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    02-08-2016, 05:14 AM
    (02-07-2016, 02:25 PM)Rolci Wrote: I would request some assistance here. I never truly uhm... grasped the whole magical personality thing. Could anyone give a magical personality for dummies kind of brief explanation without quoting the Ra Material?

    My understanding is that magical personality is your *highest, best and unveiled* self which resides in time/space. When you work with discplines of your personality in this space/time, you may be able to open the door to time/space and invoke magical personality in order to do magical work. This happens gradually, which means that you probably won't be able to invoke this whole personality completely the first time you open that door. But as you practice and work, you may be able to invoke more and more of it, and if you go further you also may be able to invoke your Higher Self, which is you in sixth density.

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    Quote:So if the two are same, who in a QHHT session has the magical personality? The hypnotherapist conducting the conversation, or the person whose higher self is finding a channel through the lower self giving them personal advice and healing (or sometimes the conductor advice and encouragement)?

    Both, ideally. A true healer should have access to their magical personality/Higher self. The one being healed should hopefully use this opportunity to make contact with their Higher self to create a more desirable self-configuration in the present, thanks to the catalyst offered by the healer.

    The archetypes are specifically about developing the magical personality, the process we also refer to as polarization. The more you are balanced enough to be activated in the indigo ray, the closer you are to the Higher self, and the more you are able to invoke the magical personality, thus allowing the Higher self to gain experience from the intense polarity in 3rd density.
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    02-13-2016, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 02-13-2016, 08:15 PM by Rolci.)
    Thanks Jade, found that enlightening. It leaves me with 2 questions. The simpler one is, if one studies the archetypes, you said that polarizes. My question is, what decides toward which polarity the studying polarizes? I'm assuming one would study them with the intention of gaining insight or some measure of understanding.

    The other one is harder to articulate. You said the QHHT therapist would ideally have access to the higher self. I'm trying to picture the importance of that. Maybe I'm seeing it too mechanically, but I would guess the success of the session would be mainly in what the patient vocalizes during the session, which they then are to listen to again and again on tape for it to take effect. So it seems to me that essentially the therapist is just supposed to follow a rough trail or pattern and ask some relevant questions, with the subconscious of the patient eventually going where it wants to go with the story.

    I hope that makes sense, eventually I am hoping to grasp the nature of the magical personality.

    Another question I have just thought of is, why is it good for the higher self to have a short access to the 3D personality, and

    "It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit."

    why is it so important to take it off in simpler language, and what happens if it's not taken off, and how would that even be achieved? Does that mean that a meditative-like state maintained throughout the waking life would be unadvisable?

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    02-14-2016, 12:46 PM
    Quote:Thanks Jade, found that enlightening. It leaves me with 2 questions. The simpler one is, if one studies the archetypes, you said that polarizes. My question is, what decides toward which polarity the studying polarizes? I'm assuming one would study them with the intention of gaining insight or some measure of understanding.

    The student decides which direction they polarize as they learn to use the archetypes. That's why archetype 0/22 is The Choice.

    Quote:The other one is harder to articulate. You said the QHHT therapist would ideally have access to the higher self. I'm trying to picture the importance of that. Maybe I'm seeing it too mechanically, but I would guess the success of the session would be mainly in what the patient vocalizes during the session, which they then are to listen to again and again on tape for it to take effect. So it seems to me that essentially the therapist is just supposed to follow a rough trail or pattern and ask some relevant questions, with the subconscious of the patient eventually going where it wants to go with the story.

    So, I would -assume- that a QHHT practitioner has access to their higher self would be more accurate. Ideally, anyone who is trying to do high "healing" work, like past life regression, would have access to their higher self, IE have access to intelligent infinity through the indigo ray. You can "heal" from any ray. A lot of healing is done in third density from the yellow-ray - meaning, that a "healer" subverts another's personal reality with their own, temporarily, offering relief. The indigo ray energy can bring a higher, more precise energy, to allow the ideal configurations of the patient to respond. Past life regression is a really open therapy. Someone who is "bad" at it won't offer any real, lasting healing to another. It is hard to articulate. The more "purified" one becomes as an instrument of the Creator, the more often their higher self can be invoked during 'workings' such as healing another, and the higher self knows the highest and best route of action to create. If you are healing from the yellow ray, a place more associated with the ego, you will be invoking your 3rd density brain logic into the process and likely muddling the energies.

    Where the higher self for the patient comes in, well, I think with QHHT the higher self of the patient is probably definitely involved, especially since the higher self is the one who directly guards information about other incarnations. But again, I think the more purified the receiver is, the more they will be able to more resolutely process the experience given to them by the QHHT.

    Quote:Another question I have just thought of is, why is it good for the higher self to have a short access to the 3D personality,

    Catalyst is very extreme here. The only way a 6th density entity can experience this high catalyst is to Wander and send an incarnation of themselves to the planet. Then the 6th density entity hopes that at least one of its wanderers "wakes up" to its true reality, and can therefore embrace the catalyst of 3D and refine their understanding of themselves, OR, I do believe a lot of incarnations of higher densities are often 'fact-finders' and information/experience gatherers for other planetary systems. A 6th density entity is trying to allow more and more of what is outside of itself to integrate with itself as it turns towards the whole. So, it's a last-chance effort for maximizing experience.

    Quote:"It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit."

    why is it so important to take it off in simpler language, and what happens if it's not taken off, and how would that even be achieved? Does that mean that a meditative-like state maintained throughout the waking life would be unadvisable?

    What Ra advises is to not "run before one walks", so to speak. This is why it is very important to understand the energetic body and blockages while one is trying to reside in a higher place of "no polarity". We invoke the higher self, ideally when we are performing "high magic" - in the form of service to others. The higher self is the last of our identity before it turns to the all, as it has integrate polarity to precision. If we invoke the higher self when we are not working with the purest energies we can muster, the higher self can get depolarized. I can't say I understand 100% but I believe Q'uo said something about your guidance system becoming out of whack when this happens. So, the ideal situation is that one slowly and gradually introduces the "magical personality" into their purest workings of high polarity. As you gain momentum, you can do this more and more. I believe this is what is called "spiritual gravity".

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    02-14-2016, 03:29 PM
    (02-07-2016, 05:45 PM)Rolci Wrote:
    (02-07-2016, 05:14 PM)Nicholas Wrote: There is no difference, essentially.


    Thanks for that. So are you saying that developing the magical personality is basically an ability to conduct a QHHT session on yourself without the intervention of a practitioner?


    Yes, but not necessarily for the same reason. Delores Cannon could be seen as a healer/patient and a QHHT subject as a patient/healer. She may also be seen as a 'Questioner' (she preferred the term 'reporter'). So the similarity lies in one's own ability to bypass the conscious mind. Socialised thinking or belief systems would need to be circumvented, or an open minded attitude to one's own view of reality be realised. Our fears, desires, or framework of reality would need to be suspended.

