mars already destroyed there's planet before Yahweh's genetic manipulation (Mar's Case), soo I don't understand how are they responsible for People of Mar-Maldek wanting to do the same here, they already had those tendencies.... and also about the genetic manipulation, it is very easy for me to understand why they mix there's dna with Mars people, if you are a guardian and you have a dna let's say more pure or advance (wise, peace, loving, etc), and you mix it with another it is very likely than the result would have some of the cararteristic of the advance dna... for me the case was that the mars dna, yahweh, and i think also de great ape dna mix overpower yahweh's in some very important caracteristic..... it is easy to see the errors when they were already make, and say: "that was unwise..." but everybody knows that the critical moments are differents.

And also it is very easy for us now to judge people from our past, and all the things they do, but they didn't have a past to look at, and see the mistake and learn from them (in some case, these were our mistake)... beside we now have 4d light in here, we all born in 4d light condition awakening for me it more likely to occur with this light and also there were a lot of people in the past (masters: Jesus, Budda, others... even Carla, Don, Jim and others) that open up the way for us, so for me to think that we are so good and wise, etc, it is not to honor all that we went through the past 75000 years (also mars-maldek.others past), so for me it is time to look at those events with love and wisdom, and forgive ourself to stop the wheels of karma, these posts make me realize that, it had been such a burden for us, it is time to release, to let go of the past...

Sorry for my english

[Peregrinus]

Genetic manipulation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-8bVEIVUh8

and the Snopes discreditation which doesn't explain away all the photos.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/giantman.asp

[Protonexus]

the guardian word seems to be being used in numerous places. the entities guarding this planet's quarantine is named guardians. the ones in saturn rings are called council of nine. i kinda remember guardian word being used for those who come from the octave too.

and also guardian word was used for yahweh, during their excerpt about mars subject. but, the guardian word is not used anymore when talking about yahweh and earth. and it is said that what they did was seen as an infringement by other guardians and they were quarantined.

this suggests that there are guardians that are tending different planets. one's guardian doesnt seem like other's.

and then there's the question of the guardians who patrol the energy net of this planet, for quarantine.

all apparently are governed by council in saturn rings.

The references you have made about YHVH (yahweh) being quarantined seem to be out of context. The feeling that there was an abridgement of free will is from the initial grafting process of engineering the Mars DNA into the Earth hominid rootstock. This is most likely because of the methods used by YHVH to abridge the Mars mind/body/spirit complex so closely with their own. This gave the Mars souls certain advantages which needed to be balanced with increasing distortion, the bodies of Earth had been designed specifically for them with implementation of YHVH genetics - a situation had to be created where this could be overlooked/ignored and balanced.

The context in question is that YHVH was somehow shut out from Earth or the Confederation because of this. However, YHVH continues to act upon Earth by free will callings and even incarnated into avatars to genetically engineer giants. This was approved by the Council of Saturn and coincided with the calling. YHVH has never been apart from the people of Mars. The Semetic peoples are ones that choose to associate themselves very closely with YHVH.

Ra has similar ties of responsibility to all of us who have read the words of the channeling sessions and everything that is a product of it. Ra will be linked through responsibility until the distortions of their interactions with Earth are met with their polar opposites and neutralized, thus balancing their history.

It should be noted that souls don't always follow genetics when choosing incarnations. There are Mars originating souls in Chinese bodies, Denebs in Arabic gene encoded bodies, Ra wanderers in Scandinavian bodies. We're all homosapiens, all other variant hominids were outcompeted. Homosapiens is the result of the initial genetic experiment, merging Martian with Terran. Given, it would be known that Mars had a probability that the atmosphere may disintegrate. Similarly as alternate bodies are prepared in case Earth is irradiated and these ones are no longer suitable. Thus, the process of preparation of Earth hominid rootstock would have begun prior to the transfer of Mars souls. There may have been 3d capable body/mind complexes upon Earth long before actual 3d consciousness was brought here.

