has the Harvest FAILED?!

[untilbeyond]

I'm suggesting that everyone in this community already had an abundance of planetary experience prior to migrating to this planet.

I'm suggesting that we're all wanderers here, except why are we sticking that term? I'm suggesting the term 'humanoid.'

Harvest is mostly a big deal for people who've
never graduated from third density. That doesn't apply to us.

Another consideration: Service to Others.

Within serving others there are four sub-domains:

Helping other humanoids

Helping humans who have polarized positive
Helping humans who have polarized negative
Helping humans who have not polarized

I enjoy helping humanoids get activated. The real work, however, is helping the negatives
polarize all the way to 95% negative. That's why Lennon had to die in Dec. of '80. Had he lived
longer, Bush Jr., wouldn't have won in 2000. We needed Bush to win.... we needed 9/11.... we needed
the war on terror, just like we needed the cold war. These anti-conscious pursuits facilitate the negative
harvest.

If the negatives don't get a decent harvest, it's a problem for positives. So that's my main point that's
never come up to my awareness in Ra/loO discussions. Serving others includes serving people who've
polarized 85% negative... all the way to 95%. The only ones we can assume have gone that far in recent
decades is Dr. Kissenger, who is not a psychopath. And Dick Cheney, who is not a psychopath.

Most of the hardened criminals are psychopaths and sociopaths. People like Charles Manson are very negative...
If you were an HD negative big shot, would you want his soul essence on your team. So much of this system is
enigmatic. It's nowhere close to being cohesive. I've enjoyed it until recently. A major update is needed.

[untilbeyond]

The 50% figure was referring to the channeling accuracy. The bible has a lot of gems, and I assume it be 50% distortion. We get more value from the requirement of discernment than we would from a book that is 100% trust-worthy.

If there was an answer book that could answer all our questions, we'd really be in deep trouble. Religion is a world of answers. Development of consciousness occurs within the space of questioning everything always.

I did finally have to invent my own personal religion to cross-train myself
in relation to enigmas and conundrums.

It's like pulling and pushing from the level of being.

Pulling is where it's at. And a small trickle of push is then powerful.

What a blessing that we have the harvest goof!

Now people will take everything in Ra Material with a grain of salt.

A perfect book would've been catastrophic in relation to the development of consciousness. And yet I observe wanderers quoting Ra the way fundamentalists quote the bible. It's a good thing we're cute. Cause we aint smart.

[xise]

If the negatives don't get a decent harvest, it's a problem for positives. So that's my main point that's
never come up to my awareness in Ra/loO discussions.

There are no problems my friend. If this planet's harvest was completely negative, that would be ok too. If this planet's harvest was completely positive, that would be ok, and would feel wonderful for me personally since I am positive. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with a mixed harvest. There are no problems to solve in external reality my friend. For those positively polarizing, external catalysts involving "one's vision of the world" may be operated upon internally (acceptance), or externally (manifesting a change in physical reality), or both. Those on the negative path, external catalysts involving "one's vision of the world" become something to solve primarily in external reality, and thus things "must" change in the world.

And you are correct in that everything, Ra, or otherwise, should be taken with a grain of salt, that salt being the resonance of your heart. Not all of Ra is 100% resonance for me (for example, in particular the way in which homosexuality is described - I think something is missing in that information).

That being said, here is something directly on point of positives serving negatives as paradoxical as negatives want your free will - thus you can only serve them by depolarizing from being positive - this Ra portion resonates with me heavily:

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of when the— what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.
...

67.10 ▶ Questioner: We have a paradoxical situation in that in order to fully serve the Creator at this level in the polarized section, you might say, of the Creation, we have requests, from those whom we serve in this density, for Ra’s information. In fact, I just had one by telephone a short while ago. However, we have requests from, in this particular case, another density not to disseminate this information. We have the Creator, in fact, requesting two seemingly opposite activities of this group. It would be very helpful if we could reach a condition of full, total, complete service in such a way that we were by every thought and activity serving the Creator to the very best of our ability. Is it possible for you to solve, or possible for the fifth-density entity who offers its service to solve, the paradox that I have observed?

Ra: I am Ra. It is quite possible.

67.11 ▶ Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly of the Creator, rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

...

87.6 Questioner: Would you expand upon the concept of the acquisition of polarity by this particular entity, its use, specifically, of this polarity other than the simple, obvious need for sixth-density harvest if this is possible, please?

Ra: I am Ra. We would. The nature of the densities above your own is that a purpose may be said to be shared by both positive and negative polarities. This purpose is the acquisition of the ability to welcome more and more the less and less distorted love/light and light/love of the One Infinite Creator. Upon the negative path the wisdom density is one in which power over others has been refined until it is approaching absolute power. Any force such as the force your group and those of Ra offer which cannot be controlled by the power of such a negative fifth-density mind/body/spirit complex then depolarizes the entity which has not controlled other-selves.

It is not within your conscious selves to stand against such refined power but rather it has been through the harmony, the mutual love, and the honest calling for aid from the forces of light which have given you the shield and buckler.

[untilbeyond]

Thank you Xise for the rich and thoughtful reply.

I really appreciate feedback like this. I think you catch my drift that we (the positives as a whole) allow certain things to happen to allow the
anti-conscious infra-structure to be sustained.