    (02-07-2016, 05:45 PM)Rolci Wrote: Also what would be the exact experience like, as I don't suppose there would be the verbal communication that could be recorded for re-listening.

    The question "who am I" acts like a calling to our higher self imo. To describe this is worthless as it's a unique experience. It's like me trying to describe my own thumbprint as your own.

    (02-07-2016, 05:45 PM)Rolci Wrote: So if the two are same, who in a QHHT session has the magical personality? The hypnotherapist conducting the conversation, or the person whose higher self is finding a channel through the lower self giving them personal advice and healing (or sometimes the conductor advice and encouragement)?

    Curiosity is the movement away from confusion. What I mean by the hypnotherapist and the person requesting therapy being the same, is that both entities are required to put their conscious preconditions/conceptions to one side. One cannot act as a conduit for healing unless one has been healed, so I suppose it is the QHHT hypnotherapist that has greater success in invoking it's higher self. I cannot perceive a situation in which a hypnotherapist successfully calls upon the higher self of its subject, without previously calling upon it's own.

    The magical invocation of our higher self usually involves some type of ritual or test. A ritual, or repetitive pattern, symbolises an act of focused intention or discipline. Even psychologists will state that it requires an average of 10,000+ hours to master anything. A test however can be passed in a moment. If we fail to see where we are being tested, confusion persists and we seek answers to alleviate the confusion. This is where conductors, or channellers come in.

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    02-14-2016, 06:26 PM
    (02-14-2016, 12:46 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:
    Quote:Thanks Jade, found that enlightening. It leaves me with 2 questions. The simpler one is, if one studies the archetypes, you said that polarizes. My question is, what decides toward which polarity the studying polarizes? I'm assuming one would study them with the intention of gaining insight or some measure of understanding.

    The student decides which direction they polarize as they learn to use the archetypes. That's why archetype 0/22 is The Choice.


    Quote:The other one is harder to articulate. You said the QHHT therapist would ideally have access to the higher self. I'm trying to picture the importance of that. Maybe I'm seeing it too mechanically, but I would guess the success of the session would be mainly in what the patient vocalizes during the session, which they then are to listen to again and again on tape for it to take effect. So it seems to me that essentially the therapist is just supposed to follow a rough trail or pattern and ask some relevant questions, with the subconscious of the patient eventually going where it wants to go with the story.

    So, I would -assume- that a QHHT practitioner has access to their higher self would be more accurate. Ideally, anyone who is trying to do high "healing" work, like past life regression, would have access to their higher self, IE have access to intelligent infinity through the indigo ray. You can "heal" from any ray. A lot of healing is done in third density from the yellow-ray - meaning, that a "healer" subverts another's personal reality with their own, temporarily, offering relief. The indigo ray energy can bring a higher, more precise energy, to allow the ideal configurations of the patient to respond. Past life regression is a really open therapy. Someone who is "bad" at it won't offer any real, lasting healing to another. It is hard to articulate. The more "purified" one becomes as an instrument of the Creator, the more often their higher self can be invoked during 'workings' such as healing another, and the higher self knows the highest and best route of action to create. If you are healing from the yellow ray, a place more associated with the ego, you will be invoking your 3rd density brain logic into the process and likely muddling the energies.

    Where the higher self for the patient comes in, well, I think with QHHT the higher self of the patient is probably definitely involved, especially since the higher self is the one who directly guards information about other incarnations. But again, I think the more purified the receiver is, the more they will be able to more resolutely process the experience given to them by the QHHT.


    Quote:Another question I have just thought of is, why is it good for the higher self to have a short access to the 3D personality,

    Catalyst is very extreme here. The only way a 6th density entity can experience this high catalyst is to Wander and send an incarnation of themselves to the planet. Then the 6th density entity hopes that at least one of its wanderers "wakes up" to its true reality, and can therefore embrace the catalyst of 3D and refine their understanding of themselves, OR, I do believe a lot of incarnations of higher densities are often 'fact-finders' and information/experience gatherers for other planetary systems. A 6th density entity is trying to allow more and more of what is outside of itself to integrate with itself as it turns towards the whole. So, it's a last-chance effort for maximizing experience.


    Quote:"It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit."

    why is it so important to take it off in simpler language, and what happens if it's not taken off, and how would that even be achieved? Does that mean that a meditative-like state maintained throughout the waking life would be unadvisable?

    What Ra advises is to not "run before one walks", so to speak. This is why it is very important to understand the energetic body and blockages while one is trying to reside in a higher place of "no polarity". We invoke the higher self, ideally when we are performing "high magic" - in the form of service to others. The higher self is the last of our identity before it turns to the all, as it has integrate polarity to precision. If we invoke the higher self when we are not working with the purest energies we can muster, the higher self can get depolarized. I can't say I understand 100% but I believe Q'uo said something about your guidance system becoming out of whack when this happens. So, the ideal situation is that one slowly and gradually introduces the "magical personality" into their purest workings of high polarity. As you gain momentum, you can do this more and more. I believe this is what is called "spiritual gravity".

    How would this relate to saying a DECREE? Sometimes before saying a decree I have invoked my mighty I Am Presence something to the effect of Mighty I AM take command, I always assumed that by doing this I was bringing in higher aspects of myself, your thoughts?

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    02-14-2016, 06:39 PM
    hounsic, I'm not sure about if you truly invoke your higher self. I've spoken magical words before, but never thought of them as a decree. Thank you for that. I never had a word for it before. I was invoking Ra and other things through my words.

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    02-14-2016, 09:44 PM
    (02-14-2016, 12:46 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The student decides which direction they polarize as they learn to use the archetypes. That's why archetype 0/22 is The Choice.

    That sounds promising. So if one studies the archetypes, that leads inevitably to a choice. Or am I misunderstanding? If that's correct, what exactly in the study elicits that choice. I imagine the choice as a sudden realization, like when you discover who you are where before you never really knew. Or something like that.

    So, I would -assume- that a QHHT practitioner has access to their higher self would be more accurate. Ideally, anyone who is trying to do high "healing" work, like past life regression, would have access to their higher self, IE have access to intelligent infinity through the indigo ray. You can "heal" from any ray. A lot of healing is done in third density from the yellow-ray - meaning, that a "healer" subverts another's personal reality with their own, temporarily, offering relief. The indigo ray energy can bring a higher, more precise energy, to allow the ideal configurations of the patient to respond. Past life regression is a really open therapy. Someone who is "bad" at it won't offer any real, lasting healing to another. It is hard to articulate. The more "purified" one becomes as an instrument of the Creator, the more often their higher self can be invoked during 'workings' such as healing another, and the higher self knows the highest and best route of action to create. If you are healing from the yellow ray, a place more associated with the ego, you will be invoking your 3rd density brain logic into the process and likely muddling the energies.