Given also that there has been 75k years of random and selective breeding among homosapiens populations, it is safe to assume that the vast majority if not all homosapiens have Mars genetics and other modifications made by YHVH. The validity of identifying the planetary origin of a mind/body/spirit complex group and/or social memory complex by the present choice of Earthbound body seems ellusive. What is the purpose for such an exercise?

YHVH is directly and indirectly responsible for all distortions of their teachings and interactions, there is no quarantine or removal of influence of this entity because there is a calling. It is wise to reserve judgements made upon three paragraphs of channeled information covering a 75k year span of time. All entities must follow the same rules of the quarantine, where there is a calling there is an answer, some of us have been on Earth incarnating for 75k years. We would do well to remember the choices and callings we have made, and perhaps the calling to which we are presently responding.

[unity100]

The references you have made about YHVH (yahweh) being quarantined seem to be out of context. The feeling that there was an abridgement of free will is from the initial grafting process of engineering the Mars DNA into the Earth hominid rootstock. This is most likely because of the methods used by YHVH to abridge the Mars mind/body/spirit complex so closely with their own. This gave the Mars souls certain advantages which needed to be balanced with increasing distortion, the bodies of Earth had been designed specifically for them with implementation of YHVH genetics - a situation had to be created where this could be overlooked/ignored and balanced.

The context in question is that YHVH was somehow shut out from Earth or the Confederation because of this. However, YHVH continues to act upon Earth by free will callings and even incarnated into avatars to genetically engineer giants. This was approved by the Council of Saturn and coincided with the calling. YHVH has never been apart from the people of Mars. The Semetic peoples are ones that choose to associate themselves very closely with YHVH.

genetic manipulations do not result from free will callings. free will callings are callings for particular understanding, or energies or knowledge. no entity subconsciously would call 'genetically modify me'. from what we see, entities see a particular calling, then formulate a plan to meet that calling and bring it to the council.

that being said, there is no question as to what caused the quarantine :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#8

9.8 Questioner: The guardians were obviously acting within an understanding of the Law of One in doing this. Can you explain the application of the Law of One in this process?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One was named by these guardians as the bringing of the wisdom of the guardians in contact with the entities from the Red Planet, thus melding the social memory complex of the guardian race and the Red Planet race. It, however, took an increasing amount of distortion into the application of the Law of One from the viewpoint of other guardians and it is from this beginning action that the quarantine of this planet was instituted, for it was felt that the free will of those of the Red Planet had been abridged.

i dont know whether it can be put as clearly than this : the above says exactly why the quarantine was instituted, and, moreover, the red part means that there was not a quarantine before.

all that matters is when the quarantine was introduced. this is seen in the q/a 2 earlier than this :

9.6 Questioner: What race is that, and how did they get from Mars to here?

Ra: I am Ra. The race is a combination of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those of your so-called Red Planet and a careful series of genetical adjustments made by the guardians of that time. These entities arrived, or were preserved, for the experience upon your sphere by a type of birthing which is non-reproductive, but consists of preparing genetic material for the incarnation of the mind/body/spirit complexes of those entities from the Red Planet.

the above excerpt and the following one says that the events that lead to the quarantine in the first given q/a, has happened during the time when the souls were being transferred from mars.

so then, there wasnt a quarantine before entities were brought from mars in a genetically modified fashion, and moreover, in a preserved state that was non reproductive .....

as a result of the quarantine, leave aside yahweh, but every entity is quarantined from the planet, and apparently have to come up with plans and bring them to saturn for approval.

Given also that there has been 75k years of random and selective breeding among homosapiens populations, it is safe to assume that the vast majority if not all homosapiens have Mars genetics and other modifications made by YHVH. The validity of identifying the planetary origin of a mind/body/spirit complex group and/or social memory complex by the present choice of Earthbound body seems ellusive.

that is an incorrect assumption.

the mixed populations already give themselves out with their characteristics. these can especially be examined in geographies that separate the major focuses of incarnation according to planet.

