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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters On the negative polarity here on earth.

    Thread: On the negative polarity here on earth.


    Tenet Nosce (Offline)

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    #31
    12-10-2012, 05:07 PM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2012, 07:09 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (12-05-2012, 10:42 AM)Phoenix Wrote: (HA HA HA, I ACTUALLY CHANGED MY VIEW WITHIN THIS POST)

    BigSmile

    Quote:
    Quote:Questioner: Thank you. In closing that part of the discussion I would just say that if there is anything that we can do that is within our ability—and I understand that there are many things such as the ones that you just mentioned that are not within our ability—that we could do for this particular entity, if you would in the future communicate its requests to us we will at least consider them because we would like to serve in every respect. Is this agreeable to you?

    Ra: I am Ra. We perceive that we have not been able to clarify your service versus its desire for service. You need, in our humble opinion, to look at the humor of the situation and relinquish your desire to serve where no service is requested. The magnet will attract or repel. Glory in the strength of your polarization and allow others of opposite polarity to similarly do so, seeing the great humor of this polarity and its complications in view of the unification in sixth density of these two paths.

    The entity mentioned is the negative 5D one.

    Actually, here Don seems to be suggesting what I am, and then Ra advises him otherwise, maybe it's not such a good idea. Perhaps sending love to bad things is not respecting your natural self: 'The magnet will attract or repel.'

    Exactly. The magnet will attract or repel. Ra suggested that a more "pithy or eloquent" view would be to "consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet (93.3)." rather than as "service to others and service to self."
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    #32
    12-13-2012, 05:17 AM
    (12-10-2012, 01:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: You said...

    Ankh Wrote:My belief is that sending love always works out well,

    Always... but with the forthcoming conditions:

    Ankh Wrote:if this sending is seated in the green ray or above and

    IF #1

    Ankh Wrote:if there is no attachment to the outcome.

    IF #2

    I was agreeing but saying those (#1 and #2) are some big IFs, given the general population. Precisely because we are 3D beings. We all have yellow and orange ray distortions to contend with... and let's be honest with ourselves...

    Perhaps just saying from my part that if the sending of love is seated in the green ray and above, it will always work out well, would be enough. Because if the sending is seated in the green ray, there is new true color entity (green ray activated), right?

    But, you said it right there. Honesty is something that our people have in great paucity (and I primarily mean the honesty with the self). To be honest with our orange and yellow ray issues/distortions is something that is perhaps very difficult. Anywho,

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:is there really no attachment to the outcome? For most people, I would say no. There is probably some attachment.

    Is it really a pure green ray then? In my understanding, an attachment or control is coming from three lower rays, not from the green ray and above...?

    (And it is this very honesty with the self, that illuminates and clarifies the real intention of any given action. But let us to be honest again, how many are doing that work or even aware of that kind of work in our society today? ; ))

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    Ankh Wrote:I think that most of the times the love offered, or the "green bombs" as you have called them, might perhaps not be pure green ray, but is of mixed orientation of orange and yellow rays as well. But people need to learn these ways of love in their own way, in their own pace, somehow, no?

    In order to answer this question, I think we would need to look very deeply at our inner motives. And these may not be clear due to the very distortions you mention. That's precisely the problem with yellow/orange ray distortions: In order to balance them we must bring in the blue/indigo which means being willing to bear witness to ourselves in our totality- which includes the shadow aspect of ourselves. It also means acknowledging our own hidden motives, and sometimes even being "brutally" honest with ourselves.

    48.7 Wrote:There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with other-self.

    I completely agree with you.

    However, "the green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves" (41:25). This entity does not wish to control or have an attachment to the outcome of freely given universal love which is *unconditional*.

    Of course, these purely green ray activated entities are, as we have said before, few. Most of the people who are trying/learning to radiate green ray, have also mixed polarity/orientation and blockages in three lower rays.

    (My belief here again, that it is that "brutal" honesty with the self which is the light and the path leading out of the dark woods of the self, through the lower three rays, into the heart.)

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:People try to control each other with love all the time "for their own good." An overbearing mother or spouse probably does not see themselves in a negative light... but the controlled spouse/child probably feels differently.

    Often times, when the spouse/child thus controlled attempts to approach the controlling party, offense is taken, i.e., "How DARE you suggest that I have anything less than the purest of loving intentions toward you!" RollEyes

    In my opinion, that wasn't the pure green ray in the beginning. And as you continue speaking of taking offense:

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Obviously, "taking offense" is actually defensiveness projected outward. But good luck explaining that to the offended party in such a scenario...

