Ra Material Debunked

[AnthroHeart]

My friend had me watch this video some time ago. The guy used to be a Law of One believer, but no longer.

What do others think about this?

I will watch it again to refresh my memory.

[Cyan]

Seems a bit rude , watched a bit.

[AnthroHeart]

I watched a bit but it was cringe-worthy so I couldn't watch much.

[Sacred Fool]

 
I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for being skeptical, but this fellow contends that the Ra Material is a made up story, and his basis for saying this is his own made up story that it is a made up story.  To me, he simply displays his own bias.  That does not constitute a debunking.  He does not take a close look at the material and just says it's bunk because he says so.  Big deal.

 

[speedforce131]

Watching it right now but it's already BS. Where to start?

1st, skipping past the other stuff in the beginning, the first thing that popped out at me was that he doubted the validity of Carla's energy being taxed due to channeling. He chalks it up to failing health b/c it's the natural thing to do. As someone who went through psychotic depression as a result of overuse of remote viewing and a rudimentary form of channeling, I know from personal experience that this type of work, that deals with psychic ability, is extremely taxing. It's taken me 1 year and I have not even fully recovered yet. Consider that I've pushed physical healing beyond the boundaries of the normal person. I exercise every day, I take vitamins, I take accounting of my thoughts and so on.

2nd, this touches on some of the things he said at the beginning. That channeling is all imaginary and it's just human storytelling. I can sympathize with a part of this because my rudimentary form of channeling has been proven to myself that it's essentially beliefs mixed in with very very shoddy remote viewing (psychic impressions of time). So he's sort of onto something there and it's not something we currently understand. However what *I* do is not the same as what Carla does or what other channelers do. Ra and other members of the Confederation say that they cannot come through except by the unconscious state. I think it was Q'uo that said that they (scientists) cannot currently prove that something is coming from the beyond.

While we don't know exactly why our psychic abilities work (and we ALL have them), or why channeling works, something IS happening when we do these things. Science has studied them to a degree.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...es/361882/

In contrast, when practitioners surrender their will, such as when they speak in tongues or function as a medium, activity decreases in their frontal lobes and increases in their thalamus, the tiny brain structure that regulates the flow of incoming sensory information to many parts of the brain. This suggests that their speech is being generated from some place other than the normal speech centers.

So really it's up to you whether you want to believe that the source of the messages is external or not. From this same article, could there be a gene that identifies us as wanderers? (offtopic I know)

It’s debatable whether these practices are more effective when founded on religious or spiritual beliefs. Dr. Dean Hamer, author of the book, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes, discovered that research subjects with a particular variation of a certain gene were more susceptible to self-transcendent, spiritual experiences.

3rd is on the 2012 "failure". First, every Confederation entity that's been channeled, and even Jesus Christ himself taught that no one can know the date or hour. This 2012 thing SOUNDS LIKE a human interpretation and when it comes to predicting dates and such, it can be very wrong. As a remote viewer, I know this full well because when you remote view future events, there's no dates attached to them. We only know that this event is "next" in the chain. We don't know when or where. If you want to see validated reports on viewing the future, I can provide this to you. You can trace the feedback (validated sessions paired with real world evidence) all the way back.

4th, speaking of remote viewing, this guy doubts that there is a seen and unseen world. He could not be farther from the truth. When you remote view, you ARE working with that unseen world. That place in time that has not happened yet (or has happened). Some people have managed to view 4th density itself. Here is the session data:
https://imgur.com/a/h94dk7F

What's funny is that he always retreats to "science" but he can't even explain what that information is supposed to mean. He is a victim of his own thinking in that he's trying to break down a belief system and he uses another belief system to do it. At least if you're going to do it, then do it right. So here, let me add my input, counter-point if you will, on why other densities/dimensions exist, using science.

https://medium.com/@Ella_alderson/the-te...61e54fc31c

Fourth Dimension

The fourth dimension is not a spacial one but it consists instead of time. Time helps plot an object’s location in the universe and also adds a way for the third dimension to change. Remember how the third dimension is space without time? Well now we officially have space time.