What is the purpose for such an exercise?

first, knowledge.

second, apparently such a distinction/focus exists, since while speaking about 2nd cycle experience, ra had had noted down that there was some progress among denebians incarnated in the region what we call china. specific mention of the group and the place they have chosen to incarnate was made.

so, apparently such focuses exist.

and third, knowledge, in the light of the above.

YHVH is directly and indirectly responsible for all distortions of their teachings and interactions, there is no quarantine or removal of influence of this entity because there is a calling.

as you have observed above in the quarantines, yahweh is responsible for the quarantine on this planet. so, they are quarantined as well as anyone else, due to a quarantine they have brought upon the planet. the fact that plans can be approved by council after being brought to them, does not mean that a quarantine does not exist or one is not quarantined.

this, is even after leaving out the fact that the quarantine is patrolled even more closely since 3600 years ago. further strengthening of patrols after an incident in which orion and yawheh was involved, reinforces the above, clear and open q/as that identify who was responsible for institution of quarantine.

[zenmaster]

Did the natives, upon graduation to 3D, then also incarnate in cloned Martian bodies? Also, I read where unity and peregrinus thought that the native peoples were from Africa - but could find no support for that claim.

[unity100]

Did the natives, upon graduation to 3D, then also incarnate in cloned Martian bodies?

i think it is inevitable. a particular experience a soul needs may be available in a given condition in some cultural zone. then inevitably that soul would incarnate there.

however that said, it still seems as if there are concentrations of souls with similar preferences. (as in everything in life, actually). this is one of the things that keep cultures as they are i believe.

Also, I read where unity and peregrinus thought that the native peoples were from Africa - but could find no support for that claim.

4 major planetary influences were named by Ra, including this planet. one is mars, one is deneb. that makes 2. one is either maldek, (low probability tho) or something else.

so then, if we look at the deneb people (who were told to be incarnated around china by Ra), they are approx 1-2 bil in number or so. there are particular bodily and cultural characteristics there, that is shared throughout region. same goes for a number of other regions - india for example. and africa.

so, there seems to be a correlation in between those concentrations and planetary influences. the 4 major influences are big in numbers. then there are 13 minors.

now, in addition, the body type used in africa has similar characteristics with the higher 2d body types that are available in the planet. this implies that that body type may have come without being too much modified. or, totally independent of the nonreproductive cloning yahweh used to bring in martians.

now, the following are quite subtler propositions. but spiritually, they have strong basis :

physically they tend to be much more apt and strong in average, which implies attunement with the conditions and vibrations of this planet in core levels. now, this is even a subtler proposition - on average, they tend to have an affinity to singing, voices that can easily catch notes, further implying attunement and harmony with the vibrations and nature of this planet. it is not easy to sing, if you are not flowing freely inside.

[Peregrinus]

4 major planetary influences were named by Ra, including this planet. one is mars, one is deneb. that makes 2. one is either maldek, (low probability tho) or something else.

I would suggest this third influx was/is those of Maldek, as per Ra speaking on the last 25,000 years.

59.4 Ra: I am Ra. ... Firstly, and primarily, those of the planetary sphere you call Maldek, having become able to take up third-density once again, were gradually loosed from self-imposed limitations of form.

[manniz]

This was a very good thread by Unity100. It is little depressing how many spiritual, New Age people take the "all is well" phrase to basically mean - no criticism, find the infinite creator.

Higher vibrations have an enormous impact on the evolution of third density entities. If all of them adopt the "All is well" motto, and focus on love, and just their path to the infinity, and not learn from what happened to Maldek, Mars and now Earth, then these situations will simply be repeated more and more. Some higher vibration interfering out of pure love, and the subsequent chain reactions being molded and exploited by STS for a long time to come. Ofcourse it may not matter much in the timeless, high vibration states and so on, but it definitely dictates the evolution of third density entities.

