1981.02.03 - Book 1, Session 17 - Oahspe

[Quantum]

..Look above wherein I state LOVE is enough. I am suggesting that love coupled also with the principle of contemplation allows polarization more acutely, this as specified in a Ra quote as seen and discussed in the "Rapid Polarization vis-a-vis Abstraction" thread on "Life on Planet Earth." Love is plenty enough. There may however be "far more to work with" as Ra stated, coupled with love.

Yes, you did indeed say love is enough. But then proceed to offer that maybe something could be added to it, by the terms love coupled also with. (If I'm misunderstanding you, please let me know!)
At the risk of splitting hairs, I think the difference between what I understand you to be saying and what I'm saying is this: I don't think anything can be added to love, for love is all there is. I don't think anything can be added to the final value of how much love/light is being absorbed/radiated,

I am speaking to the direct quote by Ra that those with the ability to abstract have a bit more to work with as regards polarizing more rapidly. Yes Love is enough, but it helps a bit to offer contemplation to it to polarize more rapidly. This is fully addressed for those interested in the "Rapid Polarization vis-s-vis Abstraction" thread on "Life On Planet Earth" as previously noted.

.....just for the exercise and wonderment, if not simply for the sheer joy of the "unknown maybe". Who knows needn't be offered with each new "maybe". We know we don't know.

I understand your point and don't want to diminish in any way your sense of wonderment. Personally, I find that I get so much exercise already, just dealing with everyday catalyst, that I keep plenty busy.

Each according to their own paths.. All is well.

From Whitefeather:

...it seems that in order for Love/Light to cause to move/ascend transcendentally, it must be received at least at 51% in kind in order for the said recipient thereof to act on same. His filters may be on at 49%, but off enough at 51% enough so as to receive at 51%. Thus the said reception of the L/L principle is minimally required at 51% to indeed cause to move equally at the 51% mark and thus transcend minimally at 51%. ...as it has been instructed, is that this density of 3D requires 51% to move to 4D. ....If 51% is required for us to penetrate/transcend, then may it not stand to reason that our ability to absorb at 51% is the Hallmark for transcendence?

Greetings Quantum and thank you for your views, quite intellectual approach indeed! cool. I got only a few excerpts out. Since you mention the 51% and graduation topics, I thought of sharing this below with you.

I understand differently the 51% STO path. For me the 51% are rather on the giving end than on the receiving end....It is real simple the way I 'see' this: It comes to 51% giving versus 49% taking, basically!

Greetings as well Whitefeather. I appreciate your musings and willingness to engage. My question to your wonderful approach would be this, this in the Ra vernacular: What is giving if not taking, i.e offerer/acceptor vs acceptor/offerer(?) What lesson-teaching may I indeed offer other than what I have accepted so that I may give? They emanate from the same energy and principle. See? There is no separation in either energy in its time/space format other than that which we individualize in our space/time format.

I am sure that somewhere Ra mentions the kind of energy we transfer through each of our chakra.

Indeed they did, and quite extensively I might add. I would invite you to read on the material extensively, as you are absolutely intuiting correctly in many respects.

I would not say that these 51% are matching our level of consciousness in the sense that it is virtually impossible to be more that 52% STO while surviving in 3D as human beings, since our metabolism itself is mainly an STS activity and so is our immune system.

This might be challenged quite rigorously, at least certainly from the Ra Material vs what other source you may be drawing from. One may presumably be vibrating quite higher than a mere 52%, although there is nothing specific to this as quotable fact by Ra, were any member to request I provide such evidence. I speculate, deduce, induce, and wonder only, lest any feel I presume. However Ra states specifically the fact that one need"only" be at 51% to graduate. The mere fact that Ra however suggested that one "only" need be at 51% however, suggests by deduction that more than 51% is also evident, thus more than 52% by inference as well .