Fifth Dimension

From here on we begin to see the higher dimensions. These are imperceptible to us, scientists believe, because they exist on a subatomic level. These dimensions are curled in on themselves in a process known as compactification. The dimensions here on out really deal with possibilities.

In the fifth dimension there would be a new world that would allow us to see the similarities and differences between our world and this new one, existing in the same position and having the same beginning as our planet, i.e. the Big Bang.

In his own belief system (science), even THEY agree that other dimensions exist and this is exactly what "densities" are. So this guy is not speaking from a point of actual science. He is using science as a belief system and once you go down THAT territory, it becomes "us" vs "them", what is "right" or what is "wrong, what is "good" and what is "evil". Where he strayed was that he is not looking at it from a wide perspective. He's taking sides and cherry picking what he wants to believe based on the information available. You can't just argue against something, but you must also argue FOR it as well. Only then can you use a process that allows you to gain a better understanding. Had he tried to argue FOR the Ra material, he might've found this article that I linked.

5th, I can sort of empathize here where he's saying that religion is the cause of some of society's problems and hallucinations, etc. As someone who experienced psychotic depression, which includes the hallucinations found in schizophrenia, I can attest to the fact that erroneous beliefs, way of thinking and so on can lead to this condition and a large part of it DOES come from spiritual teachings. Having recovered in large part, I've done a re-examining of these beliefs and brought it down to a more sensible level. See, the answer isn't a total lack of faith, or totally full of faith. It's somewhere down the middle. You have to be very realistic in what our world is, what we are, but spirituality teaches us that there is something beyond this. The idea is not to emphasize that side over our own life, only to acknowledge that there IS that which is beyond.

He's not correct at all about religion. Religion served to be the heart of humanity. Because without it, we would just be a system of laws, and under a system of laws in which you have no heart, you have no compassion. There is the absence of that "spice of life" so to speak. Religion also aspires us to do better. So while he has somewhat good intent there (that he just wants a good world regardless), he's incredibly biased and does not see the wisdom of what religion also brings to the table. Not everything is perfect. Religion is not perfect, science isn't perfect either. The answer is somewhere down the middle.

6th, next he talks about evidence. Ra and others have said on many occasions that there is no evidence. We don't live in a density of knowing. The veil is there to keep us from knowing the entire truth. What we know is only based on what we study and even then, that's imperfect. He is correct in that we operate on faith more so then facts. Where he fails to understand is that the Confederation mostly teaches lessons based on life, love, happiness and so on. This is something that DOES have a real effect on our lives and something that we can see and experience. If you look through the majority of the channeling sessions, you will find that this is what they primarily teach.

Let's say that you don't believe in channeling, in other entities, the unseen world and all that. If I were to take their lessons absent of the metaphysical, and teach that to others, would it still not ring true? This is part of the core in what I do. I teach Law of One without the identity of the Law of One. People's lives are actually better for it. Heck, I teach Jesus's concepts without the identity of Jesus. Does it still work? Of course it does because it's the truth.

7th, he starts talking about time and it's a bit funny as he does not understand what he's talking about since he's so confused. First he talks about illusion but he does not understand the context behind the usage of the word illusion. Illusion isn't the sense that the "real" world in 3rd density is fake and that 4th density is "real". Because both are "real". For example, let's say that you're presented with the choice of whether or not to eat a bowl of cheerios. That's an illusion because you HAVE to eat that bowl of cheerios since you HAVE to eat to live.

This also goes into a whole can of worms of whether there is or is not free will, and whether we live in a computer simulation. Which I might add, ADDS to the statement that what we are living in is an illusion. There's many things in our world that can be considered illusions. Elections for example, are illusions.

He stumbles around the concept that Ra exists outside of time. Time in itself is an illusion.

https://www.space.com/29859-the-illusion-of-time.html

The question is whether these features are actual realities of the physical world or artificial constructs of human mentality. Time may not be what time seems — this smooth unity without parts, the ever-existing stage on which all happenings happen.