This existence has given you the mind to think and analyze. If you think that you cannot analyze and criticize actions of higher vibrations, then ofcourse in the infinite realms "All will be well" but in local situations such as this Sun logos, countless will suffer unnecessary pain, and their future paths dictated by suffering beyond limits, beyond logic. This existence, infinite creation has given you the full freedom to question and challenge. The more you question, the more understandings you will get.

Remember, no matter how grand, how vast infinity may be, a guiding principle that no one can take from you is simply "understanding of life."
If infinity is all there is, it is life itself. the very essence of life. Without it, there is no life. It wakes up, and life wakes up. it is all existence.

If your "understanding of life" raises questions, so be it. If infinite intelligent creator is perfect, it would want you to question it, question the very principles of life, question higher vibrations.

If it won't, then no matter how infinitely beautiful, grand, intelligent it may be, it is simply a quadzillion-zillion-zillion higher intelligence, a vast intelligence, not the very essence, reason, meaning of life.

There are enough signs form our basic knowledge of human cultures, differences, religions, especially Ra material that show that mistakes are made. Love filled actions are exploited by STS. They have to be backed by wisdom to ensure that balance between STO and STS remains.

As some including Unity100 have pointed out before, everything maybe well from Ra's perspective, but for some innocent villager picked by a government during counter-insurgency and being tortured repeatedly for years, everything is not well. Any Godly being that says that all third density beings should always stick to just love, and the motto - "All is well", needs to come to Earth and get a taste of some of the dark prisons.

All is well in the big picture, no doubt about it. That is the beauty of existence and the One creator. All will be well once you are in higher densities too, but if you do not challenge love filled actions that lead to disastrous results, then these will be repeated. On other threads, I have seen people accepting our current logos-Sun's decision making as perfect as it is, since the veil provides such unique experiences, beauty etc. Well, it may seem so, when you are sitting in 6th density, just watching and enjoying the life experiences form a distance, or you have nice, safe middle class life in some western country. But, if you were born in India, and gotten stuck in one of their religious riots, or being led to one of the many, many dark places on Earth, you will have a very different thought process.


A thread I was reading few minutes ago, some guy was saying how STS worlds are a very interesting part of the existence's mystery, and he personally would not have it any other way. How this represented his grand understanding, and his love for all the creatures of existence. Well, again, if you were in just a slightly different situation, then we will see how much you appreciate existence's beauty and mystery.

There is something about Earth's history and its current societies that suggests that its not just STS. Lots of love-filled, "grand" decisions were taken. which did not go as planned. Just look at India, Bangladesh, Indonesia. If the higher intelligences knew that these countries were headed to poverty, restricted environments, why pump 1 billion additional souls there. Some may say, it fits the grand plan, where probably these souls needed those limitations. All I can say is I have observed enough of these situations to tell you, that no matter what your Karma, pre-incarnation plans may have been, the randomness of certain situations in struggling regions of the world will take over, and you won't have much time to feel "All is well".

The decision by yahweh to give physical advantages to certain groups had only two possible outcomes:

1. The benefited group will adopt love and unity, and through next 3600 years maintain its cultural dominance, and thereby spread love and unity, leading to a grand, bountiful harvest at the end of the major cycle.
2. Or, during those 3,600 years, this group will lose its principles of love and unity, and actually those physical advantages can now be used to dominate others. Half of Earth's recent history has been about someone being darker, shorter than you thereby proving your superiority. That was one of the major driving forces behind European imperialism too, which is ofcourse ignored by most academics. If you were ever to delve into ethnic differences, you will be amazed how many of world's history, cultures are dictated by someone just being shorter, darker, different-eyed from you.

So, obviously giving such an important advantage to one group is a huge, huge risk to take.

Maybe this was just a short-term plan, not expected to run for 3600 years. They were hoping that these bigger, stronger, love-filled people will inspire others to copy their thought process in just few generations. But that sounds so generic too. The risks would have been enormous even without Orion intervention. Maybe this simplistic plan worked on some less intense planet, with lesser veil, but on Earth, you can not just give one group physical advantages or technology, and then expect everything to turn out to be spiritually beautiful.