After two decades of Ra assimilation, I have shifted somewhat from the
STO/STS paradigm, to a simpler and to me, more elegant dichotomy, which becomes three-fold. Conscious, unconscious and anti-conscious.

Anti-conscious intentions probably started at about the same time that conscious intentions started somewhere around the time of initial individuation.

We're positives. We seek development of consciousness.

The other team seeks to go against consciousness.


For what purpose?

Same as any other polarization. The play and display of the universe
requires polarization. The anti-conscious forces present us with challenge which we use for our growth and development. That's a vital
function, so it's built into nature.


I have come to see humanity on this planet as 58% human and 40% humanoid and 2% "other." We all look similar. Our beings can be broken down into categories.

If you live in the city, you will know which neighborhoods will have a cafe or shop where each and every person in that environment is humanoid.

Then if you ever go to a store in a small town in a culturally backwards area, you can walk into a store and instantly feel that you are the only
humanoid in that environment.


It's not just a different psychological profile. It's not just a different chakra structure or way of spinning chakras, or the very sharp contrast in auric fields. The actual beingness of a human which this community classifies as non-wanderder, and I prefer the term human since they're the majority, is a different quality of beingness than what we experience.

Ra has an explanation for this. Because we occupy space/time and time/space our ontological make-up is fundamentally different than
those without the instinctual tendency to seek an internal interface
and if possible some level of convergence with the knowing that's inherent within our being and our multi-dimensional nature.

The non-humanoids, which I call humans, and Ra calls non-wanderers,
are being quickened by having very close inter-personal relations
with humanoids. They're also being preserved, as it's certainty that
they would've self-destructed without us. Without us, their status is limited to easy pickings, period. Clearly, some crazy (hindsight is 20:20)
wanderers objected to the extreme level of abuse and non-sovereignty
and began a process at least 30,000 years ago that has escalated continuously ever since. Or maybe it wasn't crazy. Maybe all of that
very hard work is starting to pan out. Clearly, there has to be some humans that have surrendered one way or another, enough to ready for something new and different. I find that a high percentage of humans
are incapable of consciousness outside of the dominion of falsely identifying with body, situations, partner, money, etc. Clint Eastwood has shown an aptitude for awareness beyond ego. I can't think of another human who transcends ego as a force of habit. I do notice them flirting with the concept. A lot of them really love golf and find golf to be a spiritual high. And they aspire to improving their game, and so they are forced to examine their bad habits, and overcome them. You see them pursuing self-development along these lines.


Yet the humans can very easily be duped by anti-conscious forces and personalities. It's too easy..... it's nothing but low-hanging fruit for the
beings who seek the development and expansion of anti-conscious structures to promote enslavement.


Humanoids did not wander to this reality. We were invited by friends who
had already come here, and were requesting our assistance. Maybe the first few hundred humanoids to join humans literally wandered. Since then, we've been called, don't you think? Or in some cases we were travelers and in the process of exploring this galaxy we found this planet, and upon taking a closer look and communicating with regional deities we continued to learn about it and gradually formed agreements on the spirit planes to incarnate here.

I think the attraction to the word wanderer is associated with the idea that we've strayed away from our comfort zone. It's got some coloration
and judgment to it. Humanoid as a word has less coloration and less judgement. It also functions as a descriptive word that would include our status when we're back on our home density. If you call yourself a wanderer, then what are you when you're at home and not wandering?
Do you see my point?

I started my cycle on this planet near the end of Atlantis. I saw that humanoids were coming to chip in, and then getting quickly falling into unconscious states and buying into anti-conscious bullshit.

That was my pull. Watching humanoids fall hard presses my buttons and invokes my desire to pitch in. Then I fall hard, and start begging my HD
buddies for assistance. They've come because they love me and I begged them. None of them wandered!

Over time, I've cultivated a dislike for most humans, only because the constant preference for the unconscious and anti-conscious tendencies
gives me great fatigue. Off the top of my head, I can think of two humans that inspire me: Clint Eastwood and Michael Jordon.

After that, I draw a blank. All of my heros, and all those who I admire most in the arts, sciences, business and philosophy are humanoid.

All the experts in the UFO community have made it clear that there is something exceptional about this planet that attracts a lot of attention from extra-terrestrials from around the galaxy. However, the only way
they ever pinpoint it is the typical references to the simultaneity of the age-change, the root-race change, and the density shift. What if the curiosity also pertained to how unusual it is to have more than two billion
humanoid/wanderers embodied on a single planet in third density?

Doesn't it seem probable that is highly unusual?


I don't think it's natural for humans (what y'all refer to as non-wanderers)
to polarize all the way to 95% negative. And the extreme measures taken by the forces against consciousness (what y'all call STS) have made it particularly unnatural for them to come up devoting 51% of their
selves to serving others unless it's friends and family or at least community, which is essentially an extension of self. Some will seek to serve others by pushing their religious belief system on far-away communities.... like save-the-children programs that feed starving children to help them live and also help them convert to Jesus as their personal savior. The very concept of serving has so many grey areas if you're needing to make a distinction between positive and negative serving. I'm to the point where I find it unpractical to obsess on the distinction.