Huw Price, professor of philosophy at Cambridge University, claims that the three basic properties of time come not from the physical world but from our mental states: A present moment that is special; some kind of flow or passage; and an absolute direction.

"What physics gives us," Price said, "is the so-called 'block universe,' where time is just part of a four-dimensional space-time … and space-time itself is not fundamental but emerges out of some deeper structure."

So again, SCIENCE, what he falls back on as a BELIEF SYSTEM, FAILS him. Even THEY (scientists) agree with us!

In conclusion, look, I can appreciate that it may be part of his life path to reject all religion. In fact he came to religion to learn, and then rejected it for the most part. In his life path he is trying to learn the wisdom of both with and without religion. That's totally okay. He's welcome to his opinion and this is what he incarnated for. However speaking personally, I've come to an understanding after so much studying, after having certain experiences, that the material I'm reading has some basis in truth.

It's no coincidence that Law of One, Dolores Cannon and Robert Monroe, as well as the government's remote viewing program, all produce strikingly similar results when it comes to the spiritual world. Two books in particular I'd recommend, are Between Death & Life, Conversations with Spirit, and Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey. They both describe 4th density in amazing detail, even beyond how Jesus tried to describe it. They both come from different disciplines too! Dolores does hypnosis regression and Monroe Institute does astral travel. The odds of them reporting on the same phenomenon is astronomical.

Anyways, I digress. You make your own choices as to what to believe. Either way, it's fine. As long as you live by the concepts of service to others, the world is a better place. That's really what's important here.

[JJCarsonian]

My friend had me watch this video some time ago. The guy used to be a Law of One believer, but no longer.

What do others think about this?

I will watch it again to refresh my memory.

sounds like someone with strong distortions in mind looking to prove it out.

[Infinite]

Man, don't waste your time with skeptics (I suppose he's materialist). Their "God" is the science which is limited because ignore everything which can't be reproduced by scientific method. This is, the paranormal abilities has been test in laboratories on the last 150 years, but skeptics always ignore because "what can't be proved by science doesn't exists".

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah, my friend had an out of body experience when doing pot once, and still doesn't believe in the soul. He has also ignored the evidence I sent him of orgonite with freezing water and the patterns of ice it forms.

[Cainite]

I watched a bit.
So if Carla was healthy and acted all superior and above matter, this guy would take her seriously?

He also seemed to have a problem with Ra being invisible and therefore illusory.
While an illusion can either be formless or not.

I agree with him about it all being a good story. like the life of every other seeker or group of seekers.

He said it's not wise to run around and tell everyone about your loving nature.
I have seen that in some perhaps ''overstimulated'' people or the ones who never got the affirmation and attention of their parents in early years.
but LOO doesn't encourage this at all.

Part of the message I got from it was ''give medicine to the sick first''

[loostudent]

So really it's up to you whether you want to believe that the source of the messages is external or not.

There are some second thoughts. "Instruments" who channel usually hear and read other material, a bunch of books and other impressions. It could be their own subconscious mind with trance state enabling such toying. If I remember Don and Carla also werent sure about the channeling process. That's why they visited some groups and there they were actually supposed to saw a visual manifestation of an entity as a proof.

[Patrick]

There are many "opportunities" within the material to find reasons to reject it.  This is perfectly fine.  We work so hard to come down here and experience the forgetting and TLoO could easily make someone awaken themselves.  So if awakening is not desired for this incarnation, then the person will have many ways of rejecting the material.  This particular person just wanted to make extra certain that the material would not touch them, so they went overboard with the rejection.    But that's ok!

[TheJoan]

You do not meditate to ask for things. the guy asked for some proof and didn't get it. Now he's against it. You meditate to create balance between mind/body/spirit to lower the ego to eliminate thoughts so you can reflect the truth in this reality. how hard is that to understand?

[David_1]

His summary as it appears to me:
1) I don't believe it.
2) I don't see or understand it.
Therefore, it does not exist.

A counter example from nature:
A tomato seed is tiny.
If planted, a bush can grow that produces delicious fruits!
I don't understand that either!
It doesn't mean it's not real.