    I'm trying to picture this visually as a session is running. For example I try to heal someone without having contacted my higher self, maybe even without having made the choice. I say certain words and conduct the therapy to the best of my knowledge and a certain measure of healing takes place. I do the same session a few years later, invoking the higher self. How do you suggest the session would go differently that would result in a greater measure of healing? I'm assuming the patient's higher self will guide the conversation mostly, as the therapist, if well trained, would not lead where things go but rather facilitate, "nudge".


    Catalyst is very extreme here. The only way a 6th density entity can experience this high catalyst is to Wander and send an incarnation of themselves to the planet. Then the 6th density entity hopes that at least one of its wanderers "wakes up" to its true reality, and can therefore embrace the catalyst of 3D and refine their understanding of themselves, OR, I do believe a lot of incarnations of higher densities are often 'fact-finders' and information/experience gatherers for other planetary systems. A 6th density entity is trying to allow more and more of what is outside of itself to integrate with itself as it turns towards the whole. So, it's a last-chance effort for maximizing experience.

    I've always had a problem with higher reality being described as an eternal moment of now, then events in this higher reality described happening in succession, or in a cause and effect relation. Like when the Creator, in the infinite timelessness of its existence, "one day" wants to know itself, NEXT sends out parts, etc. In our example here, you talk about depolarization, but I imagine the higher self as existing beyond our concept of time, and seeing it described as polarized one moment and less polarized the next moment as a result of something that just happened is confusing to me. But I see this all the time everywhere, even in the TCU books. Also something must "happen" that makes the 6D self stop turning back, and later some "other thing" happens when the 7D sends one last gift to its 6D self, and then no more. Ra talks about their learnings and their teachers and how they do not plumb some mysteries, to my mind learning strictly implies a process where one moment you do not have access to certain knowledge, then the next moment you "got it". Even Ra's teachers must see that as they teach, those teachings create change, which necessitates the existence of time as we know it. What then is meant by "there is no time in ultimate reality" in all channeled materials? How do you deal with that teaching?

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    02-15-2016, 04:02 AM
    Quote:I am Ra. Let us compare octaves to islands. It may be that the inhabitants of an island are not alone upon a planetary sphere, but if an ocean-going vehicle in which one may survive has not been invented, true knowledge of other islands is possible only if an entity comes among the islanders and says, “I am from elsewhere.” This is a rough analogy. However, we have evidence of this sort, both of previous creation and creation to be, as we in the stream of space/time and time/space view these apparently non-simultaneous events.

    Quote: In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

    Quote:I perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws.

    the only way i can seem to reconcil the simultaneity of events is by using the geography and islands analogy in the Ra material for how things exist in time/space. they are happening all at once in geographically separate regions of time. when the higher self actively aids or is invoked by the 3d self its like it has physically moved itself to that region of time to say hello as it were.

    its probably why Ra suggests to let the higher self return back to its own time/space at the end of the working.

    i also imagine that its not necessarily easy for entities to move into another region of time/space and usually can only take the slow road. The higher self does so only because it has taken upon itself a certain duty to help and then only to its past selves.

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    02-15-2016, 11:01 AM
    Tis a pleasure to see a topic I started such a long time ago still generate responses.

    Finding positive adepts more in line with what I'm looking for currently.
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    02-15-2016, 11:26 AM
    (02-14-2016, 09:44 PM)Rolci Wrote:
    (02-14-2016, 12:46 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The student decides which direction they polarize as they learn to use the archetypes. That's why archetype 0/22 is The Choice.

    That sounds promising. So if one studies the archetypes, that leads inevitably to a choice. Or am I misunderstanding? If that's correct, what exactly in the study elicits that choice. I imagine the choice as a sudden realization, like when you discover who you are where before you never really knew. Or something like that.

    Choice is an act of will. It is an inner impetus that you must drive yourself. The choice will not be made for you. You get to decide what you enjoy and what you most desire to do. Which picnic do you like?

    Quote:19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?

    Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

    All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

    Quote:So, I would -assume- that a QHHT practitioner has access to their higher self would be more accurate. Ideally, anyone who is trying to do high "healing" work, like past life regression, would have access to their higher self, IE have access to intelligent infinity through the indigo ray. You can "heal" from any ray. A lot of healing is done in third density from the yellow-ray - meaning, that a "healer" subverts another's personal reality with their own, temporarily, offering relief. The indigo ray energy can bring a higher, more precise energy, to allow the ideal configurations of the patient to respond. Past life regression is a really open therapy. Someone who is "bad" at it won't offer any real, lasting healing to another. It is hard to articulate. The more "purified" one becomes as an instrument of the Creator, the more often their higher self can be invoked during 'workings' such as healing another, and the higher self knows the highest and best route of action to create. If you are healing from the yellow ray, a place more associated with the ego, you will be invoking your 3rd density brain logic into the process and likely muddling the energies.

    I'm trying to picture this visually as a session is running. For example I try to heal someone without having contacted my higher self, maybe even without having made the choice. I say certain words and conduct the therapy to the best of my knowledge and a certain measure of healing takes place. I do the same session a few years later, invoking the higher self. How do you suggest the session would go differently that would result in a greater measure of healing? I'm assuming the patient's higher self will guide the conversation mostly, as the therapist, if well trained, would not lead where things go but rather facilitate, "nudge".

    Okay, this is just speculation of one example of infinity. But firstly, I want to make the distinction that one does not have to be consciously aware of their link with their higher selves (in the ways/terms that we are discussing) to be able to do indigo-ray level healing. In your example, I am assuming that you are talking about a time before working on developing consciousness and healing vs. after. One thing I believe happens is that obviously, the healer-patient relationship is a two-way exchange, so you will always draw vibrationally to you those who will most benefit from your healing efforts. So, if a healer is healing from the yellow-ray, it is likely that they will vibrationally resonate more with someone who is having yellow/orange ray issues, and therefore the healing could on one hand potentially help temporarily but on the other hand, in the end, exacerbate the problem, if the patient is not ready to deal with the catalyst yet. So, even if the healer doesn't affect a total healing, they are still doing a service to the other, in a way.

    Now, if the same patient comes to the more advance healer, I would assume that chances would be greater for a -real healing-, but I also think in general, especially in a specific practice like your example, that a higher-ray healer will draw in patients who will be more responsive to their energies. I also think there is a big difference from the yellow-ray healing to when you invoke the green ray - when you can radiate a loving presence, that in itself is healing. If someone is actively green-ray healing it is likely that they are martyring themselves. However, true healing comes from a healer who can offer their higher vibrational configuration so that other m/b/s's can choose to emulate if they so desire. Any "act" of healing is just an attempt to offer others a less distorted energetic system alignment. This is why a smile can be healing.