Here's a much simpler set of distinctions:

Conscious
Unconscious
Anti-conscious (represents a preference to go against consciousness)

My bottom line?

As humanoid/wanderers the service to this or that, self or others, is not
a distinction that is relevant to us personally. We graduated to fourth density prior to starting a cycle on this planet. And getting humans to polarize one way or the other has reached a mexican stand-off. For them, 51% positive is ridiculous as is 95% negative.

Also: Our main thrust is helping humanoids get activated. I own a wellness center that features affordable high-end bodywork. 99% of our regulars are humanoid. Humans will try us out and then figure out why we're not for them, or simply not feel drawn to returning. I can think of
one human who is a regular out of several hundred.

When I try to be helpful to a human (what y'all call non-wanderers) it's like trying to drive down a dead end street. It's difficult for me to validate their points of view even without any verbal communication, we already have that clash on a vibration level, so they will resist me since I find it difficult to fully collapse into their points of view. It's just not a fun dance. They can most effectively be coached by other humans (which y'all refer to as non-wanderers.) I will acknowledge that coaching humans is not my specialty, and I find that those who do a good job of coaching humans then make the mistake of treating humanoids like humans. Think of any book where the author required ten pages to communicate something that could be communicated to an activated humanoid in few sentences. It's unrealistic to be great at both, unless we're in the performing arts. The Matrix hit the sweet spot here. It had
had mass appeal that succeeded in entertaining humans and humanoids.
The Beatles also did this brilliantly.


As a sub-culture within the 2.5 billion humanoids, this (Bring 4th) community is microscopic. My hope is the the lo0 body of information can be distilled and simplified into one single book that can be assimilated by at least 100 million of the 2.5 billion humanoids. As it is, it's very far from being ready for prime time.

Instead of the word harvest, we could adapt the word graduation, and use the metaphor of finishing high-school and having numerous choices
associated with that rite of passage. What we've done is analogous to going back to high-school after graduating college. And pretending like we never went to college.

This stuff will never be mainstream. I know that. However, it could
be converted into a linguistic and conceptual format that would go down
easier with the typical non-activated humanoid/wanderer.

Bare in mind, I'm 54 and my entire life has been devoted to applied philosophy for the purpose of developing conceptual art. Ra Material
has percolated in my background thoughts for 19 years. So I'm at the
stage of wishing to disseminate the paradigm.... and my criteria for proceeding pertains to the consideration of accessibility and refinement.

Do any of you share in this interest?

-Michael

Btw, are any of you professional musicians or composers? I am looking for psychic composers to help me launch an entertainment R&D firm that
will promote galactic shamanism through the performing arts. I'm currently working with an imaginary team (that could be more than imaginary) to develop a hip-hop opera set in 2033 that time travels
back 300 years to examine the power of humanoids going through the
various initiations associated with the Atlantic slave trade. My intention
for this opera is for it to have a cultural impact similar to Tommy, Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar 40+ years ago.

I gave up on being a pro musician in my 20s. I had no idea that I have high-functioning autism, so I had no way to establish confidence given the awareness of that I could not do. I didn't discover my autism until age 49. Now, I've come to realize that I chose autism as a way to increase the odds of getting properly activated into my nature as a galactic shaman.

I define my autism as a block between myself and myself. I have a very thin mix of my own being in my personal space with and around my physical being. A very large portion of myself was held back on 4D, where I attempt to guide my 3D expression. By sequestering such a large portion of myself on 4D, I created a way for a whole bunch of me to not collapse into unconscious patterns. I also set up a situation that would make it impossible to be arrogant. I sucked at way too many things to ever be arrogant.

When I journey into my 4D perspective, it's a domain where math, poetry and scripture are unified, and the only question is how to merge all of that with song and dance.

All I have to do is use my telepathy to hook up with my 4D consciousness, and I also strive stereo consciousness with a band-mate
who I perform with on a higher plane. Together, they figure everything
out, and the only job for my 3D beingness is to recieve and then transmit.

I'm currently writing an e-book called 'Hold this vision.' In it, I explain my aspirations about codifying galactic shamanism through existing entertainment mediums of stage, film, theme parks, etc.

My e-book will be released by Labor Day. It goes to the editor on June 1st. If any of you are involved in similar projects, let's network.

Thanks for plowing through such a long post.... -M

[AnthroHeart]

Instead of the word harvest, we could adapt the word graduation, and use the metaphor of finishing high-school and having numerous choices
associated with that rite of passage. What we've done is analogous to going back to high-school after graduating college. And pretending like we never went to college.

This part stood out for me the most. Yeah, I've forgotten a lot to come here to Earth at this time. I hope the journey is all worth it in the end.

[Plenum]

yes, very interesting post untilbeyond.

I concur with your 'moving beyond polarity' theme.

what I have noticed is this:

that those who make the most fuss about 'positive polarity', and vocalise most about it tend to have ongoing heart chakra blockages. In a way, the projection or vocalising of their views on polarity is indicative of ongoing blockages.

worded another way:

those who have cleared the heart centre totally will be viewing all things with a compassionate, understanding, and accepting eye. From that viewpoint, there is no 'polarity' anymore, only single minded service to everyone; and that 'everyone' is quite literal; it doesn't make distinctions as to others' current development or whatever path they happen to be on. They don't view the world in positive or negative, even though they may have the acute ability to discern certain patterns or trends (attribute of wisdom) in others to help them better to serve.

