1990.09.23 - 2nd density vehicles; list of diseases / their cause

[Patrick]

Sometimes I think that 3d is not supposed to be physical. Ra did state that our physical body is not our actual body.

That's not easy to understand. What if 3d is normally done in the astral or something like that?

[Parsons]

Sometimes I think that 3d is not supposed to be physical. Ra did state that our physical body is not our actual body.

That's not easy to understand. What if 3d is normally done in the astral or something like that?

Yes! I am starting to think that as well as I have also seen some other postings by members from non l/l sources claiming 3rd isnt supposed to be a physical density, Im glad you brought it up.

It also makes me wonder what the "default" 3D experience is, if there is such a thing.

[Patrick]

Very helpful quote here.

47.8 Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral, and the mental. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects etc. of each of these or any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies and each body’s effects in various situations is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave.

We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc. However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name.

The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.

The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.

The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.

Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex.

Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept.

[Parsons]

Patrick/Valtor for president! You found a direct LOO reference to 2D vehicles.

[Oceania]

but that body is not the same as an animal. an animal has a soul and a spirit.

[Patrick]

Patrick/Valtor for president! You found a direct LOO reference to 2D vehicles.

Hehe, actually I think this quote supports both viewpoints. It bridges the gap.

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but that body is not the same as an animal. an animal has a soul and a spirit.

According to Ra. Animals are mind/body complexes. We are enspirited from 3d on up and become spirit/mind/body complexes. The spirit brings self-awareness or self-awareness brings the spirit. I'm not sure of the order.

[Parsons]

Confirmation from a completely separate source:

There are essentially no instances of 3rd or 4th density beings who would choose to undergo experience as a 2nd density being having evolved beyond it for ample opportunity for service is available and far more advantageous beginning in the 3rd density although it may be noted that the physical vehicle of the entity inhabiting it in 3rd density is a 2nd density being with the consciousness which pilots it being of any density from nativity in 3rd to the 4th-8th densities.

This further solidifies this concept to me.

[Jeremy]

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues..._0923.aspx

Such a wonderful explanation of the mental or physical impairments that create such catalysts

When preincarnative choice has given to you a difficulty, have faith that you are a spirit advanced enough to participate in your own destiny, that occurrences do not happen simply by chance, that the seeming poverty, the seeming limitation, the seeming difficulty, the seeming illness, is also a forthright aid in setting up a circumstance in which a lesson of love can be learned under adverse conditions. Yours is the last density with truly adverse conditions for the positive, or service-to-others oriented person. Only in this density, the density of choice, does this occur. Know then, that that which is in front of you is not more than you can work with, is not that which defeats; you would not program that for yourself. But you are stretching yourself, because you wish to change, you wish to become even more polarized in love and service to the Creator and others than you are now. There may be a lesson to learn, there may be a part of service that you chose that could not be achieved in any other way, given the uniqueness of your person, the uniqueness of your character. Consequently, there are illnesses, limitations and what seems to be a grinding and degrading poverty, that may be seen, only in a spiritual sense, as challenges, rather than difficulties; as chances to learn, rather than sentences of condemnation.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you for the post. I have seen my illness as rather limiting. It's causing me a great deal of catalyst. I want to see my challenges for what they are. I don't want to be overextended in my ability to deal with the catalyst. It's really caused me a deal of worry. With illness like this, I brought a lot of trouble on myself. I like the verbage about chances to learn. That is how I want to see my challenges of life. A chance to get closer to those in my life which I love. A chance to show love in new ways, more profound ways. I am glad this is the last density where trouble will be faced such as which I have experienced. Hopefully the life of troubles will be worth it.

[Bring4th_Austin]

The previous two posts were merged into this thread from a separate thread.

[Karl]

it's opposite (disconnection with the spirit complex) would be felt as despair ... depression ... being isolated in an uncaring universe.

That's actually very similar to a personal realization I've made lately.

[BrownEye]

Great thread Parsons, I have always looked at myself as an animal with a societal installed operating system. My self only being individual by allowing signals to come into my crown.

[Parsons]

After months of contemplation, I have been able to distinguish (in most situations) if a behavior is due to what I like to think as my '2D onboard computer' and what is my actual 3D consciousness/spirit thanks to this information. I have found it quite helpful since you can program the 2D portion of your mind just like a computer. For example, you may be lost in thought (such as I am very frequently) and drive all the way to work on auto-pilot without giving it a single thought since your 2D vehicle knows exactly how to get you there. Another similar example is just after you have moved and you start auto-piloting to your previous residence and have to correct yourself.

Also, I've noticed that this portion of your Being(MBS/C) is much more apt to black and white thinking and I consider it salient to reexamine a situation(catalyst) if I over-simplify by just labeling something/someone 'good or bad'. This is not to say I 'blame' any action or thought on this vehicle; I take full responsibility for it.