"Spiritual Correctness"

[Lighthead]

@Splash

The fact that you went, line for line, point for point, again, evidenced the situation better than I could have.

And by the way, the word asinine was a poor choice of words. I was going for another term, but because I was busy at the time went with that even though I was going for another description. I apologize for that. I was being asinine.

YEP.. I went line for line again!! OH !! THE SIMULATED HORROR !! (how agonising for you!)

Your apology for the ass word is welcomed and I thank you for it.  



"Raj: What now?

Sheldon: A Godzilla-like monster is approaching the city. I have to get my people to safety.

'People of Sheldonopolis, this is your mayor.

Follow me.

If the children can’t run, leave them behind.'

Oh, the simulated horror!

(Sound of door slamming)

Raj?

Just as I suspected.

Meditation is nothing but hokum."

But I do want to make clear that I wasn't sticking up for Plen because he's a moderator. I don't kiss ass like that, and I don't worship authority like that either. I just want to make it extra clear. I just can't imagine him using the term political correctness as if he's denigrating those who want to be politically correct.

And I personally don't think that anybody should have to worry about trying to be politically correct. I find that that's some type of mumbo jumbo that our modern-day culture actually sees fit to put up with. I think that having to walk on eggshells is extremely annoying to watch and even more annoying to take part of. And it's even more annoying when people are trying to police that sort of thing. Let people do or say what they want to say. We're not going to descend into chaos because somebody was trying to equate the term political correctness with "spiritual correctness."

[APeacefulWarrior]

My sense is when we, even for a moment, somehow feel we are a 'bit more enlightened than most', we need to step back and ask ourselves why we would go there.

One basic consequence of the Law of One is recognizing that there is a hierarchy of sorts.  Some people ARE more wise than others, or at least more energy-dense.  This isn't a wholly egalitarian system, nor could it be.  For that matter, one of the main purposes of the Wanderer system is specifically so higher-density entities can try to help others in their spiritual growth.  It's another form of Service-to-Others, and plenty of people here believe they are Wanderers.

Someone who tells themselves they have nothing to teach will potentially miss out on opportunities to help others, as well as missing out on learning experiences of their own, since teaching and learning are so intimately interconnected.

Besides, I did only say "a bit."  Everyone is probably wiser than others in specific areas.  It's just a matter of discovering those areas so one can learn how/when they can be of greater assistance to others. If no one considers themselves wise enough to teach, how can anyone do any learning?

By lovingly accepting them for who they are, and where they are, in their own, unique spiritual path.  

By recognizing that it isn't necessary to create in-your-face catalyst to inspire introspection and spiritual growth.

I didn't specify "in your face catalyst."  I just asked the question.  There are more options on the table than "direct confrontation" vs "total non-interference."  The latter is suggested by some philosophical systems like Daoism, but those aren't the only two choices available.

Which is why it's good to ask the question, and thus discover NEW possibilities.  

[Lighthead]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

Or rather they are simply people that think alike. It surely weights more and balances things more a certain way. This is true anywhere and anywhen. 

I do think everyone on this forum is open to change and to learn, everyone is a mirror unto others and others a mirror unto them. We change with time inevitably as we face self and other-selves. what is not needed fades away by itself.

I find it strange in the extreme that Splash would say that there is a clique of people that suppress the opinion of others. As Seinfeld would say, "Who are these people?" He admittedly said it a different way. Or was parodied saying it a different way. I've never once seen this happen. And if you're implying that I'm one of them, I can safely say that the only person I've interacted with on a close level here is Gemini. And Gemini is basically the most unlikeliest of persons to do something like that. And I really don't qualify because I've only been active on here for a few months.

But even if it weren't me, I have never seen anybody group together in such a manner. For, being as like-minded as we are here on Bring 4th, I don't really think that many people here interact with each other on a true friend level. I actually have evidence of this, but I don't want to embarrass anyone here so I decline to give it. I would have to disclose private information. Just to drop some hints, the evidence is basically common sense as it relates to Bring 4th, but that everyone can apparently relate to. That's probably too vague, but I don't want to give any more information.

[Shawnna]

My sense is when we, even for a moment, somehow feel we are a 'bit more enlightened than most', we need to step back and ask ourselves why we would go there.

One basic consequence of the Law of One is recognizing that there is a hierarchy of sorts.  

I can certainly see how this would be true for those who choose to adopt this 'consequence'.  

Personally, I feel that the second I believe I'm more <insert your noun here> than anyone else, my ego has taken over and I'm on a slippery spiritual slope.