The fully cleared heart no longer makes distinctions between us 'good guys' and them 'bad guys'. It is no longer playing for a 'team'.

it has, essentially, removed the component of judging others for their actions.

[Charles]

untilbeyod says:

For what purpose?

Same as any other polarization. The play and display of the universe requires polarization. The anti-conscious forces present us with challenge which we use for our growth and development. That's a vital function, so it's built into nature.

I think that the play and display of third dimension life requires polarization. This dichotomy is necessary to supply 3D souls with a choice to make. This duality presents 3D souls with challenge which they may use for their growth and development. That's a vital function, so it's built into 3D frequency.

Our universe is way bigger than this planet. Our purpose as wanderers/humanoids, is to love and accept 3D souls, and to spread this love light around.

Our universe, as we humanoids know well, is loving and joyful. Our soul growth involves the understanding of our unity with THAT ONE who is all things and no thing simultaneously. I believe that this is true right now, as the future has already happened, and is happening now, and will happen eventually.

Our soul growth as wanderers/humanoids continues. We need to ascend upwards towards 6th and 7th and 8th and 9th dimensions. We still have learning to do, but the learning from polarization has been done, and is behind us.

We, having decided to be here on this planet now, ought to become a part of that polarized dichotomy, and give 3D souls yet another choice to make.

They may choose to join us.
The Harvest / Graduation / Ascension / Transition / Soul Growth Opportunity is still happening and has Not Failed.

[AnthroHeart]

The Harvest / Graduation / Ascension / Transition / Soul Growth Opportunity is still happening and has Not Failed.

These are encouraging words. Thank you for posting. I believe Earth has made it to 4D, and we're just catching up. I also love what you said about the Universe being loving and joyful.

[untilbeyond]

Strong synthesis! Thank you. -Michael

Individually we each create our own lives, but as a massive group we need agreement to create our world.

Some of us expected SOMETHING wonderful Dec.21,2012 . . . Something as simple as all weaponry no longer working; Or clean and bountiful water freely available for all people; Or clean air to breathe all over the planet . . . . Something Was Expected.

Some of us expected SOMETHING horrible Dec.21,2012 . . . Something as simple as earthquakes and tsunamis; Or new and painful diseases causing a massive number of torturous deaths all over the planet; Or total apocalypse . . . . Something Was Expected.

Some of us, the Mass Communal Mind of most of us, expected absolutely nothing. The massive group mind won.

I believe the window remains open. "Time" isn't real, so it seems to me that this transformation will be one soul at a time.

One soul here . . one soul there . . radiating a peaceful joy, loving and allowing others to be as they are with balanced patience, lightening up each room they enter . . . . And slowly, surely, spreading this light around. Teaching by example, or with words, that love, and joy, and human unity, is achievable and fun.

One soul becomes thousands, becomes millions, becomes billions . . . . Becomes The Mass Communal Mind of most of us . . . . Becomes Massive Harvest.

Meanwhile the Mass Majority 3D Human Mindset is: We are each separate individuals. Our bodies deteriorate as we grow older. The boss must be obeyed. The very wealthy are to be respected. Heavy weaponry keeps you safe. Only my religion is correct, all others go to hell. You get the idea.

We have our work cut out for us.

We also know that the Illuminati own the world financially, and own each government, and are well versed in black magic. They own (among other things) the MSM which exerts powerful mind control. They know what they are doing.

Light is power. Darkness is the absence of Light. We also know what we are doing, we are spreading Light.

So long as we know that we are very powerful beings, and that our minds manifest . . . We should also know that we cannot afford negative thinking. It effects our personal lives, it effects humanities future, and it effects our planets health.

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Thanks plenum. Did you catch the part about how I've all but given up on the prospects of facilitating humans? ( my term for the 60% of the population Ra would call non-wanderers) The prospect of helping humanoids (Ra calls wanderers) is too rich, and too easy to get traction where facilitating humans feels hopeless since the HD negatives have won them over to the level of 75% selfish. It's no contest. Helping humanoids activate is the most effective way to upgrade the planet.

For humans who've yet to polarize:
95% selfish is absurd. Very few are drawn to that, just as very few can go to 51% selfless. So I'm referencing the metaphor of Mexican stand-off.

What's become amazing about this planet is the very high number of non-activated humanoids. It's above two billion. All we have to do is activate ourselves. Two billion conscious humanoids will be a sight for sore eyes.

Then the humans can finally start to become slightly conscious. Right now, finding a conscious human is like trying to find a a dog that can
explain calculus. We are still extremely far from the possibility of a human entertaining real consciousness, although Clint Eastwood could be an exception. The humans I encounter cannot entertain consciousness outside their egos. They are 100% unconscious and usually willing to go along with anti-conscious agendas.

That's why the Beatles were childhood heroes. Speilberg and other cultural icons do get through to humans in the field of performing arts.
I am now aiming for the entertainment field and while my target audience
is humanoid, I am not willing to completely dismiss humans. As an eccentric conceptual artist I might be able to win over some humans, because that's what the Lennon/McCartney and Dylan accomplished.