    Quote:Catalyst is very extreme here. The only way a 6th density entity can experience this high catalyst is to Wander and send an incarnation of themselves to the planet. Then the 6th density entity hopes that at least one of its wanderers "wakes up" to its true reality, and can therefore embrace the catalyst of 3D and refine their understanding of themselves, OR, I do believe a lot of incarnations of higher densities are often 'fact-finders' and information/experience gatherers for other planetary systems. A 6th density entity is trying to allow more and more of what is outside of itself to integrate with itself as it turns towards the whole. So, it's a last-chance effort for maximizing experience.

    I've always had a problem with higher reality being described as an eternal moment of now, then events in this higher reality described happening in succession, or in a cause and effect relation. Like when the Creator, in the infinite timelessness of its existence, "one day" wants to know itself, NEXT sends out parts, etc. In our example here, you talk about depolarization, but I imagine the higher self as existing beyond our concept of time, and seeing it described as polarized one moment and less polarized the next moment as a result of something that just happened is confusing to me. But I see this all the time everywhere, even in the TCU books. Also something must "happen" that makes the 6D self stop turning back, and later some "other thing" happens when the 7D sends one last gift to its 6D self, and then no more. Ra talks about their learnings and their teachers and how they do not plumb some mysteries, to my mind learning strictly implies a process where one moment you do not have access to certain knowledge, then the next moment you "got it". Even Ra's teachers must see that as they teach, those teachings create change, which necessitates the existence of time as we know it. What then is meant by "there is no time in ultimate reality" in all channeled materials? How do you deal with that teaching?

    Well, firstly, the idea of depolarizing the higher self comes from the Ra teachings. I am not entirely sure how it all works in that aspect. But I know that they teach that to use your higher self adequately you must go through the steps they define as polarity, and that if you use it improperly there are consequences (undesired catalyst). As far as simultaneity, I can sort of grasp what it inherently means. I imagine the octave in microcosm: A breath, a heartbeat, the flickering of an atom. Expand, contract, expand, contract. I think all that we are experiencing is in one relative heartbeat. So, from a higher density view, I have until the last moment before the blood begins to rush back out of the chambers of the heart again to effect any "action" I want to take within this beat, this moment of simultaneity. Then my journey begins anew.

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    02-17-2016, 10:56 AM
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    "It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit."

    Maybe the negative adept enslaves its higher self simply by not taking off the magical personality? Making the taking off a sign of the positive polarity, and the not taking off making the negative adept having to be supersonscious to make sure it doesn't let the HS go? What does it even mean to "take off" the MP, and how would you go about not taking it off, and how long would/could that be done?

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    02-17-2016, 11:36 AM (This post was last modified: 02-17-2016, 11:46 AM by Jade.)
    I think that's an interesting line of thought. It falls in line with the Two Paths/Lovers card - where you must decide whether you 'plunder' your subconscious/higher self for its resources or 'court it like a maiden' in a delicate, intentional way. I wouldn't say that it's solely a problem of the negative entity, though - the Two Paths card has the "wobble" effect, which traps one in the sinkhole, which I think is probably the more likely situation when one is attempting to invoke their magical personality too often without the proper energetic configurations.

    So, I'll best try to describe what I think it means to not take off the magical personality and what can go wrong. When we do what would be considered "high magical work", like, banishing rituals, or healing meditations, or healing of others, in those moments we are invoking our higher self to help with those workings. It can be conscious or unconscious. The problem comes when we try to carry this state of being, this 'higher', almost non-polarized part of our being through our earth-suits through extended periods of time and during mundane tasks, when one is not ready - when one has not properly cleared and begun crystallizing their chakras. If a neophyte tries to act as a guru at all times, they will mess up, and if they are still attempting to wear their "higher-self hat", their higher-self contact gets depolarized much in the way that the Ra contact gets depolarized when things take on a more transient or philosophically negative slant. Then, the next time you go to link up with your 'higher self', instead you may get the 'imitation higher self', which is where problems can start - guidance gets muddled and confused, because we're confused about what acts are truly beneficial to involve our higher self and which aren't, and because polarity is a subtle thing to understand.

    Ra says it's about slowly increasing the percentage in a gradual way, to letting the magical personality reign more and more. Forcing it is when people go wrong. I would say it would be forcing energy to the indigo when there isn't enough energy in the lower centers to keep them balanced.

    Quote:75.38 Questioner: Now the invocation of the magical personality is not necessarily effective for the neophyte. Is there a point at which there is a definite quantum change and that personality does then reside, or can it be done in small degrees or percentages of magical personality as the neophyte becomes more adept?

    Ra: I am Ra. The latter is correct.

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    02-17-2016, 02:37 PM
    What exactly is the thing with the 2 paths? Sorry I don't understand anything about tarot. And what's the relationship between polarity and the plundering/courting. Does one decide which one to do based on their polarity, or does one try things around and the way it turns out leads (in part) to polarity eventually? I may be muddling here between polarity and choice, and also between a conscious choice and a non-conscious one, as I understand the positive path may be pursued without conscious knowledge, as opposed to the negative, or am I mistaken? I'm trying to understand where polarity comes into the picture of all the archetype studies and the higher magic activities. Or is it that one begins these studies, at one point makes a choice, which then determines a fine-tuning and direction of the further studies? Or can it be that one has made a definite negative choice having studied these, and starts the studies with an already set intention and goal and plan? This whole question is further complicated by the concept of wanderers who have already made a choice but the person in incarnation may not even be aware of the wandering let alone the chosen polarity, plus the possibility of negative wanderers, which exists, however rare in comparison, still a valid possibility. But then I assume any wanderer is hoping to make the same choice anew, rather than find out one way or another and just follow that without an inner conviction stemming from catalyst. I'm thoroughly lost...

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    02-17-2016, 02:47 PM
    Rolci, I think we're born into a situation that we had planned before incarnation. If we are positive entity, then we plan our birth to be in a situation that will enhance that positivity. If we're a negative wanderer, we will be born perhaps into a Luciferian sect, or within the Illuminati.

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    02-17-2016, 02:57 PM
    I totally understand your confusion, Rolci. I hope I can attempt to lessen it instead of increase it.

    Ra says that most people are far along their polarity bias before they consciously recognize which polarity they are. It is only when one wants to do high magical work in consciousness that consciously developing polarity becomes important, and when learning the tarot becomes important. Referring to the Two Paths card, the Transformation of the Mind, it is about the point where one does consciously choose their catalyst in a desire to progress further along their path, because the two paths most certainly diverge before the re-coalesce. You can have your cake and eat it too, by retaining the hand of both girls, the prostitute and the maiden, but you will not progress along either path and therefore not receive any benefits or 'magical powers' that are associated with polarity.

    As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication, then they can start developing the use of the magical personality with regularity. This takes will and practice, as to make it a habit like anything else. At this point, when acts of will towards love become more of a habit than a forced response, the "choice" of polarity in the moment again becomes less and less conscious (though still an act of will/choice), as when you ingrain your bias more thoroughly the interpretation of catalyst as positive becomes more the norm.