I am also quite intrigued if not marveled on your view that the human immune system and metabolism has a polarity of STS in any manner whatsoever. Let us take flight with speculation once more as an exercise. Let us assume that a highly STO individual is ready for graduation at say a 60%-75% STO level, notwithstanding that you believe no one may achieve more than 52%. Would a highly STO oriented individual not also be in high synchronization to all systems within his body, and not also have a highly oriented immune system as well, functioning in fluidity, even paradoxically in the midst of a cancer that is ravaging him? Allow your mind to bend at the seeming contradiction. But to your point in any event, I would suggest that the immune system serves in the light to ward off dis-ease, this as much serving STO as it does STS , verses being primarily or wholly STS.

Curious to your further ponderings.......and speculations...

Q

[Monica]

I asked Carla her opinion on this:

15:21:44 ‹Bring4th_Monica› Carla, I have a question: There is a discussion on the forum about the Oahspe book, which Ra said was 'approved by Council.' Some members were wondering how it could have been approved, when some of its info seems to directly contradict the Law of One teachings. For example, it says reincarnation if false. more
09/19/09 15:22:16 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Monica, if another question comes in, just break in. I'll keep talking a bit about asking for help.
09/19/09 15:22:35 ‹Bring4th_Monica› So we were wondering what criteria the Council uses to 'approve' something. Does it have to meet a criteria of % undistorted or somethig like that? I have a 2nd part to this question also.
09/19/09 15:22:44 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Oh, hang on - Typing on Oahspe, Monica -
09/19/09 15:23:13 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Monica, Oahspe was written by spirit in the late nineteenth century, when typewriters had just been invented. More
09/19/09 15:23:41 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› it has a very lovely vibration, for those of you who have handled the book or read it, you know what I mean. More
09/19/09 15:24:16 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I think that the fact that it was approved by the Council of Saturn does not mean that it hews to some kind of dogma. More
09/19/09 15:25:15 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› This is an important point. The Confederation philosophy does not intend to be dogmatic. More
09/19/09 15:25:58 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› it does not intend to set up a right/wrong situation where anything that disagrees with its tenets is rejected. More
09/19/09 15:27:08 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› it is possible to have a difference of opinion on reincarnation, for example, without disturbing the book's basic vibration or possible use as a spiritual resource by seekers. I have no idea why this book was accepted and would just guess that it is the lovely, angelic vibration of the work. (l)/(i)
09/19/09 15:27:23 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Monica, do you ahve a follow-up, or another question?
09/19/09 15:27:34 ‹Bring4th_Monica› yes
09/19/09 15:27:48 ‹Bring4th_Monica› Here's the 2nd part of that question: In an effort to make some sense of how Oahspe might have been approved, I speculated that maybe mixed-polarity stuff (assuming Oashspe is mixed, which I don't really know, but just supposing) might be approved for use by those who are still undecided about polarity...or maybe even (more)
09/19/09 15:28:02 ‹Bring4th_Monica› for use by those choosing STS. Which brought up the question: Since the Council is made up of 4D, 5D & 6D SMC's & past mid 6D there is no longer polarity, could it be possible that maybe the late 6D PORTION of the Council might serve STS entities as well as STO? as in, answer their call as well?
09/19/09 15:28:08 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Monica, typing on that -
09/19/09 15:29:01 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Monica, I do not think that the Confedertion's association with us is in any way mixed. They intend to be a resource strictly for STO entities reaching for positive Harvest at this time. More
09/19/09 15:29:24 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› if the polarity of Oahspe is mixed, I cannot remember seeing it, and I have read the whole book. More
09/19/09 15:30:34 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Those of negative polarity have a separate Council, which has often been called The Orion Confederation, and they take care of nurturing STS types trying to make graduation now. Does this answer your question,Monica?
09/19/09 15:30:58 ‹Bring4th_Monica› partially, yes. Follow-up on what you said about dogma: Some members were confused as to how the Council could approve something that was blatantly FALSE (ie saying reincarnation is false, would be false) as that would be promoting lies. This gets into the 'is there such a thing as absolute truth' question.
09/19/09 15:31:27 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› OK, Monica, typing on that -
09/19/09 15:31:54 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I have found that in any spiritual inquiry we immediately run into mysteries and paradoxes. oahspe is one of these areas. More
09/19/09 15:32:23 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I think, personally, that the reason Oahspe was OK'd is that it is a history of the heaven worlds, written by angels. More
09/19/09 15:33:09 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› If it carries lots of seeming utter falsity, it still carries lots of love and a concept of the univderse that has real power for some who are trying to get "outside the box" of thinking that Earth is all there is. More
09/19/09 15:35:37 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› A few examples still remain - at the mountaintop when Jesus is transfigured and Moses and Elijah appear, for instance some of the disciples think maybe jesus is a reincarnation of either Elijah or John the Baptist - in itself silly, since Joh n the Ba[ptist lived when jesus died. More,
09/19/09 15:36:11 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Anyway, my point is, should we throw out the Bible and its new testament teaching especially because they were wrong about reincarnation? More
09/19/09 15:36:36 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› oops, that's jesus did, not Jesus died! LOL-
09/19/09 15:37:30 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› The vibration of a book and its polarity depend far more on the intention with which the book was written and its basic energy than upon various facts being straight. Why? We're back into mystery - More
09/19/09 15:38:32 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› But I would guess that since our third density is about love, not about facts, that any book which helps us to find ways to love the Creator, ourselvs and each other is going to get the OK from the Council. Is there a follow-up, Monica, or anotehr question? (l)/(i)
09/19/09 15:38:57 ‹Bring4th_Monica› One of our members who read Oahspe said it explicitly said "reincarnation is a false doctrine" so that would indicate to me that the Council might approve something based on its NET potential for raising polarity, despite it having a few flaws...or maybe the flaws help in the long run, to give people room to question & choose (more)
09/19/09 15:39:19 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Typing on that, Monica -
09/19/09 15:40:21 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I do not think the flaws help in the long run - but I think you were right the first time, that the goodness of a certain book would be judged on its net ability to function as inspiration for seekers, to get them over some aprticular place in their road where they are stuck. More
09/19/09 15:40:36 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I realized this for the first time on an airplane ride. More
09/19/09 15:41:05 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I was reading a certain book. I put it down after a while, thinking, "Boy, what air-filled, marshmallow fluff." More
09/19/09 15:41:33 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› And the lady next to me leaned over and said, "Oh, I see you are reading [name of book]! More
09/19/09 15:42:01 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› She continued, "I just love that book. it has really helped me see things in a whole new way! Isn't it wonderful?" More
09/19/09 15:42:36 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› What could i say? For her, that book hit the spot. So I told her my truth, but gently, and acknowledged her truth. (l)/(i)
09/19/09 15:42:42 ‹Bring4th_Monica› Ha, I love it! So true! Thank you. Would it be ok if I posted your comments on this question to that discussion on the forum?
09/19/09 15:43:31 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Surely, post them, Monica! Absolutely. Perhaps it will help the discussion!

