On narcissism and mascochism

[Hototo]

http://samvak.tripod.com/narcissistmasochist.html

Found this article when studying self hate. Thoughts?

[Plenum]

from linked page:

Deeper still, the narcissist has an image of himself as a worthless, bad and dysfunctional extension of others. In constant need of Narcissistic Supply, he feels humiliated. The contrast between his cosmic fantasies and the reality of his dependence, neediness and, often, failure (the "Grandiosity Gap") is an emotionally harrowing experience. It is a constant background noise of devilish, demeaning laughter. The voices say: "You are a fraud", "You are a zero", "You deserve nothing", "If only they knew how worthless you are".

sounds like orange-ray blockages to me

[Hototo]

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders54.html

"Your crown is naked, councillor, 'tis there to fathom and yours to cling to. All your kind shall perish if you forsake not your mind's cage." In other words: I better believe what he tells me and give up my prejudices - or I shall be rendered obsolete and dispensable when the time comes.

El-Or firmly believes that Earth is about to be overtaken by alien species. They are already here, scouting the land and choosing who will be "lifted" and who will "perish". Many adepts have defected to "their" side and are collaborating with the aliens in the subjugation of Mankind and the ultimate conquest of our planet. El-Or, though, has decided not to betray his kind. His self-assigned mission is to warn of the impending doom and save as many "enlightened" souls as he can. Hence his irritation with my attempts to puncture holes in his scenario.

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El-Or's real name is George. He changed it as a result of an epiphany he experienced at the tender age of 9 when he encountered an alien spaceship in his back yard and "in all probability" was abducted by its crew. Can't he remember for sure? It's all kind of fuzzy, but ever since then he has had numerous out of body experiences and has developed psychic capabilities such as clairvoyance and remote viewing. "I can see that you don't believe a word of it." - he declaims bitterly - "You probably can't wait to tell the other therapists here about me and have a good laugh at my expense." I remind him that therapy sessions are strictly confidential but he nods his head sagely: "Yeah, sure, whatever you say, Doc."

Talking of a patient with their first name and their chosen name. Sure sounds confidential to me.

[Unbound]

The art of reduction to humanness.

[Hototo]

The art of reduction to humanness.

I'd say reduction to chemical body.

[Unbound]

I believe in many opinions those are the same aha

[Hototo]

Reading more into this, the writer sure seems to think they can predict the future.

[zenmaster]

Reading more into this, the writer sure seems to think they can predict the future.

Then he'd be right at home here on these forums.

[Hototo]

Reading more into this, the writer sure seems to think they can predict the future.

Then he'd be right at home here on these forums.

Well this forum is founded on the idea that interdimensional aliens that are also kind of ourselves and kind of god can communicate with us outside of time allowing us to both predict / create the future / past moment to moment.

I've seen crazier things, like the belief in psychology. But I digress.

Maybe we should invite the writer to our little circle of crazy ;D

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Is pathological narcissism a blessing or a malediction?

The answer is: it depends. Healthy narcissism is a mature, balanced love of oneself coupled with a stable sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Healthy narcissism implies knowledge of one's boundaries and a proportionate and realistic appraisal of one's achievements and traits.

It seems that the main difference between "normals" and "abnormals" according to this site is as follows:

Normals:
Believe in hierarchical structures where they are mature and a randomly selected grouping of other selves are immature(usually either by gender, age, race or religion), this is a arbitrary line/boundary but the protection of this one arbitrary line is sufficient cause for wars (see wars about trying to impose hierarchies on others)

Abnormals:
Believe in the lack of hierarchical structures, believe that the self lacks hardness and that the self can merge, subsume or become anything else that it observes, reality of the self's transitory nature is understood, giving less space to emotions as expressions within that transitory nature.

Normals:
Resistant to change, have a self defined idea of stability, usually combined with severe to crippling emotional inability to deal with difficult concepts such as aliens, gods, spooky-action-at-a-distance and that something greater than they may exist, such a greater existing would threathen the established barriers. Thus Normals resist things like the certainty of alien life in the universe and spend great deals of time mocking those who research and catalogue these phenomena.

Abnormals:
Prone to change and rapid reaction, define stability as the middle ground between opposing points in the societal memory group that they currently exist in and self as the distance from that central point and the desires and distortions that arise as a result of this difference from the central point. Abnormals usually try to find the largest and most harmonious and "multicolored" societal memory group. Abnormals spend long times in attempting to procure ways to contact or maintain contact with things that would be well outside the comfort zone of normals.

Normals:
Believe that they are able to separate their accomplishments and traits from the group accomplishments and traits due to the belief that they can be separated from the group.

Abnormals:
Believe that they are integrally a part of the group and thus their accomplishments and traits are an expression of the group they are in now, and all the groups they have been in before. While separation is a state that is believed in between travels from groups to groups, the belief that separation itself as a concept or a line that can be drawn on the map is impossible. That the self and the observed other self is always invariably tied together and cant be separated. So all praise as well as all criticism should more correctly apply to the group isntead of the individual, while the individual can also be thanked and enjoyed as an expression of the group.

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I dont neccesarily agree with but after reading the page this is the idea or ideology that I found to be the "scrubbed down" version of what the person is trying to write about.

Is this roughly accurate?

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This is where I stopped reading:

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal48.html

Narcissists are obsessed by delusions of fantastic grandeur and superiority. As a result they are very competitive. They are strongly compelled - where others are merely motivated. They are driven, relentless, tireless, and ruthless. They often make it to the top. But even when they do not - they strive and fight and learn and climb and create and think and devise and design and conspire. Faced with a challenge - they are likely to do better than non-narcissists.

Unable to work in a team, to compromise, to give credit where due, and to strive towards long-term goals, the narcissist - skilled and gifted as he may be - finds himself unemployed and unemployable, his bad reputation preceding him.

Which is it Mr. Writer.

[Hototo]

A meeting between a schizotypal and a normal person. "Do you have a moment to hear the word of the lord Xenu?"

PS: I find this to be a humorous article and situation and am waiting for the mentioning of gray aliens to make Ol Britt jump up and say something.