    Quote:19.16 Questioner: Then, through free will, some time in the third-density experience, the path splits and an entity consciously— probably does not consciously choose. Does an entity consciously choose this path at the initial splitting point?

    Ra: I am Ra. We speak in generalities which is dangerous for always inaccurate. However, we realize you look for the overview; so we will eliminate anomalies and speak of majorities.

    The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

    Quote:Ra: Let us now observe the evaluation of the two females [in the Lovers card]. The observation that to the left-hand path moves the roughly physical and to the right-hand path the mental has a shallow correctness. There are deeper observations to be made concerning the relationship of the great sea of the unconscious mind to the conscious mind which may fruitfully be pursued. Remember, O student, that these images are not literal. They haunt rather than explicate.

    Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

    Quote:94.12 Questioner: It seems to me that the Experience of the Mind would act in such a way as to change the nature of the veil so that catalyst would be filtered so as to be more acceptable in the bias that is increasingly chosen by the entity. For instance, if the entity had chosen the right-hand path the Experience of the Mind would change the permeability of the veil to accept more and more positive catalyst, and also the other would be true for accepting more negative if the left-hand path were the one that was repeatedly chosen. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is not only correct but there is a further ramification. As the entity increases in experience it shall, more and more, choose positive interpretations of catalyst if it is upon the service-to-others path and negative interpretations of catalyst if its experience has been along the service-to-self path.
    I do think if this is your area that you desire to study, that you should begin a patient study of the archetypes.

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    02-17-2016, 03:28 PM
    I wonder if it's true that a negative shaman can fire etheric poisoned darts at an enemy and kill them.

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    02-17-2016, 03:32 PM
    I think if the victim believes it to be possible, it could happen.

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    02-18-2016, 06:24 AM (This post was last modified: 02-18-2016, 09:25 AM by Rolci.)
    (02-17-2016, 02:57 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I totally understand your confusion, Rolci. I hope I can attempt to lessen it instead of increase it.

    Ra says that most people are far along their polarity bias before they consciously recognize which polarity they are. It is only when one wants to do high magical work in consciousness that consciously developing polarity becomes important, and when learning the tarot becomes important. Referring to the Two Paths card, the Transformation of the Mind, it is about the point where one does consciously choose their catalyst in a desire to progress further along their path, because the two paths most certainly diverge before the re-coalesce. You can have your cake and eat it too, by retaining the hand of both girls, the prostitute and the maiden, but you will not progress along either path and therefore not receive any benefits or 'magical powers' that are associated with polarity.

    As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication, then they can start developing the use of the magical personality with regularity. This takes will and practice, as to make it a habit like anything else. At this point, when acts of will towards love become more of a habit than a forced response, the "choice" of polarity in the moment again becomes less and less conscious (though still an act of will/choice), as when you ingrain your bias more thoroughly the interpretation of catalyst as positive becomes more the norm.


    I do think if this is your area that you desire to study, that you should begin a patient study of the archetypes.

    Thanks, that helped a bit. You said "As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication, then they can start developing the use of the magical personality with regularity." I've always been wondering about magick and alchemy, and their widespread use in the old days. I sort of assumed that they are part of what we here call magical work (possibly "lower"). And it always seemed to me that anyone can obtain these abilities, without necessarily making a conscious choice of polarity. If anything, I would expect the newly gained "abilities" and "power" to be a catalyst for a choice, as you really must decide what to do with such power, as it would be hard staying neutral in that situation. You would very quickly realize how you want to use the power, for manipulation or service. Not to say you can't arrive at these abilities from a previous desire to further polarize on an already chosen  path, but I think that while the existence of magick was general knowledge those days, at least in the forms of superstition, a Choice was probably never such general knowledge. It's probably not even meant to be in 3D.

    Another thought about what you said about the Choice and the subsequent pursuing, what bothers my mind is this: "As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication" sounds to me something like you know about polarity, and you keep CHOOSING along that path. I have a problem with choosing as opposed to doing always what feels RIGHT, even if it would be in a situation the bad" thing. It would seem appropriate to let what comes (let go and let God, that includes all "polarities) and see how the result feels, just as Quo says to take something "bad" we're done into meditation and take it to its extreme. To override choosing the bad that feels right just because you are aware of polarities, maybe even aware of your "chosen" path (or a path you forced yourself upon?) feels to me like lying to yourself, denying yourself, suppressing a part of you rather than embracing it lovingly, and letting it be expressed and accepted. Overriding a "bad" that feels right in that moment seems to me coming from a fear like "oh no, this is not who I want to be, I don't want to be this" and I do not accept this as part of me (where me should be whole). Yes that also always bothered me. We are in 3D, aware of the merging of polarities in 6D and the illusory nature of polarities. Yet here we are trying to make a choice and gain more of this polarity that we know doesn't even exist in ultimate reality. And then we try not to do "bad", for fear of depolarizing, denying our own knowledge that we are the Creator and that Creator is ALL that is (the "good" and the "bad", as viewed from a 3D duality-controlled mind). Why are we expected to kid ourselves?

    One last thing about one eternal moment ad simultaneity. Yes I have also always grasped what it "wants" to mean. Yet everything I read, sometimes in the same or next sentence as the one emphasizing it, tells the opposite, and I do not readily accept this as the usual metaphysical paradox. Possibly the best example would be "after death." Once you're out of body, there is no veil, right? So you know that all your incarnations exist simultaneously as tentacles of your higher self. (Heck we know this INSIDE 3D incarnation.) So why would you want to go and be healed from incarnative trauma, AFTER which you go on and plan a "next" life. Why would you plan something that's already done and dusted?

    My only resolution would be something that is not mentioned in the Ra material, and would be this: Similarly to what Ra says about how "young"souls reincarnate without planning (guides do the planning, and you only start planning once you have come to the realization that you can), maybe you keep planning your "next" incarnations, until you realize yo don't have to. Why play along after death and have all these discussions with the guides when you can simply visualize merging back into the higher self (or even the ALL) and thus do it? Indeed, in some sessions in the Convoluted Universe books there are these souls who confirm this is their last incarnation on Earth, while others, mostly first-timers on earth, "wanderers" straight from source, protected (sometimes by some kind of etheric shield) from the accumulation of karma, say that they only came for this one incarnation to help Earth with the ascension and then they're back to the source. That reminds me, maybe the concept of karma is also only functional as long as the soul (probably more unknowingly than knowingly - there MUST be some kind of veil after death) readily accepts it. Once you realize it's not a MUST and you don't HAVE TO return for more """lessons""", you can opt out. Yes lessons is funny, first they (or you) have you experience being a murderer, next you are either murdered or you are a carer of your victim. No lessons, only experiencing ALL sides.