[xise]

Of those humans that are non-activated: to those entities that wish to sleep, we can offer the comforts of sleeping. But to offer the comforts of sleeping is a service in and of itself. I think it's sometimes easy to forgot that those who don't want/aren't ready to make a choice about polarity, we do them a service by simply aiding their sleep, aiding their sleep with love in our heart.

89.29 Questioner: What was the attitude prior to harvest of those harvestable entities of Ra with respect to those who were obviously unharvestable?

Ra: I am Ra. Those of us which had the gift of polarity felt deep compassion for those who seemed to dwell in darkness. This description is most apt as ours was a harshly bright planet in the physical sense. There was every attempt made to reach out with whatever seemed to be needed. However, those upon the positive path have the comfort of companions and we of Ra spent a great deal of our attention upon the possibilities of achieving spiritual or metaphysical adepthood, or work in indigo ray, through the means of relationships with other-selves. Consequently, the compassion for those in darkness was balanced by the appreciation of the light.

89.30 Questioner: Would Ra have the same attitude toward the unharvestable entities or would it be different at this nexus than at the time of harvest from the third density?

Ra: I am Ra. Not substantially. To those who wish to sleep we could only offer those comforts designed for the sleeping. Service is only possible to the extent it is requested. We were ready to serve in whatever way we could. This still seems satisfactory as a means of dealing with other-selves in third density. It is our feeling that to be each entity which one attempts to serve is to simplify the grasp of what service is necessary or possible.

Key to this attitude is an open heart. You love those positive, those negative, and those unawakened. Every consciousness, in its own way, is completely beautiful. We are here to open doors for those who are ready to learn the ways of service, and to be of service to others. For those who do not want the doors open, it is of service to comfort them in their sleep. And is it not so -for is not time an illusion?

[untilbeyond]

"You love those positive, those negative, and those unawakened. Every consciousness, in its own way, is completely beautiful."


Given the history of abuse from anti-conscious folk, just getting to a place of forgiveness has been an accomplishment. Being a saint is the next step.

I find it easy to like myself around conscious people. Around unconscious and anti-conscious folk, I see my own shadow reflected and then I notice
myself shrinking. It's not fun, and yet I suppose I am learning how to like it. There's a mutual unconscious need to invalidate each other, so that
clearly represents potential for upgrade. If you think about it, tolerance is a very high vibration. Always more opportunity to embrace tolerance.

We should be able to agree about disagreeing without having to also lose any positive energy/attitude/etc.

[xise]

It's not as much about sainthood man, as it is about living and vibrating green ray in the moment.

Forgiveness, as well as acceptance (tolerance), are both very green ray concepts. Working on those concepts will empower the green in all of us.

[untilbeyond]

Thank you, Xise.... you give good Ra. -Michael
(I'm a bodyworker in Chicago.)

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It's not as much about sainthood man, as it is about living and vibrating green ray in the moment.

[xise]

So since we're on the topic, a big issue (for me, relatively speaking) is being judgmental. I see this as a problem because the type of judgment I speak of is the opposite of love.

At this present stage, I don't feel I am judgmental of any polarity, nor those sleeping. I've gotten a ton better at letting go of judging many things.

However, I seem to have great difficulty with those who are awakened, and come to me for advice/guidance, and agree with me the concepts to practice...And then repeatedly, in front of me, go about life ignoring the concepts....drives me crazy...I get sooo judgmental when that happens...it's interrelated to my sense of perfectionism I think.

That situation happened earlier today. I was annoyed because this was like the tenth time the person was purposely pushing a point trying to be "right" in a conversation (about art too lol..I was trying to leave at everyone has different opinions!!). The subject matter of which those being "right" conversations are probably something to avoid as it seems to involve ego/superiority, to which this person had previously repeatedly agreed.

I lost it (for me, which shows up as annoyance usually), and basically told the person how they are failing to apply those concepts we talked about, but I said it not with an open heart, cause I was pretty annoyed.. the person tells me that I'm too judgmental (of course the person knows my issues because when someone has a spiritual discussion to me, I like to tell my own issues as examples but is also true!)....sigh!

I need to work on my acceptance...I probably should have brought in crown energy and released energy through my feet to calm my annoyance..I think I posted about this in another thread a few months/weeks ago...basically when someone comes to you for spiritual advice repeatedly, agrees with the advice, then ignores it, all the while doing something to upsets you ("right" conversations), man that s*** is some catalyst for real..:/

[GentleReckoning]

Sounds like you're getting exactly what you need xise.

Just because someone is 'awakened' does not suddenly equip them with all that they need to rapidly take care of their lessons. It's possible this person as significant issues dealing with acceptance of self and needs the 'ego-boost' that winning an argument provides. Just allow them to be right as (hopefully) it matters more for them than for you.

[Hototo]

I've found that Awakening has little to no direct correlation and it may indeed have a slight negative correlation. Working with other selves is much more difficult if you know they don't really exist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdEdE96En0 This is working with self without veil in terms of how weird things can get compared to working with self with veil.

[reeay]

Just your loving presence and helping friend to deepen understanding of his/her own issue may help friend to find own answers.

Same thing with self - being fully present with own frustrations and deepening understanding of own issue may lead to acceptance.