[Lavazza]

Thanks for echoing that transcript, Monica. It certainly makes sense, and is probably about the most sense we can draw without tracking down the social memory complex author itself and seeing what the deal was.

So the lesson, or in conclusion, if we may draw one is that a body of work is not judged by it's true or false statements since we exist in a density where "truth" is wobbly anyway, but by it's overall vibration of positivity / negativity? Essentially, if Oahspe preached that we isolate ourselves and treat others like stepping stones to prosperity, we might have a real problem to consider? But since it does not, we do not?

[kylissa]

I have been reading Oahspe for the past week, it really does have an amazing vibration and dreamlike quality. I'm only up to the section on Zarathustra but I haven't found much information focusing on reincarnation saying blatently that it is a "false" doctrine. So far I've found mention of spirits not making the grade being carried off to another world to continue their corporeal lessons, and also of a place where dark spirits had been taken in order to have another chance as mortals. To me this could be evidence of group reincarnation. Oahspe also continually details the inner planes infastructure's development of hospitals, schools, factories, housing, etc. setup by the ethereans in order to conduct healing on spirits that need it, and mentions that gradually these places empty out. This could be evidence of reincarnation. I think the book might keep a veil on the intracacies of reincarnation due to biases set up in some religious groups to be for/against this idea. I have just started reading and have yet to finish, but I don't agree that Oahspe denies reincarnation completely from what I've read. I will edit this post once I finish reading..