Some people ARE more wise than others, or at least more energy-dense.  This isn't a wholly egalitarian system, nor could it be.  For that matter, one of the main purposes of the Wanderer system is specifically so higher-density entities can try to help others in their spiritual growth.  It's another form of Service-to-Others, and plenty of people here believe they are Wanderers.

Good point.  Thank you for reminding me of the philosophical realm I'm dwelling in at the moment.  That's not saying I agree with you; rather, I'm acknowledging that is your belief (and likely many others) who frequent this corner of the cyber-world.



I have to confess that I tend to stay at the 100,000 foot level of all of this so anything beyond "Love" and "Law of One" doesn't resonate with me.

Someone who tells themselves they have nothing to teach will potentially miss out on opportunities to help others, as well as missing out on learning experiences of their own, since teaching and learning are so intimately interconnected.

Learning comes from introspection for most individuals, IMHO.  I do understand there are those who will simply adopt the beliefs of others for whatever reason.  For me introspection is the only way I learn anything that is retained at the soul level.  

Besides, I did only say "a bit."  Everyone is probably wiser than others in specific areas.  It's just a matter of discovering those areas so one can learn how/when they can be of greater assistance to others.  If no one considers themselves wise enough to teach, how can anyone do any learning?  

My understanding of our purpose here is learning Love; not wisdom.  If I remember right, according to Ra, wisdom is the 5th density.  If we are to serve others from a standpoint of Love, perhaps understanding how best to express that within our currently limited capacity makes a lot of sense.

By lovingly accepting them for who they are, and where they are, in their own, unique spiritual path.  

By recognizing that it isn't necessary to create in-your-face catalyst to inspire introspection and spiritual growth.

I didn't specify "in your face catalyst."  I just asked the question.  There are more options on the table than "direct confrontation" vs "total non-interference."  The latter is suggested by some philosophical systems like Daoism, but those aren't the only two choices available.

Which is why it's good to ask the question, and thus discover NEW possibilities.  

Very true.  My apology for posting my response in a way to insinuate that.  

[Lighthead]

I feel there is a 'clique' here of people that have been interacting for a long while with each other, and it is quite difficult for others to express themselves here...

I know for definite that numerous people leave or deactivate their accounts with Bring4 because of this clique phenomena... and threads often devolve into personal interaction energy, with people supporting people they know and being mistrustful or insecure about newcomers...

There is a 'clique' here - and it is totally understandable.  My sense is it's quite likely true that a good many have met each other in person at Homecoming.  So that's why I believe it is understandable.

The question is, does this community want to be a loving, open, accepting community of seekers?  Or does it want to be a clique of individuals who've met in person?



Honestly - the idea of going to 'Homecoming' to meet some of these individuals leaves me .........  not wanting to buy a plane ticket.

:-/

I get the impression that the Homecomings were much more popular before. Probably before all the in-fighting. Which says a lot about the paradox of going full paranoia.

[Lighthead]

I feel sad that we derailed this thread to smithereens. I actually thought that it was a really good OP. I sometimes think that this board (s/m/c) is experiencing intense psychic greeting at times. And we fall prey to it and are blindly led down the path. We have work to do.

The funny thing is that, even though I say that I thought it was a good OP, I just remember that it was a good OP and not what the OP was about because we derailed it so hard. How truly sad.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Learning comes from introspection for most individuals, IMHO.  I do understand there are those who will simply adopt the beliefs of others for whatever reason.  For me introspection is the only way I learn anything that is retained at the soul level.  

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My understanding of our purpose here is learning Love; not wisdom.  If I remember right, according to Ra, wisdom is the 5th density.  If we are to serve others from a standpoint of Love, perhaps understanding how best to express that within our currently limited capacity makes a lot of sense.

It's fine if introspection is your preferred mode of learning, but it's not true for everyone. That's the issue here. There are many types of learning, and they are all valid, which necessitates there be many forms of teaching as well.

And while it's true that at the planetary level, the goal is a transition into 4D existence, the goals of each individual will still vary greatly. Some are here on Earth to learn Love, others Wisdom, and yet others Unity. Being able to incarnate on such a high-energy, complex, chaotic planet means there's plenty of catalyst for everyone to help them down whatever path they feel is best for their own spiritual development.

I see no need or reason to restrict the types of learning going on. And if someone can, for example, learn about Love and Wisdom simultaneously, that would only speed their own growth towards ultimate re-unification with the Creator.

And on a related note, since this is something you indicated is important to your own spiritual development...

Personally, I feel that the second I believe I'm more <insert your noun here> than anyone else, my ego has taken over and I'm on a slippery spiritual slope.

I have to confess that I tend to stay at the 100,000 foot level of all of this so anything beyond "Love" and "Law of One" doesn't resonate with me.