[Wai]

... basically when someone comes to you for spiritual advice repeatedly, agrees with the advice, then ignores it, all the while doing something to upsets you ("right" conversations), man that s*** is some catalyst for real..:/

This is so true.

This has occurred many times whenever I teach, and not only in spiritual matters. I will get so frustrated when I have to keep repeating the same point and yet the student never learns and continues to repeat the same mistake.

Worse, after a while I started believing that I am be a horrible teacher. Until a Buddhist lama told me that everyone has his own timing in learning, and that a person will not learn until he is ready to learn.

And then it hit me, that this is an opportunity (catalyst) for me to learn patience, tolerance, humility, compassion, instead of getting all upset and angry.

[droppen]

The ascension to 4th density as prophesied has indeed failed. I know, because I was the one. I can tell you how it felt like, to have thousands of people to link through me. There were mostly americans and finns. I was extreamly intelligent, because I had thousands of people giving me collective advice on what to say, and I could talk from the bottom of my heart, and touch people in their heart like I've never seen anyone touch before, but most of all, I loved the dream body I had, very vivid dreams, very clear, and I could remember everything. It was extatic!

Too bad it had to end so soon..

[Hototo]

Far as I can tell the harvest itself takes roughly 700 years, first people have already been to 4th but it is difficult to hold until the end of the 700 year transition.

40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

13.22 Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

13.23 Questioner: How does a third-density planet become a fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.

The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with the present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

63.21 Questioner: Now, are there any inhabitants at this time of this fourth-density sphere who have already gone through this process. Is it now being populated?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in the very, shall we say, recent past.

63.20 ▶ Questioner: OK. Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

63.21 ▶ Questioner: Now, are there any inhabitants at this time of this fourth-density sphere who have already gone through this process. Is it now being populated?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in the very, shall we say, recent past.

63.22 ▶ Questioner: I would assume this population is from other planets since the harvesting has not occurred yet on this planet. It is from planets where the harvesting has already occurred. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

63.23 ▶ Questioner: Then are these entities visible to us? Could I see one of them? Would he walk upon our surface?
Ra: I am Ra. We have discussed this. These entities are in dual bodies at this time.

63.24 ▶ Questioner: Sorry I am so stupid on this, but this particular concept is very difficult for me to understand. It is something that I’m afraid requires some rather dumb questions on my part to fully understand. I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand, but [inaudible] even get a grasp of it.

Then as the fourth-density sphere is activated there is heat energy being generated. I assume this heat energy is generated in the third-density sphere only. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct. The experiential distortions of each dimension are discrete.

63.25 ▶ Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?
Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

While the info about most 4th D folks on our 4th D plane being aliens maybe grossly out of date the general concept of how it is populated and how the change occurs does indeed match to present day. So, harvest has not failed, we are simply not running as fast as possible towards the end goal but rather, stopping to smell the flowers along the way. I prefer it this way.

14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now, at this time, to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions towards longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

14.15 Questioner: Going back to the start of this 75,000-year period, there was the harvesting 25,000 years after the start, which would make it 50,000 years ago, I would assume. Can you tell me how many were harvested from our planet at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest was none.

14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago? Was there a harvest then?
Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, were those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities which now were to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity. (this maybe the relevant part you are looking for as to explaining how to do what you did and how to get back from what you did)

14.17 Questioner: Then the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who could have been harvested to the fourth density remained here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Thus, there was no harvest, but there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into fourth dimension.

14.18 Questioner: Then for the last 2,300 years you have been actively working to create as large a harvest as possible at the end of the total 75,000-year cycle. Can you state with respect to the Law of One why you do this, just as a statement of your reasons for this?
Ra: I am Ra. I speak for the social memory complex termed Ra. We came among you to aid you. Our efforts in service were perverted. Our desire then is to eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information and guidance. The general cause of service such as the Confederation offers is that of the primal distortion of the Law of One, which is service. The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering? No. There is no ignoring a call. We, the entities of sorrow, choose as our service the attempt to heal the sorrow which we are calling analogous to the pains of a physical body complex distortion.

What is this elusive freedom we so yearn for that is away from the lives we have chosen to lead:

[native]

This has occurred many times whenever I teach, and not only in spiritual matters. I will get so frustrated when I have to keep repeating the same point and yet the student never learns and continues to repeat the same mistake.

I've found that when someone is making the same mistake over and over, it's because you're attempting to guide too much while ignoring your own reflection/catalyst. If true healing is radiance of self, causing a recognition of self by self, that means at a minimum there rests a responsibility on the so-called healer to see your own reflection within the other. When this is done I've found that the other begins to make changes.

Ra describes healers as being able to not only feel blockages, but literally see them. There are few among us working at that level, and I imagine it's because we have yet to fully balance ourselves. Which means that while we have the tendency guide others, there is still an immense amount of learn/teaching available on our part.

Ra elaborating on viewing energy centers in others.."This description may be seen to be both unbalanced and in perfect balance. The latter understanding is extremely helpful in dealing with other-selves."

"As the entity which you are allows its being to empathize with another being, so then it may choose to share with the other-self those energies which may be salubrious to the other-self. The mechanism of these energy transfers is the thought or, more precisely, the thought-form for any thought is a form or symbol or thing that is an object seen in time/space reference."