edit: There are more references to reincarnation towards the middle of Oahspe. It seems to use the term "teachers of reincarnation" negatively sometimes which refers to a mortal group, like the religions of India teaching reincarnation without giving the core teaching of the One God, the great Spirit and Creator. Zarathustra seemed to change everything to the One God religions while living in Persia and that was like 1000 BC..

[Monica]

Whitefeather, I definitely would like to continue this discussion. I'm going to separate these posts about diet/life force into its own thread so we can continue the discussion there. I'll do that later today.

[Whitefeather]

Whitefeather, I definitely would like to continue this discussion. I'm going to separate these posts about diet/life force into its own thread so we can continue the discussion there. I'll do that later today.

Yep, good idea, I thought the exact same thing.
See you soon. I enjoy the exchange of view, too.

[Monica]

Our little side dialog about diet has been moved to the appropriate thread.

[Lavazza]

Hey everyone,

I've been thinking about Oahspe lately. I read the L/L book 'Secrets of the UFO', which was what the group published right before the Ra contact started. In it Don tries to explain as best he can about the purpose and meaning of the UFO phenomenon, citing many contactee groups. He frequently makes reference to Oahspe as a way of trying to make sense of the information he received, since Oahspe at that time was the best resource for esoteric information.

I cannot find the passages now, but the ones Don cited made it sound like Oahspe did not have any problem with reincarnation, which was the major theme of this thread. Can anyone who has read the entire works please supply some anti-reincarnation quotes for us to pick apart?

[Plenum]

I confess that I've read the Oahspe material, and everything else mentioned casually in the LOO including "The Urantia" , both in their entirety. I can share with you that The Urantia is a collosal volume of 2097 pages, whereas the Oahspe is a mere pittance measuring in only at a 991 page monster, and at an incredibly small font at that. Were it the normal font size of a normal textbook I assure you it would reach well into the thousand plus of pages. It is an interesting book to be sure, reading in some senses of the word much like a Biblical manuscript. It is nothing like the LOO to answer your question. It is a Bible. I will share at the outset that there are several extremely disturbing and contradictory points contained in the book in comparison to the LOO Material.

I lol'd at this wonderfully poetic response (I won't quote the full thing).

my friend mentioned this text the other day; and I find that it appears in the Ra material via one of Don's questions. This is enough for me to dig deeper:

14.28 Questioner: Can you tell me who was responsible for transmitting the book Oahspe?

Ra: .... ....


All names can be taken to be created for their vibrational characteristics. The information buried within has to do with a deeper understanding of love and light, and the attempts of infinite intelligence through many messengers to teach/learn those entities of your sphere.

[Meerie]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

60.30: Questioner: What civilization was it that helped Ra using the pyramid shape while Ra was in third-density?

Ra: I am Ra. Your people have a fondness for the naming. These entities have begun their travel back to the Creator and are no longer experiencing time.


Why are they being so evasive when Don asks for the name of someone?

[Plenum]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

60.30: Questioner: What civilization was it that helped Ra using the pyramid shape while Ra was in third-density?

Ra: I am Ra. Your people have a fondness for the naming. These entities have begun their travel back to the Creator and are no longer experiencing time.


Why are they being so evasive when Don asks for the name of someone?

lol. They wouldn't even call Carla by her name ... she was just "the instrument".

[Meerie]

or maybe they just have goldfish memory and don't remember names
And therefore evade these questions, or name someone "the instrument".
I can relate to that, I often forget names.
ok, end of derailing

[Patrick]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
...

Naming an entity seems to compress the entity so much that its identity becomes nearly lost.

Any entity is SO much more than any names that could be attached to it.

[βαθμιαίος]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Maybe this?

85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

[AnthroHeart]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
...