I'm having a very hard time reconciling these two statements. I don't think I've ever heard someone describe themselves as being literally above the concerns of others without there being some assumption of superiority involved. It tends to imply a "looking down upon" attitude. I'd respectfully suggest you ponder this in your meditations.

Just because something is unimportant to you, that doesn't diminish its importance to your other-selves. As all are One, their concerns are still your concerns. If you can find ways to help them improve themselves and move further along their own individual paths, you therefore help improve the One which unifies us all.

(And you might even learn something along the way! )

[Reaper]

A few thoughts:

1. No one is being made to leave this community. Unless you manage to get yourself banned, signing in and signing off are always the choice of the individual.

2. I have seen absolutely no evidence of anyone on this forum "being STS". I've seen people with a wide variety of personal issues and social distortions. I've seen people hurting, crying out for help, or caring so much they don't realize it's overbearing. I've seen people dealing with anger and frustration and confusion, but never have I witnessed the conscious, malicious manipulation of others that defines the negative path. To imply such is insulting.

3. I've been to homecoming many times. There is no "clique of people who've met each other at homecoming" running the forum. In fact, it's rare to get more than two or three forum people at any one homecoming. The only clique of people I see are the people who want there to be a clique, in order to shift the responsibility of maintaining a civil environment onto someone else. 

4. Has anyone been on the more mainstream forums where trolling literally does dominate the environment? Where people don't even try to respect and listen to each other? This system may not be perfect, but a whole lot of people are busting their butts, doing the very best they can to try to facilitate a welcome, loving, Law-of-One-focused environment that still embraces diversity and freedom of expression. If you think maintaining that sort of balance is easy, perhaps you should volunteer to help moderate the forum. 

I firmly believe that most of the people on this forum, moderators and members alike, are putting their best efforts into making this place the best it can be, yet the moment a difficulty pops up, there's always a group of people willing to start shouting about "how STS" the forum is, how it's full of trolls, how nobody cares, etc., and again that is insulting. If you truly see a problem, try coming up with a solution instead of spitting on the years of work and effort that have allowed this forum to be possible. 

[APeacefulWarrior]

I feel sad that we derailed this thread to smithereens. I actually thought that it was a really good OP. I sometimes think that this board (s/m/c) is experiencing intense psychic greeting at times. And we fall prey to it and are blindly led down the path. We have work to do.

Well, post some new thoughts on the matter and try to get a new sub-thread going. There's no reason to simply give up because the thread got derailed for a few hours. There's still plenty of good material here.

[Lighthead]

I'm going to pledge to, as much as possible, from now on, not feed into the negativity that I see portrayed in any thread. I'm going to try to realize that the forces of darkness are trying to distract us from the purpose at hand. I will not play into their hand. They will not see me sweat; they will not see me drop a tear. I may not be able to share love (because of my upbringing), but I will try, as hard as possible, to blind others with the light.

I, Lighthead, take this pledge; and deem this effective... NOW!!

[Aion]

Can't we all just hang out and get along? It's a forum. Nobody should be losing sleep over it.

[Lighthead]

I feel sad that we derailed this thread to smithereens. I actually thought that it was a really good OP. I sometimes think that this board (s/m/c) is experiencing intense psychic greeting at times. And we fall prey to it and are blindly led down the path. We have work to do.

Well, post some new thoughts on the matter and try to get a new sub-thread going.  There's no reason to simply give up because the thread got derailed for a few hours.  There's still plenty of good material here.  

I appreciate your confidence. I just feel that the energy gets misdirected. It gets misdirected, at the least, in my mind. I'm pretty sure that if I reread the OP that I wouldn't be able to think of anything to add. I know myself too well. And, to be honest, I thought that the OP was perfect as it was. Nothing really needed to be added. I just think that the derailment was a whole host of negativity. The thread didn't need that. It gets very distracting away from the OP.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I almost hesitate to point this out, but STSes exist for a reason.  They help provide the catalyst from which we all grow.  If there are those here who are truly negatively polarized -and I am ONLY saying if- then they are merely behaving as is natural to them, as fellow extensions of the Creator, in helping everyone learn and grow.  In their own way.

I only mention this because openly ostracizing them would, itself, be a negative/controlling behavior.  They can still be accepted and worked with as fellow human-beings\other-selves, without "STS" being thrown around as a term that's inherently insulting.  They simply are what they are.  

(But then again, I find that my own personal path involves trying to find ways to love those who are seemingly unloveable. Others may not find this as important as I do, and that's fine too. )

[Reaper]

For quite a few of us, this forum is the closest thing to a positive community we get to experience. For some people, this is the only place they feel like they can be themselves and talk about things that the people in their everyday lives would find crazy. Some of the best friends I have in this life I would never have met if not for this forum.