    So if the soul doesn't realize that the life it would plan already exists, how would you say the veil had been removed? If the soul knows fully again who they are and what ultimate reality is, how much sense does it take to plan what already exists?? So where is the eternal moment of now in all that?

    (02-17-2016, 03:28 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I wonder if it's true that a negative shaman can fire etheric poisoned darts at an enemy and kill them.

    I would assume that a negative adept that is so far along the path that it has so much magickal power would've come to the realization of the importance of the respect of free will. I would expect it to know that infringement depolarizes regardless of the chosen path, as the skill is in either control and manipulation as ALLOWED by the victim's free will, or in accepting other self as self. Which is why 4th and 5th D negatives do not just come and kill (not that they don't have the power to) but rather use psychic attack. Killing would be too "easy" and be no challenge, and further polarization stems from passing more and more challanging "tests". Killing, at such levels of "development", would be equal to seeing a challenge, and instead of conquering it, you get rid of it, essentially telling the Universe (yourself) that you're not ready/able to handle it.So you aren't. Just my untrained thoughts.

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    02-18-2016, 10:50 AM
    (02-18-2016, 06:24 AM)Rolci Wrote: Another thought about what you said about the Choice and the subsequent pursuing, what bothers my mind is this: "As one continues to make their choice of polarity, with dedication" sounds to me something like you know about polarity, and you keep CHOOSING along that path. I have a problem with choosing as opposed to doing always what feels RIGHT, even if it would be in a situation the bad" thing. It would seem appropriate to let what comes (let go and let God, that includes all "polarities) and see how the result feels, just as Quo says to take something "bad" we're done into meditation and take it to its extreme. To override choosing the bad that feels right just because you are aware of polarities, maybe even aware of your "chosen" path (or a path you forced yourself upon?) feels to me like lying to yourself, denying yourself, suppressing a part of you rather than embracing it lovingly, and letting it be expressed and accepted. Overriding a "bad" that feels right in that moment seems to me coming from a fear like "oh no, this is not who I want to be, I don't want to be this" and I do not accept this as part of me (where me should be whole). Yes that also always bothered me. We are in 3D, aware of the merging of polarities in 6D and the illusory nature of polarities. Yet here we are trying to make a choice and gain more of this polarity that we know doesn't even exist in ultimate reality. And then we try not to do "bad", for fear of depolarizing, denying our own knowledge that we are the Creator and that Creator is ALL that is (the "good" and the "bad", as viewed from a 3D duality-controlled mind). Why are we expected to kid ourselves?

    I think the veil is the one doing the "kidding". The fact is that 95% of all people incarnated right now are not doing high magical work, they are merely expressing and experiencing themselves without reservation, and then hopefully balancing anything that resonates as "bad" afterwards to integrate and grow. But as one develops further along this ability, often Wanderers realize that they *did* incarnate to do work, to lighten the load of the transition to 3rd density. Being a passive radiator definitely helps, but conscious magical work helps even more. This is what Q'uo describes as a "magical act":

    Quote:Q'uo: You have been a magician each time that you have faced a situation in life and made a conscious choice to respond to catalyst that is offered you in a way which was not automatic in your responsive system. When you have chosen a higher path, when you have chosen a soft word instead of a harsh one, a kind action instead of a rude one, or an honest if hard answer instead of a hypocritical though easy one, you have acted in a magical way, choosing to lift your consciousness to a higher path.

    Here is what Ra says:

    Quote:94.20 Questioner: The magical shape is on the right edge of the card indicating to me that the spiritual significance is on the right edge of the card, indicating to me that the spiritual experience would be the right-hand path. Could Ra comment on that?

    Ra: I am Ra. Yes. The figure is expressing the nature of experience by having its attention caught by what may be termed the left-hand catalyst. Meanwhile, the power, the magic, is available upon the right-hand path.

    The nature of experience is such that the attention shall be constantly given varieties of experience. Those that are presumed to be negative, or interpreted as negative, may seem in abundance. It is a great challenge to take catalyst and devise the magical, positive experience. That which is magical in the negative experience is much longer coming, shall we say, in the third density.

    You don't *have* to do high work in polarization/magical personality development to harvest, or to even aid in harvest. It's another choice you have. You can let things happen to you, as you describe, which is fine, or you can develop the will and more consciously recognize that you have been creating your own reality all along with your own thoughts. The "passive" thoughts that exist that create the reality that we look at are often destructive. You can self-edit these for a better experience.

    Quote:One last thing about one eternal moment ad simultaneity. Yes I have also always grasped what it "wants" to mean. Yet everything I read, sometimes in the same or next sentence as the one emphasizing it, tells the opposite, and I do not readily accept this as the usual metaphysical paradox. Possibly the best example would be "after death." Once you're out of body, there is no veil, right? So you know that all your incarnations exist simultaneously as tentacles of your higher self. (Heck we know this INSIDE 3D incarnation.) So why would you want to go and be healed from incarnative trauma, AFTER which you go on and plan a "next" life. Why would you plan something that's already done and dusted?

    I think the "after death" only applies to our vantage point here, from this view, incarnated in time. Time is the illusion, simultaneity is the truth. Just like separation is the illusion but unity is the truth. I'm pretty sure Ra says that the illusion of progression is merely there for something for everyone to do, really, and a way to gauge progress of the "self". It's easy to feel nihilistic here in 3rd density, but out of incarnation it's impossible.

    It's also explicitly the paradox that contains within it gems of wisdom for you to unravel. Any paradox, if it seems unresolved in your mind, can be resolved.

    Quote:My only resolution would be something that is not mentioned in the Ra material, and would be this: Similarly to what Ra says about how "young"souls reincarnate without planning (guides do the planning, and you only start planning once you have come to the realization that you can), maybe you keep planning your "next" incarnations, until you realize yo don't have to. Why play along after death and have all these discussions with the guides when you can simply visualize merging back into the higher self (or even the ALL) and thus do it? Indeed, in some sessions in the Convoluted Universe books there are these souls who confirm this is their last incarnation on Earth, while others, mostly first-timers on earth, "wanderers" straight from source, protected (sometimes by some kind of etheric shield) from the accumulation of karma, say that they only came for this one incarnation to help Earth with the ascension and then they're back to the source. That reminds me, maybe the concept of karma is also only functional as long as the soul (probably more unknowingly than knowingly - there MUST be some kind of veil after death) readily accepts it. Once you realize it's not a MUST and you don't HAVE TO return for more """lessons""", you can opt out. Yes lessons is funny, first they (or you) have you experience being a murderer, next you are either murdered or you are a carer of your victim. No lessons, only experiencing ALL sides.

    Once an entity reaches the vibration where they can experience unconditional love (which is the lesson of multiple incarnations over time), they can leave 3D if they want - but most become fond of friends and family who can't leave yet, and make the sacrifice of one or two or ten more incarnations to help them.