Naming an entity seems to compress the entity so much that its identity becomes nearly lost.

Any entity is SO much more than any names that could be attached to it.

What do you mean by compress? Speaking the name of an entity puts pressure on them? So is it bad to call on the name of Q'uo for instance? And what did you mean by its identity becomes nearly lost?

[kdsii]

Brilliant quote there.
New friends sometimes get offended with me, becuase they realize that I never asked for their name for a while after meeting.
It doesn't naturally cross my mind, that's all. I identify them by my mental snap-shot of their demeanor/energy/aura presence.

Naming seems pecular to me... It's as if our name contains some piece of our soul that we're attached to. But, it's just a word! A sound vibratory pattern.

A dog doesn't know that it's a dog, or that his name is Buddy.
But, the sound "Buh-Dee" means that his master is close to him, and wants his attention.

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Maybe this?

85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

[Meerie]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Maybe this?

85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

Hmm yes, maybe. I thought this "having power by knowing an entitys name" refers mostly to the real name that each of us has?
not our earthly name?
kdsii, haha, I can relate to that, I usually don't ask for peoples names either, nor do I give my own when someone introduces themselves. Maybe because I forget them anyways.
"What's in a name?" they say.

[βαθμιαίος]

Hmm yes, maybe. I thought this "having power by knowing an entitys name" refers mostly to the real name that each of us has?
not our earthly name?

It could be, but it the second part is still relevant and related to what you and kdsii are saying. ("If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming.")

(Also, Don was asking for the name of their fifth-density "friend" and presumably the name, if given, would have been the true one.)

[Patrick]

What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
...

Naming an entity seems to compress the entity so much that its identity becomes nearly lost.

Any entity is SO much more than any names that could be attached to it.

What do you mean by compress? Speaking the name of an entity puts pressure on them? So is it bad to call on the name of Q'uo for instance? And what did you mean by its identity becomes nearly lost?

I meant that one word could never sum up what or who an entity really is. Have you seen the movie "Dances with wolves" ?

[Etude in B Minor]

I was reading Oahspe again today (slowly working my way through it). I came across a passage that sounds a lot light the "steps of light" that Ra mentions we go through upon Harvest.

About 20% of the way through the book, in chapter 25 the main god of our universe (Fragapatti) comes down to Ipseogee (part of Earth?) to pick up the local god (Hapacha) who has faithfully watched over some mortal types (fallen angels) who have progressed enough to return to the next higher Heaven, Haraiti (there were 60 million from Ipseogee and 10 million from another place, the Zeredho'ans).
These all get put into Fragapatti's "Avalanza" which seems to be some sort of starship, or a ship that can move between the heavens.

Once they get to Haraiti, the god of Haraiti, one Athrava orders that:
(20/25.10): "... And lights shall be lowered at the landing place, to make it acceptable to those newly raised, who are aboard."
(20/25.11): "Athrava said: As for Mouru [a city], within the walls of light it shall be rated seven; but when Fragapatti has ascended the throne, it shall be raised to nine. And in those days, nine, in Haraiti, was fifty percent of the capacity of endurance in the plateau."

(20/25.13): "Ahtrava said: There shall be flights of stairs leading over the walls of Mouru, and they shall be white and illumined on that day, which will be sufficient for dividing the people according to the light suited to them."

[Etude in B Minor]

I found another very interesting parallel to the Ra material in the Oahspe text.

You may recall the Ra description of how the beings from Maldek were caught up in a knot of fear:

10.1
Ra: I am Ra. [...] These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot or tangle of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Approximately 600,000 of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious. This awareness brought them to the point upon what you would call the lower astral planes where they could be nurtured until each mind/body/spirit complex was able finally to be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life/illusion complex.

The following is an excerpt from the Oahspe text (published in 1882, 100 years before the Ra material). It is strikingly similar to the Maldek situation. I have edited this extract for brevity. There is a lot more to it, talking about why the knot was formed in the first place, how the knot was dissolved and the spirits cared for.