To me it seems that this emphasizes the nature of healing as simply offering an opportunity, or something that the other opens itself up to. As it is now, healing is viewed as one person being right, the other wrong. So we approach healing as something that is forced upon the other.."These are the changes that you need to make."..without first acknowledging their perfection. So what I'm saying is that if we first see ourselves in another, we clear all our centers and whatever appropriate transfer is necessary will then take place.

[untilbeyond]

Too bad it had to end so soon..
[/quote]

That's a great lucid dream. Could it be that you were accessing
a subconscious download from the future?

Since the mid-nineties, more than 50% of my subconscious content represents future awareness sent backwards during sleep and dreaming.

Also, this board consists primarily of wanderers/humanoids. Soul memory of 4D is accessible during dreaming, and probably filtered upon waking.

One thing that's unclear: for non-wanderers who've made it to 45% positive orientation, are they still candidates for harvest, even though
we've moved into the new cycle?

Also, I assume that the positive hierarchy could've prevented 9/11. That it was allowed, this indicated that trauma such as this and all the recent wars has the net effect of increasing harvest ratios, probably for both negative and positive sides. I get the impression that intelligent infinity has some type of mandate or bogey for how much negative harvesting is needed to maintain balance and learning opportunities on higher densities. So many of the extremely negative people are psychopaths.

Then you have some masterful negatives such as Dr. Kissinger, who cannot be classified as psychopath. His ability to negotiate negates
that possibility. Whenever there's a reference to quickening everything with more extreme behaviours, I wonder how much of that has to do with
an agenda from on high, to improve the negative harvest.

Also, the whole consideration is confused by the possibility that people with a negative orientation will be sufficiently intelligent to realize that HD positive is more enjoyable than HD negative. So they might choose more positive behaviour out of the expectation that what goes around comes around. There are so many people who would love to be negative if only they could be certain that there would be no difficult consequence. And their prime motive for positive behaviour is their desire for positive feedback.

I wonder if it's possible to go all the way to 95% negative while maintaining the appearance of being more than 51% positive.

And then, if we've already cycled HD plus and minus, and primarily here to assist others, the entire consideration of self vs. others has a different feel.

Clearly, a huge amount of people would jump at the opportunity to be more service-to-others, given the means. Maybe that was part of the function of the financial tyranny: to prevent positive people from being more positive. Fortunately, we at least have inner work, and the opportunity to say no to mindless TV and other media bullshit.

[AnthroHeart]

I get the impression that intelligent infinity has some type of mandate or bogey for how much negative harvesting is needed to maintain balance and learning opportunities on higher densities. So many of the extremely negative people are psychopaths.

Here Q'uo says "ever-increasing pleasure and agony of the Creator"
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1214.aspx

Creator experiences what everything and everyone experiences, so I can't understand how Creator can tolerate or be able to handle the worst of what's in Creation. It amazes me that Creator allowed negative things to happen to it, and continues to experience increasing agony.

Harvestability is whether we can handle a certain intensity of Creator's light. I think we sometimes get too much into the semantics of 50% requirement for harvestability.

I also agree with what you said about "Clearly, a huge amount of people would jump at the opportunity to be more service-to-others, given the means." I subscribe to that philosophy. But if we do that just to get harvested positive, does that make it selfish? I think there is more than meets the eye to this STO and STS stuff. If we try to live a good life, and don't hurt others, I don't see why we can't handle a good amount of creator's light. The only thing that might prevent it is self worth. If we don't feel worthy when presented with perhaps a trillion times the amount of love we feel on Earth, that might be the threshold we have to cross. Ra says that crossing that threshold isn't easy from what I recall.

Oh well, it's hard to know what to believe in. My therapist says that all these thoughts of grandeur are my mental condition. I am inventing these to justify my past experience.

[untilbeyond]

Gemini Wolf:
" it's hard to know what to believe in"

Here's a quote from Werner Erhard:

"Even the truth, when believed in, becomes a lie.
The truth is something to experience."

The Law of One, as a belief system, becomes one more way to collapse into ego.

Unlike religion, which is always a world of answers, everything Ra gave us only intensified our process of questioning everything always. Any factual statement I encounter from Ra has the immediate effect of prompting a vast world of questioning to live inside for years on end.

The ego is always craving conclusion type of knowing which is how being collapses. Once we submit to a conclusion, we've collapsed and shrunk.

On the other hand, I found that just going deeper and deeper into the most difficult questions, while good for growth, wasn't facilitating personal power. So I finally relented and allowed myself refuge in a world of answers. Here's the catch: it had to be self-generated answers and not derived from any book or teachers with bodies in this reality. and instead of answers they're more conceptual frameworks. It's a breather from perpetual questioning... maybe the way Tarot or astrology or any divination system allows some refuge from endless enigmas.

During sleep, we touch bases with who we are elsewhere in time/space.
I operate on the assumption that I'm 100X smarter while asleep. During the final moments before waking, consciousness often kicks in with the question of how to hold awareness upon waking. Then upon waking I've lost it... except I know it's just a question of how long it will take to upload from the subconscious, which can be months or years.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't feel any smarter when I'm asleep. In fact I've made some strange choices in dreamtime.