    Quote:So if the soul doesn't realize that the life it would plan already exists, how would you say the veil had been removed? If the soul knows fully again who they are and what ultimate reality is, how much sense does it take to plan what already exists?? So where is the eternal moment of now in all that?

    There is still some veiling in the densities after ours. And when one dies, they go to 3rd density time/space, which definitely is still veiled but less so than space/time.

    Have you read Michael Newton's books about inbetween lives? They might answer some questions about the whys of people choosing to come back, how guides guard our past/future incarnational information, etc.

    Quote:I would assume that a negative adept that is so far along the path that it has so much magickal power would've come to the realization of the importance of the respect of free will. I would expect it to know that infringement depolarizes regardless of the chosen path, as the skill is in either control and manipulation as ALLOWED by the victim's free will, or in accepting other self as self. Which is why 4th and 5th D negatives do not just come and kill (not that they don't have the power to) but rather use psychic attack. Killing would be too "easy" and be no challenge, and further polarization stems from passing more and more challanging "tests". Killing, at such levels of "development", would be equal to seeing a challenge, and instead of conquering it, you get rid of it, essentially telling the Universe (yourself) that you're not ready/able to handle it.So you aren't. Just my untrained thoughts.

    I would assume that a negative entity, if they wanted someone dead, would have a minion go do it. It's all about enslaving others using their free will to do it, not against their free will. That's really the artful challenge of negative entities in 3rd density, and the astounding ways they have achieved it (mainly through media) is quite amazing. So many people actually believe they want to go to work 40+ hours a week so they can buy a new car every few years and new appliances every few years and new clothes every week etc etc etc, so they literally pour all of their energies into various corporations. Gg neggies.

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    02-18-2016, 02:03 PM
    I had another way to conceptualize this pop into my head, or at least, how the effects of not removing the higher self would manifest in reality.

    I believe it was plenum who once made the connection with this "gesture" of the magical personality and Walter/Heisenberg's hat in Breaking Bad. (not sure if you're familiar with the show, it's about a high school chemistry teacher/father/husband who gets cancer and starts cooking meth to pay for his treatment, and eventually starts climbing the ladder of power in the drug business) When Walter starts stepping out of his comfort zone, he creates a persona, Heisenberg, complete with a hat. When he puts on the hat, he becomes Heisenberg. He's basically invincible. However, he has to take the hat off - because his true identity remains at home with his wife and children, to whom which he desires to radiate some love. If he kept his hat on when he went home, his "Heisenberg" self would become confused and muddled, because he would either be trying to be loving through the Heisenberg hat or, the Heisenberg controlling personality would come out towards his wife and children, which he didn't want. So he takes off the hat.

    Eventually, however, as he begins to choose more and more to be Heisenberg, he needs the hat less and less to effect the gesture, to cue his subconscious to bring in the full power of his personality. Instead, the polarity he has accrued is the switch, and unfortunately for him his Heisenberg self becomes less in his control (which causes a doubling-back for a negative entity who wants to be in control of their self at all times, as opposed to the positive which lets the self flow through as unimpeded as possible), and the bleed through happens more and more.

    So, if we take this example with a positive entity: Ra is definitely speaking to the early, young adept. Someone who reads the Ra material and sees this part, oh wow, I can charge a ring with intent and use it to cast spells and bring higher energies into this plane? It is to this entity that Ra is cautioning the removal of the adornment. Otherwise, an eager young adept will decide to "run before it can walk" - and, while very convicted in their beliefs, try to keep their "higher personality hat" upon them even after using the will as a temporary invocation during the learning process of magical acts. They decide they want to start casting spells and blessing everyone and trying to pull that energy down all the time. However, a young adept most likely has a very poor understanding of true polarity, so when they are trying to do what they believe is good, they may actually be accessing much lower vibrations than the Higher self can effectively work with. So, if an adept is willing enough, another entity will happily step in and continue to affirm the righteousness of the entity that believes it is working from its higher self at all times. In fact, this is exactly why Ra specifically says that the deliberate opening of these energies is necessary, a careful opening of the door, to lead to a slow increase to the amount of the Higher self energy that a person can handle through their earth suit, so that it becomes more "commonplace, as it should be".

    As another extreme example, we take a look at Carla. Her "gesture", for the Ra working, arguably, was her robe. The other accouterments were also symbols, but imagine if Carla just decided to not take her robe off after a working. We know from her previous experiences that her trusting, service-to-others nature made her susceptible to falling into a trance at times where they were not invoking the Ra contact, and if she was off-guard another entity could have masqueraded as Ra long enough to lead her out of her body to a less-than-safe place. I think this is an extreme example, but a good example of why when associating the magical personality with a gesture/article of clothing, it is wise to only use it during the purest of workings. As one polarizes further and becomes more "pure" in their mind and being, the more the veil thins, and the more that the higher self is able to come through with integrity.
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    02-18-2016, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 02-18-2016, 03:08 PM by Rolci.)
    (02-18-2016, 10:50 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:
    Quote:Q'uo: You have been a magician each time that you have faced a situation in life and made a conscious choice to respond to catalyst that is offered you in a way which was not automatic in your responsive system. When you have chosen a higher path, when you have chosen a soft word instead of a harsh one, a kind action instead of a rude one, or an honest if hard answer instead of a hypocritical though easy one, you have acted in a magical way, choosing to lift your consciousness to a higher path.

    That hit the spot!


    Quote:94.20 Questioner: The magical shape is on the right edge of the card indicating to me that the spiritual significance is on the right edge of the card, indicating to me that the spiritual experience would be the right-hand path. Could Ra comment on that?

    Ra: I am Ra. Yes. The figure is expressing the nature of experience by having its attention caught by what may be termed the left-hand catalyst. Meanwhile, the power, the magic, is available upon the right-hand path.

    The nature of experience is such that the attention shall be constantly given varieties of experience. Those that are presumed to be negative, or interpreted as negative, may seem in abundance. It is a great challenge to take catalyst and devise the magical, positive experience. That which is magical in the negative experience is much longer coming, shall we say, in the third density.

    I have no idea what any of that means.

    There is still some veiling in the densities after ours. And when one dies, they go to 3rd density time/space, which definitely is still veiled but less so than space/time.

    Have you read Michael Newton's books about inbetween lives? They might answer some questions about the whys of people choosing to come back, how guides guard our past/future incarnational information, etc.

    Excellent, thank you! It was all useful, for some reason I thought of the veil as uniquely 3D space-time phenomenon. I think I recalled that 4D onwards choose to be invisible to 3D, and somehow mixed that visibility up with the veil. I find the existence of some veil in time-space and "upper" densities fascinating, I feel it more and more that it's time to re-read the Ra material, I've lost too much in the last 8 years or so and have read too much similar but different since. Time for a refreshment course!