20/27.3. The chief marshal said: Swift messengers, who are waiting outside, salute Jehovih's throne, and His God, and ask an audience. Fragapatti said: Where do they come from? And what is the nature of their business?

20/27.4. The marshal said: From the Aoasu'an fields of Howts. Their business concerns the Osivi knots.

[...]
20/27.6. Arieune said: Greeting, in love to you, Fragapatti, and to all your hosts. I hastened here from the fields of Howts, section twelve, on the one‑time plateau and place of Hored, where there are a billion in knot, and have been for many days. I reported this to the Lord God of Jaffeth, Ah'oan, but his forces are all employed, so he sent me here.

20/27.7. Fragapatti said: It is well. You are at liberty! Hoab, can you untie the knot? Hoab said: I have faith to try. To which Fragapatti replied: Athrava will go with you, but you do the labor. Choose, therefore, your hosts from my ethereans, and have a vessel made of sufficient size, so that if you find it advisable to bring them away, you can do so.

[...]
20/27.8. Hoab said: With Jehovih's help I will deliver them. And he saluted, and, with the captain of the files, he withdrew and made his selections, choosing five million in all, of whom half were physicians and nurses.

[...]
20/28.7. Behold, we are near the place. Then Hoab asked: How did you discover a knot in such a wasted country? Arieune answered him:

20/28.8. When Jehovih created woman, He gave to her two chief attributes, curiosity and solicitude for others. So, passing here, surveying the place where the first heavenly kingdom was, I remembered it had been said that Aph left some island places where once a colony in heaven had been built, and I stopped to examine it. A moan and terrible sound greeted me! I heard the Osivi knots, as I had often heard others before.

20/28.9. We landed and made fast, and presently went about searching, led by the sad, sad noise. Then we came to the great mound, the knot, a billion drujas [drujas are spirits who have lost their way and hang about Earth] bound in a heap! Wailing, muffled, moaning as if the whole heap of them were in the throes of death, but could not die!

[...]
20/28.13. Then Hoab stationed another million between the knot and the gateway, and these were stationed in four rows, each two rows facing one another and only two paces apart, so that, in all, there were two passages, each like a walled alleyway. And the other three million Hoab caused to surround the knot on every side. Each and every one of these was provided with a fire lamp, which they held in the right hand. And when all things were thus ready, Hoab commanded the attack to begin. And at once the attackers thrust their fire lamps in the face of the nearest druj, and, seizing them with the other hand, pulled them away. The drujas do not all relinquish their grip in the knot at sight of the lamp, but often require to be nearly burned and stifled with the light before they release their hold. Nor is this a grip of evil, but of fear.

20/28.14. The knot is nothing more nor less than a mass of millions and millions of spirits becoming panic‑stricken and falling upon their chief, or leader, who becomes powerless in their grip, and is quickly rolled up in the midst of the knot.

[...]
20/29.5. Hoab now turned his attention to the hosts of panic‑stricken drujas, who were constantly forming themselves in knots, and yet being as rapidly severed by the ethereans. To Athrava he said: How more helpless a deranged spirit is than a mortal! They float on their own wild thoughts. At one time they fly from us before the wind; at another they run together, or upon us, like molten gum, and we cannot keep them off.

20/29.6. Athrava said: Behold the wisdom of the Father in creating man in a corporeal body! What a glorious anchorage for a young, weak, or deranged spirit! What a home a corporeal body is! How much easier we could manage these crazed ones were they provided thus!

20/29.7. Hoab said: Which shows us the way we must proceed to restore them. Since we cannot create corporeal bodies for them, the Father has given us power to provide them subjectively for the time being.

[...]
then creating subjective bodies for them, to which they bound themselves willingly, and which prevented them from fastening to one another. (This is what drujas call reincarnation in another world.)

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you Etude for that post on the knots. It cleared up some questions I had. I'd like to read more later.

[Parsons]

Bump. Just started looking into this "Oahspe". I think it's conceptually very interesting.

[J.W.]

bump

For those who remember,

For those who are here to help,

Know no fear,

Know thy self,