[Philosoraptor]

The harvest/graduation is an ongoing process rather than a calendar event (which is why the "December 21st 2012 Ascension" failed—and why many other fixed future "ascension" dates will undoubtedly fail). This should be absolutely clear by now to everyone in this forum.

This isn't 5th-density harvest. This is 3rd-density. Look back to the 2nd-to-3rd density transition, if you will. It took a few hundred years for 2nd-density to fully transit to a 3rd-density environment with the appropriate type of vehicles. This isn't much different. It will take time. Granted, the higher the density the more "instantaneous" the graduation process will be (i.e. higher vibratory rate, greater awareness, more immediate transition to new vehicular forms). However, this is 3rd-density graduation. You would do well to remember that.

The time of transition here is dependent upon the rapidity of growth of the 3rd-density population at large in relation to its willingness/desire to move from a 3rd-density mindset/lifestyle to welcome, adopt and live under 4th-density awareness (with all the changes this implies, mental/emotional as well as physical). It must be understood, and indeed appreciated in loving acceptance, that many/most still enjoy and desire to live under 3rd-density conditions. This is acceptable.

Now, in a metaphysical sense, this planetary sphere has already entered the green-ray vibratory spectrum; ergo, the planet is in its very, very early stages of 4th density already. Therefore: the transition is already on its way (although it may take some 100-700 years/planetary rotations around its sun for 4th density to be fully established).

PS: Perhaps you should also do well to consider that these frail 3rd-density physical vehicles typically become non-functional within 60-80 years. The process of death/rebirth will gradually change the playing field, so to speak, so that within 1 or 2 generations less and less non-graduating entities will be cycling on this sphere and more and more will be early 4D graduates (and, of course, those graduating to 4D negative will be joining another more appropriate planetary experience elsewhere, and will thus be, for all intents and purposes, "removed" from this planet).

[Hototo]

The harvest/graduation is an ongoing process rather than a calendar event (which is why the "December 21st 2012 Ascension" failed—and why many other fixed future "ascension" dates will undoubtedly fail). This should be absolutely clear by now to everyone in this forum.

This isn't 5th-density harvest. This is 3rd-density. Look back to the 2nd-to-3rd density transition, if you will. It took a few hundred years for 2nd-density to fully transit to a 3rd-density environment with the appropriate type of vehicles. This isn't much different. It will take time. Granted, the higher the density the more "instantaneous" the graduation process will be (i.e. higher vibratory rate, greater awareness, more immediate transition to new vehicular forms). However, this is 3rd-density graduation. You would do well to remember that.

The time of transition here is dependent upon the rapidity of growth of the 3rd-density population at large in relation to its willingness/desire to move from a 3rd-density mindset/lifestyle to welcome, adopt and live under 4th-density awareness (with all the changes this implies, mental/emotional as well as physical). It must be understood, and indeed appreciated in loving acceptance, that many/most still enjoy and desire to live under 3rd-density conditions. This is acceptable.

I agree with the exception that it is not only acceptable, but it is the nature of things, and it is not only not possible to speed it up if they desire to remain there, it is an infringement of the nature of killing an other self to force them to go to the 4th before their time.

Other than that. I would replace acceptable with "the way things are."

Now, in a metaphysical sense, this planetary sphere has already entered the green-ray vibratory spectrum; ergo, the planet is in its very, very early stages of 4th density already. Therefore: the transition is already on its way (although it may take some 100-700 years/planetary rotations around its sun for 4th density to be fully established).

PS: Perhaps you should also do well to consider that these frail 3rd-density physical vehicles typically become non-functional within 60-80 years. The process of death/rebirth will gradually change the playing field, so to speak, so that within 1 or 2 generations less and less non-graduating entities will be cycling on this sphere and more and more will be early 4D graduates (and, of course, those graduating to 4D negative will be joining another more appropriate planetary experience elsewhere, and will thus be, for all intents and purposes, "removed" from this planet).

Still, people are in such a hurry to kill the people around them for the feeling of feeling "it is just one person here." that sometimes, it makes me wonder if they understand what 4th density life is.

[GentleReckoning]

Explain what you are trying to say a little better if you will, Not Sure...

[Parsons]

I think it's worth pointing out that if everything stayed fixed since 30 years ago when that prediction was made, the transition period is now 70-670 years. I am more apt to take the updated Q'uo prediction of 100-150 years.

Either way, I hope to live through a significant part of or possibly all the transition period. If the transition period truly is in less than 150 years, there will be truly monumental societal changes in my lifetime.

[xise]

There will be monumental change, but it's easy to forget how monumental the past 100 years in new found positivity.

The dream of peaceful, largely nonviolent revolution became a reality in India with Gandhi. Civil disobedience took center stage in being to achieve the independence of an entire nation from one of the largest and oldest empires.

Separate but equal was abolished almost 50 years ago in the United States. My father remember when he first came to this country there were "colored" and "white" bathrooms. It was abolished by MLK by much the same means as Gandhi used -civil disobedience.

It is now widely accepted that endangered species deserve to be protected and their existence as creatures has merit in and of itself.

There are others, but these things seemed unimaginable if you asked someone in the late 1800s, or so historians and writings from that era would have us believe. Many things that have happened in the past 100 years have been negative, but I think the foundation for the transition between 3D and 4D Earth already began in early into 20th century.