    Truth is, that the offended party has perceived that their "love is rejected." Of course, this isn't the case. What is the case is that the controlling energy that has become attached to the love has been rejected. But since "truth is subjective" the controller may continue to choose to perceive that their love has been rejected by their beloved.

    Eventually, if the controlling behavior continues, the controlled spouse/child will likely decide that they must needs reject the love as well. But this is because the controlling-self has refused to accept the reality of their offering.

    "Taking offense" sounds to me like an orange ray issue.

    There is this quote of Ra, where they speak of our society, which might fit into this discussion:

    Ra, 41:14 Wrote:In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

    The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

    However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:They see only the green-ray component, and deny that the yellow/orange influences are present.

    Yes, I agree. It is a sad but true fact about our "social memory complex".

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:This is the stuff of "everyday life" that the average human has to contend with on a daily basis. My question: Is this a distortion that we wish to carry with us into fourth density? Or would we prefer to leave it behind?

    Earth is distorted. Our mind/body/spirit complexes are furthermore distorted. Only those who have learned the activity called "loving" without any significant distortion will graduate. How many they are is not yet known as the Harvest is not yet, but it is said to be much less that this planet is able to comfortably support. It's difficult to say what exactly will and will not be carried with us into fourth density from this third density experience on Gaia and what will be left behind, but this is a sure very interesting Harvest!

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Nevertheless, attempting to control others with love is an infringement on free will. Though likely, an infringement of the most innocuous variety where karmic considerations are concerned. But this is due to the nature of the established relationships in one's life.

    For example, if we are two family members attempting to control each other with love... well we probably already have karmic ties and that is why we have this kind of relationship. But to extend outside of those relationships and try to control strangers "for their own good" that might carry more weight where karma is concerned.

    In my understanding, love doesn't desire to control. It is orange and yellow ray issues speaking here. And speaking of your example above, the reason to why these family members might keep incarnating with each other and might have karmic bonds is because of the choice they are here to make. What do they want to do in the so called "future", i.e. after this density? To love each other or to control each other? This is the density of choice where, as Ra put it, the statue is forged in the fire. The refinements are done later.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    Ankh Wrote:But I don't know what's "best" for Gaia...? She has indeed not requested love or healing, so even though Q'uo is encouraging us to send her love and light, is it infringement? What is your opinion about that?

    Again, Gaia is the planetary entity. Part of her role is to accept whatever energies we feel to be in abundance (negative or positive) and to either neutralize them, or redirect them to the appropriate nexus. Gaia is like the system administrator par excellence of the global distribution network for love. We cannot overload her with love. And each of us has an intimate relationship with her, whether we acknowledge it or not.

    Thank you for this! It was very helpful.
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    #33
    12-14-2012, 06:45 PM (This post was last modified: 12-14-2012, 06:48 PM by Phoenix.)
    Hey Tenet.

    I have had to push myself to answer here, this is a delicate subject that possibly needs much description but I have some sort of bug undermining me and my next few days are likely to be busy so it's now or never.

    I scrutinised session 67. and 32.1 and other sources, such as remembering old dreams. I have decided that the more important thing is to focus on the Creator, and that the negative polarity is sort of secondary to that. (You send love in order to remain unblocked, not so much for the effect it has on the negative polarity.)

    Also, out of the names added on my second post, entities who follow the creator and naturally influence the negative polarity as a side effect. I would also like to add Princess Diana.

    I would like to return however to this quote since the subject has become so politicised on this forum:

    Quote:Questioner: If an entity wants to be of service to others rather than service to self while he is in this third density, are there “best ways” of being of service to others, or is any way just as good as any other way?

    Ra: I am Ra. The best way to be of service to others has been explicitly covered in previous material. We will iterate briefly.

    The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

    Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.
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    #34
    12-14-2012, 11:20 PM
    (12-10-2012, 03:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In other threads, you suggested that following the immanent "quantum leap" that we will be experiencing "a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes (17.1)"

    If you are correct, then what might be the unforeseen consequences of people starting to organize in groups in order to consciously direct love energy at these negatively oriented complexes during the early days of full 4D instreaming?
    It really depends on the intent and ability.