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    02-21-2016, 10:57 AM (This post was last modified: 02-21-2016, 10:58 AM by Rolci.)
    I just noticed that that quote you gave that was new to me was not part of the Ra material but was a Quo quote. I can't really equate the two sources as the same degree of truth (or whatever you want to call that quality) even though I am aware of the relation of the principle to the SMC. I always thought that the lack of the trance state somehow diminished the truth-content somewhat. I somehow can't come to terms with that quote, it feels to me it says you are supposed to betray yourself. It seems to be in opposition with when you have a catalyst which then does its job, resulting in a change in attitude that is the manifestation of a change inside that cannot be faked, that is genuine.

    And the quote says that the magic is to change your act, not coming from deep inside that is an integrated part of who you are (because of past catalyst) but simply acting differently for no reason, even though you feel differently inside. It reminds me of those that take offense inside but force a smile, like those poor souls working in customer service that must smile all the time, whether they are having a good day or a bad one. I have ALWAYS thought of that as a form of lie in the face of another and detested such fake, dishonest, pretentious behaviour. I have worked in customer service for years but I never faked a smile once, I always felt that being yourself is an important aspect of integrity, I mean who are you supposed to be kidding anyway?

    Am I alone with these thoughts? Am I misunderstanding what Quo says? Is constantly acting in opposition to how you feel a form of magic, is that how you contact the higher self?

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    02-21-2016, 11:15 AM
    I think the quote speaks more of consciously stepping out of unconscious programmation.

    It has a weird way of saying what it means to do that.

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    02-21-2016, 11:22 AM (This post was last modified: 02-21-2016, 11:23 AM by Minyatur.)
    Let's say we got Billy who's a Virgo and always gets upset by a certain kind of behavior.

    Billy one day reads his birth chart and sees that being upset about that is part of his veil programmation. A week afterwards Billy face the same situation that always had upset him and starts to be upset. Yet, because of his previous readings, Billy realizes he's just being a Virgo like usual and decides to view things differently than he always did and not be a Virgo for once.

    Billy has stepped out of his unconscious programming and became the magician.
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    02-21-2016, 01:14 PM (This post was last modified: 02-21-2016, 01:17 PM by Jade.)
    I find that Q'uo transcript, in particular, especially sound, because it was done at the end of a weekend archetype retreat. I think the harmony of the channeling group and its dedication to learning more about the magical personality and the archetypes helped produce a very sound Q'uo transcript.

    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0212.aspx

    I understand your point about Q'uo but the truth is that Q'uo is more about being inspirational than giving specific steps/advice. I've found very little that I take problem with, with Q'uo, personally. I can see if people have a real problem with Christianity that Q'uo would trigger them sometimes, but I don't have that problem. I also think if we were to only accept that Ra's trance channeling is a valid form of channeling, it would basically negate the idea of channeling all together, because Ra is the only channeling like it. There are a lot of channels, most of them mostly conscious or light trance, and of course many of them are of mixed orientation. Q'uo was always channeled in a group, and especially when it was Carla AND Jim leading the groups their combined experience with the process, and Carla's purity, helped keep the tuning high. There are some Q'uo sessions where they are "teaching" sessions for channeling where they do a round-robin and multiple people channel, I can see how those can feel a bit off too. But on the whole, I find Q'uo to be a valuable resource, at least when it comes to playing some of those deep threnodies that need to be plucked.

    What Q'uo is describing in that quote is using an act of will. We can either act unconsciously (in a potentially negative or unpolarized manner), or we can use our will when we recognize such a situation and instead act in a "positive, magical" way. Again, it's about transmutation. We can feed unconsciously into the cesspool of negativity or we can instead decide to turn our focus and facet the light in the direction that its most needed.

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    02-21-2016, 03:04 PM
    What do you think of Bashar's channeling Jade?

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    02-21-2016, 04:04 PM
    I used to really enjoy reading Bashar, and have learned a lot of valuable lessons from him, but now it's much, much more difficult to find any transcripts online. I like to read more than watch videos, so that presents a small problem for me. I think what and how he teaches is quite valuable. I am disheartened by Darryl's recent push to remove any free access to his channeling transcripts online, and I haven't read anything recent enough of Bashar to know if Darryl's intense desire for material control has affected the output. (I had a huge archive of channelings from the 80s/90s of his that I read through, all gone now) I doubt it has, though, because with Bashar I think Darryl has been doing it for so long that he hardly "channels" anymore, that Bashar is just a part of him. He's answered the same questions so many times that he doesn't have to necessarily "tune in" to Bashar's entity to answer, all of the knowledge is already accessible to him. So Bashar, as a teaching entity, has helped me understand a lot of things. Darryl as a channeler worries me a little at present.

    I know that's convoluted but I do have slightly mixed feelings about Bashar. On the whole I'd say my feelings are positive.
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    02-21-2016, 05:32 PM
    You know, after making that post I got curious and went hunting. I'm afraid to say I may be wrong and the Daryl/Bashar duo may have officially gone down the drain.

    Specifically, from the Seth forums:

    http://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=158.0

    $180 for a crystal to contact the Pleiades? I guess at less than a dollar a lightyear that's a steal... And at the top of his store, many of his sessions are digitized and monetized, for as much as $25 for an mp3.

    Sad

    Maybe it's because Bashar's teachings do often focus on finding joy within the self? This can be used either way. With Bashar's distinct lack of morality, I guess it was necessary after a certain period of time, for the accumulated spiritual power of Daryl to be forced to swing in one direction or another. I would be curious to hear the 'tone' of his current channelings but I'm not going to pay anything for them.

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    02-21-2016, 06:52 PM
    You made a distinction between a sleeping person acting unconsciously based on programming and another using acts of will to override. While I understand that, I never actually meant my question like that. I was starting from the assumption that one is already conscious of self and all its actions, as in "Billy knows exactly what upsets him, and when he next time faces the catalyst, he knows exactly what that will make him feel and act like, and he doesn't see why he shouldn't accept himself as he knows all is well and perfect, and doesn't see a reason why he should pretend he doesn't feel the way he feels, and CHOOSES to act as normal (which may SEEM to the external observer as unconscious programming), while he COULD choose to act different and be (or rather ACT) nice, leaving him with the feeling that he wasn't truthful to himself as well as to the other person." Also that catalyst that he provides the other person by acting out the upsetness sure has a purpose. If that catalyst would not be appropriate for that person, s/he wouldn't even be in that situation, or would not "receive" the catalyst as such, which Billy could no way help but to VERY soon notice, which usually makes, funnily enough, one not act the same way again. If I can't push her buttons with this, why waste my time next time around? I think the mirroring effect is vastly useful in teaching, while an ungegnuine act does... I forget what it does. Could create world peace at last I guess, but I personally wouldn't enjoy living in a fake smile world devoid of useful catalyst and mirrors. Maybe something's wrong with me?

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