We Are Here

[Tenet Nosce]

It's a trade-off, we can walk around and use physical senses whereas they are basically in a meditative state at all times, having evolved from trees.

At least that's my understanding of that bit of the Ra material.

So they are basically ents?

[Aaron]

Tenet, thanks for your explanation!

And WOW!! I had completely forgotten about the mention of sub-densities in the material! I stand corrected... Thank you!

[Tenet Nosce]

Let's look at this again:

Now look closely at this quote:

Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

Ra: One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

What do they mean by, "cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density"? Does that mean once 1SD vibrations are no longer available, all are harvested regardless of progress?

[zenmaster]

What do they mean by, "cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density"? Does that mean once 1SD vibrations are no longer available, all are harvested regardless of progress?

It means the catalyst which offers learning opportunities for the lower vibrations (also chakras) will eventually no longer be present. These lower vibrations typically have to due with basic ego development in 3D. After lifetime ends, one that has not sufficiently balanced and integrated those aspects of self offered by the lower vibrations would seek learning elsewhere in order to continue progress.

[Tenet Nosce]

What do they mean by, "cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density"? Does that mean once 1SD vibrations are no longer available, all are harvested regardless of progress?

It means the catalyst which offers learning opportunities for the lower vibrations (also chakras) will eventually no longer be present. These lower vibrations typically have to due with basic ego development in 3D. After lifetime ends, one that has not sufficiently balanced and integrated those aspects of self offered by the lower vibrations would seek learning elsewhere in order to continue progress.

So then, are you saying that "full 4D instreaming" is simultaneous with the ceasing of the lower vibrations?

[zenmaster]

What do they mean by, "cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density"? Does that mean once 1SD vibrations are no longer available, all are harvested regardless of progress?

It means the catalyst which offers learning opportunities for the lower vibrations (also chakras) will eventually no longer be present. These lower vibrations typically have to due with basic ego development in 3D. After lifetime ends, one that has not sufficiently balanced and integrated those aspects of self offered by the lower vibrations would seek learning elsewhere in order to continue progress.

So then, are you saying that "full 4D instreaming" is simultaneous with the ceasing of the lower vibrations?

No. The lower vibrations don't cease. The types of catalyst corresponding with those lower vibrations (i.e SD "1st tier") will eventually not be available. There is increased awareness of interiors (time/space) which can not be acceptable to one which has not individuated enough to recognize self (or self in other self). The "instreaming" naturally fosters a new awareness (i.e. "sharing", "closeness", "familiarity", etc), which would otherwise depend on special circumstances or exceptional polarization. Think of 4D, as a logos principle, developmentally subsuming or transcending, yet including, 3D.

[Tenet Nosce]

No. The lower vibrations don't cease. The types of catalyst corresponding with those lower vibrations (i.e SD "1st tier") will eventually not be available. There is increased awareness of interiors (time/space) which can not be acceptable to one which has not individuated enough to recognize self (or self in other self). The "instreaming" naturally fosters a new awareness (i.e. "sharing", "closeness", "familiarity", etc), which would otherwise depend on special circumstances or exceptional polarization. Think of 4D, as a logos principle, developmentally subsuming or transcending, yet including, 3D.

So basically, the dimension added is the first time/space dimension. We continue to experience the three dimensions of space/time and gain a dimension of linear motion in time/space. Hence the increased awareness of interiors.

[Cyan]

I got a flash of awareness i believe will explain this accetably.

Imagine you are living on a plane.

X and Y

Usually when you move, your movement has 0 Z aspect unless in extremely rare cases.

Once you start learning to use Z, its not tha tyou no longer move in X and Y, its that when ever you move in those directions, you always "wobble" slightly in Z.

Think of it as either your room has direct lines where you can walk, like painted on the floor, or you can jump across the bed to get to the other room.

So. Its not that its not possible, its just that it looks kinda silly if an ascended person tries to get to the other room like a roomba, in straight line and randomly hitting objects.

[zenmaster]

No. The lower vibrations don't cease. The types of catalyst corresponding with those lower vibrations (i.e SD "1st tier") will eventually not be available. There is increased awareness of interiors (time/space) which can not be acceptable to one which has not individuated enough to recognize self (or self in other self). The "instreaming" naturally fosters a new awareness (i.e. "sharing", "closeness", "familiarity", etc), which would otherwise depend on special circumstances or exceptional polarization. Think of 4D, as a logos principle, developmentally subsuming or transcending, yet including, 3D.

So basically, the dimension added is the first time/space dimension. We continue to experience the three dimensions of space/time and gain a dimension of linear motion in time/space. Hence the increased awareness of interiors.

Yes, something like that. It could simply be 1 additional dimension of motion - what was a point or line is now a plane. A "density" is a set of space/time and time/space dimensions. In the Reciprocal System, each density has 3 available dimensions for motion to occur in each sector (i.e. 3 dimensions in a density are used to represent a particle of that density's core vibration). It should be possible to figure out the actual geometry, which "Daniel" probably has already done.

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Think of it as either your room has direct lines where you can walk, like painted on the floor, or you can jump across the bed to get to the other room.

The general analogy seems correct. The body-to-mind mapping is also what allows personal and collective experience to be accessed.