    (12-10-2012, 03:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Does that sound like a good idea to you?
    Any activity that increases consciousness while becoming aware of distortions is a good idea.

    (12-10-2012, 03:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Would you personally participate in this sort of group mind activity?
    I have other ways to participate. The earth is actually a good learning resource.
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    12-14-2012, 11:38 PM
    I asked Jim this question...hear tonight's radio show if you're interested in his opinion regarding this topic.

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    #36
    12-15-2012, 09:08 AM
    (12-14-2012, 06:45 PM)Phoenix Wrote: I have decided that the more important thing is to focus on the Creator, and that the negative polarity is sort of secondary to that.

    Ra agrees with you, Phoenix. Tongue

    Ra, 102:2 Wrote:We may note that the instrument has remained centered upon the Creator at a percentage exceeding ninety. This is the key. Continue in thanksgiving and gratitude for all things.
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    12-15-2012, 02:18 PM
    (12-14-2012, 11:38 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I asked Jim this question...hear tonight's radio show if you're interested in his opinion regarding this topic.

    Thanks for asking the question, Monica! It was framed a bit differently than I had in my mind, though I realize you were making a composite question based on the totality of the conversation.

    I thought it was interesting that Jim's knee-jerk response was, "That's impossible!" but then proceeded to say it depended on the intention behind the sending. I think we all agree that the intention is key.

    The point I have been attempting to make is that we don't always know what the totality of our intentions are. "New Age" circles are filled with people who have genuine green-ray activation, but who nevertheless get caught up in yellow/orange dynamics- hidden intentions, butthurt-ness, ego massaging, etc. And let me be clear that I am not holding myself out as an exception to this.

    The problem lay wherein seekers are in denial of their own imbalances. On the surface, they project the appearance of "love and light" but underneath is a roiling sea of turbulent emotions and lack of self-acceptance.

    It a nutshell: Unacknowledged yellow/orange influence = Unintended consequences.

    I started this side-discussion by asking: Why not simply radiate love out in all directions, without attachments to a specific entities, in particular named negative entities?

    This question still stands. And after all the debate I haven't seen anybody actually offer a good reason why we should send love energy to named negative entities, rather than radiating out in all directions without condition.

    So at this point, unless somebody would like to come forward with reasoning as to why we would choose to place conditions and restrictions on our love, rather than offering it freely and without attachment, I will consider this discussion closed for my part. I have said what I had to say- anything more would just be repeating myself and going around in circles.

    Thanks again for getting Jim's opinion in this topic.
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    #38
    12-15-2012, 03:28 PM
    (12-15-2012, 02:18 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I started this side-discussion by asking: Why not simply radiate love out in all directions, without attachments to a specific entities, in particular named negative entities?

    This question still stands. And after all the debate I haven't seen anybody actually offer a good reason why we should send love energy to named negative entities, rather than radiating out in all directions without condition.

    So at this point, unless somebody would like to come forward with reasoning as to why we would choose to place conditions and restrictions on our love, rather than offering it freely and without attachment, I will consider this discussion closed for my part. I have said what I had to say- anything more would just be repeating myself and going around in circles.

    I do think I at least attempted to answer your question in an earlier post:


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    Quote:5. Sending love to any specific entity constitutes an unspoken affirmation that said entity is more in need or more deserving of love than any particular other entity.

    Disagree once again on practice terms. Given that we're all one, I think it's safe to say that most of us have found it easier and more natural to love those who are easily lovable or of positive polarity, then finding it not hard to love those who are of mixed polarity, and yet have found it most difficult when initially awakened to find love for the negative polarity. At least, this is true for myself and everyone I've spoken with who are awakened. As such, sending love to the negative entities specifically is correcting an imbalance, not creating one. It merely reinforces our journey as radiant sto positive beings that we love all unconditionally, and recognizes that we have not always showered those more selfish with such love.

    Just look around our own forum. There are a ton of people in the process of awakening and obviously have anger toward the negative elite, have knee jerk reactions when Lucifer is mentioned, etc. It's clear they though they may radiate love to many entities, when the negative ones are mentioned they become angry. Of course, you're right many "lightworkers" may use that anger and use yellow/orange to "send love bombs", but for those of them who have moved past it, I think it's very important to balance our their directed anger/feelings of ill will toward negative entities by sending them unconditional, accepting love. And when I say sending, I simply meaning meditating on those they felt anger, and nonacceptance toward, and feeling love toward them.
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