Also, the giving of technology thing. Did it not occur to any of the higher beings that maybe giving it to Catholic-European region will soon lead to colonialism, and divide the world into white vs. non-white. To this day, even our current world structure is essentially white vs. others, and that is why such easy approval by public of torture and war after 9-11. Maybe higher beings did not realize it, but Earthly humans take size, skin color very, very, very seriously. These features dictate personalities, cultures, and world politics. Even in the modern post-racial world, the subconscious effects of skin, size, visible differences is obvious to anyone, who is really looking.

Anyways, this turning into a long rant. But basically, good thread, i wish there was more Unity100 kinda thinking in spiritual people, and hopefully higher realms too, even if it may seem a bit abrupt, and not all lovey-dovey.

Ofcourse, all will be well the moment we die. Once we are beyond this density, all will be comprehensively well, for now it is not. It may be for me and you personally. i got a good life, but for many other it isn't, and many of them are kind, intelligent people, stuck in unfortunate situations created by forces beyond their control. So, taking personal responsibility like Al Qadir suggested on Page 2 won't help these few souls either.

ps: I suspect that at high-high-high levels, beyond the current seven densities, they probably expect miscalculations by higher vibrations, and this whole system is guided like clockwork. As in, no matter ho much STO mess up, no matter how much STS may win, at the end of the day balance will be what infinite creator has learned over its infinite existence to be most appropriate for this octave. So, its not like STO higher level mistakes will lead to STS everywhere, or STS winning this universe or something. So, all is well at higher levels, but that does not mean that we do not study this "mistakes" and question higher intelligences. So, I do have faith that All is indeed well, and will always be. But for now, if Sun-logos decisions may create beautiful, new experiences, and give an extra "zing" to life here, but if that zing leads to someone suffering torture, pain beyond limits and logic, then we need to question that "zing".

ps: Not personally blaming logos, Yahweh etc. because if they made all their decisions with genuine love and concern for life, I accept their choices, and their intent. The point is not to personally blame them, but to question the essence of these decisions, so perhaps these decisions can be improved. I have no interest in existing at all, if higher decisions cannot be questioned, and we cannot call out the infinite creator for all the pain that we observe, and the few unfortunate ones, who experience that pain. I have faith that all questions will be eventually answered (thats why a spirit's path is so long) but I have to ask those questions first.

[Infinite]

Excellent thread. But, you were forgetting an important point: Yahweh wasn't the only responsible by the current conflicts. The Orion Empire and your fake Yahweh too.

18.20 Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes that Yahweh performed?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars seven five, seventy-five thousand [75,000] years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The two six oh oh [2,600], approximately, time was the second time— we correct ourselves— three six oh oh [3,600], approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

18.21 Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex or subcomplex as elite or different and better than other-selves, this one of the techniques of service to self.

18.22 Questioner: Then the Orion group… I’m not quite sure that I understand this. Do you mean that the Orion group produced this larger body complex to create an elite so that the Law of One could be applied in what we call the negative sense?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The entities of Yahweh were responsible for this procedure in isolated cases as experiments in combating the Orion group.

However, the Orion group were able to use this distortion of mind/body complex to inculcate the thoughts of the elite rather than concentrations upon the learning/teaching of oneness.

[...]

18.24 Questioner: Then Yahweh’s communications did not help or did not create what Yahweh wished for them to create. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness, the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able for the first time to make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex.

18.25 Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what allowed the most serious of these inroads to be made by the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question.

Specifically those who are strong, intelligent, etc., have a temptation to feel different from those who are less intelligent and less strong. This is a distorted perception of oneness with other-selves. It allowed the Orion group to form the concept of the holy war, as you may call it. This is a seriously distorted perception. There were many of these wars of a destructive nature.