[Tenet Nosce]

Yes, something like that. It could simply be 1 additional dimension of motion - what was a point or line is now a plane. A "density" is a set of space/time and time/space dimensions. In the Reciprocal System, each density has 3 available dimensions for motion to occur in each sector (i.e. 3 dimensions in a density are used to represent a particle of that density's core vibration). It should be possible to figure out the actual geometry, which "Daniel" probably has already done.

So each density has 3 dimensions in each sector, for a total of 6 dimensions per density?

What do you mean by "core vibration"? I see that Ra only mentions this term a single time, in 71.6.

[Cyan]

What do they mean by, "cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density"? Does that mean once 1SD vibrations are no longer available, all are harvested regardless of progress?

It means the catalyst which offers learning opportunities for the lower vibrations (also chakras) will eventually no longer be present. These lower vibrations typically have to due with basic ego development in 3D. After lifetime ends, one that has not sufficiently balanced and integrated those aspects of self offered by the lower vibrations would seek learning elsewhere in order to continue progress.

So then, are you saying that "full 4D instreaming" is simultaneous with the ceasing of the lower vibrations?

No. The lower vibrations don't cease. The types of catalyst corresponding with those lower vibrations (i.e SD "1st tier") will eventually not be available. There is increased awareness of interiors (time/space) which can not be acceptable to one which has not individuated enough to recognize self (or self in other self). The "instreaming" naturally fosters a new awareness (i.e. "sharing", "closeness", "familiarity", etc), which would otherwise depend on special circumstances or exceptional polarization. Think of 4D, as a logos principle, developmentally subsuming or transcending, yet including, 3D.

Thank you for saying "logos principle"

Light
Love
Love/light

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*space should be not written space but code cant accomodate without text space

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Would be symbols up to this (last one is a ascii pyramid with eye on top)

Ayone want the other 3 Not sure i can get them now but i've seen them a few times?

[zenmaster]

So each density has 3 dimensions in each sector, for a total of 6 dimensions per density?

What do you mean by "core vibration"?

Yes, 6 dimensional. The densities are not stratified, they're embedded with the higher 'containing' or being able to accomodate the lower. Core vibration meaning the base vibration from which particles or energy vibrate.

[Tenet Nosce]

There is also 62.29 where Ra is responding to Don's query in which he used the term "core vibration."

You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.

First question- Ra says here (in 1981) that the "green color vibratory locus" i.e. 4D earth will be completed soon. Yet you are saying that this completion will not occur for another 700-ish years from now. How do you reconcile this view with the actual quote here?

Second question- It looks to me that Ra says here that the 3D and 4D spheres do not coexist. There is no mention of a 3D/4D hybrid sphere or a "transitional period" between the two. Where in the material are you finding the idea of a 3D/4D hybrid sphere?

[zenmaster]

First question- Ra says here (in 1981) that the "green color vibratory locus" i.e. 4D earth will be completed soon. Yet you are saying that this completion will not occur for another 700-ish years from now. How do you reconcile this view with the actual quote here?

I (and Ra) am saying the transition will not be completed for another 100-700 years. Yet again you are confusing vibration, which provides the "matrix" for both body and mind to form with the developing body and mind.

Second question- It looks to me that Ra says here that the 3D and 4D spheres do not coexist. There is no mention of a 3D/4D hybrid sphere or a "transitional period" between the two. Where in the material are you finding the idea of a 3D/4D hybrid sphere?

It's plain common sense. The first part of that transitional period is the time when both 4D and 3D mind and body can and do indeed coexist.

[Tenet Nosce]

I (and Ra) am saying the transition will not be completed for another 100-700 years. Yet again you are confusing vibration, which provides the "matrix" for both body and mind to form with the developing body and mind.

So when Ra says "soon" we should interpret that as "sometime within the next millenium"?

[Cyan]

Yes. Furthest I can project humankinds biological developement is about 700ish years from now at most unless we die off and revert to a early 3rd D earth.

Give us this level of maintained growth over 700 years and we have inhabited everything everywhere at anytime if we want to and any kind of 3d life loses meaning for all participants anyway.

[Meerie]

I (and Ra) am saying the transition will not be completed for another 100-700 years. Yet again you are confusing vibration, which provides the "matrix" for both body and mind to form with the developing body and mind.

So when Ra says "soon" we should interpret that as "sometime within the next millenium"?

They said themselves they have difficulty with our time/space:

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

[zenmaster]

I (and Ra) am saying the transition will not be completed for another 100-700 years. Yet again you are confusing vibration, which provides the "matrix" for both body and mind to form with the developing body and mind.

So when Ra says "soon" we should interpret that as "sometime within the next millenium"?

Yes, but probably not before several generations.

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I (and Ra) am saying the transition will not be completed for another 100-700 years. Yet again you are confusing vibration, which provides the "matrix" for both body and mind to form with the developing body and mind.

So when Ra says "soon" we should interpret that as "sometime within the next millenium"?

They said themselves they have difficulty with our time/space:

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

*We're not talking about harvest*.

[Meerie]

I know you are not talking about harvest. But I guess Ra's statement of having difficulty with our time-space was in general so I thought it might fit in here.