I care so much about this forum because I see it as both a valid community and a valid expression of the Creator's light. Just because I can't see everyone in person doesn't mean I value the relationships I have on this forum less than the relationships I have outside of it. When the forum hurts, I hurt, and I think it's that way for many others as well. I think many of the pockets of explosive emotional energy that turn up here and there are usually, deep down, an attempt to heal what has become a sort of home for many individuals.

[Aion]

Here we can bring forth ourselves.

[Aion]

This thread makes me feel like I should leave the forum again. No doubt I am part of the 'clique'.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I appreciate your confidence. I just feel that the energy gets misdirected. It gets misdirected, at the least, in my mind. I'm pretty sure that if I reread the OP that I wouldn't be able to think of anything to add. I know myself too well. And, to be honest, I thought that the OP was perfect as it was. Nothing really needed to be added. I just think that the derailment was a whole host of negativity. The thread didn't need that. It gets very distracting away from the OP.

I tend to see the flow of energy in any situation as being largely like the flow of water. Even the mightiest river can be re-directed, if one puts the right pressures in the right places. A situation really only succumbs to unproductive negativity (which I suppose I'd define as "negativity that only reinforces itself without other benefits") when people involved give up on trying to view it any other way.

Catalyzation is largely a matter of choice. While there are extreme\edge cases, by and large we can still take whatever's given and polarize it in either direction. It just requires a certain amount of willpower and knowledge to see how that polarization, or redirection, might be accomplished.

At any rate, I find it more useful to at least attempt such redirections. Even if they don't work out like one plans, they tend to teach something about the ways of love and\or wisdom just from making the effort.

[Bluebell]

This thread makes me feel like I should leave the forum again. No doubt I am part of the 'clique'.

am i in the clique or am i eating leftovers from a trashcan?

[Aion]

I dunno, but the trashcan doesn't look so bad.

Lol 'the clique', bring4ths version of the Cabal.

[Bluebell]

always dumpster dive at the back alleys of fancy restaurants, u get the 4 star treatment for free.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Hold on, I'm already a Redditor. Can I be part of The Clique AND The Hivemind at once? Or would that bend the fabric of spacetime too much?

[Bluebell]

reddit is mordor

[Minyatur]

Sometimes there's so much light/love that it makes my head spin.

[Bluebell]

on reddit?

[outerheaven]

Some people ARE more wise than others, or at least more energy-dense.  This isn't a wholly egalitarian system, nor could it be.  For that matter, one of the main purposes of the Wanderer system is specifically so higher-density entities can try to help others in their spiritual growth.  It's another form of Service-to-Others, and plenty of people here believe they are Wanderers.

Good point.  Thank you for reminding me of the philosophical realm I'm dwelling in at the moment.  That's not saying I agree with you; rather, I'm acknowledging that is your belief (and likely many others) who frequent this corner of the cyber-world.



I have to confess that I tend to stay at the 100,000 foot level of all of this so anything beyond "Love" and "Law of One" doesn't resonate with me.

Interesting choice of idiom. Shouldn't you be at the same elevation as everyone else, since everyone/everything is equal?

[Minyatur]

on reddit?

On the forum, I don't go on reddit

[isis]

Honestly, the idea of going to 'Homecoming' to meet some of these individuals leaves me ....... really wanting to buy a plane ticket.

[Bluebell]

Interesting choice of idiom. Shouldn't you be at the same elevation as everyone else, since everyone/everything is equal?

equality doesn't mean same. it means as precious or as puny but levels vary. aren't all levels equal like everything created by God?

[Minyatur]

It seems to me that many speak of STO yet are trying to impose some sort of control over others which is quite the opposite of STO. There are many with paradoxal intentions. This is not directed toward anyone in particular and is something I've noticed at many times, I'd say it is somewhat natural too as I've yet to see anyone truly fully positively polarized.

Be and let be, give and take, adapt and resist. Most important of all, enjoy the ride else you'll have been your own worst enemy.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Reddit has actually been reforming itself lately. They recently revised the usage terms and have started actively banning subreddits that are solely based around hating on specific groups. Obviously, this is causing some controversy, but when /r/fatpeoplehate went away, very few tears were shed by the user base at large.

And that's on top of putting in more restrictions on the posting of private photos, in the wake of "The Fappening" and all the bad press that garnered.

At this point, there are enough upstarts like Voat attracting the "free speech at all costs" crowd that Reddit can afford to simply let the mindless haters go somewhere else. And as Reddit becomes more mainstream\influential, it's almost certain to keep cleaning house. The Hivemind is apparently deciding we like political relevance more than we like being a haven for haters.